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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2017 23:17:31 GMT
So will it be Jekyll or Hyde Park at the weekend? It will be interesting to see the team when announced and if we will have a backlash to two home defeats.
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 27, 2017 23:31:18 GMT
Brendan Kealy
Shane Enright Killian Young Ronan Shanahan
Paul Murphy Mark Griffin Peter Crowley
Anthony Maher Jack Barry
Brendan O Sullivan Adrian Spillane Donnacha Walsh
Jack Savage James O Donoghue Barry John Keane
Tadgh Morley Gavin Crowley David Moran Kieran Donaghy Stephen O Brien Paul Geaney
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Post by northkerry5 on Feb 27, 2017 23:31:54 GMT
If Kerry lose to Roscommon there's is no doubht they will be massive contenders for relagation. However saying that if Kerry win it puts them in a good position to make a semi final. Kevin mcstays side are on a poor run of form so I'd fancy Kerry to get the win
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2017 23:33:54 GMT
No semi finals this year - straight final between the top two!
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Post by listowelemerrs on Feb 27, 2017 23:34:23 GMT
Just another week until Mark Griffin makes Cathal Cregg look like Colm cooper in his prime.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 27, 2017 23:45:26 GMT
Kelly
Enright Young Shanahan Murphy Crowley Morley
Barry Griffin
D Walsh Spillane O Brien Savage Geaney JOD
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 15:38:22 GMT
Before this League I thought we would beat Donegal, Monaghan, Roscommon, and Cavan. I thought if we got a point or two between Dublin, Tyrone and Mayo then we would be doing good. After watching Kerry in the last two games I can't see us beating Roscommon. I know they are bad but the way we are playing right now It's division 2 football. A big improvement is needed in Roscommon and in every game now just to stay up. kerryboy83 your team makes sense but he won't play Murphy in the backs. He won't drop Moran. Going back to Kelly makes us worse in Goals. He won't play Griffin in midfield. Fitzmaurice is a joke.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 28, 2017 17:20:11 GMT
Hopes of reaching a League Final are not lost yet. A win on Sunday will see Kerry back in the running, especially with Dublin v Mayo and Tyrone v Monaghan taking points off eachother on Saturday night.
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Post by An Tarbh Rua on Feb 28, 2017 18:21:37 GMT
Just another week until Mark Griffin makes Cathal Cregg look like Colm cooper in his prime. Cathal Cregg is not playing this year for Roscommon.
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Post by An Tarbh Rua on Feb 28, 2017 18:25:37 GMT
Before this League I thought we would beat Donegal, Monaghan, Roscommon, and Cavan. I thought if we got a point or two between Dublin, Tyrone and Mayo then we would be doing good. After watching Kerry in the last two games I can't see us beating Roscommon. I know they are bad but the way we are playing right now It's division 2 football. A big improvement is needed in Roscommon and in every game now just to stay up. kerryboy83 your team makes sense but he won't play Murphy in the backs. He won't drop Moran. Going back to Kelly makes us worse in Goals. He won't play Griffin in midfield. Fitzmaurice is a joke. No need to worry Crocaigh. Kerry may be spluttering but nothing compared to Roscommon. Big problems between players leaving panel , injuries low morale and a feeling that the McStay mgt are not up to it. Kerry will win this easily but that should not paper over cracks or get people all excited.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 19:30:31 GMT
I know Tarbh rua Roscommon are poor but they badly need points also and look at our form. Our forwards are not scoring. Our midfield is non existent. Our backs are fouling too much. We have to make changes in every line on Sunday . It's not an easy place to win and they will have big support there. I would go with Kealy again. Kelly is worse and his kickouts are dreadful. Enright Morley and Gavin Crowley the full back line. Murphy Young and Crowley. Griffin and Barry in midfield. Donnacha James O and Spillane . Savage Geaney and Kevin Mac.
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Post by Leathama on Feb 28, 2017 20:34:33 GMT
Kealy will be in goals for the Roscommon game. I believe Fitzmaurice said on RK that he would give Kelly two games, Kealy two games and then make a decision for the Dublin game.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 28, 2017 20:48:55 GMT
They must know their best keeper by now unless we are to assume they are both viewed to be equal. The kickout code hasn't been cracked yet however by Kerry? This may not be the keepers fault either though.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 28, 2017 20:52:22 GMT
Before this League I thought we would beat Donegal, Monaghan, Roscommon, and Cavan. I thought if we got a point or two between Dublin, Tyrone and Mayo then we would be doing good. After watching Kerry in the last two games I can't see us beating Roscommon. I know they are bad but the way we are playing right now It's division 2 football. A big improvement is needed in Roscommon and in every game now just to stay up. kerryboy83 your team makes sense but he won't play Murphy in the backs. He won't drop Moran. Going back to Kelly makes us worse in Goals. He won't play Griffin in midfield. Fitzmaurice is a joke. No need to worry Crocaigh. Kerry may be spluttering but nothing compared to Roscommon. Big problems between players leaving panel , injuries low morale and a feeling that the McStay mgt are not up to it. Kerry will win this easily but that should not paper over cracks or get people all excited. Really, and McStay talks a great game on the box, clip board, ala Franc the wedding planner, and all?
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Post by southward on Feb 28, 2017 22:12:43 GMT
I'll eat my hat if we don't beat Roscommon. And Cavan, for that matter.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 28, 2017 23:06:29 GMT
May 6, 2006 Interview/Jimmy Murray:
Keith Duggan talks to legendary Roscommon footballer Jimmy Murray, the man who captained the county to their first All-Ireland senior football title in 1943
The football used in the 1944 All-Ireland final between Cavan and Roscommon hangs from a metal chain on the dark wooden ceiling in Jimmy Murray's pub in Knockcroghery. It is blackened and a bit battered and all the more powerful for that.
One night in 1990, a fire broke out in the pub, burning half the counter and destroying some of the All-Ireland photographs and memorabilia that Jimmy had placed around the room. The ball was suspended from a piece of string then, and in the heat and tumult it fell to the flames, destined to be cinders. A crowd had quickly gathered in the village trying to fight the fire, and one man dashed into the melting room only to reappear, triumphantly shouting: "I've got the ball. I've got the ball!" "I said something like, 'forget the ball and quench the bloody shop'," laughed Jimmy Murray during the week. "But it would have been a shame if it had gone all right."
Murray captained the 1943 team, the first time that Ros' lifted the Sam Maguire and the beginning of a remarkable period of achievement that becomes more luminous the further into history it retreats. Roscommon won the All-Ireland championship in 1943 and 1944, buckled in 1945 and rose again to produce what Murray believes was their best season of football before losing to Kerry in the All-Ireland final after a replay.
Kerry would defeat the Primrose County in two further successive September showdowns, those of 1962 and 1980, the last appearance by Roscommon on All-Ireland final Sunday. And, as the country feels the tremors of another football championship, Roscommon's record seems a perfect example of just how difficult and elusive the ultimate prize is for all counties other than the eternal giants of the game.
With a small population - the 2002 census had Roscommon at just over 53,000 - less than half that of Galway and Mayo and smaller than Sligo, the county has 19 provincial titles to go with five All-Ireland titles and those immortal back-to-back All-Irelands - a feat that frustrated all contemporary teams. And as Murray says, "People here were stone cracked mad on the football then and they are today, too." Roscommon are undeniably a thoroughbred football county, and yet they are available at odds of 200 to 1 to emulate the feat of the men from half a century ago. No reactionary, Murray is full of praise for the style and speed of the modern game and agrees the business of winning the All-Ireland has become tougher than ever.
"It has all levelled out," he remarked, dapper and nimble and sitting by a pleasant afternoon fire in the family livingroom at the rear of the pub - three hardback scrapbooks packed with photographs and newspaper clippings lie on the table. "In my time, Ulster was Cavan. All the Northern teams have got fierce strong and there are few really weak teams now. There isn't much between most teams on a given day."
When Murray began playing for Roscommon in 1938, the county were graded junior and they lost in the first round of that year's championship to Galway. "It meant our first pick wasn't even good enough to beat Galway's second pick. That was my introduction to Roscommon football."
Bleak as the beginning was, it makes their transformation into a team that would leave an indelible impression on an entire generation all the more impressive. The funny thing is that, in identifying the reasons for their success, Murray hits upon the very reasons that are regarded as vital today - cutting-edge training and a dominant personality. "Dan O'Rourke, no matter what they say about him. He was a politician and a Fianna Fáil TD, as everybody knows, but a great football man. Now, I never voted in my life, but as far as Gaelic football went, he was number one with me. He was a hard man, very strict, a Pioneer, but would smoke away and was a great GAA man. I would say he spent thousands on the GAA. "We were inside at collective training in the old hospital in Roscommon, it was vacant at the time. The wards were there with beds and a kitchen, so it was ideal. He got in a cook and a trainer, and that was all we needed. The GAA eventually banned the collective training because it got too professional, and they were right, too. You left your job for it. "Now, it was tough and enjoyable, but it was a bit professional. You would head down to the pictures in the evening and you would have young lads carrying your boots or your bag for you.
"But Dan's first collective training was in his own house. He had about two big bedrooms and he had a big garage where he kept his cars. And they cleaned it out and brought out 15 beds and we stayed there. "Dan's family - his wife and daughters - fed 20 young lads for two weeks a good breakfast, dinner and supper. And by God, we were well fed. Better food than some of us were used to. He was obsessive, and he had an All-Ireland in mind from the beginning." The team's ascent was slow and formidable. They won the Connacht junior title in 1939 and the All-Ireland a year later. At senior grade, they lost successive Connacht finals to Galway in 1941 and 1942, but had won minor titles in 1939 and 1941.
By 1943, O'Rourke's vision and the totalitarian training methods of Galway man Tom Molloy fell into perfect synchronicity. The county and colours were like a fresh breeze during the staid life in wartime and 63,000 made it to Croke Park to see them face the mighty Cavan.
"The grass looked so green as I ran on to the field and I felt so much alone that I glanced back to see if the rest of the lads were there at all," Murray once said about that moment. Once the game began, though, they played as if to the manor born.
They were feted all that autumn and returned fresh and with confidence soaring, felling giants Mayo, Cavan and Kerry on the way to retaining the Sam Maguire. Their tired, first-round defeat to Mayo in 1945 was no great surprise after those two tremendous years, but 1946 still rankles. "It was the one that got away, unquestionably. Six points up with a few minutes to go? I believe a lot of people had gone. Kerry people often told me afterwards they were on the Jones's Road when they heard the word. They got one soft goal and then a very good one and that was it. Kerry were Kerry. We beat them in 1944, but 1946 was the best football that Roscommon played."
In the finals of 1943/44, both the Cavan and Kerry centre backs were substituted, such was Murray's influence. Significantly, he was on the sideline when the Kingdom made their late comeback half a century ago.
"I got my nose smashed and I was all blood, watching the game from the sideline. So the St John's ambulance men came up to me and said, 'come here until we wipe that blood off you, you will be going up for the Sam Maguire in a few minutes'. They were convinced it was just a matter of getting cleaned up and going up for the bloody cup. Then, sure, disaster struck." A year later, Murray's career was ended by a cruel knee injury. He was aged 30 and believes he had the disposition and fitness to play for another four years. "I was an addict for football, I lived for the bloody game." He still does. At 89, Murray complains that his memory gets fuzzy sometimes, but his voice is as sharp and clear as a whistle, and he still sings a terrific version of The West's Awake. He has an historian's passion for the GAA and collected everything he could that was written about Roscommon during his playing days.
Murray's Bar has become a stopping point for celebrated GAA stars from across the country and he keeps a book of photographs of them all - Eddie Keher, John Connolly, Kevin Heffernan, Brian McEniff, Mattie Gilsenan and generations of Roscommon players.
Of the eight Murray brothers who grew up around this household, four won All-Irelands. Tony was a minor in 1939, Phelim and Jimmy won both junior and senior honours, and Oliver, the youngest, was on the victorious minor team of 1961. It was an extraordinarily rich period, and the eldest of the Murray boys admits that he has often been perplexed and stunned over the years by how thoroughly it disappeared. The team broke up. Dan O'Rourke held his seat for 10 years and went on to become president of the GAA.
Murray does not believe O'Rourke's devotion and influence on Roscommon football helped his political ambitions, however. O'Rourke was honest and dogmatic and did not believe in buttering people up. But nobody could deny his importance to the county.
"We were delighted by what we achieved and maybe our heads got a bit swollen with it. But we never dreamt for a minute that Roscommon would go down so flat and never come back since. I always felt it was only a matter of years before we would come back. And we nearly did a few times."
He sat in the dressingroom in Croke Park before the 1980 final against Kerry, half offering advice and half hoping to pass on the winner's touch through some sort of clairvoyance. "For all the good it did," he laughs now. But he refuses to lose all optimism, arguing with his son John that Roscommon were not so far away in Connacht last year, that they made a hash of two great goal chances which could have turned the game for them. He still ventures up the road to Hyde Park on fine days, talking easily with people who want to come up and shake his hand.
Captaining one's county to a maiden All-Ireland title bestows a lasting fame upon a man and Murray accepts it for what it is.
Not so long ago, he was introduced to the writer John McGahern, who politely asked for his autograph, being of the generation of children thrilled by the feats of Murray, Carlos, Keenan and McQuillan. Murray was equally keen to get McGahern's autograph, and so the pair swapped signatures.
There are not so many of the great Roscommon team left now, so there is something majestic about that wrecked, totemic football hanging in a bar on the main road from Roscommon to Athlone.
We spoke for a while about the likely conquerors in the upcoming championship, and Jimmy Murray shook his head as if it were a fascinating puzzle.
"Hard to know. Hard to know. The Northern teams will be strong. And you can never write off Kerry. You never can." That much never changes.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 28, 2017 23:15:27 GMT
I think this is a must win. Lose this one and we're looking at Division 2 for next year. We need to beat Roscommon and Cavan, both tough enough, and Tyrone or Dublin. If Kerry only manage to beat the minnows in the division and only stay up because they won those games we will be perceived as weak and open to failure. Given we have both Dublin and Tyrone at home we simply have to win one of those games, if not both. If we can't beat Roscommon, with all due respect to them, we have no hope at all later on in the season. Not only do we need to beat Roscommon, in my opinion we also need to win well and show we can play better than we have done so far.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 1, 2017 10:54:11 GMT
Looking at who is available the next day there wont be too many changes against Roscommon.
Kealy will start in goals. I think he might bring Lyne back wing back, move Morley midfield with Moran and give Jack Barry a break, perhaps bring him on with 25 minutes to go.
If Donnchadh and Darran are both available against Roscommon the next day I would start them in the half forward line with Paul Murphy. Leave Paul and Donnchadh do the link work and keep Darran as close to goal as possible. I'd give Jack Savage another start, maybe a bit less pressure on him playing away from home. If Paul Geaney isnt right, and with Dublin on the horizon, I'd nearly rest him. That would bring BJK into the equation to start. The main problem with that forward line is they are small and not really suited to heavy underfoot conditions.
Roscommon were woeful against Mayo but they should have beaten a Donegal side who drew with Dublin. The pressure is on everybody now, I think there are a lot of fellas playing for their futures with up to a dozen players potentially to return to that panel.
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Post by piggott on Mar 1, 2017 11:23:30 GMT
we probably lose to Roscommon, and then spring the surprise of the year and beat the Dubs!
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 1, 2017 13:19:58 GMT
Hard to believe Paul Geaney was started against Monaghan if he wasn't right in the first place. Makes no sense if true.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 1, 2017 14:52:55 GMT
we probably lose to Roscommon, and then spring the surprise of the year and beat the Dubs! It's a nice thought but I've a feeling Mayo could be the team that takes Dublin down first next Saturday evening.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 1, 2017 15:17:14 GMT
we probably lose to Roscommon, and then spring the surprise of the year and beat the Dubs! It's a nice thought but I've a feeling Mayo could be the team that takes Dublin down first next Saturday evening. Dublin wont be as generous as Kerry were if Mayo play like they did in the first half in Tralee.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 1, 2017 17:21:23 GMT
I really hope we don't underestimate Roscommon like we did last year. Like last year Kevin McStay has already said he is targeting certain games in the league. Obviously, they are seen as one of the teams to go down, but if they can beat us at home it might be coming down to our game against Cavan or the need to win our remaining two home games. Given our collapses in the second half and our vulnerability in the backs I think most counties will fancy their chances against Kerry by now. How far we have fallen from the team that everyone in Ireland feared to the team that can now bullied out of games. Roscommon are much more dangerous than we might expect despite losing a lot of players. They play to their abilities and play as football should be played in my opinion. Credit to Kevin McStay for making Roscommon a free scoring team again. They don't have the talent or the resources other counties have,but they are definitely improving. If they beat Kerry and Cavan they might get another year in division 1, against all odds.
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Post by fitz on Mar 2, 2017 0:53:14 GMT
Depressing doomsday reading. Talk that the season is over if we lose or obviously worse, get relegated.
The race to the worst, never faster. Granted, the last 1.5 games have been bilge, but the good form shown in the first 1.5 games is there too, not negated, just overshadowed
From Fitz' side the goalkeeping situation is hard to fathom when both will cost us against Dublin and likely Tyrone and Mayo, so why is he persisting without trying another?
A lot of folk thought Darran shouldn't have played, the 'on the beer' card I suggest was overplayed. I think he's exactly someone who should be playing all games now. He's had busy time recently but for the last 4-5 years has spent more time injured. A strong hard runner option in struggling forward line in soft ground, is to be grasped.
There's been lots of Fitz slamming going on generally and there's definitely criticism warranted, but I've seen a number of posted teams with players move from backs to midfield, to forwards, seems like straw clutching.
So, can we argue to get a team,from the existing panel (no missing 21s or Crokes players)only that if was in place, and were to lose, the only excuse would be "not good enough".
My effort
Kealy Enright Young(FB) Morley Crowley Barry(CB) Murphy
Maher Moran
Darran Donnacha O'Brien
JOD Geaney Savage/BJK
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 2, 2017 7:45:55 GMT
Depressing doomsday reading. Talk that the season is over if we lose or obviously worse, get relegated. The race to the worst, never faster. Granted, the last 1.5 games have been bilge, but the good form shown in the first 1.5 games is there too, not negated, just overshadowed From Fitz' side the goalkeeping situation is hard to fathom when both will cost us against Dublin and likely Tyrone and Mayo, so why is he persisting without trying another? A lot of folk thought Darran shouldn't have played, the 'on the beer' card I suggest was overplayed. I think he's exactly someone who should be playing all games now. He's had busy time recently but for the last 4-5 years has spent more time injured. A strong hard runner option in struggling forward line in soft ground, is to be grasped. There's been lots of Fitz slamming going on generally and there's definitely criticism warranted, but I've seen a number of posted teams with players move from backs to midfield, to forwards, seems like straw clutching. So, can we argue to get a team,from the existing panel (no missing 21s or Crokes players)only that if was in place, and were to lose, the only excuse would be "not good enough". My effort Kealy Enright Young(FB) Morley Crowley Barry(CB) Murphy Maher Moran Darran Donnacha O'Brien JOD Geaney Savage/BJK Really hope he try's a different midfield partnership this weekend that doesn't include Moran. He has played 3 games now and he hasn't exactly set the world alight
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Mar 2, 2017 10:00:55 GMT
I would like to see Maher and Jack Barry at some stage. Maher is always the one to anchor midfield and drop back when his partner or a back goes forward.
Think he is a better foil for Barry. Also I think he is as good if not a better fielder than Moran. And he's well able to give long kick passes.
I think out of our backs young enright and Crowley are definites. Mark Griffin struggled against a small nippy player in Moran and a big man against Monoghan so I don't see him as a full back. Eamonn either needs to find a position that suits or get rid of him.
I listened to terrace talk podcast and would agree totally with that Patsy lad about the Kerry line being poor.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Mar 2, 2017 12:58:48 GMT
Just wondered here what people think who will actually be good enough to make the starting 15 from crokes once there finished after paddys day
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Post by kot on Mar 2, 2017 13:24:21 GMT
I would like to see Maher and Jack Barry at some stage. Maher is always the one to anchor midfield and drop back when his partner or a back goes forward. Think he is a better foil for Barry. Also I think he is as good if not a better fielder than Moran. And he's well able to give long kick passes. I think out of our backs young enright and Crowley are definites. Mark Griffin struggled against a small nippy player in Moran and a big man against Monoghan so I don't see him as a full back. Eamonn either needs to find a position that suits or get rid of him. I listened to terrace talk podcast and would agree totally with that Patsy lad about the Kerry line being poor. Is it just me or has anyone else thought Crowley has been very poor so far this year?
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 2, 2017 15:45:12 GMT
I would like to see Maher and Jack Barry at some stage. Maher is always the one to anchor midfield and drop back when his partner or a back goes forward. Think he is a better foil for Barry. Also I think he is as good if not a better fielder than Moran. And he's well able to give long kick passes. I think out of our backs young enright and Crowley are definites. Mark Griffin struggled against a small nippy player in Moran and a big man against Monoghan so I don't see him as a full back. Eamonn either needs to find a position that suits or get rid of him. I listened to terrace talk podcast and would agree totally with that Patsy lad about the Kerry line being poor. Is it just me or has anyone else thought Crowley has been very poor so far this year? I agree that he has been poor but would have to question his role/position - he was asked to play sweeper against Mayo following Killian Young's departure but it did not happen for him; as for last Sunday, not sure where he was playing or the role he was asked to perform- in the first half when we had a free he was about 20 metres from the Monaghan goal in our full forward line.
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 2, 2017 17:29:13 GMT
Just wondered here what people think who will actually be good enough to make the starting 15 from crokes once there finished after paddys day As a Crokes man I would say Shane Murphy, Gavin White and Gooch are good enough to start. Murphy and White are a significant factor in why the Crokes are where they are this year and two of our best players all year. Gooch lacks the pace that once put the fear in the opposition, he could spin the man and bury one into the back of the net....sadly that is gone and that takes a significant part of anyones game. However, he still possesses that ability to control a game and he warrants a selection on the forty IMO. Fionn is a good player but don't think he is good enough to make a Kerry panel especially with the young talent we have in defence. Johnny Buckley on form would rattle the team but has had a fair few injuries of late and probably only warrants a panel selection. Tony Brosnan is a very skilful player and on form he can be deadly but he might do well to make the panel. Crokes have other excellent county championship players but none who would make an impact at inter county level IMO.
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