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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 9:16:43 GMT
Pretty simple...........these games were FREE on TV3 Oh...the pedant in me would point out we couldn't get TV3 in Annascaul on an aerial at the time. So are you going to apologise to those that you referred to as a "pain in the hole".
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 9:20:20 GMT
I read today that Cody will get away without sanction. The rationale is that there was no mention of it in the refs report.
The conclusion therefore is that the CCCC wont sanction anyone for anything unless its reported in the refs report.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 11, 2017 9:22:55 GMT
Go to the games that you want to watch- sometimes it can be that simple Not everyone can go to matches either due to old age, infirmity or they simply cant afford to. A lot of elderly are surviving on very small income. A lot of families cant afford to go. The wheel turns quickly. The GAA should be more thoughtful about a constituency that was very loyal to it throughout their lives. Look Mick- I agree with you on some levels and its unfofrtunate for some people but that demographic of people has never been able to attend matches. There is no loss to them
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 9:30:02 GMT
I read today that Cody will get away without sanction. The rationale is that there was no mention of it in the refs report.
The conclusion therefore is that the CCCC wont sanction anyone for anything unless its reported in the refs report.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 9:35:34 GMT
Not everyone can go to matches either due to old age, infirmity or they simply cant afford to. A lot of elderly are surviving on very small income. A lot of families cant afford to go. The wheel turns quickly. The GAA should be more thoughtful about a constituency that was very loyal to it throughout their lives. Look Mick- I agree with you on some levels and its unfofrtunate for some people but that demographic of people has never been able to attend matches. There is no loss to them Thats an extraordinary comment. I hope things continue to work out for you and you never fall on hard times or grow old surviving on a small pension
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 11, 2017 9:51:56 GMT
Look Mick- I agree with you on some levels and its unfofrtunate for some people but that demographic of people has never been able to attend matches. There is no loss to them Thats an extraordinary comment. I hope things continue to work out for you and you never fall on hard times or grow old I'd imagine all the false hoping that you promise will not hold back time Mick. Also on things staying well for me- I fall into the category of people who dont have Sky Sports with finance being the main reason- yet I somehow make it through the week thankfully. Still on the topic - the majority of this just feels like people wanting a whinge for the sake of it- I dont understand what right people think they have to watch Kilkenny v Waterford from their couch and the using of old people as some kind of quasi human shield in the debate is laughable- its the new "wont someone please think of the children". An 85 year old lad living in Kerry didnt get the chance to watch most hurling qualifiers on RTE prior to the Sky deal and now he still doesnt- they have not been disenfranchised by the deal.
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 11, 2017 9:57:14 GMT
Thats an extraordinary comment. I hope things continue to work out for you and you never fall on hard times or grow old I'd imagine all the false hoping that you promise will not hold back time Mick. Also on things staying well for me- I fall into the category of people who dont have Sky Sports with finance being the main reason- yet I somehow make it through the week thankfully. Still on the topic - the majority of this just feels like people wanting a whinge for the sake of it- I dont understand what right people think they have to watch Kilkenny v Waterford from their couch and the using of old people as some kind of quasi human shield in the debate is laughable- its the new "wont someone please think of the children". An 85 year old lad living in Kerry didnt get the chance to watch most hurling qualifiers on RTE prior to the Sky deal and now he still doesnt- they have not been disenfranchised by the deal. Just a simple question Kerrybhoy06 Who do you think owns the gaa?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 11, 2017 9:59:42 GMT
I'd imagine all the false hoping that you promise will not hold back time Mick. Also on things staying well for me- I fall into the category of people who dont have Sky Sports with finance being the main reason- yet I somehow make it through the week thankfully. Still on the topic - the majority of this just feels like people wanting a whinge for the sake of it- I dont understand what right people think they have to watch Kilkenny v Waterford from their couch and the using of old people as some kind of quasi human shield in the debate is laughable- its the new "wont someone please think of the children". An 85 year old lad living in Kerry didnt get the chance to watch most hurling qualifiers on RTE prior to the Sky deal and now he still doesnt- they have not been disenfranchised by the deal. Just a simple question Kerrybhoy06 Who do you think owns the gaa? Dont attempt to patronise me with your simplistic nonsense. So you think all games should be free to air?
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 10:01:31 GMT
On the point.... "its unfofrtunate for some people but that demographic of people has never been able to attend matches. There is no loss to them".
Reflect on that!!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 11, 2017 10:03:58 GMT
On the point.... "its unfofrtunate for some people but that demographic of people has never been able to attend matches. There is no loss to them". Reflect on that!! I mean old or infirm people that you were referring to have not ever been in the position to go to matches.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 10:31:07 GMT
Ah look...just leave it
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Post by mandad on Jul 11, 2017 10:47:04 GMT
Mickmack.
Tomás Quinn, Commercial & Marketing Manager at Dublin GAA. Even more ironic that he would engage in a forensic examination of an incident involving a mayo player.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 10:51:09 GMT
Mickmack. Tomás Quinn, Commercial & Marketing Manager at Dublin GAA. Even more ironic that he would engage in a forensic examination of an incident involving a mayo player. And Dessie the TSG anchorman and the cheer leader on Dubs mobile in the victory parade around the city.
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Post by veteran on Jul 11, 2017 10:51:23 GMT
I didn't see the Sunday Game last Sunday night, it is no longer compulsive viewing for me. According to posts here Michael Duignan lacerated the GAA about the Sky deal etc. Conceivably , he used the simplistic phrase " all about the money" etc.
It would appear that the only sporting organisation that is not entitled to accumulate money is the GAA. The FAI the IRFU can use whatever means they wish to make money , including non terrestial TV deals, but they get a free pass on the issue even though they ignore " the old man on top of the mountain who cannot get to the pub". I do not have Sky. I have been a lifelong rugby aficionado but now I cannot see the European cup, the Lions tour etc. As my grand daughter might advise , I build a bridge and get over it. I can live without these games and do not feel a sense of entitlement. In any case, I see a lot more rugby on RTE now than I did years ago, in spite of Sky deals etc.
All about the money? The GAA publish their accounts annually, detailing income and expenditure, outlining where monies fo. A significant amount percolates down to a club near you. I haven't seen any evidence of malfeasance . If anybody on here has evidence to the contrary then they have a duty to act the whistleblower.
People like Michael Dugnan and Comical Joe are very strident on this Sky issue. It is very easy for them to smugly appear on RTÉ and castigate the Sky deal and masquerade as the friend of the poor man on the mountain who cannot get to the pub. I wonder are they as altruistically motivated as they would like us to believe . Could their passionate stance have anything to do with the fat cheques they receive from RTE. Maybe they are right after all that it is all about the money! God spare us from blunders.
Memo to Michael and Comical Joe: perhaps you should contact the Healy-Raes. They are very anxious to get the man from the top of the mountain to the pub. Michael , if that liaison comes to nought here is a bit of advice. Like any dutiful son would you not hang about and take your dad to the local hostelry to see the Sky matches. Of course I see now that is a non runner. You are too busy being away from home collecting the booty from RTE. One has to look after number one.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 11, 2017 10:54:40 GMT
Veteran just to add to your post- it was pointed out from Duignans tweets about the Lions game- that he must have Sky. Surely he could just invite his old man over or let him use his Sky Go account
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 11, 2017 10:59:08 GMT
Mickmack. Tomás Quinn, Commercial & Marketing Manager at Dublin GAA. Even more ironic that he would engage in a forensic examination of an incident involving a mayo player. It does beg the question was it a political move by TSG to open the door to communication with Dublin at Co Board level so as to avoid another long term standoff like they have with Tyrone, who don't participate in MOM presentations, give interviews etc. With a sizable percentage of the population following Dublin, they can't afford to lose Dublin viewers.
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Post by delorean on Jul 11, 2017 11:04:39 GMT
Seems a black or white issue for most people... I'm more of a grey area man myself:
Pros/Arguments for the Sky deal:
- Reaches out to a huge Irish audience in the U.K., who wouldn't have had such convenient access to live GAA games in the past. Many of these people would be elderly also and very possibly involved in the GAA before emigrating.
- There have never been more matches televised, Sky subscription or not. For the majority of Mr. Duignan Senior's life he would have only had access to a couple of televised matches a year. Over the weekend, he had access to three televised matches in two days, plus a decent highlights programme for all of the others.
- There are countless matches not televised anyway, if we're not entitled to see all of those free to air, why are we entitled to see ones which Sky have secured the rights for? Take Cavan v Tipperary on Saturday for example, a relatively attractive fixture that I'm sure many an elderly GAA man from South Tipp would have loved to have seen but couldn't. Is this also disgraceful? Or is it only disgraceful when Sky have the game?
- They've put some effort into providing a quality production and are unlikely to rest on their laurels and allow the whole thing to go stale like RTÉ have. They focus on the action, not juvenile point scoring.
- They paid the most money to secure the rights, in theory the GAA as a whole should benefit from this... in theory!
- Rachel Wyse
Cons/Arguments against the Sky deal:
- The biggest one - Sky are showing some matches which would have previously been shown free to air by TV3. It's a bullet proof argument and understandably the biggest issue for most people who are anti the deal.
- The GAA are selling their soul to the highest bigger at the expense of their dearest members/supporters.
- Not exclusively a Sky issue but maybe there are actually too many televised games now. The Clare v Tipp hurling quarter final is being played at 3pm Saturday week, hardly ideal for many a supporter who wants to attend or even see the match. Presumably the reason for this time slot is because of the two qualifiers exclusive to Sky that evening.
On balance...
The GAA are getting a lot of stick over this and Sky's viewing figures in the ROI seem very low. I have no idea what their GAA viewing figures are like in the U.K., but presumably this is what makes it worth their while.
A logical compromise I think, if Sky were agreeable, would be for the Sky games to be shown free to air also in the ROI, same as the All Ireland semi finals and finals. It would would take the heat off the GAA and wouldn't interfere too heavily with Sky's profits by the looks of it. Maybe they could secure the rights at a reduced cost as a compromise, or perhaps compensated by TV3 in some way, free advertising or whatever.
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Post by pony on Jul 11, 2017 11:06:40 GMT
The point here is, if the GAA were making more money from the Sky deal, then fine you'd say fair enough, but seemingly they are not, compared to when TV3 had the rights. So what exactly is the point of it?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 11, 2017 11:17:19 GMT
Rugby and soccer are both fully professional sports are not relevant to the Sky Gaa debate. Sky doesn't need exclusive rights in Ireland to bring Gaelic games around the globe.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 11, 2017 11:35:30 GMT
The point here is, if the GAA were making more money from the Sky deal, then fine you'd say fair enough, but seemingly they are not, compared to when TV3 had the rights. So what exactly is the point of it? What do you theorise is the reason? I'm sure they are making more money from it
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Post by peanuts on Jul 11, 2017 12:44:11 GMT
Rugby and soccer are both fully professional sports are not relevant to the Sky Gaa debate. I think this point is only relevant if you're talking about the players not getting paid. I don't see how it makes a difference to the supporters of the game.
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Post by mandad on Jul 11, 2017 13:03:27 GMT
The logical extension of the argument is that no games should be on Sky but should be available Free to Air nevertheless. There are more games now on TV than ever before and RTE has their pick of all the big ones. But they can’t cover every cock-fight - with the license fee covering the huge cost.
Camogie player, Ann Marie Hayes was a panelist on TSG, talking about her sports - games that were not shown live either. Now there are lots of 80 + year old women the up and down the country etc. We cannot have blanket coverage of every game – in two different codes. Where do we draw the line? Maybe some of these armchair supporters who are so passionate and knowledgeable would consider getting up of their backsides and supporting their local club for a change.
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Post by Fado on Jul 11, 2017 13:14:26 GMT
Thousands of people are very happy to be able to watch GAA on Sky at home and bars in the UK, this includes a huge number of players and club members. First time viewer numbers are growing all the time, hurling being especially popular. Also, bringing the game to a new audience is very important.
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Post by pony on Jul 11, 2017 13:56:42 GMT
The point here is, if the GAA were making more money from the Sky deal, then fine you'd say fair enough, but seemingly they are not, compared to when TV3 had the rights. So what exactly is the point of it? What do you theorise is the reason? I'm sure they are making more money from it I don't know, that's why I asked..........to me there seems to be very little to gain from it, compared to when TV3 had the rights, my point is, moving from TV3 to Sky made no sense! As has been reported, there was no difference in their bids. And, even though it might be of better quality compared to RTE, they are not getting the viewers
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Post by pony on Jul 11, 2017 13:58:29 GMT
Thousands of people are very happy to be able to watch GAA on Sky at home and bars in the UK, this includes a huge number of players and club members. First time viewer numbers are growing all the time, hurling being especially popular. Also, bringing the game to a new audience is very important. Correct me if I'm wrong, but viewers in the UK had access already, through premier sports? And they are now also paying more to watch GAA?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 11, 2017 14:16:02 GMT
The logical extension of the argument is that no games should be on Sky but should be available Free to Air nevertheless. There are more games now on TV than ever before and RTE has their pick of all the big ones. But they can’t cover every cock-fight - with the license fee covering the huge cost. Camogie player, Ann Marie Hayes was a panelist on TSG, talking about her sports - games that were not shown live either. Now there are lots of 80 + year old women the up and down the country etc. We cannot have blanket coverage of every game – in two different codes. Where do we draw the line? Maybe some of these armchair supporters who are so passionate and knowledgeable would consider getting up of their backsides and supporting their local club for a change. RTE don't have the pick of at least two of the football quarter finals. So they don't get all the big games. I still contend SKY, judging by their audience figures, don't require exclusive coverage of any of the big GAA games. They share the semi finals and finals with RTE already. Really, would the demand be there for blanket coverage of ladies football and camogie?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 11, 2017 14:19:16 GMT
Rugby and soccer are both fully professional sports are not relevant to the Sky Gaa debate. I think this point is only relevant if you're talking about the players not getting paid. I don't see how it makes a difference to the supporters of the game. Pay per view is a big driver of professional sport. Supporters of these sports buy into this arrangement through their subscriptions to Sky.
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Post by Jo90 on Jul 11, 2017 14:57:00 GMT
Lots of people getting upset on behalf of the poor OAPs who can't afford Sky Sports. For many of these OAPs the games weren't even live on radio when they were young, just a report from Sean O Ceallachain. Games weren't televised until the mid 60s and then it was just the All Ireland semis and finals. Provincial finals didn't became televised until the 90s. So for most people they were two choices, listen to the game on the radio or if you want to see it, go to the match.
But now people's sense of entitlement has really escalated that people are giving out that a 2nd round hurling qualifier isn't live on RTE and going to the pub or somebody they know with a SS subscription is a huge ordeal.
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Post by kot on Jul 11, 2017 15:00:11 GMT
Lots of people getting upset on behalf of the poor OAPs who can't afford Sky Sports. For many of these OAPs the games weren't even live on radio when they were young, just a report from Sean O Ceallachain. Games weren't televised until the mid 60s and then it was just the All Ireland semis and finals. Provincial finals didn't became televised until the 90s. So for most people they were two choices, listen to the game on the radio or if you want to see it, go to the match. But now people's sense of entitlement has really escalated that people are giving out that a 2nd round hurling qualifier isn't live on RTE and going to the pub or somebody they know with a SS subscription is a huge ordeal. I think it was funny how it was pointed out how Duignan was tweeting about the Lions series. Could he have not brought his dad down to his own place rather than the pub so he could watch the hurling.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 11, 2017 18:20:15 GMT
I didn't see the Sunday Game last Sunday night, it is no longer compulsive viewing for me. According to posts here Michael Duignan lacerated the GAA about the Sky deal etc. Conceivably , he used the simplistic phrase " all about the money" etc. It would appear that the only sporting organisation that is not entitled to accumulate money is the GAA. The FAI the IRFU can use whatever means they wish to make money , including non terrestial TV deals, but they get a free pass on the issue even though they ignore " the old man on top of the mountain who cannot get to the pub". I do not have Sky. I have been a lifelong rugby aficionado but now I cannot see the European cup, the Lions tour etc. As my grand daughter might advise , I build a bridge and get over it. I can live without these games and do not feel a sense of entitlement. In any case, I see a lot more rugby on RTE now than I did years ago, in spite of Sky deals etc. All about the money? The GAA publish their accounts annually, detailing income and expenditure, outlining where monies fo. A significant amount percolates down to a club near you. I haven't seen any evidence of malfeasance . If anybody on here has evidence to the contrary then they have a duty to act the whistleblower. People like Michael Dugnan and Comical Joe are very strident on this Sky issue. It is very easy for them to smugly appear on RTÉ and castigate the Sky deal and masquerade as the friend of the poor man on the mountain who cannot get to the pub. I wonder are they as altruistically motivated as they would like us to believe . Could their passionate stance have anything to do with the fat cheques they receive from RTE. Maybe they are right after all that it is all about the money! God spare us from blunders. Memo to Michael and Comical Joe: perhaps you should contact the Healy-Raes. They are very anxious to get the man from the top of the mountain to the pub. Michael , if that liaison comes to nought here is a bit of advice. Like any dutiful son would you not hang about and take your dad to the local hostelry to see the Sky matches. Of course I see now that is a non runner. You are too busy being away from home collecting the booty from RTE. One has to look after number one. kerrygaa.proboards.com/post/193153/threadVeteran, I had you down as a "no surrender" man since last August when you railed against Sky. I remember your objection clearly. Obviously you have changed your mind on it. Embracing change is a good thing. However, on this issue I cant myself changing my mind till the players go professional and that surely will come the more and more we see money dominate the GAA.
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