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Post by givehimaball on Mar 23, 2017 23:06:51 GMT
If Kerry win their last two matches and Mayo beat Donegal at home, Kerry and Donegal would be on the same points. Given that Kerry beat Donegal would Kerry be ranked higher than Donegal in the placings..............or does scoring difference come into play Head-to-head if only 2 teams on same points. 3 teams on equal points => scoring differnce.
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Post by peanuts on Mar 23, 2017 23:12:14 GMT
If Kerry win their last two matches and Mayo beat Donegal at home, Kerry and Donegal would be on the same points. Given that Kerry beat Donegal would Kerry be ranked higher than Donegal in the placings..............or does scoring difference come into play AFAIK MM if its 2 teams that are level on points then its head to head. if there are 3 teams then it comes down to scoring difference. This is how it has been over the last few years and I presume its the same this year.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 24, 2017 8:23:35 GMT
Brexit 'possibly most critical event for the GAA in our lifetime'
‘Tyrone talks' series will discuss issues on the eve of Article 50 being triggered
about 7 hours ago Seán Moran
It is described in the publicity for the event as “possibly the most critical event for the GAA in our lifetime” and yet remains something about which virtually nothing is known. By coincidence the “Tyrone Talks” series that grapples with various cultural issues is to look at the implications for the GAA of British withdrawal from the EU on the eve of the formal triggering of Article 50, to confirm that departure, which takes place next Wednesday 29th March.
The previous evening will see former GAA president and well-known business man Peter Quinn will give a speech on his thoughts on the matter at the Tyrone GAA Centre in Garvaghey.
One of those behind the “Tyrone Talk” series is Mark Conway, founder of both Club Tyrone, the county’s GAA support vehicle, and “Of One Belief”, the lobby group that opposed the introduction of government grants to intercounty players 10 years ago.
He acknowledges that the Brexit issue is too vague at the moment to devise solutions but believes that someone has to get the ball rolling in terms of identifying potential problems.
‘Impact’ “What’s the impact going to be of a hard border? Will it be between north and south or east and west? “We picked Peter Quinn because no one’s an expert on this stuff yet but there’s no one better than Peter given his background in business, construction and the GAA to give us his tuppence worth on what he thinks might be the nature of this and what might be the impact on us.”
The obvious worry about border controls stems from the memories of life during the Troubles when travelling between North and South could be very difficult and had regular implications for the GAA. “Big long queues at the checkpoints,” Conway recalls. “That was to do with the conflict but it entered the consciousness of a generation of us. This event was organised to consider what impact this might have on us. Maybe it was a bit of Tyrone arrogance but we thought we’d run a wee session on it.
“There can be six or 60 at these meetings so we’ll see who turns up.” The GAA has been represented at the all-island Civic Dialogue on Brexit in Dublin Castle but with everyone in the dark as to the precise provisions of British departure from the EU, even contingency planning is difficult. There are already currency problems anyway, as for instance Croke Park grants are made in euro and their value in Ulster subject to exchange rate fluctuation.
Conway says that the experiences of the 1970s and ’80s left their mark on the GAA in Ulster and makes the association in the North wary of anything that might replicate the isolation that was felt in those difficult decades when the conflict created a distance between the six counties from the rest of the island, an alienation that was felt on the playing fields with no Ulster county winning a senior All-Ireland between Down’s 1968 and ’91 victories, which all but book-ended the Troubles. ‘Hung up’ “People ask us, ‘why are you so hung up on the GAA? It’s not life and death’. One of the reasons is that if you lived through the bad times and for a generation the time of our lives was spent in the bad times, the GAA was the anchor. Others might have forgotten about us and others might have liked to push us into a corner but the GAA never did that. That isn’t forgotten and it’s why GAA values remain so important.”
He points out that anything which adversely impacts on the economic life of the community has obvious implications for the GAA. The biggest industries in Tyrone for instance are to do with building materials and food processing. Even if the decision is taken to establish border controls on the coast of Britain that will have implications for those industries, which rely on export markets. It would also he believes impact on the GAA.
“When the Good Friday Agreement was all done and dusted one of the key areas was North-South relationships but there was also the question of east-west relationships and the GAA is one of the few organisations to do anything about that. They do in a simple way that doesn’t get much of a profile – the hurling-shinty connection.
“I think that has huge cultural value and is one way of bringing life to that east-west connection. If you stand in north Antrim today and the sun is shining you can see Scotland. There’s more affinity in the hurling heartlands of north Antrim with the west of Scotland than there is with the deep south of Ireland. That physical distance is hugely significant.”
Tyrone Talks Brexit@Garvaghey takes place in the Tyrone GAA Centre in Garvaghey at 8.00 next Tuesday evening, 28th March. Admission is free and all are welcome.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 24, 2017 17:53:43 GMT
The Colm Cooper conundrum 168 Friday, March 24, 2017 Colm Cooper met with Kerry manager Eamonn Fitzmaurice yesterday to discuss a Kerry return or retirement from the inter-county game at 33. Tony Leen examines the possible issues at play.
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September success
The lure of a sixth, and probably final, All-Ireland medal — this time on the field of play. It’s unlikely Gooch places much store in his 2014 Celtic Cross, as he was a peripheral figure after doing serious damage to his knee earlier that year, in the All-Ireland club semi-final for Dr Crokes against Castlebar.
Gooch said last week the club final win over Slaughtneil was one of his most coveted All-Ireland medals. He never said it was to be his last. advertisement
Quarterback role
It’s unlikely that Cooper would be a championship starter with Kerry this summer — certainly Fitzmaurice could offer no such guarantee — but he would be an extremely valuable game management option for the Kingdom.
It’s too simplistic to suggest Kerry would have held on against Dublin in Tralee last Saturday had he been on the field at the end of the game, but there’s few better in the country at quarterbacking a team — as Slaughtneil found to their frustration on St Patrick’s Day.
Short summer
It’s not like Gooch is looking down the barrel of a long stretch of training slog in 2017. By the time he would return to the fold, April would be more or less done.
Even if everything goes according to plan and Kerry are involved til September, that’s still only a five-month stint of work and sharpening up.
Retirement can wait
How great is the lure of perhaps taking Dublin down one last time? That’s only a question Cooper can answer himself, but he has yet to defeat the Dubs in September, even though he has delivered some masterful performances against them in 2011, and especially 2013.
The ‘startled earwigs’ quarter-final of 2009 seems a long time ago now. In fact, it’s the last All-Ireland Gooch won on the field of play. There was at least one colleague who felt the pangs of regret after calling it a day before Kerry’s 2014 success.
Fitzmaurice will probably point out to the Killarney man that he doesn’t want to be retired and wondering ‘what if?’
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Limited role
It’s likelier than not that Colm Cooper did more listening than talking when he met the Kerry manager yesterday. Primarily about what role Fitzmaurice has in mind for his most gifted talent. And how he sold the fact Gooch will hardly be a 70- minute player at the business end of things later this summer and into autumn.
However, if he has lost a yard or two of pace and fitness, his football brain remains razor sharp. There’s no way Fitzmaurice would waste his talisman chasing Philly McMahon up the pitch this summer. His role would be more likely as a closer — the fresh arm of relief pitching sprung from the bullpen.
The knee issue
The damage done to his right knee on that fateful February afternoon in Portlaoise would have ended the career of most players. Cooper suffered a broken kneecap and cruciate ligament damage. Even with the best and most rigorous rehabilitation, the chances of a full recovery at 33 must be questionable. Would he be able to put it under the physical duress required to get back up to inter-county speed at this stage?
A terrible passenger
The idea of Cooper being a virtual passenger in the Kerry squad — only being used in break glass emergency cases — would be anathema to him at this stage of his career. He will only return to the fold if he believes he can make a tangible difference on the pitch when it matters.
As an inside forward, it’s unlikely he’d continue to make an impact in key games. His role would surely be further from goal, orchestrating the attack and controlling the pace of the game. But if he is operating as an 11, does that make it more likely opposition tactics will target him as a Kerry weakness when the Kingdom don’t have the ball?
It will be up to Fitzmaurice to convince him that they can tailor their gameplan and their selections to ensure he is spending as little time as possible chasing back towards his own goal. And in today’s terms, is that feasible?
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 3, 2017 0:10:36 GMT
Thanks for pointing out the errors in my previous effort. ............. Sunday next away to Cavan Wednesday 29/3 Final U21 final v Cork April 1st ..Hogan Cup final April 2nd Home to Tyrone Sunday 9th.... League final...a bit optimistic I know but Mayo might beat Donegal in the final game April 12th ... minor campaign begins Saturday, April 15, 2017 Semi-Final U21 Connacht v Munster Saturday, April 29, 2017 U21 Final Four down....three to go. It could be a great april yet...and munster semi final on the weekend of the 22nd in the aviva.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 6, 2017 21:08:32 GMT
put up recently.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 11, 2017 11:12:11 GMT
Whats the current situation with Tommy Walsh regarding playing for Kerry?
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 11, 2017 21:27:05 GMT
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Post by hugh20 on Apr 12, 2017 8:12:42 GMT
Maybe someone has an idea how he has done in the county league thus far with the Narries. Personally, I think he lacks the mobility to be involved, that is going on the last few times I have seen him but if he can show form in the County Championship then maybe he might be worth looking at again.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 12, 2017 8:15:12 GMT
He won an all ireland medal on his first start in the championship for kerry in an all ireland final. He had already won a waterford county championship medal at that stage. Who is he
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 12, 2017 19:24:26 GMT
He won an all ireland medal on his first start in the championship for kerry in an all ireland final. He had already won a waterford county championship medal at that stage. Who is he Mick, I will admit I did not know this, but referred to some material I have, and think it is Johnny Walsh of Ballylongford. He played his first Championship game in 1932 in the All-Ireland Final v Mayo (in midfield no less). He had a Waterford hurling Co. Champ with De La Salle.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 12, 2017 19:29:01 GMT
He won an all ireland medal on his first start in the championship for kerry in an all ireland final. He had already won a waterford county championship medal at that stage. Who is he Mick, I will admit I did not know this, but referred to some material I have, and think it is Johnny Walsh of Ballylongford. He played his first Championship game in 1932 in the All-Ireland Final v Mayo (in midfield no less). He had a Waterford hurling Co. Champ with De La Salle. Correct and he also played rugby for garryowen and for Munster Senior Rugby team. Are you sure twas a hurling medal he won in Waterford. I presumed twas football
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 12, 2017 20:00:02 GMT
Ogie took over as Kerry manager at a tough time to say the least. I would argue that Ogie had a worse hand to deal with than Mickey Ned. Last night on Newstalk it was suggested that Maurice Fitz was only breaking through when Ogie came in but of course he was established since 1988. The remnants of the Golden Years team were all gone, though Ogie brought Bomber Liston back from retirement in 1993. It didn't really work out. That Kerry v Cork game in 1993 was one of the most flattering 3 point defeats ever suffered by a Kerry team. 1994 is definitely the year in Ogie's time where Kerry should have beaten Cork. Bad misses cost Kerry. Ogie got huge stick in 1995 for placing Dara O Cinneide at wing-back. In fairness he had played there under-age. It definitely wasn't as crazy a move as it was painted. There was a bit of a nasty undercurrent in 1995 as Paddy Bawn Brosnan had died on the morning of the game, and people were saying the men of 1995 were lesser men than Paddy Bawn and Co. In truth Kerry were probably not hugely far off back then. It is interesting to wonder how they would have fared through a back door. I think (and there is no way of being certain) that they would have been a regular Quarter Final team, maybe getting to the semi once or twice. Much like Eamonn Fitzmaurice's teams only ever losing to Dublin in the Championship, Ogie's teams only lost to Cork, but that Cork team of course did not go on to win the All-Ireland in any of the years in question. Cork had an easy stroll to the All-Ireland final in 1993 as Mayo were absolutely dreadful in the All-Ireland semi-final (must have been one of the worst displays ever in an All-Ireland semi). In 1994 Cork lost to Down in the semi, and to Dublin in 1995. So Cork lost to the eventual winners all those 3 years. Kerry's big problem under Ogie was midfield. Maurice Fitzgerald often had to be brought back there. Darragh was young and only emerging, and the U21 group of 1995 and 1996 also had William Kirby and Donal Daly who came to the fore in Paidi's early years. Full back was a problem also.
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 12, 2017 20:06:09 GMT
Mick, I will admit I did not know this, but referred to some material I have, and think it is Johnny Walsh of Ballylongford. He played his first Championship game in 1932 in the All-Ireland Final v Mayo (in midfield no less). He had a Waterford hurling Co. Champ with De La Salle. Correct and he also played rugby for garryowen and for Munster Senior Rugby team. Are you sure twas a hurling medal he won in Waterford. I presumed twas football His Kerryman obit says hurling which is more impressive if correct!
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 13, 2017 8:08:59 GMT
I picked up a book called Voices of Kerry by Tim Woulfe in a second hand bookshop recently. Published in 1994, it interviewed prominent Kerry people at that time about growing up in Kerry and how it shaped them. A few are ..John B Keane, Bryan McMahon, Ogie as he was the Kerry manager, Denis Brosnan of Kerry group (who said that he was a total outsider in The Sem as he had never played football growing up in Kilflynn as he had only ever played hurling), Joe OToole, Johnny Walsh and it was a Waterford football medal...I checked it back,
One contributor, I cant recall who, said that there is a big difference between North Kerry people and South Kerry people. The Normans advance was stopped by a big battle in Kilgarvan so South Kerry people are Celts while North Kerry people are Normans. There you go.................
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 13, 2017 8:15:37 GMT
Ya, we don't let the rift raft in down south!
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 13, 2017 8:30:46 GMT
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Post by ballynamona on Apr 13, 2017 19:23:21 GMT
I picked up a book called Voices of Kerry by Tim Woulfe in a second hand bookshop recently. Published in 1994, it interviewed prominent Kerry people at that time about growing up in Kerry and how it shaped them. A few are ..John B Keane, Bryan McMahon, Ogie as he was the Kerry manager, Denis Brosnan of Kerry group (who said that he was a total outsider in The Sem as he had never played football growing up in Kilflynn as he had only ever played hurling), Joe OToole, Johnny Walsh and it was a Waterford football medal...I checked it back, One contributor, I cant recall who, said that there is a big difference between North Kerry people and South Kerry people. The Normans advance was stopped by a big battle in Kilgarvan so South Kerry people are Celts while North Kerry people are Normans. There you go................. Castlemaine was the border. The differences in geography I think would have also played a part...
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 19, 2017 9:36:51 GMT
Article in the Indo today talking about how Kerry have the most black cards in the league over the past four seasons.
Time for us to own it and say we are cynical?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2017 9:57:59 GMT
Black card does not necessarily equal cynical. It says more about poor tackle technique and poor decision making.
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Post by glengael on Apr 19, 2017 10:18:50 GMT
Black card does not necessarily equal cynical. It says more about poor tackle technique and poor decision making. Plus the inconsistency in the application of the rules by referees. One man's black card is another mans give-the-two-of-them-a-yellow-to-keep-both-sides-happy/equally unhappy and another man's 'play on sure there was nothing wrong at all with that'.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Apr 19, 2017 10:24:44 GMT
Black card does not necessarily equal cynical. It says more about poor tackle technique and poor decision making. Plus the inconsistency in the application of the rules by referees. One man's black card is another mans give-the-two-of-them-a-yellow-to-keep-both-sides-happy/equally unhappy and another man's 'play on sure there was nothing wrong at all with that'. Any inconsistencies get levelled out over four years.
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Post by boots on Apr 19, 2017 10:31:29 GMT
Here's that article about the 25 black cards in 4 years. indo.ie/TH4H30aYfzqWe're as cynical as all the rest. And we shouldnt need to count the black cards to realise it. Not that there's anything wrong with it.
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Post by keane on Apr 19, 2017 11:21:55 GMT
I'd say we're probably towards the top of the table in cynicism alright.
I'd be happier if we could match Dublin's superb screening set-ups for as long as refs aren't able to spot them.
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Post by kerrygold on Apr 19, 2017 11:54:38 GMT
Kerry win the league and beat Dublin in the final. Kerry have become cynical by the media. Yyyaaaawwwwnnn.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2017 12:27:44 GMT
If only maher was on hand to pull down mcmenamin in 2011. Cynical is good. Naive is bad. Cynics win
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Post by skybluezone on Apr 19, 2017 12:38:21 GMT
Plus the inconsistency in the application of the rules by referees. One man's black card is another mans give-the-two-of-them-a-yellow-to-keep-both-sides-happy/equally unhappy and another man's 'play on sure there was nothing wrong at all with that'. Any inconsistencies get levelled out over four years.It is a crude barometer, but a barometer nonetheless. So I agree with the above in bold. Eg; Fenton maybe could have got black in the final, Connolly got black v Monaghan but it wasn't a black. Puts a different perspective on Fitzmaurice chatter before league final. And gives Rochford, Harte, Gavin and Gallagher a few arrows to fire in the pre match interviews should any of them come across Kerry in championship.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 19, 2017 12:48:55 GMT
Skybluezone.... Do you the media have substituted kerry for lee keegan ....
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Post by glengael on Apr 19, 2017 13:24:37 GMT
The media narrative is at least consistent.
When Kerry win, they must have been cynical and have departed from the pure style of football that 'traditionalists' within the county hold close to their hearts.
When Kerry lose, they are 'naive' or 'swallowed up by harsh new realities of dynamic modern football as invented by Mickey Harte/Jim McGuinness/Jim Gavin (delete as applicable)' or 'unable to cope with the intensity/workrate/fitness/pace/unbelievable work ethic of the opposition'. Poor sentimental eejits that they are, oh, lets roll out that footage from 2003 again to prove our point.
If Monaghan had won the League final, I doubt this article would have appeared.
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Post by keane on Apr 19, 2017 13:26:04 GMT
It's alright lads, they're talking about us again
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