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Post by homerj on Mar 26, 2017 22:03:44 GMT
so am i correct in saying, if we beat Tyrone and the following happens, we can make the final.
Dublin beats Monaghan.
Mayo beat Donegal.
it then comes down to scoring difference and we are -6 with donegal so we have to win by 4 and they lose by 3 for example.
tall order and us winning first and foremost is the only thing we can think about but the above two other result are definately possible.
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Post by pillar on Mar 26, 2017 22:19:31 GMT
Is there anyway we can qualify for league final.Mayo are ahead of us eventhough we have better score difference(I'm assuming that on the head to head).We can't finish top so it has to be second place.But we can't possibly finish 2nd cos if Donegal beat or draw with Mayo we can't possibly pass them out .And if Mayo beat Donegal there ahead of us on head to head. And all that is assuming we beat Tyrone.
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Post by sullyschoice on Mar 26, 2017 22:19:38 GMT
In my opinion no county outside of Dublin wants to play in the NFL final. Donegal are going to New york the weekend of the final. Tyrone made no real effort to win today and Kerry were so flat and sloppy today that they must have done heavy training this week. next week Donegal wont be trying against Mayo, Dublin will not loose against Monaghan and we will beat Tyrone in Killarney as Tyrone seem to be satisfied with their lot. It looks like a Kerry Dublin final. If Kerry make the final I will eat my hat
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Post by jackiel on Mar 26, 2017 22:29:25 GMT
We might be better not making the final, another heavy defeat to Dublin is the only outcome I can see at present and that won't do anyone any good. We need to regroup and tackle the championship head on.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 26, 2017 22:30:30 GMT
Cavan won four Ulster under 21s in a row and those players are coming through now. They drew with Monaghan and lost to Donegal by a point and Dublin didnt beat them out the gate either.
Cavan pretty much conceeded every one of Kealys kickouts to Kerry and to be fair to Brendan he did well in finding his man. Kerry built from the back a lot and were met with a blue wall 50 yards from the Cavan goal and they struggled.
But most team do in this situation.
Kerrys inability to post long distance points is their undoing as every opposing manager knows that if you stop Kerry goaling they wont hurt you from points. Cavan kicked three points from distance that Kerry cant do anymore, one of them by the fullback being particularly outstanding.
Kerry could have drawn more fouls by direct running but that option wasnt taken much.
The introduction of Sheehan and BJK improved things as at least the thought of having a shot at the posts occurs to them.
Kerrys most creative player is probably Paul Murphy and moving him back into defense just lessens whatever attacking threat Kerry have in my opinion.
Moran is in rude health at the moment, running around like Darragh, fetching it out of the sky like Darragh but his distribution would have Darragh shaking his head. He should simply lay it off or find Paul Murphy or someone who can kick pass.
For the second week in a row it seemed to me at any rate that the substitution of Jack Barry was a bit of a turning point. Jack does a lot of unseen work and his distribution is very good, nothing flashy. I was looking forward to seeing Kevin McCarthy at 11 but his black card was silly and he was gone after a few minutes.
Anyway, Kerry are going no where without the ability to slot points from play from somewhere other than directly in from of the posts inside the 21 yard line. I will be watching the u21 next wednesday to see if they can do so.
No faulting the effort by Kerry today though.
Lovely stadium by Cavan and they are great GAA people, very sporting and it would have been a travesty had they lost the game.
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Post by homerj on Mar 26, 2017 22:35:43 GMT
In my opinion no county outside of Dublin wants to play in the NFL final. Donegal are going to New york the weekend of the final. Tyrone made no real effort to win today and Kerry were so flat and sloppy today that they must have done heavy training this week. next week Donegal wont be trying against Mayo, Dublin will not loose against Monaghan and we will beat Tyrone in Killarney as Tyrone seem to be satisfied with their lot. It looks like a Kerry Dublin final. If Kerry make the final I will eat my hat if we win, we do have a great chance. Dublin need a result to guarantee their final and surely will be favourites to beat Monaghan. Mayo are at home to Donegal and need a result. the above two results are not a long stretch at all. after that, its then a matter of us winning by 3 or 4 points i would say
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 26, 2017 22:36:05 GMT
Is there anyway we can qualify for league final.Mayo are ahead of us eventhough we have better score difference(I'm assuming that on the head to head).We can't finish top so it has to be second place.But we can't possibly finish 2nd cos if Donegal beat or draw with Mayo we can't possibly pass them out .And if Mayo beat Donegal there ahead of us on head to head. And all that is assuming we beat Tyrone. Yes it is possible. If we beat Tyrone and Dublin and Mayo win, four teams will tie for second place on eight points which will go to points difference. We could be there but after today's display I hope not. An interesting possibility is Monaghan and Donegal winning which would knock Dublin out of the final.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 26, 2017 22:38:34 GMT
Shocking stuff from Kerry today. Fairly typical of what we have seen in the league over the past five years from Kerry. The average, the bad and the terrible.......................... There is no worthwhile league form there at all. A game Kerry were never going to lose makes the performance all the more unforgivable. Killian Spillane and Jack Savage are't going to learn their trade sitting on the bench either!!! We know what Sheehan and O'Sullivan bring to the table at this stage. The whole setup looks stale.
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Post by fitz on Mar 26, 2017 22:40:23 GMT
Given perfect conditions, I think it's up there as the worst 70 mins I've ever seen. Certainly the first 35. I think Fionn got caught for the goal that got Cavan back in the game, misjudged an intercept and left man clean through. Geaney had a mare in second half. Sheehan kicked two gems, but missed two straight in front of posts, and spilled a ball out of his hands coming out of defence that ended in a score. Moran was again immense, clear motm, Stephen O was decent, Donnacha and Murph ok. Can't find much else positive. Never have I seen so many bad passes and handling errors. Shocking stuff. It was Mark Griffin that was caught for the goal. Thanks Clarinman, was down in our right corner fwd area in second half, it happened over in our right corner/half back area so jumped the gun re: young Fionn. Apologies Fionnbo.
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Post by pillar on Mar 26, 2017 22:50:51 GMT
Is there anyway we can qualify for league final.Mayo are ahead of us eventhough we have better score difference(I'm assuming that on the head to head).We can't finish top so it has to be second place.But we can't possibly finish 2nd cos if Donegal beat or draw with Mayo we can't possibly pass them out .And if Mayo beat Donegal there ahead of us on head to head. And all that is assuming we beat Tyrone. Yes it is possible. If we beat Tyrone and Dublin and Mayo win, four teams will tie for second place on eight points which will go to points difference. We could be there but after today's display I hope not. An interesting possibility is Monaghan and Donegal winning which would knock Dublin out of the final. Monaghan will love having the Dubs in Clones with their new record..Thanks fir clearing that one up🖒
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Post by fitz on Mar 26, 2017 23:08:37 GMT
I don't see we can qualify. Monaghan have us on head to head, and we can only tie them on 8pts. Campaign over as far as I can see
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Post by wayupnorth on Mar 26, 2017 23:26:44 GMT
I don't see we can qualify. Monaghan have us on head to head, and we can only tie them on 8pts. Campaign over as far as I can see Head to head only counts if two teams share equal points. In the above scenario four teams will be on eight points (Kerry, Monaghan, Donegal and Mayo) so it will go to points difference.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 26, 2017 23:34:32 GMT
Cavan won four Ulster under 21s in a row and those players are coming through now. They drew with Monaghan and lost to Donegal by a point and Dublin didnt beat them out the gate either. Cavan pretty much conceeded every one of Kealys kickouts to Kerry and to be fair to Brendan he did well in finding his man. Kerry built from the back a lot and were met with a blue wall 50 yards from the Cavan goal and they struggled. But most team do in this situation. Kerrys inability to post long distance points is their undoing as every opposing manager knows that if you stop Kerry goaling they wont hurt you from points. Cavan kicked three points from distance that Kerry cant do anymore, one of them by the fullback being particularly outstanding. Kerry could have drawn more fouls by direct running but that option wasnt taken much. The introduction of Sheehan and BJK improved things as at least the thought of having a shot at the posts occurs to them. Kerrys most creative player is probably Paul Murphy and moving him back into defense just lessens whatever attacking threat Kerry have in my opinion. Moran is in rude health at the moment, running around like Darragh, fetching it out of the sky like Darragh but his distribution would have Darragh shaking his head. He should simply lay it off or find Paul Murphy or someone who can kick pass. For the second week in a row it seemed to me at any rate that the substitution of Jack Barry was a bit of a turning point. Jack does a lot of unseen work and his distribution is very good, nothing flashy. I was looking forward to seeing Kevin McCarthy at 11 but his black card was silly and he was gone after a few minutes. Anyway, Kerry are going no where without the ability to slot points from play from somewhere other than directly in from of the posts inside the 21 yard line. I will be watching the u21 next wednesday to see if they can do so. No faulting the effort by Kerry today though. Lovely stadium by Cavan and they are great GAA people, very sporting and it would have been a travesty had they lost the game. Good post Mick. Sometimes when I read these I wonder about the knowledge of Radio Kerry commentators and why they can't give a clearer picture. Based on what you're saying Donaghy could also be part of the solution. I would rather not face Dublin in Croke Park in the final if possible so hopefully a win against Tyrone and then training for the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 0:04:29 GMT
A depressing drive home. Terrible display by Kerry. Our Passing was very poor. Our tackling is bad. Our kicking was a joke. Although he's 34 and has lost pace we badly need Cooper back. At least he can still finish. If Geaney is stopped we have nothing up front. We desperately need a fit O'Donoghue also. Another thing we kept doing is turnovers. We kept running into to trouble with the ball and losing it. That was a Division 2 performance yesterday. Apart from the Roscommon game who are very poor and Dublin we have had a bad League campaign. Tyrone will hammer us if we play like that. Things need to change and we need about 5 or 6 u21s on the team or we have no chance in the summer.
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Post by SCB-ROCK on Mar 27, 2017 0:17:10 GMT
As we all know Kerry didn't win a minor title from 94' to 2013, and haven't won a U21 title since 2008 (if memory serves). Why? In one of the greatest football counties in the country, how is that allowed to happen? In those 20 years didn't the Kerry county board (KCB) go to the public looking for money? Didn't KCB receive funds from club matches played in the county? Didn't Kerry Group give hundreds of thousands/Millions of pounds/Euros in that time? And yet no investment in youth, a generation of kids unattended to. Do people really believe it was lack of talent? I certainly don't! Why has it taken until 2016 for ground to be broken on a center of excellence? I grew up in the shadow of Fitzgerald Stadium, why has there only been one major stadium improvement in the last 40 plus years? (Lewis Road end) We've being paying dearly for that lack of investment in our youth for the last few years, with the same names recycled in the hope that what didn't work the year before will work now. I realize that we've won 3 minor titles on the trot and will be competitive again this year, the future looks bright, and congrats to all involved, but let's make that the norm! Read more: kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/6704/kerry-mayo-11-2-17?page=4#ixzz4cTrxNQ8S
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Post by patinkerry on Mar 27, 2017 1:56:13 GMT
2 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses. What is going on? Personally I thought the first four games lacked spark but thought I was witnessing a different team against Dublin...with one exception, we still have not mastered a way to close out the game. After seeing how Cavan closed Mayo last weekend, I was not surprised to see Cavan holding their own against Kerry but I'm really perplexed on what Kerry shows us. The Kerry team against Dublin shows championship potential, the rest was at a lower scale. However, bar 2016, that seems to be the way it goes under Fitzmaurice. If we beat Tyrone in Fitzgerald Stadium next week, well then, my main overview of this years league, is that we have passion and drive against the teams that we think matters...and from that...with players like Jason Foley, JOD, Gavin White and Killian Spillane to be added to the panel, then ..who knows....
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 27, 2017 8:30:45 GMT
Shocking stuff from Kerry today. Fairly typical of what we have seen in the league over the past five years from Kerry. The average, the bad and the terrible.......................... There is no worthwhile league form there at all. A game Kerry were never going to lose makes the performance all the more unforgivable. Killian Spillane and Jack Savage are't going to learn their trade sitting on the bench either!!! We know what Sheehan and O'Sullivan bring to the table at this stage. The whole setup looks stale. "Stale" is an apt description. I'm fed up with seeing Sheehan getting caught on the ball. I'm fed up with watching the full-back line being left so exposed at times. I'm fed up with poor shot selection over and over again. I'm fed up with Moran's wayward and careless passing. I'm fed up with lazy and non-existent tackling. I'm fed up!!!
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 27, 2017 9:30:12 GMT
With one game left in our 2017 league campaign (most likely) the numbers for our six games are as follows won two (by +6 & +3) drew 2 (giving up last score on both occasions) and lost 2 (by -1 & -2).
Agree with frustration at our inability to close out a game - this is a mental frailty that is all the more glaring as it is probably Dublins greatest strength and that hurts.
Our scoring power is the big problem for me - of our 5-82 tally 3-28 came from Paul Geaney and he was scoreless from play in three of the six games. of his 28 points 20 were from frees. Our next best scorer was Barry John Keane on 1-9 and he seems to be considered an impact player by management as he rarely gets a start (probably plays best off the bench is the consensus). Our third highest scorer is the injury prone and mainly absent James O D on 0-10. Our remaining scores were scattered accross 15 other players. Our inability to convert scores is turning us into a typical chasing pack team.
Also 50% of the points we conceded in the six games came from frees - again highlighting the issue of our tackling or more correctly our inability to defend without coughing up frees. At the other end only 35% of our points came from frees.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 27, 2017 9:42:24 GMT
Maybe we're not that good! I cant think of too many of our players who are the envy of other top teams- Moran & Geaney probably- JOD if he was fit but cant think of anyone else
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 27, 2017 10:04:10 GMT
At least Moran is coming into form.
A very important player for us.
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Post by Jigz84 on Mar 27, 2017 10:18:17 GMT
Fair play to Cavan Co Board for putting on great entertainment yesterday before the game and at half-time. They could teach our crowd a thing or two.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 27, 2017 11:17:18 GMT
We seem to have a dearth of new talent on the panel There must be a solid. Group of about 40 players Over 21 but under 26 out there playing every week for their clubs Can we get even two or three and stop wailing about our U 21 babies
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Post by fitz on Mar 27, 2017 11:24:02 GMT
Maybe we're not that good! I cant think of too many of our players who are the envy of other top teams- Moran & Geaney probably- JOD if he was fit but cant think of anyone else Shane for certain, Murph, Crowley is off form (taken off again yesterday) but would be in the list on form
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Post by fitz on Mar 27, 2017 11:25:44 GMT
A bright note - Kealy's kicking was close to flawless yesterday, albeit many of them were easy short ones. He hit the long ones when needed.
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 27, 2017 12:01:01 GMT
A bright note - Kealy's kicking was close to flawless yesterday, albeit many of them were easy short ones. He hit the long ones when needed. Fitzwop thank s for a morcel of positive news I agree kelly has been working hard and seems to ping the ball now much more accurate and strategic Very good news indeed
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 12:38:16 GMT
We seem to have a dearth of new talent on the panel There must be a solid. Group of about 40 players Over 21 but under 26 out there playing every week for their clubs Can we get even two or three and stop wailing about our U 21 babies Shanahan, Barry, savage, Spillane and McCarthy would all meet that criteria?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 27, 2017 13:25:31 GMT
Maybe we're not that good! I cant think of too many of our players who are the envy of other top teams- Moran & Geaney probably- JOD if he was fit but cant think of anyone else Shane for certain, Murph, Crowley is off form (taken off again yesterday) but would be in the list on form I beg to differ on all 3- a maximum of one would get in the Dublin/Mayo teams and maybe even none
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Post by colinsworth1 on Mar 27, 2017 13:30:48 GMT
We seem to have a dearth of new talent on the panel There must be a solid. Group of about 40 players Over 21 but under 26 out there playing every week for their clubs Can we get even two or three and stop wailing about our U 21 babies Shanahan, Barry, savage, Spillane and McCarthy would all meet that criteria? Point well taken but I'm looking for two or three more in that age bracket . I'm not totally familiar with club scene and what's out there But is there a faster stronger defender that Culhane from Bally? How about Donoghue from Glenflesk. Byrne from Croke's Who changed the game when he came on about an hour too late But if I'm looking for one player it's a lightening fast and powerful Ball carrying midfielder in thst sge group
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Post by fitz on Mar 27, 2017 14:03:20 GMT
Shane for certain, Murph, Crowley is off form (taken off again yesterday) but would be in the list on form I beg to differ on all 3- a maximum of one would get in the Dublin/Mayo teams and maybe even none Interesting viewpoint. I think Shane's the best defender in the country. We'll have to diverge
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 27, 2017 14:50:22 GMT
Training has often, in previous years, been geared towards specific matches with emphasis on producing good performances @ home; this resulted in a week of ball interspersed with plenty of sprinting/sharpness work. Often the heavy strength sapping long runs took place the week of an away game where a performance in front of a smaller following usually did not receive much negativity. One of the reasons for our Jekyll & Hyde type of form, I believe is that we started training about a month too late- starting in early Jan in preparation for 3/4 games in Feb is a recipe for disaster resulting in not just too many under par performances but also the workload on the body is too heavy resulting in injuries- we were without Shane, Killian & Jameso yesterday for that reason.
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