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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 26, 2017 20:30:01 GMT
They have to have a look at Kevin McCarthy, Conor Keane, Adrian Spillane etc to see how they perform in a competitive situation.No time now for trying guys out against Roscommon. County board have got to appeal BS red card, it was just a push.If he was from Cork Dublin or Mayo he would be available next Sunday. I was in the terrace and it looked like he through a punch.
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Post by kerry4life on Feb 26, 2017 20:30:57 GMT
Lads today for me sums up the last few years and most likely the next year or two or as long as Fitz is in charge. I am notso much talking about the performance today, many of the players were poor so you can not blame Fitz for that. I am talking about bringing on Sheehan and Maher, lads we know what to expect now from the likes of Sheehan, Maher, Moran. Look I know you have to put out so many experienced guys but I really thought 2017 was the year to try out and stick with a few new guys and for me losing with many new lads would be acceptable as we tried new things and are learning what might work along with giving the youth experience. Sheehan, Moran and Maher are a year older and to be honest have not been up to the grade needed to beat the Dubs. Obviously I am not blaming them alone but all I am saying is why are we playing lads that we know exactly what we are getting in positions that we are struggling in over the last few years. Why not throw Spillane out Midfield or try something new blast it. Why is Fitz so reliant on the old guard, if Marc and Aidan didnt retire he would also have them on the panel. Even playing Lyne and O Brien and Darren could be seen as a wasted opportunity as we know exactly what we can get from those lads. Anyway it seems obvious to me that we are heading back down the same road and will still face the same issues in the summer, how can we expect to beat Dublin when we are playing the same lads in the same problem areas we have had against them over the last few years. All that is happeneing is those same players are getting older and slower.
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 26, 2017 20:59:35 GMT
That was one of the poorest games I have witnessed Kerry play in a very very long time. David Moran has lost form alarmingly. Passing was horrible. Kickouts were dodgy on a few occassions. Sheehan set a world record for the least time on a pitch.
It made for a depressing drive back up the country.
I dont think I want to watch League Sunday.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 26, 2017 21:25:55 GMT
How many years is it since Kerry won a league game in Killarney in February?
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Post by kerry4life on Feb 26, 2017 21:38:32 GMT
They have to have a look at Kevin McCarthy, Conor Keane, Adrian Spillane etc to see how they perform in a competitive situation.No time now for trying guys out against Roscommon. County board have got to appeal BS red card, it was just a push.If he was from Cork Dublin or Mayo he would be available next Sunday. I was in the terrace and it looked like he through a punch. He struck another player in the face while on the ground. Straight Red for sure
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Post by seaniebo on Feb 26, 2017 21:40:08 GMT
I was in the terrace and it looked like he through a punch. He struck another player in the face while on the ground. Straight Red for sure 100% red
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 21:46:53 GMT
They were Dreadful today. They are going backwards with Fitzmaurice for sure. They will be lucky to stay up now. Some of them just not County standard.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 26, 2017 21:54:44 GMT
That was one of the poorest games I have witnessed Kerry play in a very very long time. David Moran has lost form alarmingly. Passing was horrible. Kickouts were dodgy on a few occassions. Sheehan set a world record for the least time on a pitch. It made for a depressing drive back up the country. I dont think I want to watch League Sunday. David Moran was carrying an injury ( calf muscle) after the Mayo game and only trained once this week- just wonder was he fit to play at all.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 26, 2017 22:05:19 GMT
I hadn't expected to see Darran v Monaghan, I'm sure he was celbrating with Glenbeigh for a couple of days and he was hardly able to walk off the pitch after that match.
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Post by bannerman on Feb 26, 2017 22:15:26 GMT
Kerry most certainly should not appearing Sheehan red card. He raised his hand and struck opponent That is a deserved red card He looked fit and made super catch but eamon had words with him coming off and was not happy Eamon and players are doing their best I am sure but he needs to pull a few players out of the fire for a while like Griffin Also what his thinking with Lyne? Wing forward v Donegal, wing back v mayo, wing forward v Monahan Give him chance one position
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 26, 2017 22:27:40 GMT
We were horrific today, at times. We played better when the game was gone from us. Our passing was dreadful, shooting abysmal and our work rate was miles below that of Monaghan. Monaghan took a leaf out of the Mayo book today. They bossed us physically and controlled possession and the tempo of the first half. They played very well and deserved their victory. Their use of the ball was excellent and we never looked like we were going to win today, I thought. Eamon Fitzmaurice will have the rubber beaten off the steering wheel on his short journey home this evening, it must have been very frustrating for him to watch. However, we need to be patient, a lot of these lads are getting some harsh lessons and it will stand to them. As for the knee jerk reactions calling for Fitzmaurice's head, it just beggars belief. There were chances there today that should have been taken and weren't. There's little a manager can do in that situation. Turnovers leading to scores, very little he can do about that, to be fair. Likewise, saying that some of these players have no under age pedigree? If under age pedigree was the only way of selecting players for the county panel then the likes of Brian Fenton and Johnny Doyle would beg to differ. 2 home games and 2 home defeats, we should be sitting on 6 points by the time Dublin come to town. I think division one consolidation and blooding a lot of young players would be an excellent way to end our league campaign, no matter how painful defeats are. League is for learning, championship is for winning. Keep the faith, Ciarrai Abu.
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Post by taggert on Feb 26, 2017 22:29:30 GMT
Fitzwop, if you were trying to grasp some consolation from Dublin drawing with Donegal, I woukd urge some caution. They rested Brigan, Andrews, Flynn, Connolly, McCauley, CianOSull and James McCarthy to bame some household names. Flynner and MdM came on as subs but make no mistake about it, Dublin are in a different squad space to Kerry at tge moment.
Kerry midfield and forwards were horrific today. We seem to have an endless supply of forwards who run everywhere except at the opposition goal and Jack Savage is the latest - constantly coming out to the midfield area and making a meaningless hand and kick passes. We need forwards that have some cut and thrust, a willingness and ability to take on and beat a man and hurt the opposition on the bloody scoreboard.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 26, 2017 23:02:14 GMT
Well said, unfortunately Brendan got injured late last year and it seems to have set him back a lot. I would urge Fitzie to persist and take him for one on one training as we need big men with speed. Dublin did the same with Eoghan o Gara, a junior footballer with a very poor skill set. He is still very average but he is very useful in very physical games, eg last weeks game v |Tyrone he played well. Is he fully fit again now. Small crafty skillfull forwards are too easily swatted aside by the likes of Dublin and Mayo defensives. These are the only teams that Kerry needs to be concerned about. Something new is needed to deal with them to break them down and powerful direct running has to be one option. Kerry could have done with some one like Brendan OSullivan today to run at pace through the middle and draw fouls. I watched Dublin v Donegal today and lost count of the number of times this tactic was tried and worked. Darren and Maher made a bit of a difference by direct running. Every other teams does this to draw fouls. Monaghan are a great GAA county, about half the size of Kerry and I salute their efforts. I think twas Paul Murphy put Moran through for the goal and Paul has the ability to kick a point from distance so I would be for keeping him up front. He seems a natural half forward to me. Geaney was half fit due to hamstring. James ODonoghue needs space to sparkle. I would never play him in the corner. Donnacha was missed. Kerry need to devise some plan to deal with the massed defense or a defense that plays a sweeper. Every county struggles in dealing with this and kicking long range points or running at the defense and drawing fouls are what most other the others do.
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Post by clarinman on Feb 26, 2017 23:10:11 GMT
Today showed how important Donnacha is for us. He is always showing and making a hard run when we bring the ball out of defence. Today we had Crowley and young bringing the ball out of defence with the 3 half forwards behind them. Did anyone else notice the frustration from James and Paul in the first half. Twice in the first half we moved the ball fast - Moran's goal and geaneys miss. Both involved quick kick passes out of defence. After that it was back to handpassing or soloing out while Monaghan funneled most of their team back into the 45.
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 26, 2017 23:16:23 GMT
However, we need to be patient, a lot of these lads are getting some harsh lessons and it will stand to them. Brendan Kealy Shane Enright Mark Griffin Killian Young Tadhg Morley Peter Crowley Ronan Shanahan David Moran Jack Barry Jonathan Lyne Paul Murphy Kieran McCarthy Jack Savage Paul Geaney James O’Donoghue Stephen O'Brien Barry John Keane Adrian Spillane Anthony Maher Darran O'Sullivan Bryan Sheehan Ahh c'mon, Bar the guys highlighted there were very few rookies out there today,These guys should know better but realistically they are in a comfort zone within the panel
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Feb 26, 2017 23:50:50 GMT
However, we need to be patient, a lot of these lads are getting some harsh lessons and it will stand to them. Brendan Kealy Shane Enright Mark Griffin Killian Young Tadhg Morley Peter Crowley Ronan Shanahan David Moran Jack Barry Jonathan Lyne Paul Murphy Kieran McCarthy Jack Savage Paul Geaney James O’Donoghue Stephen O'Brien Barry John Keane Adrian Spillane Anthony Maher Darran O'Sullivan Bryan Sheehan Ahh c'mon, Bar the guys highlighted there were very few rookies out there today,These guys should know better but realistically they are in a comfort zone within the panel Is the David Moran/Jack Barry partnership not a new one? Anyone who has ever kicked a ball in anger knows that forging a midfield partnership takes quite a while and the 2lads will have learned a lot about each other's games in recent weeks. Ditto along the half back line. Rotation of keepers is also not leading to consistent performance. A bit of perspective needed is all I'm saying. If we manage to stay up and have 3/4 players champing at the bit for a starting place come championship time,then losing today is ok by me. 1/3 of the team today were quite inexperienced, I include Morley in that, a man still learning his trade. Look back at the thread from the Donegal game, Fitzmaurice and co could do no wrong. Now they can do no right. I'm sure there's no more disappointed people tonight that the Kerry management. I trust then to get it right, as they usually do. Just my opinion.
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Post by fitz on Feb 27, 2017 0:08:06 GMT
Why are the 21s not accessible, even allowing for their upcoming campaign? Surely these games are priceless experience. I'm assuming it's the required collective team together time?
Agree that the heavy training excuse is lame. The last 15 minutes against Donegal showed a pattern that despite providing causal wisdom, is not being learned from because of a variety of:
- consistent second half fade outs - lack of on field leadership - player performance failings - management failings(selection and timings, and positioning) - adaptability deficit
From seeing the Donegal highlights, and reading today's comments here, it seems that our poor in-game decision making is seriously awry. Kerry had numerous possessions during Donegal's 6 point purple patch, but turned over ball repeatedly. No decent team should take a run of scores unbroken against them. It does smack of a team when under specific pressure do not know how to limit damage. Leadership on the field is lacking, and clear united team response to adversity, before irrevocable damage is done. Another 10 mins in Donegal and strong odds we would have been beaten.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 27, 2017 7:35:12 GMT
Monday, February 27, 2017 By Tony Leen Sports Editor
Kerry 1-10 Monaghan 2-8:
Monaghan’s Division 1 league schedule had the sheer angle of a cliff-face to it with first month visits to Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone. Now? Not so much.
Five points from six, their only dropped point at home to Cavan as they prepare for a trip to Omagh next Saturday. And they’ll do so with a bounce in their step after a gloriously foul 70-odd minutes yesterday in Killarney.
No team out-toils Monaghan and whether Kerry made that cardinal sin yesterday is a point of debate. The Kingdom were limited to two points from play, the same amount Conor McManus pilfered in four clinical second-half minutes. Their manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice described Kerry’s decision-making as “a bit off”, but Monaghan ran them down cul-de-sacs and into tall walls and they did all this while suffering one injury setback after another.
This wasn’t just a result to savour, it was a performance to quicken the pulse of the Monaghan faithful and their manager. The difference being O’Rourke must get his tidy squad, further compromised by three injuries yesterday, down and then up again for Tyrone next weekend.
“When we won in Tralee two years ago, some local man said afterwards ‘shure it’s only the league’, and of course it is. Holding Kerry to two points from play in these conditions is very different to repeating it in the summer. That full-forward line they have is as good as anything in the country, but it was an afternoon for defenders,” O’Rourke reflected.
Of course that’s true but wins away to Mayo and Kerry in February is the type of feelgood fragrance anyone would like to inhale, even at the dawning stage of the campaign. The defeat leaves Kerry and their manager in familiar league territory, looking edgily over their shoulders at the trapdoor to Division 2. Next weekend’s visit to Roscommon assumes the feel of a must-win game now
Though Monaghan’s sleeves were rolled up from the get-go, they could have been further adrift than the two-point half-time deficit (1-5 to 1-3) had wind-assisted Kerry availed of a couple of goalscoring chances — one in particular for the usually deadly Paul Geaney in the 19th minute. Four minutes later, a James O’Donoghue free had the hosts 1-4 to 0-2 in front but Jack McCarron’s 27th-minute goal shifted the momentum. Brendan Kealy saved Conor McManus’ first effort, but McCarron, feeling his way back after injury, was more decisive than those bidding to foil him, from the rebound into play.
Kerry’s decision-making was ill-judged when it wasn’t ponderous, but they never got a moment’s respite. Monaghan had use of the elements in the second-half, but the physical clamp never relented. They lost Colin Walshe before half-time, Darren Hughes failed to reappear for the second period and sub Owen Duffy departed after only 10 second-half minutes. But within six minutes of the restart they had a McManus-Doogan axis to celebrate as the latter finished low and purposefully past Kealy in the Kerry goal.
A McCarron point a minute later had Monaghan in front for the first time, and Kieran Hughes — what an engine — reclaimed the lead for them in the 57th minute when he made it 2-6 to 1-8. Hughes and Doogan sat behind midfield, Shane Carey drifted onto outlet ball and Conor McManus roamed the prairies of the half-forward line as the visitors continued to frustrate and dispossess laboured Kerry.
McManus popped two points to open a three-point gap and two late Kerry frees wouldn’t deny them the points. “Our defence has been going very well and we are pleased with that but without sounding smart a Kerry forward line in the summer time compared to a Kerry forward line in wintery conditions is completely different. We are wise to that as well,” said O’Rourke.
Recognising the peril of their last quarter situation, Fitzmaurice threw in proven talents — Maher, Darran O’Sullivan and Bryan Sheehan — but the latter’s first act was to swing back and see red from referee Derek O’Mahony. More sustenance for Monaghan. It shouldn’t go unsaid that Kerry are light on resources at the moment, and whatever inexperience cost them yesterday, the likes of Ronan Shanahan, Jack Barry and Kevin McCarthy — who started for the suspended Donnchadh Walsh — will profit in the long-term from such an intense examination of their inter-county credentials.
The steadiness of Tadhg Morley yesterday underlines how quickly nascent talent can progress, but the Kingdom’s need for league points is immediate at this stage. Only one Kerry forward scored from play, and they went 23 second-half minutes without a score. Getting usable ball into Messrs Savage, Geaney and O’Donoghue was beyond them and Geaney was withdrawn after 50 minutes. Malachy O’Rourke doesn’t have such luxuries and admitted Monaghan could be tight for bodies next weekend. Not that anyone will be spending unnecessary time on the treatment table with the whiff of momentum in their nostrils.
Scorers for Kerry:
J. O’Donoghue (0-3, frees), P. Geaney (0-3, frees), D Moran (1-0), P. Murphy, T Morley (0-1 each), B Kealy, BJ Keane (0-1 each, frees)
Scorers for Monaghan:
J McCarron (1-3, 1 free), G Doogan (1-0), C McManus (0-2), K Hughes (0-2), R Beggan (0-1, free)
KERRY:
B Kealy; S Enright, M Griffin, K Young; T Morley, P Crowley, R Shanahan; D Moran, J Barry; J Lyne, P Murphy, K McCarthy; J Savage, J O’Donoghue, P. Geaney.
Subs:
S O’Brien for Savage (half-time); B J Keane for Geaney (51); A Spillane for McCarthy (53); A Maher for Barry (55, black card); D O’Sullivan for Crowley (61); B Sheehan for Moran (65)
MONAGHAN:
R Beggan; F Kelly, C Walshe, R Wylie; K O’Connell, D Wylie J Mealiff; D Hughes, K Hughes; K Duffy, S Carey, G Doogan; D Malone, J McCarron, C McManus.
Subs:
N McAdam for Walshe (29); O Duffy for D Hughes (half time); R McAnespie for Mealiff (ht); C. McCarthy for O Duffy (46); T Kerr for Malone (65)
Referee:
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 27, 2017 7:38:36 GMT
Doogan highlights home truths for Kingdom Monaghan 2-8 Kerry 1-10
Typical Monaghan, to stick their finger in the eye of one of the aristocrats. But in some ways this wasn't typical of them at all. That they came out on top in a street fight won't surprise anyone. The conditions made yesterday's exchanges attritional and fractured and it suited them. But that they did it without Conor McManus getting on the scoreboard until close on the hour mark is more unusual.
That they won in Kerry isn't strange either. After all, they plundered Tralee in 2015. But that they did it after losing captain Colin Walshe to injury midway through the first-half, as well as powerful midfielder Darren Hughes to concussion at half-time, is different too. Of all the top teams, Monaghan's panel has long been considered one of the shallowest. Here, they hinted at less of a reliance on their central characters.
It was a game that was played in Kerry's home patch of Killarney but it was played entirely on Monaghan's terms. Playing against a strong breeze in the first-half, they operated at close to maximum efficiency. They held on to possession for long periods and frustrated Kerry. The home side wouldn't score until 14 minutes in and in that period they created only one chance of note, when Paul Murphy's pull on a loose ball came back off the post.
David Moran grabbed their first score of the game when he goaled after getting on the end of a sweeping move. That signalled the start of an unanswered 1-4 and some flowing football. They should have grabbed another goal only for Paul Geaney to pull his shot wide.
Monaghan were capable of picking off scores at the other end and McManus got beyond the cover, only to be denied by Brendan Kealy. However, Jack McCarron was on hand to gather the rebound and fire home. McCarron, who has been dogged by injury of late, produced the kind of display that has made him so highly thought of in Monaghan, top scoring with 1-3.
"It has been levelled against us we are reliant too much on Conor and I suppose as a quality forward and with his free-taking the limelight does fall on him," Farney manager Malachy O'Rourke said. "But I'm delighted for Jack McCarron. This last couple of years he's worked really hard on his own and we got him back in today and he showed his quality with the goal, he showed great composure. "Gavin (Doogan) got a good goal too. It's just trying to take some of the emphasis off Conor. If teams feel 'well, if we take care of him they are not going to get scores from elsewhere'. So it means defences have to think about other players as well and that makes things easier for everyone."
McCarron's goal ensured they'd be within striking distance at the break and when Kieran Hughes and Geaney (free) swapped scores, Monaghan went in at the interval trailing by just two points (1-5 to 1-3).
Kerry looked sharper at the start of the second-half and James O'Donoghue stretched their lead to three points before Doogan struck for the crucial score of the game. McManus was the target of a long delivery and he did enough to occupy two Kerry defenders. The Magheracloone clubman snaffled possession and finished well to the net to tie the game up on 40 minutes.
Monaghan would take control down the home stretch with McManus hitting two elegant points to put his side three up. Fitzmaurice's final throw of the dice came when he introduced Bryan Sheehan late on. His first act was to take a mark from a kick-out. His second was to pick up a red card for what appeared to be a strike. Kerry would land the last two points of the day but Monaghan held on to condemn the Kingdom to a second successive league defeat at home.
There'll be plenty of head scratching in Kerry. They'd manage just two points from play across the 70-plus minutes through Murphy and Tadhg Morley. Geaney and O'Donoghue tried hard to break the cover but every jink and dodge saw a door shut in their face. "We are looking down rather than up now," Kerry boss Eamonn Fitzmaurice said of their league position.
"Next weekend's game is of huge importance now as Roscommon will be scrapping for points and we must make sure that we stay ahead of them. Having said that, we got into the semi-finals last year on 10 points having lost the first two games and that's still achievable, but we will be taking it one game at a time." Still, no one needs reminding that Kerry have been in worse positions in February only to come good in the summer.
"Look we are realistic enough in the group to realise that if we won the three games we would not be getting carried away with it and now that we have only won one out of three, we are not going to be panicking," he said.
"Of course we are always looking further down the line but we care about the league and we care about winning every game and unfortunately in the last two games we were not good enough." O'Rourke insisted he wasn't getting carried away with the result, despite seeing his side beat two of the leading All-Ireland contenders in their own back yards (Kerry and Mayo).
"I don't want to make any grand statements because these things can come back to bite you. We came down two years ago and beat Kerry in Tralee and as some of the Kerry men coming out that day said to me, 'it's only the league'. And it is true. A county like Kerry, with their success, it's very early in the year and teams are at different levels of preparation, so we're just delighted to come down and win."
Scorers - Monaghan: J McCarron 1-3 (1f); G Doogan 1-0; C McManus, K Hughes 0-2 each; R Beggan 0-1 (f). Kerry: P Geaney (3f), J O'Donoghue (3f) 0-3 each, D Moran 1-0, P Murphy, T Morley, B Kealy (f), BJ Keane (f) 0-1 each. Monaghan - R Beggan 7; F Kelly 7, D Wylie 8, R Wylie 8; K Duffy 7, J Mealiff 6, C Walshe 6; D Hughes 6, K Hughes 7; K O'Connell 6, S Carey 6, G Doogan 8; D Malone 7, J McCarron 8, C McManus 7. Subs: N McAdam 7 for Walshe (28), R McAnespie 7 for D Hughes, O Duffy 6 for Mealiff (both h-t), C McCarthy 7 for Duffy (45), T Kerr 6 for Malone (65).
Kerry - B Kealy 7; S Enright 7, M Griffin 6, K Young 6; T Morley 7, P Crowley 6, R Shanahan 6; D Moran 6, J Barry 6; J Lyne 6, P Murphy 6, K McCarthy 6; J Savage 6, P Geaney 6, J O'Donoghue 6. Subs: S O'Brien 6 for Savage (h-t), BJ Keane 6 for Geaney (50), A Spillane 6 for McCarthy (53), A Maher 6 for Barry (55 BC), D O'Sullivan 6 for Crowley (61), B Sheehan (not on long enough to be rated) for Moran (65).
REF - D O'Mahoney (Tipperary).
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 27, 2017 9:05:56 GMT
Very disappointing performance yesterday. Leaves a lot to be desired. Problems all over the field. Some shocking stuff. Losing to Monaghan at home has to be seen as a systems failure across the team. After an excellent start against Donegal away and the first half against Mayo at home, yesterday was simply very poor fare from Kerry. The League has basically been a non entity for Kerry over the last five years. This represents a huge chunk of development football for the county. There was a lot to be said for winning three league titles in the last decade which went on to become doubles subsequently. We should be going to Roscommon next weekend with a skip in our step and a tinge of excitement. Hard to get excited about taking the trip. Kerry just don't have any league form over the past 5 years. Sadly.
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Post by buck02 on Feb 27, 2017 9:17:13 GMT
I am usually not one for being alarmed in February about how Kerry are performing but I am concerned about some of the stuff I have seen against Mayo and Monaghan.
I think Kerry's tackling has improved since the season started and maybe they are doing a lot of work on that facet of their play at training. But it seems to be to the detriment of other skills.
The kick-passing was terrible yesterday and was bad at time in Tralee two weeks ago too. The hand-passing was also poor, players having to reach down to their shins to gather passes they should take into their chests on the go. How many times did we see a Kerry play hop the ball as his first option yesterday. It cost us a goal after the same player had got away with messing up a hop a few seconds before.
At the back, the likes of Mark Griffin would want to take a leaf out of Drew Wylie's book about how to defend with sheer aggression. Against Mayo people were saying a forward like Andy Moran didnt suit Griffin. Yesterday he was on a fella of similar build to himself but really struggled on him, too far off him and not aggressive enough.
That said I felt tactically we got it very wrong yesterday. Killian Youngs job all day should have been to double up and help Shane Enright mark McManus. Just before the 2nd goal I commented how it was 2 v 2 inside Kerry's 50 for the 2nd half so far - all Monaghan needed to do was win a kickout and straight away they would have a great chance of getting McManus on the ball in a dangerous position. After the goal Killian was sent back - after the horse had bolted.
Up front there was no pattern of play - shape was poor and finishing equally poor. Recall the goal chances missed against Donegal and Mayo and the terrible wides yesterday. Maurice Fitz better start working more with them forwards. You would wonder as to the level of coaching currently going on in relation to some of this stuff.
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Post by kerry4life on Feb 27, 2017 9:30:12 GMT
We are making far too many excuses, the wind, Monaghans tactics,a league game in February. That performance was a disgrace fullstop. The likes of the so called experienced guys were shocking. Moran got cleaned out in midfield.
Maher came on and tried to solo the ball twice and he couldnt and lost the balls. He looked like a 2x1 piece of wood he was so stiff, sure where are you going carrying him up to mark Fenton or McCauley.
Sheenhan shouldnt even have come on anyway, how many times late in games has Fitz made made off the wall calls now over the years when he is trying to save the game. Galvin in a final a few years back and last year Marc for Geaney V Dublin. Yesterday showed a glimpse into that mind set again.
Bringing on Darren who was on the booze all last week was a desperate attempt altogether, why not give a young lad a go, what was to lose.
I have no doubt Kerry will improve but the panel and team selections are a joke, playing the same old lads in the same positions they have struggled in over the last few years. I would gladely taken a beating if we were trying new players in those problem areas, at least we would be learning something.
Sheehan, Maher, Moran not good enough to beat the Dubs and we know what we can get of out of Lyne, O Brien at this stage.
We gave out about Jack O Connor been slow to change his ways but Fitz takes the biscuit, how many times must we get the run around by the Dubs to get the message we need pace for 70 mins in Croke Park to have a chance of beating them.
I mean in no way to insult anyone but its been clear to me for a long time that the names mentioned above are no longer up to the standard needed to take Kerry up a level. The book rests with the man picking those players and I can guarantee ye all if Marc and Aidan stayed on he would also have them on the panel. Until we can match Dublin for youth and pace we are going tobe left without Sam for another while unfortunately.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 27, 2017 9:35:52 GMT
The amount of basic errors was appalling yesterday. While I'm no fan of Fitzmaurice and his negative style, there are certain players proving consistently that they're not up to Inter-County standard. There was no urgency, no defined plan, no movement, no bite, nothing.
David Moran's regression in the last few years is alarming. He gives the ball away 3 or 4 times in every game. That's criminal. Anthony Maher is Kerry's best midfielder, just a pity he's been dogged with injuries.
I thought that Crowley had a shocker yesterday. Yea he was on a pile of ball but contantly ran into traffic and down cul-de-sacs.
Once Paul Geaney went off Kerry were void of a target man and a physical presence. James O'Donoghue and Jack Savage will not win a 50/50 or 40/60 ball. I hate to say it but I think we're looking at Donaghy starting again in the Summer.
While back to back 1 point losses in February is nothing to lose sleep over, the manner of performance is, both on and off the pitch.
I haven't watched the game back but I did not think that Jack Barry warranted a black card. The less said of Sheahan the better.
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Post by veteran on Feb 27, 2017 10:33:43 GMT
No fake news here. Monaghan were worthy winners. They were the organised team, they were the inventive team, they were the ravenously physical team, a team who came down determined not to return home empty handed. The ingredients for modern success is strong, powerful, direct running allied to a penchant for kicking some long range points. They possessed those ingredients. Sadly, we do not possess these attributes at present. Perhaps, some time in the future?
The weather was not as inclement as predicted. Apart from a vicious shower at half time the rain stayed away. A very strong wind did blow which was at Kerry's back in the first half, theoretically at least.
Playing with that gale we got only five scores but how could it be otherwise when one saw our approach. It bordered on grotesque looking at our display in that half. In spite of playing with the gale , Kerry retreated and retreated and stood a mile of their men allowing Monaghan to dominate possession and work their way up field. I will give one example to illustrate this farce. Tadgh Morley, one of our better performers, was in possession about forty five metres from the Monaghan goal and lost the ball. Monaghan careered up field and scored a goal. A mistake by Tadgh no doubt. But. It may not have been apparent on TV but when Tadgh won that ball he looked up and , in spite of playing with the aforementioned gale, there was nobody between him and the Monaghan goal! Imagine that scene even without the gale. Is this due February, only the NFL, heavy training? Go on, tell me the one about the Irish man, the Englishman etc.
The argument I am making is that the same shortcomings keep manifesting themselves. Some teams are good at playing with so many players behind the ball. We are not. It is not our natural game. So why adopt it. Witness our attack minded games against Donegal and , in the first half, against Mayo. Management, has to take responsibility for devising a game plan. If the one we saw yesterday was their blueprint then they have a lot of explaining to do. If it was not their blueprint but was one employed by the players through indifference or incompetence, then they need to reassess selection policy. For example, not for the first time, we did not have a stitch of a half forward line yesterday. If we did, then then it was only a nominal half forward line, spending their time ambling about our defence. No scoring threat there! But is it any wonder when one considers that two of those lads are converted half backs. How long more , O Lord.
The situation looked dire at half time, utterly depressing, with just s two point lead. To their credit, there was more urgency and ambition in the second half but at that stage Monaghan got a whiff of blood and would not bend. Interestingly, I was very surprised that Jack Savage was the one change , the only change at half time. Like his colleagues, Jack was not keeping the scoreboard changing but he won most of the ball that was coming his way. It smacked of the old thinking- the first man you take off is the corner forward. The problems were further out, midfield and half forward line. The Hughes brothers were dominant at midfield, lucky for us that one of them went off injured. What has happened Jack Barry? Where is the sense of daring, the sense of adventure we saw against Donegal and Mayo? Instead we saw a repetition of the anaemic performance we witnessed in the Sigerson final. It could be of course that he is instructed to play a more defensive role which I suppose would be consistent with the apparent philosophy of management. Nevertheless, I would start him again the next day. Incidentally, his black card was outrageous but in keeping with the actions of a totally incompetent referee.
David Moran? The man works so hard and does so many good things but why in every game does he give a few balls away so cheaply. At least, he was kept away from the frees. In fairness to him he took his goal superbly.
I met a West Kerry man before the match and he wondered why Paul Geaney was playing as he felt he had not recovered from his injury. He certainly played like that , missing that goal chance after an exquisite kick pass from James. You would have put your savings on him getting that goal. It was criminal playing him if he is still carrying that injury and indeed it would have been a surprise if a hamstring injury resolved in such a short space of time.
As I am in the mood for being a grouch another thing that annoyed me yesterday was an incident in the first half. Not a game turning event but perhaps indicative of lack of thinking on the job. We won a free about forty metres out, a little to the left of the Monaghan goal. One would have expected James to effortlessly pop it over with the gale and indeed he shaped up to take it. But up saunters Brendan Kealy to take it. He missed it. No great blame there. But who made that call? Apart from everything else it wasted time when we needed to be relentless in pursuing scores every minute of that half. Brendan could not be faulted for the two goals.
Would yesterday have been a suitable day for the power and pace of Brendan O'Sullivan? Has EF lost confidence in him? If so, is there any point in having him in the panel.
The Bryan Sheehan incident happened on the terrace side therefore I do not know what occurred. He did look trim for a man who has played little football lately. Ditto Anthony Maher. Anthony is our number one midfielder but he needs of game time. He misses too many NFL games.
Losing two successive home league matches, regardless of any mitigating circumstances , is unacceptable. In truth we have lost two many league matches over the past few years. That saps confidence. Conversely, success breeds success.
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Post by jackiel on Feb 27, 2017 11:15:37 GMT
Excellent post Veteran.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 27, 2017 11:17:56 GMT
Two points.
I agree Darren O'Sullivan shouldn't have been on the panel this week.
We had a lot of big name players sitting on the bench in 2014 which showed Fitzmaurice had that streak of toughness. Does this streak remain?
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 27, 2017 11:20:46 GMT
As I am in the mood for being a grouch another thing that annoyed me yesterday was an incident in the first half. Not a game turning event but perhaps indicative of lack of thinking on the job. We won a free about forty metres out, a little to the left of the Monaghan goal. One would have expected James to effortlessly pop it over with the gale and indeed he shaped up to take it. But up saunters Brendan Kealy to take it. He missed it. No great blame there. But who made that call? Apart from everything else it wasted time when we needed to be relentless in pursuing scores every minute of that half. Brendan could not be faulted for the two goals. Liam Hassett ran on to the field and instructed James to leave it for Kealy. It seemed to me there was an argument between the two.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Feb 27, 2017 13:52:48 GMT
Very poor play from Kerry yesterday on so many lines, that return from our forwards perhaps reflects the lethargy of our build up play. Whilst players have to run the ball when playing against a wind like that in the second half but our first half approach play was just sad to watch, I'm sure Monaghan were delighted to be heading to the dressing room with a mere soccer score having been registered against them by Kerry playing on their home pitch with a storm at their backs. At half time I said we need a major change in attitude and a pinch of good fortune to steal this one, the attitude did improve for a little while but Monaghan smelt the blood with the ever increasing desperation in our play and substitutions. Sheehan was very foolish to do what he did considering his experience and the need we had in that last eight or nine minutes for a final tilt at turning them over, the Monaghan player Kieran Hughes on the ground seemed to be doing something with his left hand that resulted in the punch from Sheehan but it's not clear from the footage. Keily yet again has not improved in the collection of ball and tee for the quick kick out, to see him chasing a bad wide yesterday that nearly landed in the front yard of St Finians was infuriating. He returned to his goalmouth like a well trained gun dog with his prize, why oh why dis he chase that ball ? He had a ball and tee beside him in the goal, naturally they weren't beside each other as this would be too much to expect. While he diligently chased that wide ball Cluxton would have had the ball down and pinged to a Dublin half back and would be straight into arrack. The mind boggles when this most obvious and simple huge necessary improvement is either being ignored by the player or not being brought to his attention by management. I know it's February and we will probably be booking hotels in August and hopefully September in Dublin but basic housekeeping like this should not be a factor regardless of the time of year. It looks like we will not get a crack at Dublin in this league campaign with a championship team setup. March 18 will be a good game but we are likely to learn little from the Dubs that evening that will enlighten us for our probable clash in Croker later in the year
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Post by SCB-ROCK on Feb 27, 2017 14:46:30 GMT
Kerry were beaten in the 2013 AI SF by Dublin in a fascinating game where Kerry gave everything and came up short against a very good team. If the performance yesterday showed players, busting a gut, full of desire and passion and ready to front up for the jersey and still lost, then at least you could hang your hat on something.
The people on this forum who lean toward the “it’s only February” “it’s only the league” “heavy training” “trying out some new players” are only deluding themselves. We haven’t won a league title since 2009 and in that time we have one All-Ireland, and if Dublin had beaten Donegal in 2014, they’d have beaten us in the final. That, folks, is the harsh reality!
Fitzmaurice has had the reins since 2013 and this is his team now, the old guard that were there in 2013 and 2014 are pretty much gone at this point. What improvement have we seen since then?
Competition for places We were led to believe that a league final appearance was an imperative this year, that there was a strong panel all jostling for a starting berth? Is that the reality? in my opinion not a hope. Kieran Donaghy is off playing basketball, and when he’s ready he’ll come back to Kerry and walk straight into an average Kerry team, does that tell you that there is competition for places? Likewise, the selection of a clearly out of sorts Paul Geaney (hamstring?) and a Darren O Sullivan who we’re informed was celebrating all week, hardly suggests depth.
Player selection I mentioned after the Mayo game that it is baffling to me that some players remain on this panel, today again asked that same question. There were only a handful of players who looked like Kerry players yesterday, Morley, Young, Crowley Murphy, Geaney, maybe JOD, slim pickings from a truly awful performance.
Passion, Leadership Fourteen minutes into this game JOD was unceremoniously pushed out over the sideline by two Monaghan players and roughed up while he was on the ground, not one Kerry player came to help!
Management Fitzmaurice cut a very lonely, clueless and at time panicked figure on the sideline yesterday. In my humble opinion he’s been found out, not only by the watching public but by his own players, this team plays like a dressing room divided. If us mere mortals can see the problems surely the players see them also.
Another miserable league, and whatever we will learn about the youngsters will be wasted on this management team.
The cycle continues…
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Post by timmy on Feb 27, 2017 15:16:34 GMT
Kerry were beaten in the 2013 AI SF by Dublin in a fascinating game where Kerry gave everything and came up short against a very good team. If the performance yesterday showed players, busting a gut, full of desire and passion and ready to front up for the jersey and still lost, then at least you could hang your hat on something. The people on this forum who lean toward the “it’s only February” “it’s only the league” “heavy training” “trying out some new players” are only deluding themselves. We haven’t won a league title since 2009 and in that time we have one All-Ireland, and if Dublin had beaten Donegal in 2014, they’d have beaten us in the final. That, folks, is the harsh reality! Fitzmaurice has had the reins since 2013 and this is his team now, the old guard that were there in 2013 and 2014 are pretty much gone at this point. What improvement have we seen since then? Competition for places We were led to believe that a league final appearance was an imperative this year, that there was a strong panel all jostling for a starting berth? Is that the reality? in my opinion not a hope. Kieran Donaghy is off playing basketball, and when he’s ready he’ll come back to Kerry and walk straight into an average Kerry team, does that tell you that there is competition for places? Likewise, the selection of a clearly out of sorts Paul Geaney (hamstring?) and a Darren O Sullivan who we’re informed was celebrating all week, hardly suggests depth. Player selection I mentioned after the Mayo game that it is baffling to me that some players remain on this panel, today again asked that same question. Why/how is Johnathon Lyne anywhere near this panel, I fail to see what he brings to this team, if this is the caliber of player that deserves to make the Kerry panel then there is zero chance of success this year. There were only a handful of players who looked like Kerry players yesterday, Morley, Young, Crowley Murphy, Geaney, maybe JOD, slim pickings from a truly awful performance. Passion, Leadership Fourteen minutes into this game JOD was unceremoniously pushed out over the sideline by two Monaghan players and roughed up while he was on the ground, not one Kerry player came to help! Management Fitzmaurice cut a very lonely, clueless and at time panicked figure on the sideline yesterday. In my humble opinion he’s been found out, not only by the watching public but by his own players, this team plays like a dressing room divided. If us mere mortals can see the problems surely the players see them also, and any player who is making excuses for themselves on the back of the last two defeats doesn’t deserve to represent the county plain and simple! Btw where were Sheehy and Fitzgerald yesterday, didn’t see them on the sideline? Are they up a tree looking for a better vantage point? Even the crows circling above were shocked at what they saw, or were they vultures looking to pick over dead carcasses? Dublin and Tyrone will beat us, which will leave wins you would hope against Cavan and Roscommon. Another miserable league, and whatever we will learn about the youngsters will be wasted on this management team. The cycle continues… Morley, Geaney & JOD looked Kerry class yesterday??? You are having a laugh right. Morley was at fault for the 1st goal and the other 2 were part of a full forward line who failed to score with the aid of a hurricane. Shane Enright, Ronan Shanahan, Murphy, Crowley and Young played reasonably well and that was it.
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