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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2017 15:52:44 GMT
Have we lost the desire to win and become more focusssed on a fear of losing. The shape and way we play is more of the latter than the former - it's not natural to us and we do it poorly.
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Post by kingdomkerry on Feb 26, 2017 16:00:45 GMT
Players being played out of position and bad substitutions. Sums up this management team.
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Post by timmy on Feb 26, 2017 16:27:31 GMT
Players being played out of position and bad substitutions. Sums up this management team. Who are you referring to as being played out of position. Paul Murphy yes in my book is a wing back but was still one of our better players today
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 26, 2017 16:28:14 GMT
Is it still "only February"? Yes.
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Post by wayupnorth on Feb 26, 2017 16:33:50 GMT
There's a pattern emerging here. Decent or ok performance in the first half and complete car crash in the second and some bizarre events including Sheehan's "cameo role" (is this the shortest time ever on the field for a Kerry player?) and Kealy taking the frees - at least he doubled his total score for Kerry. The best we can hope for at this stage is to beat Roscommon and Cavan and stay in Division 1. Sorry for the pessimism but I have earned the right by turning up for the match today.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2017 16:40:37 GMT
Jack O' Connor to take over after U21's are finished! Surely he needs to show he can bring the successful minor team into early adulthood and win an U21 title before his third coming is bestowed.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 26, 2017 16:41:45 GMT
Our inability to evolve tactically in the last few years is worrying- we still spend a good 40% of out time in possession just handpassing over and back 40 yards from goal
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Post by maryo on Feb 26, 2017 17:25:10 GMT
What has happened to our first touch so poor today .
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Post by SCB-ROCK on Feb 26, 2017 17:26:51 GMT
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Post by SCB-ROCK on Feb 26, 2017 17:28:24 GMT
Jack O' Connor to take over after U21's are finished! Surely he needs to show he can bring the successful minor team into early adulthood and win an U21 title before his third coming is bestowed. Then who else should take over?
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Post by jackiel on Feb 26, 2017 17:29:06 GMT
I've only watched the first half so far, if the result hadn't flashed up on my Facebook feed I might have stuck it out to the end. Yet again it was a frustrating watch, I know it's "only February" but I have come to expect a lot more from the team. We seem to have developed a habit of fading out in the second half, which is worrying with thoughts of championship down the line. Donegal took Dublin to another draw today, I'd be hoping for a massive turnabout in performance if we're to hope for something similar on 18th.
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Post by An Bradán on Feb 26, 2017 17:30:44 GMT
Doom and gloom.
I'm guessing Kerry are in the middle of a heavy training period.
It was a poor performance but it's 26th February.
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Post by fitz on Feb 26, 2017 17:34:32 GMT
Wasn't there, still mithered about it. Lose two HOME games in a row?? After such a good result in Donegal. The second half fade out is nothing new for two decades on/off. I can't believe Monaghan are that good, solid, honest and a gem in McManus. Donegal getting a point v Dubs does point to a degree of tri na cheile that is this league. Maybe after a couple of days, reactive frustrated views will subside to just frustrated. What was Sheehan sent for? If anyone needed stock raising it was he, big setback for him. Roscommon next? Must win.
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 26, 2017 17:39:06 GMT
Shambolic today on all fronts
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Post by nk1 on Feb 26, 2017 17:39:34 GMT
We showed no ambition to win this match in the first half when we had the wind, we had no forward plan what so ever . If we did it was hard to see our half forward line showed very little. This was a game we should be winning let's face it Monaghan were poorish and they beat us comfortably , No room for a loss next week in Roscommon
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Post by An Bradán on Feb 26, 2017 17:39:46 GMT
Jack O' Connor to take over after U21's are finished! Are we Leicester City?
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2017 17:43:26 GMT
Surely he needs to show he can bring the successful minor team into early adulthood and win an U21 title before his third coming is bestowed. Then who else should take over? Seeing as there in no vacancy that discussion is premature in the extreme. My point is simply that Jack has been a great servant in the past, won an AI with a great (well flagged) crop of youngsters in 14, repeated it with a less heralded crop in 15 - his current challenge is to show he can transition them from minors to the next level and if successful he would be in position for the senior job when the vacancy arises and assuming he is interested.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2017 18:01:08 GMT
Another damning statistic is that Kerry didn't score from play in the entire second half; indeed, they only managed two points from play, one of those from defender Tadhg Morley.
Surely this is the nub of the problem.
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Post by decondd2 on Feb 26, 2017 18:09:58 GMT
Oh please lads. Getting the knives out for Fitzy?
Fitzy didn't fumble the ball leading to 2 goals.
Fitzy didn't get himself sent off within 30 seconds.
Fitzy didn't miss from 6 yards out 1 on 1.
Fitzy didn't carry the ball into trouble repeatedly or kick posession straight to the sweeper.
The players have to be accountable. The team out on the field had a good enough gameplan to beat this Monaghan side, but we didn't play well as a team. We made individual errors which cost us the game.
Our forwards were bullied. Apart from Donaghy (hopefully) we have no forward who can handle himself against the likes of Monaghan.
Jack Savage shows good promise but needs to be braver. Geaney went missing for 30 minutes and missed an easy goal chance. Moran mixed good with bad. Crowley got on a lot of ball but brought it repeatedly into trouble. Lyne works hard but offers no scoring threat and is non existant when it comes to winning breaking ball. Kevin McCarthy did OK, but fumbled easily and offered no attacking threat.
Crowley and Morley fumbled under no pressure leading to the two goals. Kealey's kickouts were slower than Kelly's but more accurate. The same problem with tired backs turning their back on the goalkeeper happened late in the game.
Jack Barry was good defensively but was beaten to a good few of Monaghan's kickouts as Kieran Hughes got out in front of him.
Where are our leaders on the field? Where is our Seamus Moynihan or Darragh? Who is going to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and demand more from the players? That's what we are really missing.
Fitzmaurice makes mistakes. Michael Geaney isn't good enough at this level. The Jack Sherwood debacle was a huge faux pas. He is far from the biggest issue though. Some guys need to get the finger out and show a bit more pride in the jersey- even in February. We were out-fought. Monaghan wanted it more.
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Post by wayupnorth on Feb 26, 2017 18:15:57 GMT
Wasn't there, still mithered about it. Lose two HOME games in a row?? After such a good result in Donegal. The second half fade out is nothing new for two decades on/off. I can't believe Monaghan are that good, solid, honest and a gem in McManus. Donegal getting a point v Dubs does point to a degree of tri na cheile that is this league. Maybe after a couple of days, reactive frustrated views will subside to just frustrated. What was Sheehan sent for? If anyone needed stock raising it was he, big setback for him. Roscommon next? Must win. Looked like Sheehan was tripped going for a high ball and he retaliated. Should have known better!
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Post by KY50 on Feb 26, 2017 18:19:39 GMT
Plenty of over positive reactions after the Donegal win and the opposite today,a lot of 'HS' being thrown around by this forum Lads, relax, early days, team currently in a heavy training period
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 26, 2017 18:22:44 GMT
. Some guys need to get the finger out and show a bit more pride in the jersey-. This is exactly it and Fitzmaurice picks these guys and has let it fester,There are at least a dozen guys there today togged out that have no business being there,Picked on reputation not performances,Guys with no pedigree at underage or at club level and guys who have failed time and time again in a Kerry jersey. Time to cull all these hanger on's and bring through younger hungrier guys,Guys who will kill for a jersey,not lads who are happy with no.25 on their back & a boost to their twitter profiles
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Post by seaniebo on Feb 26, 2017 18:43:14 GMT
I had a birds eye view of the Sheehan sending off.. He caught an absolute beauty out of the sky and on landing he was cynically held down by two opponents.. He was trying to get up for a few seconds but was prevented from doing so and flaked your man in the puss. I thought Monaghan were tough in the tackle today, sometimes over the top but the ref gave them the benefit of the doubt. Off the ball they were pulling and dragging like it was going out of fashion. I didn't think we were composed in possession and were turned over by hard hitting and determined tackling.
I thought attack wise we looked clueless, especially in the second half. All too often we ran into walls and out of ideas. To use a rugby term we certainly found breaking the gain line near impossible. The positive for me was the way we took the fight to them in the final few minutes when it looked an impossible task after the red card. Prior to that our attack was totally stagnant.
These type of performances happen during the league.. God willing we'll have a successful championship and I doubt too many on here will remember a cold miserable afternoon in February if that transpires.
That said we find ourselves in another must win next weekend. How bad. There won't be anyone getting carried away. Kerry backs to the wall is not the worst position to be in to focus minds.
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Post by KY50 on Feb 26, 2017 18:50:29 GMT
Good summary Seaniebo
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 26, 2017 18:53:04 GMT
Heavy training is an excuse now – is it? Are we to imagine at this time of the year - the other teams in Division 1 have their feet up on the sofa and are watching Netflix? Are Monaghan not in heavy training?
Kerry may indeed be in the middle of heavy training as a couple of posters suggested but so what! It’s a poor excuse because from what I saw, Kerry looked a team low on quality, grit and real leadership. I note Dublin again refused to lose a game and Mayo pushed their performance onwards. I wonder why they showed some consistency? Let me guess, it’s only February and the other sides are in heavy training.
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Post by Leathama on Feb 26, 2017 19:01:30 GMT
Ya to be quite honest, this 'heavy training' is a feeble excuse. We were as bad as we were against Roscommon last year, with purportedly a better 15 lining out.
Fitzmaurice categorically stated we were targeting/prioritising the league this year and reaching a league final at a minimum.
How lacklustre we were today is hard to believe.
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 26, 2017 19:06:27 GMT
Shambolic today on all fronts Could not agree more; management are currently all at sea, team selection and substitutions questionable for a second match in a row; against Mayo we pitched in Conor Keane corner forward, who had seen no game time in Donegal game, totally ignored today. Today we pitched in Kevin McCarthy at wing forward when we had a proven performer in Steven O'Brien available for this position- McCarthy is a full forward /corner forward for Kilcummin and bar playing Kerry minor has done little else since- if I am correct I think he spent last summer in the states, again very little football played.Adrian Spillane played there for approx 15 mins vs Mayo before he was moved to wing back- again not considered today. We had Ronan Shanahan at wing back, a position he has rarely occupied. What of Barry John? Overlooked for the Mayo game he comes in and scores 1-03; overlooked again today and gets 15 mins approx at the end- not saying he is the answer but its a sign of the inconsistency of the current management team. There were times in the first half, playing with a strong breeze that our mid fielders when in possession had no target up front as all the forwards were behind them- this is not good enough at this level and I think that the sideline need to sit down and evaluate things. One positive from today was the glaring need to introduce our U-21 stars when they end their campaign- I am talking about Jason Foley, Tom O'Sullivan, Brian O'Beaglaoich- the current team are simply not good enough for what lies ahead- maybe we should bring Jack into the set up too!
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Post by Kingdomson on Feb 26, 2017 19:18:45 GMT
Ya to be quite honest, this 'heavy training' is a feeble excuse. We were as bad as we were against Roscommon last year, with purportedly a better 15 lining out. Fitzmaurice categorically stated we were targeting/prioritising the league this year and reaching a league final at a minimum. How lacklustre we were today is hard to believe. Agreed. Ftizmaurice claimed he never had a stronger squad entering a league campaign and they had work done, including a positive McGrath Cup campaign. There are no excuses now. Moreover, it doesn't matter for me if it's February or last August, the poor in-game management on the line remains a concern.
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Post by piggott on Feb 26, 2017 19:53:52 GMT
They have to have a look at Kevin McCarthy, Conor Keane, Adrian Spillane etc to see how they perform in a competitive situation.No time now for trying guys out against Roscommon. County board have got to appeal BS red card, it was just a push.If he was from Cork Dublin or Mayo he would be available next Sunday.
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Post by carthalawn on Feb 26, 2017 20:04:01 GMT
Kerry's season may well depend on getting Maher back to full fitness and anchoring the midfield. He's an invaluable link player with an above average foot pass. His value to Kerry is often overlooked.
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