Roscommon v Kerry 5/3/2017

[fitz]

Very vulnerable again to direct running, Ro's have wind second half. Maher in for Barry, @30 mins. Moran two undercooked passes aside is having a fine game, one great score. Defo not over

[kerryboy83]

Mark griffin on for Crowley and put him in full back. Why don't they try him out around the middle

[Annascaultilidie]

Dug out a 1-19 to 1-13 win after the Rossies got it back to 1-13 to Kerry's 0-16.

[fitz]

Moran was my motm. Immense second half. 6 points was very flattering. 6 point lead and an extra man and concede 1-2. Still, dug it out. Griffin definitely an option for centre back.

[Annascaultilidie]

Kerry are top scorers in Division 1... only Roscommon have conceded more however.

[dano]

I suppose Ros had their backs to the wall too today and needed a win. A bit of desperation spurred their spirited display. I was frustrated listening to the litany of wides and the missed 45s from Kerry. They didn't wilt though and ground out a win, which is encouraging. Ambrose seemed positive afterwards. Will Donnchadh suffer any consequence from the b.c.? Roll on the Sportsfield and the Dubs now. I was there for their league game in '76, a lovely October afternoon and the biggest crowd I ever saw there.

[greengold35]

Mar 5, 2017 17:35:14 GMT dano said:

I suppose Ros had their backs to the wall too today and needed a win. A bit of desperation spurred their spirited display. I was frustrated listening to the litany of wides and the missed 45s from Kerry. They didn't wilt though and ground out a win, which is encouraging. Ambrose seemed positive afterwards. Will Donnchadh suffer any consequence from the b.c.? Roll on the Sportsfield and the Dubs now. I was there for their league game in '76, a lovely October afternoon and the biggest crowd I ever saw there.

Think Donnchadh could be in trouble as a ban followed by a black card could result in another suspension - only the CCCC will decipher that one! As regards '76, was there too ( cannot believe its 41 years!) and my abiding memory is strangely enough not of the game nor the crowd but the Dubs players arriving to the ground in blacked out limos - it was a show of power, almost regal. Great to have had the last laugh though.

[Deleted]

Good to get the win today. Moran was very good. Thought geaney in 1st half and jod in 2nd half in particular did well also.

Donncha was playing well until the black card.

Murphy played chb but pushed right up as ros dropped deep doing a lot of damage. Not sure why mcstay got so exercised at the end of the first half. Made my day.

Disappointed to see jack Barry withdrawn so early. He was not playing well but still very harsh. Eamonn had half an eye on Dublin I suspect. I was surprised at the substitution of savage though. I thought he did well.

Overall while good to win, ros are no great shakes and two weeks time will tell a lot.

[playitfair]

I understood he was complaining that time was up. Fairly passionate.
I had never seen Kevin Mccarthy before. Looks like he has the physique and skill level at least for intercounty football. Thought he did well as did ronsn Shanahan.

[fitz]

I stayed back afterwards, the subs were taken into one corner for 15 mins of sprint work, including those who came on, Maher the exception. The first 10 mins was short stuff, 50 metres. All sprints timed, with set recovery time and go again. Daz was first mostly(not fully primed either) with Lyno and Mikey closest. Mark Griff struggled. For the final 5 mins, in driving hail they did 4 x 100. Well, Griffin just took off, power running, only Mikey got anywhere near him. Jeremy Warriner/LeShawn Merritt would taken notice. 14 secs, into driving wind.During the match he went on one run, passed 4-5 players. Nobody will lay a paw on him in this mode.

The point. In tight situations, he cannot turn or catch a forward with balance and quick turns, over a short distance. We know this. But in open space, well that's a different story. He could cause absolute wreck with ball in hand. Should be considered for centre back or indeed midfield ONLY.

Killian did well at full back, a crafty fox, but his best work is going forward. I would move Shane to full back, and although I think he gave the penalty away, he's our best defender, tackler and specific man marker. We have cover for the right corner, Beggles, Morley(who was very good, assured and great goal finish).

[clarinman]

I thought it was Morley gave the penalty away. I could not understand why jack Barry was taken off so early. He had just made a great run to set up a good point. Can't be good for his confidence to be taken off after 30 minutes. Why not leave him on until half time?

[stevieq]

Entertaining enough match today in fairness. Although a bit hairy at the end thought the result was never in doubt. Kealy had a good day in goals, kick outs were better and more varied. Moran, (two or three nightmare passes in the first 5 minutes the exception) had a great match thank God. Geaney brilliant, first half especially. JO'D although finished well, doesn't seem to be the huge threat he once was and was easily dispossessed on a few occasions. Stephen O'Brien was the only forward that seems willing and able to take on and run at his man. Griffin, looks very impressive when on the run also. Good to have those points in the bag. Dublin will be a great test of some of the new lads in a couple of weeks time.

[Leathama]

Mar 5, 2017 20:39:10 GMT clarinman said:

I thought it was Morley gave the penalty away. I could not understand why jack Barry was taken off so early. He had just made a great run to set up a good point. Can't be good for his confidence to be taken off after 30 minutes. Why not leave him on until half time?

I think it was Morley who gave away the penalty.

Agreed re the early substitution of Barry. It's almost like he went against instructions, going on a driving run from his midfield berth and was withdrawn for doing so. He did this to great affect against Donegal & Mayo, but not at all against really Monaghan and just the once against Ross. Wonder is Fitz attempting to keep that under wraps? Granted he got beaten in a few of the earlier exchanges under the Ross kickout, I didn't particularly agree with him getting the curly finger so early.

[Deleted]

Kevin mcstay moaning about the ref was pathetic and Dessie Dolan says he was right. Then they provide the evidence which has a couple of marginal calls of which there would be dozens in any game.

[southward]

Great analysis of the game on Allianz League Sunday. Barely a word about the football; instead we're treated to the Kevin McStay Victim Special.

[falveyb2k]

14 minutes from the start of the program to the end of coverage of the Kerry game. About 4 minutes of actual football coverage. And the likes of Brolly and O Rourke have the gall to complain about sky with a straight face.

[playitfair]

For such an enjoyable game, it was a pity there was no focus on it.

[kerrygold]

A nice handy open game of football today and generally entertaining. In the context of modern blanket defensive game this wasn't a first cousin of that game and was generally innocent in that context of the modern game. A soft game of football wouldn't be out of the way in terms of description. Roscommon were poor, Kerry were comfortably better without shooting any lights out. Kerry, in my opinion,for some reason, have regressed since an exceptionally good opening away to Donegal. I think Donegal's position on the league table bears out that game was genuinely a very good opening to the league for Kerry. Take away PG's contribution today and there isn't a lot to write home about from Kerry, no great urgency, no great form, no great great structure or intent.

In response to previous comments written above we can only contemplate that Jack Barry might have been taken off due to fatigue. He has played a huge amount of early season football over the past few weeks. Jim Gavin in today's media had a pop at the demands placed on young college players in the current era. Someone recently on this forum posted up the ridiculous work loads of these players. Secondly Anthony Maher needs game time so it was possibly a balancing of this particular scales. Jack Savage continues to impress me at this level so hopefully the kid is given a 100% genuine chance without prejudice.

McStay went into meltdown at half time by confronting the ref over a referring call just before half time. Opinion in the stands from the locals suggests all is not well in the camp so this is an interesting space in the context of McStay's comments on this evening's news bulletin.

Interesting comments from Fitzwop re Griffin, I cut for the hills after the game so didn't see this workout. Opinion in the south west suggests Griffin might prosper best on the half back line. Hopefully the line will have a degree of open mind of what this player can bring to the team.

Dublin have moved their game on again it would seem judging by last nights game. It is difficult to see Kerry at the moment going toe to toe with Dublin in two weeks time. But we'll see in due course. lots of Kerry support there today, always great to see.

[fitz]

I think it was lucky we had the extra man after their penalty, their dander was well up, they would have been favourites for a breaking ball.

What I noticed today and similarly in the Donegal game at the same juncture, was not a collapse of the team, but more of a malfunctioning of the forwards. As Roscommon chipped back two points, Kerry had three good scoring positions but overcooked handpasses on each occasion, turning over and rousing the homies. Kerry were able to secure enough possession to have thwarted this revival but repeated bad decisions put us under pressure needlessly and could have had greater consequences. Kealy played very well, composed, good kickouts. Unfortunately his two distance frees missed, the second one by miles. JOD started slowly, but was excellent in second half. O'Brien, mixed bag, some brilliant running, linking an showing. Unfortunately a couple of bad unforced plays, hand passes. One straight after half time, he did well to keep a ball in, slipped and just passed it straight to the opposition. I still like him a lot, he creates danger, just needs to milk it.Maher needs game time, quite rusty.

[fitz]

You can tell I don't get to travel often, with all the copy. I thought we got a fair rub from the ref today, I thought he'd have been strung up by full time, the home crowd were apoplectic.

[Deleted]

God they made hard work of it. Jack Savage great first half. David Moran great effort. Played well. Paul Murphy definitely makes the half back line stronger. Again though like fitzwop said poor against the run but we knew that already. I would like the see Mark Griffin tried at no.6 also. Maybe try Morley at No.3. I would stick with Kealy now. This back and forth is no good. Kerry were better today but Roscommon are poor. They are the worst team in the division i would say. They will go down. Kerry next game will really test them now and we'll see how they are looking after that. Dublin look good for this time of year. They have added players like Niall Scully and Conor McHugh to already good forward line. It will be a great test for the Kerry boys.

[Ballyfireside]

***SUBJECT TO VETERANS REPORT***

Wasn't there but on TSG O'Brien classy if we can get more, perfect balance between blooding and winning, putting fellas to the test will reap rewards later on.

McStay has body politic support and rightly so, Kerry are Kerry and a newly formed panel of Rossie u23's could have done us, it was a classy and competitive early March 15 v 15 contest, good luck to Kevin and to hell with his anti sporting begrudgers.

[Jigz84]

It was an entertaining game in a fine venue. Good to get the win. Moran and Savage really stood out. Fair play to Moran, he was much much better yesterday barring a few misplaced passes in the first half. He drove Kerry forward at times yesterday. I thought that Barry was just getting into it when he was taken off, could've been a premeditated move to give him 30 minutes and then the remainder to Maher who was extremely rusty.

Shanahan was very loose in the first half but improved as the game went on. McCarthy was very solid and willing, I like the look of him so far. Donnchadh was playing well before the black card and Morley did fine too. Crowley was poor and his place could be under threat from Griffin in the half-back line.

Movement was good up front for the most part. The Jack Savage experiment at 11 worked well. He can see a pass and he's very comfortable on the ball, an interesting option going forward.

Kevin McStay's behaviour was both amusing and embarrassing. From the first whistle he behaved like a child who had their sweets taken away, contantly in the linesman's ear, hoppping up and down, sending things flying on the line. Just before half-time the referee failed to give a blatant free to Roscommon. McStay lost the plot and verbally abused the referee at half-time and again had words at the start of the second half.

Great support again yesterday.

[veteran]

A few questions for the lads at the match:
1. Any improvement in the kicks out.
2. The lads on the radio said the full back line were struggling at times . All of them or some of them?
3. Where was Mark Griffin positioned when he came on?
4. Was Peter Crowley injured going off or was he playing poorly?
5. Did Kevin McCarthy make an impact?
6. A lot of people were clamouring for BJK to be on from start . How did he do?
7.Kevin McStay was angry with referee. The lads on the radio were questioning a lot of his decisions, including the penalty and ingnorzing black cards, from a Kerry standpoint. Who had most reason for disgruntlement.?

[buck02]

A game that should have been wrapped up with 10 minutes to go, there was absolutely no need for the exciting finish from Kerrys point of view. That killer instinct again lacking a bit.

I watched the movement of Kerry players for the kickouts in the first half and it was very poor. I dont think there is any discernible plan really and all the fault cant be laid of the keepers door. Kealy actually did well yesterday overall. Dealt with a dangerous high ball well and made two standard saves.

Shane Enright was probably the pick of the backs for me. It was 2 v 2 in our last line of defence for all of the game and in this situation I thought Shanahan also did as well as could be expected. Crowley's form is a worry. He was taken off on the back of backing out of a 50/50 ball that led to a Roscommon point - not something you would normally associate with him. Maybe the captaincy thing doesnt suit him?

David Moran was excellent at midfield. Wonder what Skinny Connell will say on the radio this evening. Jack Barry barely got his hand on a ball before he went on the run that Shane Enright scored from.

Kevin McCarthy and Jack Savage did grand in the half forward line, James and especially Geaney were always dangerous inside. BJK wont be happy with his performance.

Kerry got the rub of the green from the ref yesterday, something we dont usually say. Although the penalty looked outside the box.

[buck02]

Mar 6, 2017 9:51:29 GMT veteran said:

A few questions for the lads at the match:
1. Any improvement in the kicks out.
2. The lads on the radio said the full back line were struggling at times . All of them or some of them?
3. Where was Mark Griffin positioned when he came on?
4. Was Peter Crowley injured going off or was he playing poorly?
5. Did Kevin McCarthy make an impact?
6. A lot of people were clamouring for BJK to be on from start . How did he do?
7.Kevin McStay was angry with referee. The lads on the radio were questioning a lot of his decisions, including the penalty and ingnorzing black cards, from a Kerry standpoint. Who had most reason for disgruntlement.?

1 - Nothing major
2 - Shane Enright and Ronan Shanahan had 50 or 60 metres of space in front of them for the entire first half and first 20 mintutes of the 2nd half. In the circumstances I thought they did fine.
3 - Wing back I think
4 - Played bad
5 - Yeah, good worker, good kick passer, he picks out James Donoghue especially well.
6 - Nothing to shout home about really
7 - Roscommon were rightly aggrieved with a number of decisions, he did Kerry no harm (other than the dodgy pen).

[kerrygold]

Mar 6, 2017 9:57:44 GMT buck02 said:

A game that should have been wrapped up with 10 minutes to go, there was absolutely no need for the exciting finish from Kerrys point of view. That killer instinct again lacking a bit.

I watched the movement of Kerry players for the kickouts in the first half and it was very poor. I dont think there is any discernible plan really and all the fault cant be laid of the keepers door. Kealy actually did well yesterday overall. Dealt with a dangerous high ball well and made two standard saves.

Shane Enright was probably the pick of the backs for me. It was 2 v 2 in our last line of defence for all of the game and in this situation I thought Shanahan also did as well as could be expected. Crowley's form is a worry. He was taken off on the back of backing out of a 50/50 ball that led to a Roscommon point - not something you would normally associate with him. Maybe the captaincy thing doesnt suit him?

David Moran was excellent at midfield. Wonder what Skinny Connell will say on the radio this evening. Jack Barry barely got his hand on a ball before he went on the run that Shane Enright scored from.

Kevin McCarthy and Jack Savage did grand in the half forward line, James and especially Geaney were always dangerous inside. BJK wont be happy with his performance.

Kerry got the rub of the green from the ref yesterday, something we dont usually say. Although the penalty looked outside the box.

The win will mask over the cracks for now. If Roscommon had sneaked the win (a second poor refereeing decision for example) this place would be in meltdown today. The power of two points!

There seems to be no planning going into this part of game. A few of the attempted long restarts went awry early in the game.

[Jigz84]

The arsing around with Kealy taking the long range frees has to stop.

[playitfair]

One thing that seems to becoming more evident with each game is the benefits of the "mark", it gives the fielder a pretty quick unobstructed opportunity to deliver a quick ball to the forwards. I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before there will be blocking of this kick or slowing down of the opportunity. From a spectator perspective, it is a positive development.

[kerrysam11]

Mar 6, 2017 12:00:18 GMT playitfair said:

One thing that seems to becoming more evident with each game is the benefits of the "mark", it gives the fielder a pretty quick unobstructed opportunity to deliver a quick ball to the forwards. I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before there will be blocking of this kick or slowing down of the opportunity. From a spectator perspective, it is a positive development.

It's against the rules to do so

"Once the player indicates he is taking the ‘Mark’, the opposing players must retreat 10m to allow the player space to take the kick. If an opposing player deliberately blocks or attempts to block the kick within 10m, or if an opposing player impedes the player while he is taking the kick, the Referee shall penalise the opposing team by bringing the ball forward 13m."