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Post by onlykerry on Feb 14, 2017 15:15:30 GMT
Will the Crokes lads be available for the U21 fixture on the 8th and if they overcome Clare for the SF a week later on the 15th (two days before Crokes AI final)?
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Post by northkerry5 on Feb 14, 2017 17:28:08 GMT
Will the Crokes lads be available for the U21 fixture on the 8th and if they overcome Clare for the SF a week later on the 15th (two days before Crokes AI final)? good question but none of the crokes players start for the senior team however they do come on as subs and make a real impact so it will be instersting to see
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 14, 2017 17:39:35 GMT
Will the Crokes lads be available for the U21 fixture on the 8th and if they overcome Clare for the SF a week later on the 15th (two days before Crokes AI final)? The Crokes players ( Gavin White, Micheal Burns & Jordan Kiely) will not be available to Kerry until after 17th March which would mean the final - think Brian O'Beaglaoich will miss the entire Munster campaign with a leg injury.
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Post by veteran on Feb 14, 2017 22:30:51 GMT
Will the Crokes lads be available for the U21 fixture on the 8th and if they overcome Clare for the SF a week later on the 15th (two days before Crokes AI final)? The Crokes players ( Gavin White, Micheal Burns & Jordan Kiely) will not be available to Kerry until after 17th March which would mean the final - think Brian O'Beaglaoich will miss the entire Munster campaign with a leg injury. That seriously depletes the team for a likely trip to Cork. Add in the loss of Mark O'Connor and you are down a third of your best team. You had fellows on here llast week picking tow Kerry u21 teams so strong were they asserting that we were at this level. I won't be putting my meagre life savings on Jack ending our u21 misery in 2017 if the absentees are as predicted.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 14, 2017 22:58:53 GMT
The Crokes players ( Gavin White, Micheal Burns & Jordan Kiely) will not be available to Kerry until after 17th March which would mean the final - think Brian O'Beaglaoich will miss the entire Munster campaign with a leg injury. That seriously depletes the team for a likely trip to Cork. Add in the loss of Mark O'Connor and you are down a third of your best team. You had fellows on here llast week picking tow Kerry u21 teams so strong were they asserting that we were at this level. I won't be putting my meagre life savings on Jack ending our u21 misery in 2017 if the absentees are as predicted. Mark O'Connor is gone and shouldn't be considered a part of this team.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 14, 2017 23:05:06 GMT
Kerry cant play Cork till the final on the 29th March ...unless I am misreading things.
Kerry should manage Clare and Waterford with a depleted team
We dont want a replay by Crokes
or the club final to be put back should slaughtneill be in both codes
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Post by smokey on Feb 14, 2017 23:50:15 GMT
I haven't seen Patrick Cliffords name mentioned at all. He was flying it last year in the county championship and for Templenoe as well. I presume he's still out injured, I think it was his shoulder he injured in the county semi final. Is he out for the season with that? A significant loss if that's the case.
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Post by mandad on Feb 15, 2017 9:54:28 GMT
Some of the Crokes lads mentioned (maybe all) have been involved in training with the u21 panel. There is a very good understanding, at management level, of the all the needs in these situations and they work around them very well.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 15, 2017 10:34:44 GMT
If I'm correct, this is the last opportunity also for the u20s on this years team with the grade going to u20 next year?
It will also be impossible to play u20s in next years NFL as to do so would rule them ineligible to be played in the summer u20 grade next year?
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Post by ruralgaa on Feb 15, 2017 11:17:30 GMT
I haven't seen Patrick Cliffords name mentioned at all. He was flying it last year in the county championship and for Templenoe as well. I presume he's still out injured, I think it was his shoulder he injured in the county semi final. Is he out for the season with that? A significant loss if that's the case. He had surgery on the shoulder over Christmas so it may be a while before he is back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2017 14:09:53 GMT
Even with all that said they still should be beating Clare and Waterford if they have aspirations of winning an all Ireland. I doubt the Crokes players will be allowed play . The Clare game is the 8th of March and the Waterford game is the 15th. Missing O'Beaglaoich and the Crokes lads but they still have the talent to make the Munster final. Or should have at least. Cork play the winners of tipp and limerick the same night. Kerry still have plenty talent available. 1 Shane Ryan / Eoin O' Brien 2 Tom Leo O'Sullivan / Darren Brosnan / Dan O'Donoghue 3 Jason Foley / Niall Collins 4 Tom O'Sullivan / Mike Breen / Jack Morgan 5 Brian Sugrue / Cormac Coffey / Graham O'Sullivan 6 Andrew Barry / Rob Wharton / Dara O'Shea 7 Daniel O'Brien / Michael Foley / Caolam Teahan 8 Barry O'Sullivan / Mark Ryan 9 John M Foley / Liam Kearney 10 Sean O'Shea / Dara Moynihan 11 Brian O'Seanachain / Liam Carey 12 Brandon Barrett / Matt Flaherty / Lee O'Donoghue 13 Conor Geaney / Mike Foley / Ivan Parker 14 Matt O'Sullivan / Cormac Linnane / Bryan Sweeney 15 Killian Spillane / Cathal Bambury / Evan Cronin Plenty talent there
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 15, 2017 15:26:32 GMT
Burns, Jordan and Brosnan playing no football at the momnet, in limbo while sitting on the Crokes bench all summer and not allowed to play u21 for Kerry at the moment. Not ideal.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 16, 2017 12:44:06 GMT
Hands up, highlighting this disadvantage goes against a lot of what I believe in and paints me as a hypocrite. I know in my heart that I know I made the comment in an effort to dampen expectation. There is a lot of pressure on this U-21 side. I know they are doing their absolute best but it is knockout and there is no next year. Cool the jets. Up Kerry. Hmmm. I dunno about the "what I believe in" bit. In my experience it is far safer to judge a situation on the facts or evidence before you. Maybe "Beliefs" are for those who can't think for themselves, but I don't believe that either!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 13:37:16 GMT
Cork have 7 starters from last years u21 final. Add in about 5 subs so yeah still have a good side no doubt. However they are missing Stephen Cronin , Sean White, and Peter Kelleher who in my opinion were they're best players and the reason they went as far as they did. Kerry have 11 starters from last year minus Mark o Connor of course plus 5 subs. Also Kerry are backboned by 3 all Ireland winning minors teams. That Cork minor team in 2014 were beaten by Dublin in the quarterfinals who in turn got beaten by donegal who in turn got beaten by Kerry . Last year corks minor team were well beaten by Donegal in the quarterfinals who in turn were beaten by Galway who in turn were beaten by Kerry. So I wouldn't be that worried about them. They are not as strong as other years. I have confidence in Jack getting it right this time. Tipp will give cork enough of it I bet in the semis.
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Post by A.N. Other on Feb 20, 2017 22:46:10 GMT
Even with all that said they still should be beating Clare and Waterford if they have aspirations of winning an all Ireland. I doubt the Crokes players will be allowed play . The Clare game is the 8th of March and the Waterford game is the 15th. Missing O'Beaglaoich and the Crokes lads but they still have the talent to make the Munster final. Or should have at least. Cork play the winners of tipp and limerick the same night. Kerry still have plenty talent available. 1 Shane Ryan / Eoin O' Brien 2 Tom Leo O'Sullivan / Darren Brosnan / Dan O'Donoghue 3 Jason Foley / Niall Collins 4 Tom O'Sullivan / Mike Breen / Jack Morgan 5 Brian Sugrue / Cormac Coffey / Graham O'Sullivan 6 Andrew Barry / Rob Wharton / Dara O'Shea 7 Daniel O'Brien / Michael Foley / Caolam Teahan 8 Barry O'Sullivan / Mark Ryan 9 John M Foley / Liam Kearney 10 Sean O'Shea / Dara Moynihan 11 Brian O'Seanachain / Liam Carey 12 Brandon Barrett / Matt Flaherty / Lee O'Donoghue 13 Conor Geaney / Mike Foley / Ivan Parker 14 Matt O'Sullivan / Cormac Linnane / Bryan Sweeney 15 Killian Spillane / Cathal Bambury / Evan Cronin Plenty talent there Darren Brosnan, Liam Carey, Liam Kearney and Wharton dropped from the panel from what I have heard. I would almost guarantee O'Seanchain and O'Sullivan to be midfield. You won't be far off with the rest of the team I'd say. Lee O'Donoghue half forward and O'Shea in the centre and Bambury instead of Spillane. Backs could be shuffled bit also.
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Post by Whosinmidfield on Feb 22, 2017 15:55:17 GMT
Liam Kearney dropped?? Jack really doesn't seem to rate him. Surprising he is dropped, great player and especially with the lack of midfielders.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 19:34:20 GMT
I picked a non Kerry u21 team who I think will have big impacts this year for their Counties and have bright futures for their Counties.
1 Evan Comerford (Dublin) 2 Sean Kelly (Galway) 3 Seamus Cunniffe (Mayo) 4 Kevin Flahive (Cork) 5 Stephen McMenamin (Donegal) 6 Shea Ryan (Kildare) 7 James Mealiff (Monaghan) 8 Matthew Ruane (Mayo) 9 Eoghan Gallagher (Donegal) 10 Sean Powter (Cork) 11 Colm Basquel (Dublin) 12 Stephen McBrearty (Donegal) 13 Con O'Callaghan (Dublin) 14 Oisin O'Neill (Armagh) 15 Shane McGuigan (Derry)
Michael Hurley (Cork) and Jimmy Hyland (Kildare) are injured but have bright futures. Jack Kennedy (Tipperary) is another one. Aidan Rushe (Armagh) Brian Stack (Roscommon) and Brian Conlon (Meath) are others.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Feb 24, 2017 9:41:50 GMT
Basquel reminds me of Darren O Sull when he first burst onto the scene- so much direct running! You can see the fear on defenders faces when he gets the ball- he can drift out quite easily though
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:47:00 GMT
He's a good player. Gavin seems willing to give him a chance this year. It will be hard to make the Dublin panel this year with all the good forwards they have. Dublin are decent at u21 level this year. Them or Kildare in Leinster I think . John smalls brother Paddy will be another forward for them. Kildare are good but they will probably meet each other in the Leinster semis . I thought Meath might be ok but they got beaten. Looks like Wexford or Laois on the other side. Ulster will be tough. Donegal will probably be the favorites but Derry Armagh Tyrone and Monaghan will be decent too. They all have good players. McGuigan is a fine player for Derry from the slaughtneil club. Oisin o Neill too from crossmaglen. Nephew of Oisin mcconville . Fine player. Galway or Mayo in Connacht I'd say. Although you can't ever rule out Roscommon. Kerry for me ha verge strongest panel. I don't think any of them will have the subs that Kerry will have.
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Post by hugh20 on Feb 24, 2017 16:36:22 GMT
Burns, Jordan and Brosnan playing no football at the momnet, in limbo while sitting on the Crokes bench all summer and not allowed to play u21 for Kerry at the moment. Not ideal. Brosnan is overage for u21 level this year. They all seem to bring another dimension to Crokes attacking unit when introduced and while it is not ideal for Kerry u21s, these lads are as sharp as you can get if needed after Paddy's Day. The Crokes A vs B games are extremely competitive akin to proper county championship fixtures. The B team line out with their 6 forwards: Burns, Chris Brady, Bryan O Shea, Jordan Kiely, Jamie Doolan and Tony Brosnan......those training sessions are likely to be more benficial than challenges against Sigerson teams or other under 21 counties.
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Post by homerj on Feb 25, 2017 23:36:26 GMT
are the crokes lads really not allowed play with the under 21s?
would have expected them involved, isnt there potentially up to 6 or 7 of them who could make the panel?
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Post by greengold35 on Feb 26, 2017 10:12:02 GMT
are the crokes lads really not allowed play with the under 21s? would have expected them involved, isnt there potentially up to 6 or 7 of them who could make the panel? Crokes players are club tied until after club final- White, Burns & Kiely involved.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 26, 2017 16:47:21 GMT
Omitting the injured and club tied (and immigrants) what is our U21 team for the Clare game shaping up to be. Any new prospects joining our victorious minors of three years ago?
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Post by nk1 on Feb 26, 2017 17:23:46 GMT
Omitting the injured and club tied (and immigrants) what is our U21 team for the Clare game shaping up to be. Any new prospects joining our victorious minors of three years ago? . Oshanachan and foley were on panel but are now starters ,Brandon Barrett , Sean oshea and Conor geaney will most likely start and Dan obrien will be on panel Gavin white will start I don't know if he was there in 2014. All in all the new lads are top notch and will improve the team
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 11:38:46 GMT
The dubs play Westmeath tonight. Interesting to see how they get on. Evan Comerford in goals . A good prospect. Brian Howard at wing back another good player. Con O'Callaghan and Colm Basquel in the half forward line. That's 4 players who the dubs have big hopes for. Paddy Small is out injured. He's another one.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 1, 2017 16:31:02 GMT
Those who featured for the 2014 minor panel were as follows (according to Terracetalk)
Appearances: 6 - Michéal Burns, Cormac Coffey, Matthew Flaherty, Liam Kearney, Jordan Kiely, Brian O'Beaglaoich, Mark O'Connor, Tomás Ó'Sé, Barry O'Sullivan, Stephen O'Sullivan, Tom O'Sullivan, Brian Rayel, Shane Ryan, Killian Spillane, Brian Sugrue. 5 - Andrew Barry, Dan O'Donoghue. 4 - Liam Carey, Ivan Parker, Robert Wharton. 3 - Jason Foley. 2 - Jack Morgan. 1 - Cathal Bambury, Patrick Clifford, Shane Cronin, David Roche, Sean Ryan,
Scorers for the Year: Killian Spillane (0-39) Jordan Kiely (5-6) Tomás Ó'Sé (4-5) Matthew Flaherty (0-9) Michéal Burns (0-9) Liam Carey (0-9) Shane Ryan (0-4) Brian Rayel (0-4) Stephen O'Sullivan (0-3) Barry O'Sullivan (0-3) Cormac Coffey (0-2) Tom O'Sullivan (0-1) Liam Kearney (0-1) Mark O'Connor (0-1) Ivan Parker (0-1)
Total Scored: 9 goals and 97 points by 15 different players Total Conceded: 6 goals and 52 points points
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Post by kot on Mar 2, 2017 13:23:24 GMT
Kildare beaten by Longford....
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 2, 2017 14:20:51 GMT
A key stat for everyone to keep in mind
Only 7 teams who have won the All-Ireland minor football championship have gone on to win the U21 championship 3 years later - that's out of 53 years where there has been an U21 championship and Kerry have never done it.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2017 14:53:56 GMT
is Darragh Spillane still an U21 and with the Dublin panel? Didn't play in them massacring Westmeath. Still involved with Cuala footballers as far as I'm aware.
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 2, 2017 15:52:47 GMT
A key stat for everyone to keep in mind Only 7 teams who have won the All-Ireland minor football championship have gone on to win the U21 championship 3 years later - that's out of 53 years where there has been an U21 championship and Kerry have never done it. I make it out to have happened 10 times...with Cork having done it 5 times, Mayo twice, and Tyrone, Meath and Derry getting it done once each. My review is based on wikipedia records by the way, so usual disclaimers apply.
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