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Post by onlykerry on Feb 14, 2017 9:23:11 GMT
Kerry face Monaghan in R3. Venue is Killarney at 2pm on Sunday 26th.
The U21's will be unavailable we are told as they will be getting ready for Clare 10 days later. Will this mean more new faces or a return to action for a few of the older warriors.
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Post by keane on Feb 14, 2017 11:01:24 GMT
Hopefully we'll see everyone dropped from last weekend's catastrophe. Especially guys like James O'Donoghue who literally didn't get a kick. He's done * all since he kicked three points from play against Donegal, and that was nearly two weeks ago anyway.
Fitzmaurice should probably be killed at this stage.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 14, 2017 11:47:00 GMT
Could well see all the following back from the injured/rested list.
James O'Donoghue Paul Geaney Killian Young Shane Enright Stephen O'Brien Anthony Maher Bryan Sheehan
Also unless there's a replay Darran O'Sullivan could be back into the reckoning as the junior club final us this weekend. He might be rested/given the weekend off.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 14, 2017 15:01:23 GMT
Just thinking about it Kerry aren't going to be losing a huge amount to the U21s
The following 4 are the only U21s who featured so far in the league.
All 4 played in both games and got the following number of minutes
Tom O’Sullivan 112 Jason Foley 80 Conor Geaney 32 Barry O’Sullivan 13
All of the following "newcomers" will still be available for selection
Tadhg Morley Jack Barry Jack Savage Ronan Shanahan Adrian Spillane Conor Keane Brendan O’Sullivan
Also both Denis Daly and Gavin Crowley were unused subs in the first two league games so will be in the mix as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 17:22:10 GMT
This a big game for Kerry with the other tough games they have coming up. They need to pick up two points here at home. I would put Sheehan in goals at this stage. He can't do any worse than what we have. He could kick the frees and 45s . Shane Enright will be back so that's a plus. Stephen O'Brien should be back. I expect some changes to be made. The half forward line will be revamped. Darren o'Sullivan will be back.
1 Bryan Sheehan 2 Gavin Crowley 3 Mark Griffin 4 Shane Enright 5 Paul Murphy 6 Killian Young 7 Peter Crowley 8 David Moran 9 Jack Barry 10 Stephen O'Brien 11 Darren O'Sullivan 12 Adrian Spillane 13 Jack Savage 14 Paul Geaney 15 James O'Donoghue.
16 Dara O'Shea 17 Brendan O'Sullivan 18 Tadhg Morley 19 Donnacha Walsh 20 Denis Daly 21 Kieran Donaghy 22 Anthony Maher 23 Mark Reen 24 Nathan Breen 25 Kevin McCarthy 26 Cathay O'Luing.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 14, 2017 18:53:35 GMT
Stephen o brien? Jesus wept! There's no point in persisting with players that we know can't do it- the lad is willing but that's it
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 14, 2017 19:25:23 GMT
Stephen o brien? Jesus wept! There's no point in persisting with players that we know can't do it- the lad is willing but that's it We can't afford to give up on players so easily. O'Brien may need to improve his performances but that doesn't mean that he can't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2017 19:38:26 GMT
He's a lot better than mike Geaney and John Lyne and much more of a scoring threat.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 14, 2017 20:47:17 GMT
Stephen o brien? Jesus wept! There's no point in persisting with players that we know can't do it- the lad is willing but that's it We can't afford to give up on players so easily. O'Brien may need to improve his performances but that doesn't mean that he can't. He's been given about 4 years of opportunities- I wouldn't classify it as giving up on him too easily- good teams won't and don't worry about what he has to offer
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 14, 2017 20:49:40 GMT
He's a lot better than mike Geaney and John Lyne and much more of a scoring threat. You have to be much of a scoring threat to be much more of a scoring threat! I think they are all quite unlikely to hit scores against a really top team- too many chances have been given to a good few lads in the squad and they are stunting the development of you get players who at least might have the potential to improve
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Post by fitz on Feb 14, 2017 20:49:53 GMT
A very dangerous direct runner, decent point scoring too. Bad decisions of his own making are holding him back, sees plenty of ball, just knowing when to release it. Currently, unfortunately, status is still often "not knowing". Equalizer against Dublin from hopeless starting position in left half/left corner, it was even a goal chance, albeit an almost impossible angle. Someone should have followed in through the middle for a quick handpass for goal. Easily said from a memory of being in the stand, when they were all out on their feet. He's a definite for me in squad and playing at his best I think starts. His form to dictate when or from when he's used.
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Post by fitz on Feb 14, 2017 20:54:31 GMT
We can't afford to give up on players so easily. O'Brien may need to improve his performances but that doesn't mean that he can't. He's been given about 4 years of opportunities- I wouldn't classify it as giving up on him too easily- good teams won't and don't worry about what he has to offer He has a lot of pace. All teams worry about that. A direct running all round less effective McMenamon. He's his own worst enemy until now anyway
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Post by fitz on Feb 14, 2017 20:59:08 GMT
This a big game for Kerry with the other tough games they have coming up. They need to pick up two points here at home. I would put Sheehan in goals at this stage. He can't do any worse than what we have. He could kick the frees and 45s . Shane Enright will be back so that's a plus. Stephen O'Brien should be back. I expect some changes to be made. The half forward line will be revamped. Darren o'Sullivan will be back. 1 Bryan Sheehan 2 Gavin Crowley 3 Mark Griffin 4 Shane Enright 5 Paul Murphy 6 Killian Young 7 Peter Crowley 8 David Moran 9 Jack Barry 10 Stephen O'Brien 11 Darren O'Sullivan 12 Adrian Spillane 13 Jack Savage 14 Paul Geaney 15 James O'Donoghue. 16 Dara O'Shea 17 Brendan O'Sullivan 18 Tadhg Morley 19 Donnacha Walsh 20 Denis Daly 21 Kieran Donaghy 22 Anthony Maher 23 Mark Reen 24 Nathan Breen 25 Kevin McCarthy 26 Cathay O'Luing. Where is Brian O'Beggles?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 14, 2017 21:43:39 GMT
If it all it takes to worry teams is the ability to run quickly in straight lines then we should fill the team with sprinters-a less effective mcmenamon seems accurate. We seem to be looking and trying to mimic what other teams do without having the personnel- there's no point in filling the team with direct runners if they are running nowhere and doing nothing with the ball.
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Post by Premier on Feb 14, 2017 22:12:29 GMT
Hopefully we'll see everyone dropped from last weekend's catastrophe. Especially guys like James O'Donoghue who literally didn't get a kick. He's done * all since he kicked three points from play against Donegal, and that was nearly two weeks ago anyway. Fitzmaurice should probably be killed at this stage. Best comment I've seen
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Post by fitz on Feb 15, 2017 0:57:45 GMT
Hopefully we'll see everyone dropped from last weekend's catastrophe. Especially guys like James O'Donoghue who literally didn't get a kick. He's done * all since he kicked three points from play against Donegal, and that was nearly two weeks ago anyway. Fitzmaurice should probably be killed at this stage. Best comment I've seen Except, Keane just doesn't go far enough 🙂
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Post by kerryexile on Feb 15, 2017 9:20:36 GMT
I think O'Brien has been worth his place up to this point. He can turn an average attack into a very threatening situation. He has proven to be a problem for the Dublin defence, which is more than can be said for a lot of other. However the threat can often leave so much to be desired. He often reminds me of Aiden McGeady - no product from exceptional work.
The reason I said up to this point is because there are now a lot of good forwards coming on stream. If he doesn't get the parts he is missing he may struggle this season.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 15, 2017 9:31:11 GMT
Except, Keane just doesn't go far enough 🙂 And of course we have to shoot the messenger!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 15, 2017 9:50:07 GMT
I think O'Brien has been worth his place up to this point. He can turn an average attack into a very threatening situation. He has proven to be a problem for the Dublin defence, which is more than can be said for a lot of other. However the threat can often leave so much to be desired. He often reminds me of Aiden McGeady - no product from exceptional work. The reason I said up to this point is because there are now a lot of good forwards coming on stream. If he doesn't get the parts he is missing he may struggle this season. When has he proven to be a problem for the Dublin defence- they just sheppard him down a blind alley or turn him onto his left.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 15, 2017 10:28:27 GMT
Two points here and Kerry will be in a vastly different position to any other time under Eamonn three games into the NFL, as their first two games would suggest already. I'll be surprised, on current form, if they lost to Monaghan at home. Plenty of positives to be taken from the first two rounds despite the mire of pessimism around this board. Contrary to opinion, I would rate Kerry's performance in Letterkenny as very good for a first round of the NFL tie, either home or away.
Pity to be losing the u21s. The timing of this championship makes it very difficult to bed in new players in to the system. It would be great to see players such as Barry O'Sullivan getting a full NFL run. It would bring his game to another level and this would also be a plus for the u21 side.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 15, 2017 10:48:15 GMT
A rake of the u21s are playing sigerson on Friday and hopefully on Saturday. Then the u21 championship starts ....and some are with crokes in the club final so ... Hopefully they will all come well out of that schedule and pass their exams too.
If Kerry win the Munster u21, when are the semi final and final due to be run off.... I have it in the back of my mind that they have moved that phase to May or June.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 15, 2017 10:51:53 GMT
A rake of the u21s are playing sigerson on Friday and hopefully on Saturday. Then the u21 championship starts ....and some are with crokes in the club final so ... Hopefully they will all come well out of that schedule and pass their exams too. If Kerry win the Munster u21, when are the semi final and final due to be run off.... I have it in the back of my mind that they have moved that phase to May or June. It's some schedule indeed- a lot of players will be in the injury red zone (as the terminology goes)
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Post by veteran on Feb 15, 2017 12:54:05 GMT
A rake of the u21s are playing sigerson on Friday and hopefully on Saturday. Then the u21 championship starts ....and some are with crokes in the club final so ... Hopefully they will all come well out of that schedule and pass their exams too. If Kerry win the Munster u21, when are the semi final and final due to be run off.... I have it in the back of my mind that they have moved that phase to May or June. According to match programme at weekend S/F scheduled for 15/04/17 (v Connaught) and final on the 29/04/17.
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Post by kerryman72 on Feb 15, 2017 19:31:16 GMT
Main areas Kerry need to address before playing Monaghan are: 1 kickouts gameplan 2 mark Griffins position 3 tackling correctly 4 trying to get the best out of David Moran 5 half foward line are playing too deep when we get the ball in half back or midfeild we have no one to give it to 6 fowards taking on there men and not stopping and going backwards What do ye think can we add anything more to this
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 15, 2017 19:53:37 GMT
I think twas in 2008 that I witnessed paddy Bradley of Derry giving the mother of all roastings to a Kerry corner back. Perfect ball was being played into paddy Bradley due to a dominant Derry midfield. Darragh was being cleaned out but it was the corner back that carried the can in that second half. The corner back was twisted and turned as paddy kicked about 5 points from play.
If I recall correctly Derry won the league that day in Parnell park.
Did we hear of the corner back after. We did. His name was Marc o Se.
Could something similar be said for Mark griffins plight v mayo?
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Post by taggert on Feb 15, 2017 20:01:16 GMT
Mickmack, well no is the answer to the question you have posed, in my humble opinion. I have seen enough of Mark for club and county to know now that he is not a sticky, tight and crafty marker to put on any half decent forward. He does not have the smarts to play in the full back line and I dont think he is good enough to play in the half back line either.
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Post by MeathExile on Feb 15, 2017 20:30:26 GMT
Griffin is just not suited to a player like Moran - it's obvious to anyone. As I mentioned in an earlier post the same happened to Enright 2-3 years ago vs Monaghan in Killarney, except he was on a big lad competing for high balls that day. I think Eamonn leaves situations like these run in league matches for whatever reason - presumably to give them a hard lesson. I would expect a smaller/speedier player on the likes of Andy Moran in the championship - Griffin will be needed for the bigger beasts like Michael Murphy/Sean Cavanagh now that Aidan is gone.
I like NaCrocaighs idea on Sheehan - it has to be worth a shot in the league. Solves free taking problem and also ability to accurately place a ball in kick-out situation. If it was M Harte in charge of our lads I'd say it would have been tried by now.....
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Post by keane on Feb 15, 2017 21:16:53 GMT
Same thing happened Griffin on Brian Hurley in '14. Agree that Fitzmaurice seems to think there's some gain to be had by letting Griffin in particular get decorated in the league.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 15, 2017 22:05:10 GMT
Griffin is just not suited to a player like Moran - it's obvious to anyone. As I mentioned in an earlier post the same happened to Enright 2-3 years ago vs Monaghan in Killarney, except he was on a big lad competing for high balls that day. I think Eamonn leaves situations like these run in league matches for whatever reason - presumably to give them a hard lesson. I would expect a smaller/speedier player on the likes of Andy Moran in the championship - Griffin will be needed for the bigger beasts like Michael Murphy/Sean Cavanagh now that Aidan is gone. I like NaCrocaighs idea on Sheehan - it has to be worth a shot in the league. Solves free taking problem and also ability to accurately place a ball in kick-out situation. If it was M Harte in charge of our lads I'd say it would have been tried by now..... Like that fella Morgan??
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Post by brucewayne on Feb 16, 2017 0:00:26 GMT
Same thing happened Griffin on Brian Hurley in '14. Agree that Fitzmaurice seems to think there's some gain to be had by letting Griffin in particular get decorated in the league. Is there a chance that the decision to remedy such an obvious problem should sometimes be left in the hands of the players on the pitch?
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