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Feb 25, 2017 12:17:09 GMT
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Post by playitfair on Feb 25, 2017 12:17:09 GMT
Think this is the start of a positive development in the all-ireland football championship. Cannot really understand the criticism.
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Post by ballybunion on Feb 25, 2017 14:53:50 GMT
70% of players club and county are opposed 76% of delegates vote for.I think it's been a bad day for club football.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 25, 2017 15:00:13 GMT
Can't understand how anyone would think this is a good idea. The same 8 teams will show up each year with the weaker counties finding it even harder to find a spot in a semi-final. At provincial level nothing really changes.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 25, 2017 15:19:22 GMT
What will it change, really? It's just moving the chairs around.
Read an interview with Duffy yesterday. Basically he said the provincial c'ships aren't working and the qualifiers aren't working. So how does this Super 8 help the provincial c'ships and the qualifiers?
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Feb 25, 2017 15:59:25 GMT
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Post by playitfair on Feb 25, 2017 15:59:25 GMT
It will make the business end more competitive with more meaningful games. The reality is that the weaker teams cannot compete at the business end. Indeed the league proves that. What are the gaa going to do? Introduce a handicap system for the stronger teams?
Separately if anyone watched congress in action this morning. It was most impressive. I may not agree with all their decisions, however it is most democratic and transparent.
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Feb 25, 2017 16:29:24 GMT
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 25, 2017 16:29:24 GMT
It will make the business end more competitive with more meaningful games. The reality is that the weaker teams cannot compete at the business end. Indeed the league proves that. What are the gaa going to do? Introduce a handicap system for the stronger teams? Separately if anyone watched congress in action this morning. It was most impressive. I may not agree with all their decisions, however it is most democratic and transparent. Not sure if it will make games more competitive. If you win your first two , it makes the third game a dead rubber irrespective of where it's played- maybe introducing a bonus point system would get around this but one step at a time.
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Post by keane on Feb 25, 2017 18:53:53 GMT
Can't understand how anyone would think this is a good idea. The same 8 teams will show up each year with the weaker counties finding it even harder to find a spot in a semi-final. At provincial level nothing really changes. Which 8?
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Post by glengael on Feb 25, 2017 19:05:24 GMT
I presume it's the 8 who qualify for the quarter finals using the existing qualifier /provincial system. that would be Dublin plus 7 others at the moment...........
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Post by keane on Feb 25, 2017 19:30:32 GMT
If memory serves me Kerry, Cork, Limerick, Clare and Tipperary have all been in the quarter finals in the last seven or eight years so presumably it's that five plus Dublin, Mayo and some mob from Ulster
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Feb 25, 2017 20:54:09 GMT
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Post by tommynk on Feb 25, 2017 20:54:09 GMT
It surely stands to the team with the bigger/ better panel ( Dublin) More games would probably mean more injuries suspensions If a team knocked out in the first round got to the final they would have to play 8 games min? ( I just put a rough figure on that)
If they want to change why keep the proventials. ?
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Post by MeathExile on Feb 25, 2017 21:15:48 GMT
This Super 8 is a joke.....really smacks of Grab All Association - looking to get more money into the coffers is the main reason. Will be interesting to see what the attendances will be like - I cant see many people forking out money for travel and tickets for 3-5 matches over July-August period. It piles more workload on the players and will only lead to the top 3/4 going further ahead of the pack. Utter nonsense.
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 25, 2017 23:08:07 GMT
This Super 8 is a joke.....really smacks of Grab All Association - looking to get more money into the coffers is the main reason. Will be interesting to see what the attendances will be like - I cant see many people forking out money for travel and tickets for 3-5 matches over July-August period. It piles more workload on the players and will only lead to the top 3/4 going further ahead of the pack. Utter nonsense. Imagine Kerry folk heading to Donegal one week, Dublin the next, then a match at home. All likely sandwiched between a Munster final and AI semi. Add in tickets for the missus and a couple of childer, and that's an expensive summer!
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Post by thebluepanther on Feb 26, 2017 1:33:40 GMT
Can't understand how anyone would think this is a good idea. The same 8 teams will show up each year with the weaker counties finding it even harder to find a spot in a semi-final. At provincial level nothing really changes. While there is a few different topics which could be discussed about the pros and cons of this decision, the think of the weaker county arguement for me doesnt hold any water. The weaker counties I think should be competing for something tangible and the likes of Leitrim, Wicklow, Carlow. Antrim, Longford, to name a few really should be in a competition that's worth training for and will keep kids in the county interested. Getting hammered by Dublin or Kerry isn't going to help this. Which will happen no matter what format is in place. They need their own proper thought out championship. Presently the current system only gets interesting at quarterfinal stage, the provincials are outdated. so something has to be done. But the problem is the top teams are ploughing ahead regardless in fitness , nutrition and coaching. basically professional in approaches to games , this has the effect of alienating the club team. This current decision by headquarters could drive a further wedge between club and county and it's all about the money unfortunetly. Which in any other sport is understandable, but in GAA the clubs are the foundations of the empire and while extra revenue is always needed if they are not careful everything could become very unstable. Personally I prefer league to early championship because of closer games, this 2 group format will certainly give this and from a selfish point of view I will look forward to being guaranteed 3 or 4 games in the summer involving my county. But for the clubs it' could be a different story.
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Post by glengael on Feb 26, 2017 11:07:55 GMT
As I understand it this format will create extra games and the end date for the final has been brought forward by a month. And this will help with fixture congestion
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Post by kingdomkerry on Feb 26, 2017 11:28:33 GMT
Deserves a chance. My biggest reservation is that there is no reward for provincial winners. Should be two home games for all provincial winners and not just Dublin. Don't expect GAA and media bias towards Dublin to change now that John Horan has been elected. Looking forward to big quarter finals in Killarney and travelling somewhere else for a big game rather than Crokes Park.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 26, 2017 12:19:07 GMT
Will Dublin's home game be played in Parnell Park. If not it will finally put that nonsense to bed about Croke Park not being their home ground.
I look forward to the Super 8 system. How will it effect the weaker counties. They won't be in the closing stages anyway. Thats what happens when you are not good enough to get to the latter stages of any competition.
However I fear vested interests will aggitate and encourage boycotts etc.
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Super 8
Feb 26, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 26, 2017 12:32:55 GMT
As I understand it this format will create extra games and the end date for the final has been brought forward by a month. And this will help with fixture congestion Yeah I wondered about that myself.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 26, 2017 12:36:50 GMT
I reckon we all know the answer already Sully.Will be interested to see the impact on my Croke Park schedule.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 26, 2017 13:26:06 GMT
Can someone please explain what the changes are to the Championship structure?
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Feb 26, 2017 14:18:08 GMT
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Feb 26, 2017 14:18:08 GMT
Can someone please explain what the changes are to the Championship structure? Not much. Instead of 4 QFs, there'll be 2 groups of 4 teams. They'll play each other once - one H match, one A, one in Croke Park. Top 2 in each progress to semis.
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Feb 26, 2017 17:31:51 GMT
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2017 17:31:51 GMT
By and large crowds turn out for knock out football - this round robin system will produce the odd big fixture but will become tiresome over time and numbers will be disappointing.
Championship has always been about knock out football - games that have no back door. The fascination with back doors and second chances has diluted the championship in my opinion.
Kildare made the QF a few years ago and got hammered by Kerry - would a Super 8 have suited them then. Unfortunately there are only 3-4 teams in any given year that have a realistic chance of winning an AI and no amount of farting about with the format will change that. Meantime the club scene is told play in the shoulder season.
The ultimate solution is to play all the provincial and league fixtures with the top 8 making it to the AI (a provincial winner with next best 4 from league or 2 from league and 2 from the B championship)- then play the QF & SF on a home and away basis with a straight final.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 26, 2017 20:52:07 GMT
Hard to get the head around it.
One thing sticking out is that August is holiday time so maybe the GAA is dipping into that market, and with the economy improving there is more consumer spend to be won.
I had a simple solution, have say 3/4 AI Championship competitions, with teams grouped by level of when knocked out in a given year. That eliminates mis-matches and gives weaker teams some incentive, bringing them on in leaps and bounds as they play teams at their level. Let's face it -most players and counties have no prospect of ever winning silver unless such a plan is adopted. Look at how Kerry hurlers appreciated The Christy Ring Cup and we now have our sights on building for better things. Football in most counties is like hurling was in Kerry before this in terms of significance, and I mean no offence to the gallant efforts of that noble fraternity - Jack O'Connor says he has to work twice as hard to get the same recognition as others so hurlers must be working ten times harder.
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Post by ballynamona on Feb 26, 2017 21:45:23 GMT
The objection is that there is nothing done for most county and club players. The focus is on the business end, making the product attractive for Sky Sports.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2017 9:12:43 GMT
Amusing to hear Early whinging over the weekend about the GPA players not being consulted about change. Early endorsed pay per view late last year without consulting the grassroots supporters. Give us a break Dermot like a good man and get off the pedestal. Incidentally, the Super 8 sounds like a brand ready made for Sky to latch onto. Maybe we should deliver some cake to the GPA offices in Croker for the lads.
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Post by glengael on Feb 27, 2017 18:56:39 GMT
Amusing to hear Early whinging over the weekend about the GPA players not being consulted about change. Early endorsed pay per view late last year without consulting the grassroots supporters. Give us a break Dermot like a good man and get off the pedestal. Incidentally, the Super 8 sounds like a brand ready made for Sky to latch onto. Maybe we should deliver some cake to the GPA offices in Croker for the lads. The thought re Sky occured to me also. In a summer of Euro Soccer Finals + an Olympics, say 2020, and there's this new GAA match filled August, who is going to step in and relieve the pressure on RTE's hard pressed sports Department and provide coverage and lots of razz ma tazz? Answers on a postcard ( along with your credit card details of course).
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 27, 2017 20:08:15 GMT
This Super 8 is a joke.....really smacks of Grab All Association - looking to get more money into the coffers is the main reason. Will be interesting to see what the attendances will be like - I cant see many people forking out money for travel and tickets for 3-5 matches over July-August period. It piles more workload on the players and will only lead to the top 3/4 going further ahead of the pack. Utter nonsense. Imagine Kerry folk heading to Donegal one week, Dublin the next, then a match at home. All likely sandwiched between a Munster final and AI semi. Add in tickets for the missus and a couple of childer, and that's an expensive summer! Get rid of the wife and children, simple
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Post by hurlingman on Feb 27, 2017 20:14:49 GMT
It will make the business end more competitive with more meaningful games. The reality is that the weaker teams cannot compete at the business end. Indeed the league proves that. What are the gaa going to do? Introduce a handicap system for the stronger teams? Separately if anyone watched congress in action this morning. It was most impressive. I may not agree with all their decisions, however it is most democratic and transparent. I think thats the only thing that would make them happy, but they'd more than like still complain about it. I really dont know what they want. They claim they wont train all year to play in a ''B'' championship, yet they will to get beat by 20 plus points in not one but two championships that most will never even come close to winning. Some of the ''weaker'' counties have only won 2/3 qualifier games in the 15 plus years they've been around. I think this idea is worth looking at anyway. Its much better than the ''champions league style'' draw they always go on about. Another that i've never been able to see how it would sort out things
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2017 20:46:03 GMT
The Super 8 is well worth a shot as is not going to replays. So Tipp, Clare, Galway, Kildare, Monaghan and Fermanagh wouldn't have benefited from being involved in the Super 8 over the past two seasons? I think were listening to a lot of waffle regarding this concept not doing anything for the weaker counties! A lot of counties can realistically strive for the super 8.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 28, 2017 9:41:08 GMT
The Super 8 is well worth a shot as is not going to replays. So Tipp, Clare, Galway, Kildare, Monaghan and Fermanagh wouldn't have benefited from being involved in the Super 8 over the past two seasons? I think were listening to a lot of waffle regarding this concept not doing anything for the weaker counties! A lot of counties can realistically strive for the super 8. Agreed. If I understand correctly, last year's 2 groups would've been Kerry, Galway, Donegal, Mayo and Dublin, Tyrone, Tipperary, Clare. In 2015 it would've been Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal and Mayo, Monaghan, Kildare, Fermanagh.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 28, 2017 9:57:04 GMT
The Super 8 is well worth a shot as is not going to replays. So Tipp, Clare, Galway, Kildare, Monaghan and Fermanagh wouldn't have benefited from being involved in the Super 8 over the past two seasons? I think were listening to a lot of waffle regarding this concept not doing anything for the weaker counties! A lot of counties can realistically strive for the super 8. Agreed. If I understand correctly, last year's 2 groups would've been Kerry, Galway, Donegal, Mayo and Dublin, Tyrone, Tipperary, Clare. In 2015 it would've been Kerry, Dublin, Tyrone, Donegal and Mayo, Monaghan, Kildare, Fermanagh. I don't see whats not positive about that for the weaker counties. Factor in also no replays and September freed up for club football. These extra two games will be played in what were ridiculously long idle windows in any case. Is the modern GAA is all about whinging? Good piece from Mike Quirke, a good antidote to all the bull being peddled since the weekend. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mike-quirke-whats-with-the-borderline-hysteria-443985.html
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