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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 2, 2017 17:55:48 GMT
Just wondered here what people think who will actually be good enough to make the starting 15 from crokes once there finished after paddys day As a Crokes man I would say Shane Murphy, Gavin White and Gooch are good enough to start. Murphy and White are a significant factor in why the Crokes are where they are this year and two of our best players all year. Gooch lacks the pace that once put the fear in the opposition, he could spin the man and bury one into the back of the net....sadly that is gone and that takes a significant part of anyones game. However, he still possesses that ability to control a game and he warrants a selection on the forty IMO. Fionn is a good player but don't think he is good enough to make a Kerry panel especially with the young talent we have in defence. Johnny Buckley on form would rattle the team but has had a fair few injuries of late and probably only warrants a panel selection. Tony Brosnan is a very skilful player and on form he can be deadly but he might do well to make the panel. Crokes have other excellent county championship players but none who would make an impact at inter county level IMO. I really do hope Shane Murphy gets a chance in goals. Very talented player
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 2, 2017 19:21:46 GMT
I wouldn't start Gooch on the 40. Any decent half back would run him into the ground. He'd spend more time in his half back line than on the 40. Unless eamonn can devise a way round this. Which based on previous evidence is doubtful
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Post by kerrythekingdom on Mar 2, 2017 21:26:58 GMT
First off can I say thanks to everyone for the posts over the last few months - I learn so much and enjoy all the posts. Just a few observations - we definitely have become a nicer team over the last couple of years and we've lost that anger that fuelled the likes of Darragh O Se, Galvin, Thomas, Declan etc. We need the bit of madness that a friend of mine from Cork has said has always fuelled Kerry passion to win! We need the anger at playing second fiddle to the Dubs to give our lads the kind of power the teams of 04, 06, 07, and 09 had after losing to Tyrone. I don't know if that fire is there - it was definitely there in 14 but seems to have disappeared- maybe the one All Ireland is enough for some players? Second point is that keeping our shape is vital. We lost to Tyrone over the noughties because Tyrone shaped the game on their terms, Dublin are now doing that to us, especially in the last ten minutes last year. Against Monaghan we played a defensive style we are not culturally comfortable with and we're playing with fear of losing rather than a belief of winning which is more the Kerry way. Sure be defensive minded at times and not let a repeat of the end of 2011 and 2013 happen, but we have to let our players express their skills and talent too
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Post by smokey on Mar 2, 2017 23:35:53 GMT
Shane Murphy should be tried out in goals. I really felt the management team showed a real lack of foresight by not having him in training with the team at least one night a week last year. He was an exceptional case due to his club circumstances and this hindered his development. A night a week with Kerry and a night with Crokes would have been ideal. This would have allowed him to settle in with Crokes and then have the three keepers in training with Kerry and hopefully he would put real heat on the existing keepers. If it didn't work out sure what about it, there was no risk by doing this but it had the potential to have a major upside. Most people would have said he was a player to keep an eye on.
If this was done he now would be comfortable in the set up and who knows even be first choice. There are doubts over both keepers and the mgt team are conservative so there is no way they will drop the two of them. Its too much of a risk now but they could have another experienced option if they tried the above and then being able to try out another keeper as well.
Shane Murphy did after all play in the McGrath Cup last year (was that the year Darragh O'Se was in charge?) so one would presume he was on the radar at that stage. Jack Barry was also in that McGrath Cup team and seen no more when we were crying out for a runner type in midfield. It begs the question did Fitzmaurice put any credit in the Mcgrath cup.
Players are being tried out too late, Gavin Crowley, Jack Barry, Shane Murphy and Kevin McCarthy should have been tried out last year. This mgt team is way too slow in giving youth its shot. Now we have different generations of underage teams all trying to be blooded at the same time leading to some fellas getting no time or little time to make an impact or being tried out out of position while being surrounded by inexperienced players. Not the ideal scenario, if they had tried out 4 or 5 fellas every year and surround them with experienced players we'd know by now whether a good few of them being tried out this year were up to it or not by now.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 2, 2017 23:41:48 GMT
As a Crokes man I would say Shane Murphy, Gavin White and Gooch are good enough to start. Murphy and White are a significant factor in why the Crokes are where they are this year and two of our best players all year. Gooch lacks the pace that once put the fear in the opposition, he could spin the man and bury one into the back of the net....sadly that is gone and that takes a significant part of anyones game. However, he still possesses that ability to control a game and he warrants a selection on the forty IMO. Fionn is a good player but don't think he is good enough to make a Kerry panel especially with the young talent we have in defence. Johnny Buckley on form would rattle the team but has had a fair few injuries of late and probably only warrants a panel selection. Tony Brosnan is a very skilful player and on form he can be deadly but he might do well to make the panel. Crokes have other excellent county championship players but none who would make an impact at inter county level IMO. I really do hope Shane Murphy gets a chance in goals. Very talented player Watching them v Corofin had me comparing how Crokes set out their stall say with the county team. Now I wouldn't be so familiar with individual players, but it is a massive step up. Maybe for starters, one could compare Possibles to their team mates who have already made it - how do these Possibles read the game and anticipate the play, etc. And bearing in mind that one game isn't a definitive guide. Let's see how these guys get on in the final and another reference point would be how Possibles in our other All Ireland Club contenders got on when conscripted by Éamonn. The one thing that sticks out a mile is the pervasive class of puritan skill and which must be the best there is in the game today - but you also need that, let's call it the K Factor, The Kings of Kingdom factor, that greats have - e.g. like Galvin turning around a game v The Rebels, AO'M in '14, the O'6's, etc, etc. That's what we need to win Sam, we just need it to come through and you always have 5-10 on a panel - it is on the way, the dam burst is eagerly awaited! I am told the Rossies is an u23 team and McStay is starting from the ground up, a 3-4 year plan. I know it is a bit off point, but if Mayo have sorted out their parochial issues then it will make for interesting times ahead and where we have teams with formidable skill sets, albeit in the Super 8. I have long made my view known on 'the rest' but I am shot down and forgotten until the evidence unfolds. Is it a random coincidence or what that Leinster is so weak all these years while all the other and less populated provinces have a teams coming through. While I enjoyed Match v Down I am told The Royals have fundamental backroom issues -strange for a county of such pedigree, and stranger still that it isn't sorted.
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Post by listowelemerrs on Mar 2, 2017 23:57:07 GMT
No need to worry of that attackingwingback. Gooch played the 40 role pretty well last year against the dubs. And it's not like it's 6 backs on 6 forwards now. There is sweepers , corner forwards coming out. Wing forward tracking the CB. All changed. Cooper is the only man capable of playing on the 40 bar paul Murphy. Would like to see Darren playing there
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 3, 2017 0:16:01 GMT
No need to worry of that attackingwingback. Gooch played the 40 role pretty well last year against the dubs. And it's not like it's 6 backs on 6 forwards now. There is sweepers , corner forwards coming out. Wing forward tracking the CB. All changed. Cooper is the only man capable of playing on the 40 bar paul Murphy. Would like to see Darren playing there I agree. Darran still has lightning pace and was one of the standout players for me in the Monaghan game despite the "week on the beer" and the injury. Stephen O'Brien was highlighted by some as a ball carrier, but too often runs into traffic. Darran on the other hand, despite not being a huge man, can ride the tackle and often evades two, three tacklers at pace before passing to the player in space. When in front of goal he is a very good finisher. Much like Declan O'Sullivan when used at CHF I think Darran can be deadly in that position. Murphy and Darran are both very good kickers who can kick points, but that means they should also be able to accurately kick pass to the full forward line. I still believe accurate kick passing is still the best way to deliver quality ball quickly to the full forward line and it is the kind of game the minor and U21 teams play. Kick passing and fielding have always been skills associated with Kerry and looking at the Crokes v Corofin, the Junior club final, the Sem games this year, minor games last year and the year before, and so on, it is clear that these skills are still found in Kerry. We have changed the way we play a lot to adapt to packed defences, but maybe we have adapted too much and changed too much.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 3, 2017 9:46:54 GMT
The reference to Darran O'Sullivan and his celebrations with his club and his availability to Kerry seven days later is disingenuous to the lad. Lads reaching that level of fitness to play county football doesn't involve what some have described here during the week. Poor taste and commentary that leaves a lot to be desired.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 3, 2017 9:55:04 GMT
Lads what's the pitch like in Dr Hyde Park? Any chance that this game could be postponed if this heavy rain holds up
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 10:31:21 GMT
I wouldn't start Gooch on the 40. Any decent half back would run him into the ground. He'd spend more time in his half back line than on the 40. Unless eamonn can devise a way round this. Which based on previous evidence is doubtful Who says he has to drift back?? With the way E Fitz is noted for lining out we will have our two half forwards drifting back anyway and if Colm was also to drift back then we are left with no link in the half forward line. I would say to Colm not to focus on tracking back and let the grafting to our half forwards like Donnchadh (who is one of the best in the country at it). I think too many people are taking the AI final against the Dubs in 2015 as an example of why Colm should not be on the forty. Granted, he struggled while tracking Philly Mac that day and it dramatically affected his performance from an attacking perspective but this is an isolated enough case and I cant remember many other games where his focus has had to be on the defensive side. If the CHB wants to go gallivanting up the field then more power to him, I would take my chances on getting a few turnovers and having Colm free to pick our inside line. If he can get on enough ball on the forty it doesn't really matter who we have inside he will put the ball in their mouth. Considering we have two of the best inside forwards in the game I would give us a right chance in beating the dubs with that trio linking up well. For example, look at Eden Hazard this year in comparison to last year. I know it is a completely different sport but there are relevant similarities. Hazard is one of the most influential attackers in the modern soccer game and last year he was forced into tracking the oppositions full backs. His renewed focus on defending culminated in him having an extremely poor season for his own standards. Fast forward to this year and with a new manager his role is to be effective offensively and a change of tactics have ensured that other players have the responsibility of the defensive duties. Maybe we need a change of tactics?? Is E Fitz tactically astute?? IMO....NO. Oh yeah, Eden Hazard is having a brilliant season this year by the way.
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 10:33:47 GMT
The reference to Darran O'Sullivan and his celebrations with his club and his availability to Kerry seven days later is disingenuous to the lad. Lads reaching that level of fitness to play county football doesn't involve what some have described here during the week. Poor taste and commentary that leaves a lot to be desired. Completely agree.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 3, 2017 10:46:06 GMT
The reference to Darran O'Sullivan and his celebrations with his club and his availability to Kerry seven days later is disingenuous to the lad. Lads reaching that level of fitness to play county football doesn't involve what some have described here during the week. Poor taste and commentary that leaves a lot to be desired. I agree. That's why I put it in between quotation marks. Darran, by his own admission though, wasn't sure whether he'd be able to train, let alone play, during the week because of his dead leg. So it's remarkable that only a few days later he is brought on during a game and is one of the standout performers. Given what he has done for Glenbeigh/Glencar I'd forgive him if he'd take two, three, four months out celebrating. He's so committed to fitness, health, his job and to football (club and county) that he was back with the county only a few days later again. Serious player. Has always been underrated in my opinion.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 3, 2017 10:52:11 GMT
Lads what's the pitch like in Dr Hyde Park? Any chance that this game could be postponed if this heavy rain holds up Dr. Hyde Park got a new surface last year. All weather pitch. Nice little stadium. Named after that famous Gael, Douglas Hyde.
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 10:55:26 GMT
Lads what's the pitch like in Dr Hyde Park? Any chance that this game could be postponed if this heavy rain holds up Hyde Park is a big pitch and dimensions would be similar to that of Croker. Surface will cut up in this weather, what surface would not I suppose!!
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 3, 2017 12:16:47 GMT
I wouldn't start Gooch on the 40. Any decent half back would run him into the ground. He'd spend more time in his half back line than on the 40. Unless eamonn can devise a way round this. Which based on previous evidence is doubtful Who says he has to drift back?? With the way E Fitz is noted for lining out we will have our two half forwards drifting back anyway and if Colm was also to drift back then we are left with no link in the half forward line. I would say to Colm not to focus on tracking back and let the grafting to our half forwards like Donnchadh (who is one of the best in the country at it). I think too many people are taking the AI final against the Dubs in 2015 as an example of why Colm should not be on the forty. Granted, he struggled while tracking Philly Mac that day and it dramatically affected his performance from an attacking perspective but this is an isolated enough case and I cant remember many other games where his focus has had to be on the defensive side. If the CHB wants to go gallivanting up the field then more power to him, I would take my chances on getting a few turnovers and having Colm free to pick our inside line. If he can get on enough ball on the forty it doesn't really matter who we have inside he will put the ball in their mouth. Considering we have two of the best inside forwards in the game I would give us a right chance in beating the dubs with that trio linking up well. For example, look at Eden Hazard this year in comparison to last year. I know it is a completely different sport but there are relevant similarities. Hazard is one of the most influential attackers in the modern soccer game and last year he was forced into tracking the oppositions full backs. His renewed focus on defending culminated in him having an extremely poor season for his own standards. Fast forward to this year and with a new manager his role is to be effective offensively and a change of tactics have ensured that other players have the responsibility of the defensive duties. Maybe we need a change of tactics?? Is E Fitz tactically astute?? IMO....NO. Oh yeah, Eden Hazard is having a brilliant season this year by the way. I take what everyone is saying about half forwards playing deep etc. I also know no half decent manager would let Gooch idle on the 40. The problem is that our half forwards normally donnachadha and Paul Murphy when the ball is turned over are back in our half back line. Gooch will be up on the opposite 40 and being marked. He is not going to beat anybody in a straight foot race to possession any more. So our options are to kick a 50/50 ball to him over about 60 yards that will give the back time to pass him out. By pass him altogether with a long ball into the full forward line. Or bandpass or solo the ball upntjr field giving the opposition time to get set. If fitz wants to drop everyone back its pace he needs for this role which means darran
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 13:01:49 GMT
Who says he has to drift back?? With the way E Fitz is noted for lining out we will have our two half forwards drifting back anyway and if Colm was also to drift back then we are left with no link in the half forward line. I would say to Colm not to focus on tracking back and let the grafting to our half forwards like Donnchadh (who is one of the best in the country at it). I think too many people are taking the AI final against the Dubs in 2015 as an example of why Colm should not be on the forty. Granted, he struggled while tracking Philly Mac that day and it dramatically affected his performance from an attacking perspective but this is an isolated enough case and I cant remember many other games where his focus has had to be on the defensive side. If the CHB wants to go gallivanting up the field then more power to him, I would take my chances on getting a few turnovers and having Colm free to pick our inside line. If he can get on enough ball on the forty it doesn't really matter who we have inside he will put the ball in their mouth. Considering we have two of the best inside forwards in the game I would give us a right chance in beating the dubs with that trio linking up well. For example, look at Eden Hazard this year in comparison to last year. I know it is a completely different sport but there are relevant similarities. Hazard is one of the most influential attackers in the modern soccer game and last year he was forced into tracking the oppositions full backs. His renewed focus on defending culminated in him having an extremely poor season for his own standards. Fast forward to this year and with a new manager his role is to be effective offensively and a change of tactics have ensured that other players have the responsibility of the defensive duties. Maybe we need a change of tactics?? Is E Fitz tactically astute?? IMO....NO. Oh yeah, Eden Hazard is having a brilliant season this year by the way. I take what everyone is saying about half forwards playing deep etc. I also know no half decent manager would let Gooch idle on the 40. The problem is that our half forwards normally donnachadha and Paul Murphy when the ball is turned over are back in our half back line. Gooch will be up on the opposite 40 and being marked. He is not going to beat anybody in a straight foot race to possession any more. So our options are to kick a 50/50 ball to him over about 60 yards that will give the back time to pass him out. By pass him altogether with a long ball into the full forward line. Or bandpass or solo the ball upntjr field giving the opposition time to get set. If fitz wants to drop everyone back its pace he needs for this role which means darran Well if any half decent manager is not going to leave him idle on the forty then he is engaging a player and there is no need for him back in his own half back line in the first place is there? Why kick a 50/50 ball? The ball is precious and the point is to give your team the advantage....not to start kicking 50/50 balls from 60 yards. Regardless, he is still well capable of winning a 50/50 ball. It is the sharp turn which he seems to have lost from his unfortunate injury and this affects an inside forward more so than a player playing along the half forward line. You always have to have a link in the half forward line and it is the easiest line of the field to gain possession. Just a question AWB, do you think Colm deserves to start and if so, is that at corner forward?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 13:31:27 GMT
I think our best full forward to beat Dublin or Mayo is 13 Colm Cooper 14 Paul Geaney 15 James O'Donoghue. They are our best chance of scores. Fitzmaurice needs to tell them stay in there . No point having hopping and soloing the ball 50 years out the field . They won't scores out there . Midfield and the half forwards need to leave the ball in quick and fast into them . If you can get a fit and healthy Cooper Geaney and O'Donoghue one on one with their markers they can do damage.
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 13:46:18 GMT
If Colm had not sustained such a horrific injury I would agree with that FF line 100% but I just feel we have enough firepower inside with JOD and Geaney and I feel Colm is the best option on the forty to deliver the ball into them. His range of passing is exceptional and I don't feel like he would struggle to gain possession here.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 3, 2017 13:49:25 GMT
I take what everyone is saying about half forwards playing deep etc. I also know no half decent manager would let Gooch idle on the 40. The problem is that our half forwards normally donnachadha and Paul Murphy when the ball is turned over are back in our half back line. Gooch will be up on the opposite 40 and being marked. He is not going to beat anybody in a straight foot race to possession any more. So our options are to kick a 50/50 ball to him over about 60 yards that will give the back time to pass him out. By pass him altogether with a long ball into the full forward line. Or bandpass or solo the ball upntjr field giving the opposition time to get set. If fitz wants to drop everyone back its pace he needs for this role which means darran Well if any half decent manager is not going to leave him idle on the forty then he is engaging a player and there is no need for him back in his own half back line in the first place is there? Why kick a 50/50 ball? The ball is precious and the point is to give your team the advantage....not to start kicking 50/50 balls from 60 yards. Regardless, he is still well capable of winning a 50/50 ball. It is the sharp turn which he seems to have lost from his unfortunate injury and this affects an inside forward more so than a player playing along the half forward line. You always have to have a link in the half forward line and it is the easiest line of the field to gain possession. Just a question AWB, do you think Colm deserves to start and if so, is that at corner forward? Your missing the whole point.If our two half forwards are back in the half backline then there is no one as an out ball in the half forward line if Just Colm Cooper is there on his own. The point have having someone with goochs vision on the 40 is to capatlise on turnovers and space generated when the opposition attack. How is the ball going to be transferred to the gooch quickly if we turn over the ball in our half backline? By a foot pass. If we hand pass it up the field or solo it its just allows (the dubs and thats who im talking about) time to funnell back and cut off the space getting gooch on the ball early we would hope to exploit. So it has to be a long footpass. Are you really telling me in a race over 10-15 yards for a ball coming in in a sprint you would still fancy Cooper against, a Cian O'Sullivan / Johnny Cooper / Jack McCafery / John Small / McCarthy ? To answer your question his position now more than ever is a corner forward. At full health I would want him in the corner along with JOD and Geaney at full forward. Let him loop on the outside and use his finishing close to goal. That of course be predicated on fitzmaurice actually devising some plan to get the ball in to the full forward line which im not sure he can. And that full forward line must stay inside the wholle time
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 14:04:35 GMT
I'm not missing the point at all.....you're missing my point. JOD and Geaney inside leaves AN Other No.13 drifting out to the half forward line effectively leaving 2 players along the half forward line. We have a link player and essentially a quarterback (Gooch) peeling off the ball winner 40 yards out looking at 2 of the most dangerous inside forwards in the game. If you believe that he is better suited in the FF line that's your opinion you are fully entitled to but any forward who has played at this level will tell you the hardest ball to win is in the FF line and if you don't think he can win a ball from half back line to half forward line I'm not sure how you can see him winning a ball from midfield into FF line?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 14:58:27 GMT
Hugh even more so to keep in the full forward line since his injury. He has lost mobility and speed since his injury . Traits you need to play at No.11 in today's game. He can't run after a fast back up the field now no way. The best way to use gooch now is quick ball into and isolate him . He'll score if he gets good ball and room. There's a big to gooch 2017 to the gooch 2013. I've seen enough of him playing since his injury. This is going to be his last year. The best chance of gooch getting another medal is giving him the chance to do what he has always done best. Get scores.
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Post by kerrythekingdom on Mar 3, 2017 15:13:50 GMT
I agree with nacrocaigh re Gooch - he needs to be inside - I'd prefer to see two from Paul Geaney, JOD, and Gooch in with Star - later introduce the one left out - and keep our shape. Our half forwards can get dragged back at times but the full forward line needs to stay put to stretch the oppositions shape. We were very good in 14 to move the ball fast from backs to forwards and we've slowed that process down in the last year or so. Youth can help with that and so can our pacier players like Stephen O Brien, Lyne, Crowley, Paul Murphy and in midfield Jack Barry, maybe Brendan Sullivan and Griffin could give us legs to counter at pace.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 3, 2017 16:09:04 GMT
So how much of the August/September plan does EF need to show in league games? That's the big question. No point in showing your hand in Hyde Park on the first Sunday in March - that gives six months of time to combat the layout.
Following on from that, a great tradition was the springing of surprise youngsters in big games. Surely it is even more true in 2017 - send a youngster in with the opposition having no "data" on him...nothing since minor or a U21 appearance. The opponents' backroom boys would be in some state trying to get info.
Worked for 10-12 guys in 1975. History repeats itself. Maybe in 2018 or 2019 with 12 of the starting 15 from 2014-2016 minors? That sort of bravery gets rewards. EF seems to go backward to former/recent greats when he sees a great need - that needs to change. A good example was introducing Darran O'Sullivan last week - maybe he should have thrown in a youngster with very specific instructions based on his skill level (for example, run hard at the middle of their defence but under no circumstances take a shot yourself).
If EF does not attempt to reveal the future soon, then someone else will and it might set the whole parade back two years.
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Post by kerrythekingdom on Mar 3, 2017 16:28:43 GMT
I definitely think that EF should start looking at other big man options in FF - I think we've gotten a lot out of Star but a lot of times we've resorted to lamping in aimless ball. The point of the big man in FF is that it draws a couple of defenders in front of goal. That should give players outside a little more space. Against the Dubs etc we need an unpredictable variety and a big man in FF maybe Moran/ Buckley could work. Roscommon and Cavan should be the games a varied approach should be looked at - it's not giving a masterplan away but showing that Kerry have plan A, B & C!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 3, 2017 16:33:39 GMT
So how much of the August/September plan does EF need to show in league games? That's the big question. No point in showing your hand in Hyde Park on the first Sunday in March - that gives six months of time to combat the layout. Following on from that, a great tradition was the springing of surprise youngsters in big games. Surely it is even more true in 2017 - send a youngster in with the opposition having no "data" on him...nothing since minor or a U21 appearance. The opponents' backroom boys would be in some state trying to get info. Worked for 10-12 guys in 1975. History repeats itself. Maybe in 2018 or 2019 with 12 of the starting 15 from 2014-2016 minors? That sort of bravery gets rewards. EF seems to go backward to former/recent greats when he sees a great need - that needs to change. A good example was introducing Darran O'Sullivan last week - maybe he should have thrown in a youngster with very specific instructions based on his skill level (for example, run hard at the middle of their defence but under no circumstances take a shot yourself). If EF does not attempt to reveal the future soon, then someone else will and it might set the whole parade back two years. With Darren's dead leg cured, here was a fella at the top of his fitness for this time of year so it made sense to exploit that opportunity. 1975 was sheer age difference and with Micko was the unknown quantity as a manager, an over confident reignining Dubs were there for the taking. Even with closed training it is impossible to pull fellas out of nowhere, though Cody did it with Walter Walsh, a rookie firing in goals on his inter-county debut in an AI final. I think we are nearing a dam burst, all it takes is for fellas to stand up and play stormers like stars of old, it a kind off takes off and the spirit lifts the set up beyond recognition. The thing is you can't force it, you just do your best and hope it will prevail upon you and it is and was always the same in every team effort on the planet. Keep doing the right things and trust in the auld Fella above. Peter Crowley threatened it and he is solid, a few more and you'd never know how the year might end up. We know the measure of the Dubs and Mayo, and even before reaching our potential we are not that far away. And yes, you will win nothing without top class management and that evidence is laid bare. Éamonn delivered against the odds in '14 by out smarting McGuinness and while he has made a few questionable calls under pressure, I still think he is capable of delivering. The purist in JO'C would disadvantage him in today's game, he is on record as saying that if he departed from that culture he would get 'bata agus bóthair', and we wouldn't want that to happen the poor man would we!
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 16:54:24 GMT
Na crocaigh......If you have seen enough of him since his injury then I'm surprised you think he should be in FF line. How do you think he has done for us this year? He has been named in corner all year, when he has stayed there he has not looked that dangerous with exception of Loughmore Castleiney game. He mainly drifts out and isolates Leary inside and is the main reason Leary has done so well for us this year. I think most people think he should be in the FF line but I think he will struggle in there against the top sides.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 3, 2017 17:58:08 GMT
I'm not missing the point at all.....you're missing my point. JOD and Geaney inside leaves AN Other No.13 drifting out to the half forward line effectively leaving 2 players along the half forward line. We have a link player and essentially a quarterback (Gooch) peeling off the ball winner 40 yards out looking at 2 of the most dangerous inside forwards in the game. If you believe that he is better suited in the FF line that's your opinion you are fully entitled to but any forward who has played at this level will tell you the hardest ball to win is in the FF line and if you don't think he can win a ball from half back line to half forward line I'm not sure how you can see him winning a ball from midfield into FF line? That's fine but we are talking about two different scenarios. I was speaking about Gooch on the forty as a centre forward. Not a withdrawn full forward. If he's not the only member of a half forward line left for an out ball as the two half forwards have dropped back its a different case. If he is looking to pick up handy ball from a primary ball winner that's fair enough. But, I took playing on the 40 to be centre forward which it has always been. Essentially its just the same role as last year.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 18:02:52 GMT
Come on now hugh you're not comparing Crokes with Kerry. Diffent situation all together. Pat O'Shea gives him a license to roam. He won't be playing the Dubs playing with Crokes.
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Post by taggert on Mar 3, 2017 18:49:47 GMT
I can understand the logic of Gooch at 11, he is by far the best passer of a ball and quite a brilliant playmaker. He does not gave a peer in the current squad in this facet of play. Reservations about his ability to win primary possession on the 40, must equally apply in the full forward line. That jinking, turning on a six pence, corner forward that once was Colm Cooper is no more. Play 2 finishers inside - thats JoD and Geaney. Play 2 link men on the 40 - that is Gooch as playmaker and Darren as a speedster to run off and/or support the inside two. Play 2 dogs to drop back and go forward, from Donnacha, Murphy, Lyne et al. Its midfield where our problems have been and that is nothing new. Our penchant for playing 2 big-boned, one-paced fielders has left us high and dry against the Dubs.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 3, 2017 19:45:44 GMT
I think if he keeps going the way he is Jack Barry will take one of the midfield spots. In a straight choice for the other between Maher and Moran i would pick Maher. Unless someone like Mark Griffin or Brendan O'Sullivan become a real option as a midielder then we have a choice of two from those 3.
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