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Post by fitz on Mar 29, 2017 23:45:16 GMT
.... I have been saying for about 3 years that the Dubs are beatable but what's beating other teams is their own mindset. I watch the Dublin team at very close quarters in most of their matches played in Croke Park. There have been occasions where you could see that if their opposition had even half of the self belief/killer instinct they possess they could have seen them off. ....... I agree 1000%. It would take a very long post to explain why that is happening Kerry but briefly - because of the management in place when we were stung by northern teams tactics were seen as the solution - generally, tactics are only a crutch for underdogs - they take the "Kerry" out of our team - no killer instinct. That is why from time to time we get posts here hankering for that ingredient Kerry always had. There are a lot of ordinary footballers in the present Dublin squad. I think we'll need names Kex. I don't agree. It doesn't sit with their success level.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 11:10:18 GMT
.... I have been saying for about 3 years that the Dubs are beatable but what's beating other teams is their own mindset. I watch the Dublin team at very close quarters in most of their matches played in Croke Park. There have been occasions where you could see that if their opposition had even half of the self belief/killer instinct they possess they could have seen them off. ....... I agree 1000%. It would take a very long post to explain why that is happening Kerry but briefly - because of the management in place when we were stung by northern teams tactics were seen as the solution - generally, tactics are only a crutch for underdogs - they take the "Kerry" out of our team - no killer instinct. That is why from time to time we get posts here hankering for that ingredient Kerry always had. There are a lot of ordinary footballers in the present Dublin squad. If there are a lot of ordinary footballers in the Dublin squad, Kerry must be well below ordinary! It is worrying that very few of the current kerry 15 wouldnt make the Dublin squad with all the "ordinary" players they have!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 30, 2017 11:59:59 GMT
Lets assume mayo win by a point v donegal. What must kerry beat tyrone by to reach the league final in that scenario.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 30, 2017 12:16:55 GMT
Lets assume mayo win by a point v donegal. What must kerry beat tyrone by to reach the league final in that scenario. I make it out to be 6 points.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 30, 2017 18:50:04 GMT
Thanks....
I wouldnt be betting much against mayo and donegal ending in a draw...
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 30, 2017 21:41:18 GMT
Lets assume mayo win by a point v donegal. What must kerry beat tyrone by to reach the league final in that scenario. I make it out to be 6 points. With Monaghan also losing a 5 point win will do as Kerry have the tie break over Donegal
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Post by peanuts on Mar 31, 2017 10:19:58 GMT
I make it out to be 6 points. With Monaghan also losing a 5 point win will do as Kerry have the tie break over Donegal Don't think it works that way. Head to head only comes into it if there's only 2 teams on same points.
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 31, 2017 11:54:36 GMT
With Monaghan also losing a 5 point win will do as Kerry have the tie break over Donegal Don't think it works that way. Head to head only comes into it if there's only 2 teams on same points. With 3 teams on the 8 points which could be the case here and both Kerry and Donegal on +11 then in comes down to head to head between those two. As Kerry won they would go through. There will never come a day when I will not want Kerry to get to a final. Dublin are good but are way over rated. Mayo had them last year but for the two own goals in game one and the goalkeeping errors plus the crazy Keegan black card in the replay.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 31, 2017 12:22:33 GMT
Don't think it works that way. Head to head only comes into it if there's only 2 teams on same points. With 3 teams on the 8 points which could be the case here and both Kerry and Donegal on +11 then in comes down to head to head between those two. As Kerry won they would go through. There will never come a day when I will not want Kerry to get to a final. Dublin are good but are way over rated. Mayo had them last year but for the two own goals in game one and the goalkeeping errors plus the crazy Keegan black card in the replay. This hasn't been the case up to now. Has it changed for this year? See last line below (taken from gaa.ie from last year). In a scenario whereby two teams vying for promotion or battling to avoid relegation are level on points, here is how a tie-break is determined. • The team that won the head-to-head match is ranked first • If this game was a draw, scoring difference is used to rank the teams • If scoring difference is identical, the total scores is used to rank the teams • If this is still identical, a play-off is required If three or more teams are level on points, then the head to head rule no longer applies and scoring difference is used to rank the teams.
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 31, 2017 12:51:03 GMT
With 3 teams on the 8 points which could be the case here and both Kerry and Donegal on +11 then in comes down to head to head between those two. As Kerry won they would go through. There will never come a day when I will not want Kerry to get to a final. Dublin are good but are way over rated. Mayo had them last year but for the two own goals in game one and the goalkeeping errors plus the crazy Keegan black card in the replay. This hasn't been the case up to now. Has it changed for this year? See last line below (taken from gaa.ie from last year). In a scenario whereby two teams vying for promotion or battling to avoid relegation are level on points, here is how a tie-break is determined. • The team that won the head-to-head match is ranked first • If this game was a draw, scoring difference is used to rank the teams • If scoring difference is identical, the total scores is used to rank the teams • If this is still identical, a play-off is required If three or more teams are level on points, then the head to head rule no longer applies and scoring difference is used to rank the teams. No change but you don't cover the scenario when the scoring difference is identical when three or more teams are tied on points. Donegal and Kerry may end up with the same point difference. How do you separate them so? Kerry also have more total points scored. Do we have a play off?
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Post by peanuts on Mar 31, 2017 13:10:03 GMT
This hasn't been the case up to now. Has it changed for this year? See last line below (taken from gaa.ie from last year). In a scenario whereby two teams vying for promotion or battling to avoid relegation are level on points, here is how a tie-break is determined. • The team that won the head-to-head match is ranked first • If this game was a draw, scoring difference is used to rank the teams • If scoring difference is identical, the total scores is used to rank the teams • If this is still identical, a play-off is required If three or more teams are level on points, then the head to head rule no longer applies and scoring difference is used to rank the teams. No change but you don't cover the scenario when the scoring difference is identical when three or more teams are tied on points. Donegal and Kerry may end up with the same point difference. How do you separate them so? Kerry also have more total points scored. Do we have a play off? I don't know Aodhan, I was more querying as to whether you were correct.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 31, 2017 13:35:55 GMT
I expect Kerry, Mayo and Cavan to win their games.
The other game will be very close all through but Dublin will win by getting a few unanswered points between 65 and 73 minutes.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 31, 2017 13:58:56 GMT
If we are afraid to play Dublin we may as well throw our hat at it. In a different sport an Irish team practically flagellated itself to avoid playing the market leaders. If you wanna be the best you better wanna meet the best. Don't know what sport you are referring to. I thought Ireland seem to have no fear of the Kiwi's and the Saxons anymore. Could beat both on a good day.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 31, 2017 14:13:06 GMT
There's no point dreaming about a final. We have to beat Tyrone first. A Tyrone team that have gone back to the same style that brought them success before. 13 men behind the ball and quick counters. Tyrone have tackling to a very fine art and are almost impossible to break down. Especially this Kerry side that have struggled each time when teams put men behind the ball. Tyrone will play similar to Monaghan, keep ball, be patient, build the scores, but most of all keep possession and focus on not conceding the scores. They no longer have the forwards that will win games, but they still have Cavanagh and Harte who are always good for a few scores. Kerry seem to fall into the same trap over and over when teams put men behind the ball and that is the whole team pushing up to create a score. We need players in our own half as well in case the ball is turned over. Every time teams counter and run at us in pace we seem to be able to do nothing but drag a man down. Tyrone will thrive on that. Tyrone know they won't score 2-16, but if they score 0-8 and win the game they probably couldn't care less. The one thing in our favour is that we have a lot of youth, more pace this year, and have Morley, Barry and Shanahan this year. Kealy is slowly improving his kickouts so I hope Eamon sticks with him. There is no point throwing in a new goalkeeper if the players aren't used to it. It takes a while to build the chemistry between outfield players and a goalie. I hope Enright and Young will be back. We need Young more than anyone for this match. If Buckley is available I would put him on instead of Donnchadh who is not playing his best football of the year. Tyrone have a few injury worries and suspensions themselves to worry about so all is not lost. I expect a low scoring affair with a 2 point win for Kerry.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 31, 2017 14:25:16 GMT
No change but you don't cover the scenario when the scoring difference is identical when three or more teams are tied on points. Donegal and Kerry may end up with the same point difference. How do you separate them so? Kerry also have more total points scored. Do we have a play off? I'm nearly certain this is covered in the GAA rules documents (what happens if 2+ teams end up on the same score difference) ; I have a vague notion of reading this online at one stage but it was a couple of years back now and I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention to it; was looking for something else and read it out of curiosity - I think there were a number of criteria 4 or 5 - goals scored I think was one and lower number of cards another but I think the final one was a coin-toss as opposed to a play-off. I don't have time to root it out now but might later on.
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Post by diego on Mar 31, 2017 15:52:25 GMT
Tyrone team named last night... tyronegaa.ie/2017/03/tyrone-team-v-kerry-allianz-football-league-2417/Comórtas: Sraith Náisiúnta Peil Cluiche: Ciarraí v Tír Eoghain Ionad: Cill Airne Dáta: 02 Aibreán 2017 1 – Mickey O’Neill – Cluain Eo 2 – Aidan McCrory – Aireagal Chiaráin 3 – Pádraig Hampsey – Oileán a’Ghuail 4 – Cathal McCarron – An Droim Mór 5 – Tiernan McCann – Coill an Chlochair 6 – Ronan McNabb – An Droim Mhór 7 – Peter Harte – Aireagal Chiaráin 8 – Colm Cavanagh – An Mhaigh 9 – Padraig McNulty – Dún Geanainn 10 – Conall McCann – Coill an Chlochair 11 – Niall Sludden – An Droim Mhór 12 – Kieran McGeary – Cabhán a’Chaortainn 13 – Mark Bradley – Coill an Chlochair 14 – Sean Cavanagh – An Mhaigh 15 – Darren McCurry – Éadan na dTorc 16 – Niall Morgan – Éadan na dTorc 17 – Lee Brennan – Trí Leac 18 – Rory Brennan – Trí Leac 19 – Frank Burns – Cabhán a’Chaortainn 20 – Declan McClure – Cluain Eo 21 – Hugh Pat McGeary – Cabhán a’Chaortainn 22 – Justin McMahon – An Omaigh 23 – Cathal McShane – E. R. Uí Néill 24 – Conor Meyler – An Omaigh 25 – David Mulgrew – Ard Bó 26 – Jonathan Monroe – An Charraig Mhór 27 – Ronan McHugh – Achadh Uí Aráin
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 31, 2017 16:05:46 GMT
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Post by diego on Mar 31, 2017 16:10:59 GMT
There's no point dreaming about a final. We have to beat Tyrone first. A Tyrone team that have gone back to the same style that brought them success before. 13 men behind the ball and quick counters. Tyrone have tackling to a very fine art and are almost impossible to break down. Especially this Kerry side that have struggled each time when teams put men behind the ball. Tyrone will play similar to Monaghan, keep ball, be patient, build the scores, but most of all keep possession and focus on not conceding the scores. They no longer have the forwards that will win games, but they still have Cavanagh and Harte who are always good for a few scores. Only for a joke of a free given to the Dubs by Uncle Joe and a joke of a black card for one of their key men Sludden against Mayo, Tyrone could easily have 10 points and be top of table. They'll be formidable opponents on Sunday. Interesting to see 3 Killyclogher boys on the team for Sunday. Was very impressed with the brand of football they played in the club championship. The McCanns are really classy players as is Bradley in the corner.
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Post by diego on Mar 31, 2017 16:39:37 GMT
Might be worth looking at all the scenarios from our point of view for Sunday. Here are the standings before the final round: www.gaa.ie/football/football-league-roinn-1/tablesAllianz Football League Roinn 1 Pos Team P W D L F A Pts 1 Dublin 6 3 3 0 106 66 9 2 Donegal 6 3 2 1 92 80 8 3 Monaghan 6 3 2 1 82 76 8 4 Tyrone 6 3 1 2 79 69 7 5 Mayo 6 3 0 3 84 89 6 6 Kerry 6 2 2 2 97 91 6 7 Cavan 6 1 2 3 71 91 4 8 Roscommon 6 0 0 6 87 136 0 If we get the Dublin/Kerry/Mayo win treble that we need to have any chance of making the final, then Dublin will have 11 points followed by Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo all tied on 8. So head to head wouldn't come in to it then to decide 2nd place, and the scoring difference as it stands is Donegal (+12), Kerry (+6), Monaghan (+6) and Mayo (-5). So with Monaghan losing they would be no better than +5 so no worries for us there. Donegal would be at best +11 so a 6 point win for us would guarantee us to go ahead of them, and a 5 point win would likely do us as we'd be very likely to have the edge on points scored if the score difference is level. Obviously the more Donegal lose by, the less we need to beat Tyrone by. The only other bullet to avoid then would be a landslide win for Mayo. Mayo have 11 points to make up on us, so if we win by 1 they'd need to beat Donegal by at least 12 points before we'd need to worry about them.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2017 16:49:20 GMT
This is the type of scenario you need in a super 8 competition. Not two groups of 4
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2017 17:06:57 GMT
Total bull* article if you ask me.
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Post by Dermot on Mar 31, 2017 17:11:35 GMT
Only for a joke of a free given to the Dubs by Uncle Joe and a joke of a black card for one of their key men Sludden against Mayo, Tyrone could easily have 10 points and be top of table. They'll be formidable opponents on Sunday. Interesting to see 3 Killyclogher boys on the team for Sunday. Was very impressed with the brand of football they played in the club championship. The McCanns are really classy players as is Bradley in the corner. Looking at our team we appear to be missing a couple .. I believe Mattie Donnelly has been suspended for this game but to be fair he wasnt in greatest form anyway .. hopefully he will get back to himself soon ... We will also be missing McNamee (injured) and thats a big miss too.. Bradley is a great wee player .. hopefully he can continue in that vein.. I notice Lee Brennan is in the squad .. This lad can actually score free's .. God I hope I haven't just jinxed him for life
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Post by dano on Mar 31, 2017 17:26:05 GMT
Complete garbage there in the Indo by Curran.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 31, 2017 17:30:06 GMT
Let's pretend Dublin and all the others aren't doing the same. I hate this style of play, but hopefully things change again soon.
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Post by taggert on Mar 31, 2017 17:51:08 GMT
Obsessed with Dublin. It reads like Paul Curran is obsessed with Kerry.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Mar 31, 2017 17:52:56 GMT
I would like to see a pattern to our play.
I would like to see our forwards play with and have a cut.
I would like to see our defence defend without having to drag the opposition down.
I would like to see our management make substitutions that are pro active rather than reactive. Also, I believe that substituting workers for scorers is what is killing us and leading to second half fade outs.
I would like to see the team gain back some confidence. our conversion rate has slipped with every game.
I would like to see us control and manage a game properly. Fail to this on Sunday and we will lose.
I would like to see us rise above the slyness and skulduggery that has punctuated Tyrone v Kerry games.
I would like to see a game of football !!!
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Post by timmy on Mar 31, 2017 18:00:08 GMT
I agree with Paul Curran 100%
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 31, 2017 18:05:32 GMT
Total bull* article if you ask me. Why is it bu##*?
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Post by Leathama on Mar 31, 2017 19:35:39 GMT
The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Tyrone in Round 7 of the Allianz Football League in Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney on Sunday at 2pm shows 3 changes in personnel from the side that drew with Cavan in Round 6.
Anthony Maher comes in at midfield for his first League start of the season in place of Jack Barry and up front Michael Geaney and Barry John Keane both start with Adrian Spillane and Jack Savage the players to lose out. Shane Enright returns to the match-day panel following injury.
The team captained by Fionn Fitzgerald is as follows:
Ciarraí
1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 2. Fionn Fitzgerald (C) Dr Crokes 3. Mark Griffin St Michaels-Foilmore 4. Ronan Shanahan Austin Stacks 5. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers 6. Tadhg Morley Templenoe 7. Paul Murphy Rathmore
8. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 9. Anthony Maher Duagh
10. Michael Geaney Dingle 11. Kevin McCarthy Kilcummin 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane
13. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 14. Paul Geaney Dingle 15. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare
Fir Ionaid:
16. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 17. Jack Barry Na Gaeil 18. Jack Savage Kerins O’Rahillys 19. Adrian Spillane Templenoe 20. Bryan Sheehan St Marys 21. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 22. Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar 23. Shane Enright Tarbert 24. Cathal Ó Lúing An Ghaeltacht 25. Denis Daly St Marys 26. Gavin Crowley Templenoe 27. Conor Keane Killarney Legion
Bainistíocht
Bainisteóir: Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge)
Róghnóirí: Mikey Sheehy (Austin Stacks), Padraig Corcoran (Dingle), Liam Hassett (Laune Rangers), Maurice Fitzgerald (St Marys).
Referee for the game is Martin Duffy of Sligo
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 20:26:01 GMT
Fairly predictable. Spillane played pretty poorly last week and savage has gone off the boil. Glad to see bjk get a start.
No's 24 - 28 look to be making up the numbers at this stage and will probably drop out once the crokes and u21 contingent return
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