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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 24, 2017 18:45:36 GMT
Sorry this is just wrong, Kerry are well coached and we'll drilled but Dublin are just a different class at the minute. Did EF kick away that free on Sat? We kicked away two points. We were two points up going into injury time and went long with both kick outs. As opposed to Crokes the day before who went short and kept playing keep ball for 2 minutes. It's all we should have done. To blame the equaliser on Murphy is wrong. We gave away two points and that free was just one of them. Paul kicked a 50/50 ball and the Kerry players were just ball watching. Dublin were very quick to react both times and didn't panic. Just kept playing away as they had done all match. We have to stop thinking we have won the game in injury time when we are 2 points up. Where did I blame Murphy? I wouldn't I'm his biggest fan What I am saying which I thought was clear enough was you can't blaming coaching for basic human errors.
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Post by dart on Mar 24, 2017 20:04:17 GMT
The amount of scorable frees conceded is killing this Kerry team against the Dubs. In fairness even the eir sports commentators mentioned how dubious lots of them are but the fact is the referee is given an opportunity to blow. There needs to be intense work in the training ground on this side of things.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 24, 2017 20:19:50 GMT
We kicked away two points. We were two points up going into injury time and went long with both kick outs. As opposed to Crokes the day before who went short and kept playing keep ball for 2 minutes. It's all we should have done. To blame the equaliser on Murphy is wrong. We gave away two points and that free was just one of them. Paul kicked a 50/50 ball and the Kerry players were just ball watching. Dublin were very quick to react both times and didn't panic. Just kept playing away as they had done all match. We have to stop thinking we have won the game in injury time when we are 2 points up. Where did I blame Murphy? I wouldn't I'm his biggest fan What I am saying which I thought was clear enough was you can't blaming coaching for basic human errors. Didn't mean you said it. Meant a lot of people were blaming the loss of that win, or a draw, on that free kick by Murphy. My point was that we had plenty of chances to win the game, but didn't take them. Also conceded too many frees, though many were dubious.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 25, 2017 1:15:57 GMT
Excellent analysis by Attackingwingback and An Bradan Feasa.
As Seoirse says they also have rugby influences. One tactic they have introduced from rugby is winning the 50/50 ball.
Normally a Kerry player will go flat out to win it. If both go equally hard they tend to collide, end up on the ground and another player picks up the break.
Dublin now divide this into 2 steps - collision and recovery. Step 1 forget about the ball and impact with the other player hard but "barely legal" and try to maintain balance. This is not a shoulder. Step 2 - while he is on the ground thinking the break is gone to a third player pick up the ball, act innocent and carry on.
Dublin do this a lot more during the summer than the league.
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 25, 2017 8:36:40 GMT
Lads Im all for interesting debate but this reached ridiculous levels now. It was a tough and feisty encounter, Quirke and Marc O'Se have both been on national media making the point that Kerry were going to do whatever it took to make sure that Dublin wouldn't be leaving with a win. They did that, we'll suck it up and move on. But to suggest that Dublin use a rugby tactic of competing for the ball and then "acting all innocent" as they run off with it is a bit nuts. And they do this more in the summer than in the winter! Come on. I don't think even Jim Gavin would go to that level of strategic thinking (in winter). As an aside, watching the Eir coverage last week at half time, Senan Connell (who I don't rate as an analyst) made the point that the reason Dublins kickouts weren't very effective was that Kerry were systematically fouling at this time, thus ensuring that Cluxton had no options. This is the most controversial thing Connell has ever said, and what was really telling was that no one else on the panel argued this point. Strange. Then Marc said something about Kerrys defenders doing well as they are going man to man, which was incorrect because Kerry had lots of bodies back, with Geaney the only Kerry forward in Dublins half for long stretches. Marc was back on the airwaves during the week arguing that Kerry weren't cynical but that they were kind of cynical last week, sounding like he didn't really believe himself. Even David Brady was laughing at this stage. As a double aside, Quirke and Willie Joe Padden were on Newstalk on Thursday telling us about their great new idea to beat Dublin. Apparently it was to play like Kerry did last weekend by "instigating", Quirkes word, lots of off the ball stuff to ensure you disrupt Dublins flow and rhythm. I'd say if Quirke listens to the podcast he'll be cringing, because he's normally fairly balanced. But he obviously was on some of the gear that Marc was on last weekend, with stuff like "they were coming down to our field and we don't care what we have to do but they are not going to beat us again". I nearly mistook him for the Bull McCabe at one stage! Lastly, Marc is not a very good analyst but he's new to it so I'll reserve judgement at this stage.
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Post by kerryexile on Mar 25, 2017 9:55:44 GMT
Lads Im all for interesting debate but this reached ridiculous levels now. It was a tough and feisty encounter, Quirke and Marc O'Se have both been on national media making the point that Kerry were going to do whatever it took to make sure that Dublin wouldn't be leaving with a win. They did that, we'll suck it up and move on. But to suggest that Dublin use a rugby tactic of competing for the ball and then "acting all innocent" as they run off with it is a bit nuts. And they do this more in the summer than in the winter! Come on. I don't think even Jim Gavin would go to that level of strategic thinking (in winter). As an aside, watching the Eir coverage last week at half time, Senan Connell (who I don't rate as an analyst) made the point that the reason Dublins kickouts weren't very effective was that Kerry were systematically fouling at this time, thus ensuring that Cluxton had no options. This is the most controversial thing Connell has ever said, and what was really telling was that no one else on the panel argued this point. Strange. Then Marc said something about Kerrys defenders doing well as they are going man to man, which was incorrect because Kerry had lots of bodies back, with Geaney the only Kerry forward in Dublins half for long stretches. Marc was back on the airwaves during the week arguing that Kerry weren't cynical but that they were kind of cynical last week, sounding like he didn't really believe himself. Even David Brady was laughing at this stage. Lastly, Marc is not a very good analyst but he's new to it so I'll reserve judgement at this stage. Now that we've unearthed the influences of people with basketball and rugby backgrounds, what is the role of Bernard Dunne.
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 25, 2017 10:12:39 GMT
No clue what role Dunne fulfills. He is a long time supporter of the team. Met him a couple of times, good lad. What do you think his role is? Dublin have plenty of problems, 2 wins from 5 ain't great. And they are struggling bigtime to make and take goal opportunities. But I don't think what Quirke and Padden are suggesting is the answer to stopping them, mainly because it is against the rules. Any ref worth his salt will sort it, but most of them cop out and issue two yellows. I would love one of them to make a stand and issue 4 or 5 red if necessary. Of course then we'll have Padden and Quirke saying referred has ruined the game as a spectacle, when in fact they are the ones encouraging teams to bring the game into disrepute.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 25, 2017 12:10:14 GMT
No clue what role Dunne fulfills. He is a long time supporter of the team. Met him a couple of times, good lad. What do you think his role is? Dublin have plenty of problems, 2 wins from 5 ain't great. And they are struggling bigtime to make and take goal opportunities. But I don't think what Quirke and Padden are suggesting is the answer to stopping them, mainly because it is against the rules. Any ref worth his salt will sort it, but most of them cop out and issue two yellows. I would love one of them to make a stand and issue 4 or 5 red if necessary. Of course then we'll have Padden and Quirke saying referred has ruined the game as a spectacle, when in fact they are the ones encouraging teams to bring the game into disrepute. I understand his role was as personal coaching/development not obviously around GAA but more what it took to be a winner. Regarding the Kerry tactics Mike quirke was spot on, Kerry and the supporters are sick of loosing to this team. Drag, pull , whatever it takes to win that might not be right but that's life.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 25, 2017 12:26:38 GMT
No clue what role Dunne fulfills. He is a long time supporter of the team. Met him a couple of times, good lad. What do you think his role is? Dublin have plenty of problems, 2 wins from 5 ain't great. And they are struggling bigtime to make and take goal opportunities. But I don't think what Quirke and Padden are suggesting is the answer to stopping them, mainly because it is against the rules. Any ref worth his salt will sort it, but most of them cop out and issue two yellows. I would love one of them to make a stand and issue 4 or 5 red if necessary. Of course then we'll have Padden and Quirke saying referred has ruined the game as a spectacle, when in fact they are the ones encouraging teams to bring the game into disrepute. I understand his role was as personal coaching/development not obviously around GAA but more what it took to be a winner. Regarding the Kerry tactics Mike quirke was spot on, Kerry and the supporters are sick of loosing to this team. Drag, pull , whatever it takes to win that might not be right but that's life. Plenty of dragging and pulling done by the Dubs last week as well. MDMA prevented quick frees being taken on a couple of occasions in the first half and held onto Barry after he had won a mark. It was also Kilkenny that started the incident with Morley that got them both booked as Morley was trying to run free for a Kealy kick out.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Mar 25, 2017 12:40:35 GMT
I understand his role was as personal coaching/development not obviously around GAA but more what it took to be a winner. Regarding the Kerry tactics Mike quirke was spot on, Kerry and the supporters are sick of loosing to this team. Drag, pull , whatever it takes to win that might not be right but that's life. Plenty of dragging and pulling done by the Dubs last week as well. MDMA prevented quick frees being taken on a couple of occasions in the first half and held onto Barry after he had won a mark. It was also Kilkenny that started the incident with Morley that got them both booked as Morley was trying to run free for a Kealy kick out. Absolutely peanuts I agree, there is a image that is painted that Dublin only play football, this is complete rubbish. All top teams and all successful teams have that side in their game.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 25, 2017 13:42:24 GMT
No clue what role Dunne fulfills. He is a long time supporter of the team. Met him a couple of times, good lad. What do you think his role is? Dublin have plenty of problems, 2 wins from 5 ain't great. And they are struggling bigtime to make and take goal opportunities. But I don't think what Quirke and Padden are suggesting is the answer to stopping them, mainly because it is against the rules. Any ref worth his salt will sort it, but most of them cop out and issue two yellows. I would love one of them to make a stand and issue 4 or 5 red if necessary. Of course then we'll have Padden and Quirke saying referred has ruined the game as a spectacle, when in fact they are the ones encouraging teams to bring the game into disrepute. Dublin do nearly everything better than their opponents bar converting goal chances. They are better at the nasty cynical stuff too. If you need proof I have a rake of examples from the final last year at my fingertips if need proof. As for Kerry commentators on print media and everywhere else. They are answerable only to themselves. They are not speaking on behalf of the Kerry team or the county board. A lot of it is rubbish. No point in coming on here posting it up. It is pointless unless you are trying to provoke something
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Post by skybluezone on Mar 26, 2017 12:32:21 GMT
I regard you as a fairly sane poster Mick but with respect that is a stupid post. Here's why it isn't pointless. Media outlets' pay a lot of money to garner and publish the views of ex players etc. They do this because 1) it makes money and 2) we the average Joe like to read them, and subsequently agree disagree etc. It generates discussion. This is an online forum. Issues are discussed. Quirkes view is interesting because it validates the notion that Kerry were intent on ensuring that Dublin were beaten in Tralee, by whatever means were necessary. This is interesting to me anyway because it gives lie to the view that Kerry are the guardians of football. One of their own is admitting this. This is interesting and controversial and discussable here, that's why I posted it. And that's why it's not a pointless post. I don't have to scroll too far back on this thread to read stuff like "Kerry have the more pure natural footballers" etc,a valid viewpoint I might add. But I disagree with that because it begs the question that if they have better footballers then why aren't they beating Dublin. Is it a tactical issue? Are their management poor? Are Dublins 'resources' the critical difference? Do all the refs favour Dublin? All debatable issues I would contend. And that's what this forum is for. Pointless posts are things like reading before the 2015 final that a rainy day will suit Kerry and shortly after it reading that conditions didn't suit Kerry. That's one example, there are more. I digress, my original point was that folk on here are interested in what ex players have to say. If I'm not mistaken Darragh O'Se has his very own thread on here. Why do you think that is? Answer, because even though Darraghs views may not be anyone else's view people are still interested in reading them. On Quirke, it is acknowledged here that he is one of the better pundits out there, ex player etc. His views are interesting. That is why my previous post wasn't pointless. I'm fairly sure that before the summer is out you will be referencing what Darragh or Tomas or Keane to Quirke or O'Keeffe or Liston has said. I wont go trawling through your 9 million posts to prove this because I haven't the time but I'm sure you get my point. I'll leave it there.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 26, 2017 21:48:16 GMT
Hmmm..."Discussion" ..... More like yourself getting your jollies by showing how Dublin proved some Kerry scribe wrong. There are so many of them now that its hardly difficult or worthwhile. And its also a bit tiresome
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