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Post by mossie on May 7, 2017 10:02:33 GMT
St Brendans could have a nice team this year actually
The like of David O'Callaghan, Ivan Parker, the Barrys, Brandon Barrett, Kevin Shanahan, Paudie Carroll, Stefan Okenbar have all worn county jersies in recent times. Throw in the Mitchels lads on top of that and John Egan and you have nice team
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 7, 2017 14:06:20 GMT
Doing away with divisional sides would not be a good idea in my opinion. They have been one of the rocks upon which Kerry football has been built. I agree that we should never contemplate doing away with the divisional sides but some form of sanction/negative impact needs to be in place as last night was a farce. Was that match not a prelimary round? They lost so now they are not in the championship. I don't get the big deal. There are always issues with one or more divisional sides.
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Post by hurlingman on May 7, 2017 14:57:19 GMT
I agree that we should never contemplate doing away with the divisional sides but some form of sanction/negative impact needs to be in place as last night was a farce. Was that match not a prelimary round? They lost so now they are not in the championship. I don't get the big deal. There are always issues with one or more divisional sides. There are no doubt but at the moment SR are a good example. St. Brendans are simpler in that they have made very little impact in the championship but are guaranteed a place every year, that saide they would have a decent team if they can get it together. As i said there's a similar issue in the hurling championship
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Post by lár na páirce on May 7, 2017 15:57:34 GMT
Simple Solution One North Kerry team and Put Kenmare District into East Kerry
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Post by shaggy04 on May 7, 2017 15:59:36 GMT
I doubt any club would pass up the chance to go senior, even if it is for just one year, what's the worst that can happen, they get relegated back to intermediate again, as it turned out, kenmare won their first game and are senior again next year, would kenmare beat Shannon rangers?.what happens if templenoe win intermediate this year, they go senior because they've earned it,are they good enough to compete, yes, are they good enough to win it,maybe not, are they better then Shannon rangers? jez if Templenoe were to end the intermediate, Kenmare district would be left with Kilgarvan, Tousist and I think that would be it? ! A distinct possibilty A possibility, yes,would kilgarvan/tousist enter a team in the senior championship, or would they combine with east kerry, giving a 16 team senior championship
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 7, 2017 16:28:44 GMT
I agree that we should never contemplate doing away with the divisional sides but some form of sanction/negative impact needs to be in place as last night was a farce. Was that match not a prelimary round? They lost so now they are not in the championship. I don't get the big deal. There are always issues with one or more divisional sides. I know it was but I can understand how senior clubs who actually try are frustrated with the situation where SR can rock up, put on the performance of a junior b team and still have free passage into the championship next year. I'd put sanctions on the individual clubs that make up the division- make them all have to play their championship games away from home next season
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Post by onlykerry on May 7, 2017 16:31:05 GMT
Too many clubs in the East Kerry division to begin with, particularly at minor and u21 grades.
Difficult balance between creating super strong divisions and having divisions strong enough for them to think it worth putting in effort in having a competitive divisional side.
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Post by lár na páirce on May 7, 2017 17:05:38 GMT
Too many clubs in the East Kerry division to begin with, particularly at minor and u21 grades. Difficult balance between creating super strong divisions and having divisions strong enough for them to think it worth putting in effort in having a competitive divisional side. Move one or two east kerry clubs to mid kerry or St.Kierans
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Post by 6 in a row on May 8, 2017 10:46:34 GMT
Who is the management team for Mid Kerry this year?
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Post by buck02 on May 8, 2017 11:00:59 GMT
Who is the management team for Mid Kerry this year? Mid Kerry remember have Laune Rangers and Milltown-Castlemaine with them this year. While the Crokes game will probably be too early for them, if they get over the first game in the losers round they could be a dark horse later in the year.
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Post by Leathama on May 8, 2017 11:02:49 GMT
Saturday:
Austin Stacks vs St Kierans - Austin Stacks Kenmare District v Dingle - Dingle St Brendan's vs Kilcummin - St Brendan's
Sunday:
Killarney Legion v Kenmare Shamrocks - Kenmare Shamrocks West Kerry v Feale Rangers - West Kerry East Kerry v Rathmore - East Kerry Kerins O’Rahillys v South Kerry - South Kerry Dr Crokes v Mid Kerry - Dr Crokes
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Post by 6 in a row on May 8, 2017 11:12:25 GMT
Who is the management team for Mid Kerry this year? Mid Kerry remember have Laune Rangers and Milltown-Castlemaine with them this year. While the Crokes game will probably be too early for them, if they get over the first game in the losers round they could be a dark horse later in the year. Any idea of the management team?
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Post by keane on May 8, 2017 11:13:23 GMT
Would like to think Strand Road have the quality to cause SK problems but the form has been so poor it's hard to see it.
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Post by Premier on May 8, 2017 11:20:26 GMT
Too many clubs in the East Kerry division to begin with, particularly at minor and u21 grades. Difficult balance between creating super strong divisions and having divisions strong enough for them to think it worth putting in effort in having a competitive divisional side. Move one or two east kerry clubs to mid kerry or St.Kierans Asides from maybe Listry moving to mid Kerry is there any other team that could move?
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Post by hugh20 on May 8, 2017 12:09:26 GMT
I can understand people's frustration with the level of commitment and performance of Shannon Rangers the last night, it was terrible to say the least. However, there is plenty of talent there to compete and joining up FR and SR should not have to be an option. Both sides have quality.
Shannon Rangers have the bones of 20-30 Kerry minors of the past 10 years to choose from who are still playing so it is clearly a situation of them applying themselves and showing a big of desire and determination to want to play in the biggest competition in the county.
Feale Rangers also have players of similar quality.
How can you deprive a player from playing against other inter county players on a big stage and prove themselves. Let's be realistic, County Championship always unearths a few unexpected performers who go on to do well the green and gold for senior, junior and u21 sides. Is Eamon Fitzmaurice or one of his selectors going to go a junior or novice game to watch a game containing potential players who could make their panel?? I doubt it. If a particular player is not good enough to make the grade at minor or u21 level or perhaps was injured then this player would effectively be on no shop window. Divisional sides are key to a good competitive championship, the problem is the level of commitment and desire from the individual players.
Shannon Rangers could potentially have a very strong panel:
Darragh O Shea/Sean Dee, Jason Foley, Shane Enright, Colin O Mahoney, Stephen Lonergan, Paul Collins, Tommy Kennelly, Paud Costello,Jeremy King, Danny Wrenn, Michael Foley, Jack Gogarty, Jack Foley, Ambrose Lanigan, Martin Mahoney, Brian Seanchain, Barry Grady, Kieran Mulvihill, Paul Kennelly, Mikey Boyle, Padraig Boyle, Jack Goulding, Cormace Linnane, Eddie Mangan and Tom Joy.
Obviously missing some here and some of these lads might not be playing/injured but the majority of these lads did not play the last night.
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Post by onlykerry on May 8, 2017 12:39:59 GMT
There is also the important factor of too many games at too many levels for a lot of these lads, particulatly with the Munster and National competitions for Junior and Intermediate clubs being a huge club level rallying cry.
Divisional sides traditionally take a few rounds to get into their stride and perhaps a Divisional competition with just the top four being admitted to the County Championship and meeting the top four club sides in an 8 team county campionship might focus minds of clubs and divisions alike.
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Post by Mickmack on May 8, 2017 13:07:55 GMT
Divisional sides traditionally take a few rounds to get into their stride and perhaps a Divisional competition with just the top four being admitted to the County Championship and meeting the top four club sides in an 8 team county campionship might focus minds of clubs and divisions alike. There is a lot to be said for divisional teams having their own championship ...as the clubs have. The option of some sort of grand final between the two winners could be considered
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on May 8, 2017 13:35:09 GMT
I can understand people's frustration with the level of commitment and performance of Shannon Rangers the last night, it was terrible to say the least. However, there is plenty of talent there to compete and joining up FR and SR should not have to be an option. Both sides have quality. Shannon Rangers have the bones of 20-30 Kerry minors of the past 10 years to choose from who are still playing so it is clearly a situation of them applying themselves and showing a big of desire and determination to want to play in the biggest competition in the county. Feale Rangers also have players of similar quality. How can you deprive a player from playing against other inter county players on a big stage and prove themselves. Let's be realistic, County Championship always unearths a few unexpected performers who go on to do well the green and gold for senior, junior and u21 sides. Is Eamon Fitzmaurice or one of his selectors going to go a junior or novice game to watch a game containing potential players who could make their panel?? I doubt it. If a particular player is not good enough to make the grade at minor or u21 level or perhaps was injured then this player would effectively be on no shop window. Divisional sides are key to a good competitive championship, the problem is the level of commitment and desire from the individual players. Shannon Rangers could potentially have a very strong panel: Darragh O Shea/Sean Dee, Jason Foley, Shane Enright, Colin O Mahoney, Stephen Lonergan, Paul Collins, Tommy Kennelly, Paud Costello,Jeremy King, Danny Wrenn, Michael Foley, Jack Gogarty, Jack Foley, Ambrose Lanigan, Martin Mahoney, Brian Seanchain, Barry Grady, Kieran Mulvihill, Paul Kennelly, Mikey Boyle, Padraig Boyle, Jack Goulding, Cormace Linnane, Eddie Mangan and Tom Joy. Obviously missing some here and some of these lads might not be playing/injured but the majority of these lads did not play the last night. The issue isnt that the players dont exist- it's that they dont seem to bother. A sanction on the individual clubs that make up the division would fix this fairly quickly- as I said before make them have to play all their individual championship games away from home the following season.
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Post by keane on May 8, 2017 13:51:26 GMT
I think most people don't have any particular issue with divisional teams it just sticks in the craw that club teams putting in big effort can be booted when the likes of SR don't bother their bollocks and can turn up to get tanked every year without any fear of being similarly booted.
Even having the worst divisional team kicked out for a year and replacing the next worst the following year would seem more fair.
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Post by onlykerry on May 8, 2017 14:19:05 GMT
I think most people don't have any particular issue with divisional teams it just sticks in the craw that club teams putting in big effort can be booted when the likes of SR don't bother their bollocks and can turn up to get tanked every year without any fear of being similarly booted. Even having the worst divisional team kicked out for a year and replacing the next worst the following year would seem more fair. I agree with what you say but the thinking seems to be that every player in the county has the possibility of playing in the county championship each year - either with their club or a divisional side. Unless this concept is abandoned the inequality you mention cannot be dealt with as if a divisional side is omitted then the players in the clubs (non senior clubs) making up the divisional side have no access to the senior co championship in that year. It is a bit like the AI - every county regardless of the effort they put in is guaranteed two championship games each year. The basic question comes down to - is it a given right or an earned right to play in the big championship (whether it be county or nationally).
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Post by keane on May 8, 2017 15:00:32 GMT
I agree with what you say but the thinking seems to be that every player in the county has the possibility of playing in the county championship each year - either with their club or a divisional side. Unless this concept is abandoned the inequality you mention cannot be dealt with as if a divisional side is omitted then the players in the clubs (non senior clubs) making up the divisional side have no access to the senior co championship in that year. It is a bit like the AI - every county regardless of the effort they put in is guaranteed two championship games each year. The basic question comes down to - is it a given right or an earned right to play in the big championship (whether it be county or nationally). It's a fair point you make about the right to play in the Championship - I guess you will have an inequality either way (either unfair-ish on clubs or unfair-ish on the players from one particular divisional team). If you felt that having a possible punishment for pathetic performances would encourage the divisions in question to get their act together then missing out a year here and there would probably be to everyone's benefit. Let's be honest, if the likes of SR were putting in a decent effort we probably wouldn't be having this conversation - I sincerely doubt their players got anything positive out of their 'campaign' this year.
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Post by mushroom on May 8, 2017 19:55:20 GMT
Whats wrong with any club team that wishes to play on their own if they so wish ?.
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Post by kerrygold on May 8, 2017 20:31:28 GMT
The district teams are an integral part of the success of Kerry football. Every player from every club in the county can aspire to play county senior championship every year. That is blue chip in my book. What other counties have district teams, Cork aside?
The Grand final is probably the best idea with winner taking all. Two different championships, one for the senior club teams and one for the district teams, two winners meeting in the Grand final.
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Post by goonised on May 8, 2017 20:34:20 GMT
No club team bar gaeltach or the marys good enough oupside of whats there at moment
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Post by kickitlong on May 8, 2017 20:51:45 GMT
John fenton daly is the mid kerry trainer former Milltown trainer not sure of his selectors
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2017 20:57:05 GMT
Don't think there is too much wrong with the current structure as is. Divisional teams have always been a mixed bag especially early in the year.
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Post by lár na páirce on May 8, 2017 21:52:12 GMT
Move one or two east kerry clubs to mid kerry or St.Kierans Asides from maybe Listry moving to mid Kerry is there any other team that could move? Firies to St.Kierans would be logical also
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Post by yellowbelly on May 8, 2017 22:54:50 GMT
Kerry club's success at the Junior and Intermediate level hasn't gone unnoticed Most other have 16 Clubs in the Senior Grade, Dublin has 32. Kerry has 8.
I believe there will be some intervention in the near future from Croke Park as to the number of clubs participating in each grade of the championships, going over the heads of whatever the KCB decide.
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Post by thechosenone on May 8, 2017 22:58:51 GMT
Shannon Rangers just don't have the players to compete. All clubs in the division are struggling at the bottom of division 4/5 bar Ballydonoghue who aren't much better. They're struggling in 3 and lost to Churchill in the Junior who are fairly weak themselves.
However saying that they should definitely put up a better showing than they did. I saw their manager mentioned in the Kerryman that there was a 3 year plan in place or something. They didn't even meet once before the game with St. Brendan's so God only knows what his 3 year plan is.
Disappointing to see Jason Foley and Brian O'Seanachain didn't even line out the last day. Maybe they had exams or something. I guess it just shows the lack of organisation when the manager (who is a Ballydonoghue man himself) couldn't even get them to play.
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Post by mossie on May 8, 2017 23:18:37 GMT
Shannon Rangers just don't have the players to compete. All clubs in the division are struggling at the bottom of division 4/5 bar Ballydonoghue who aren't much better. They're struggling in 3 and lost to Churchill in the Junior who are fairly weak themselves. However saying that they should definitely put up a better showing than they did. I saw their manager mentioned in the Kerryman that there was a 3 year plan in place or something. They didn't even meet once before the game with St. Brendan's so God only knows what his 3 year plan is. Disappointing to see Jason Foley and Brian O'Seanachain didn't even line out the last day. Maybe they had exams or something. I guess it just shows the lack of organisation when the manager (who is a Ballydonoghue man himself) couldn't even get them to play. dont have the players to compete! they were in the semi finals a season or two ago and that was before the likes of Jason Foley, Brian OSeanachain, Jack Goulding, Cormac Linnane came along
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