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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 6, 2017 16:07:59 GMT
Lads too many of you put too much faith in Brendan O Sull because he's a horse of a man- I know the game is becoming more physical, etc but the jury must surely still be, at best, out. As much as I hate to say it I agree but there is a striking positive, his weakness/vulnerability is obvious, so much so that Donegal exploited it, then cuddled him up and forced a free for not releasing the ball, played on his clumsiness, or whatever people want to call it. He would have gotten away with it at club level as his other abilities would have him sweep lads away, not so at county level. I think he is a kind of lad you just want to succeed and hopefully he will, maybe Maurice will get to work on him and it can be done? He is oozing of enthusiasm and what a day 'twould be to see him walk those final steps.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 6, 2017 16:39:05 GMT
I think the Proboards members should meet up at games and the league presents a great opportunity as they are all over the country. I know he will kill me but I propose Seoirse Ui Duic as the organiser - as a tour guide he is a good at that.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2017 18:09:25 GMT
Had to make do with Ambrose and Garry and the deferred coverage on TG4 so I can't say a whole pile about the game but even taking the opposition into account its hard not to be very happy with this display. Of the new lads, Tom Sullivan and Jack Barry showed some great 'cut' about them. Both goals came from our kick outs which was good to see. I wouldn't be too concerned about the last ten minutes either. Roll on Saturday night, I'm sure mayo have targeted this game all winter so it should be a good contest. I hope Mayo are up for it and set up properly in defense like in the final v Dublin last year. Donegal played without a sweeper and McGee couldn't start due to illness.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 6, 2017 18:13:44 GMT
Donegal played pretty much with 13 behind the ball when defending yesterday in the main.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 6, 2017 18:16:04 GMT
Lads too many of you put too much faith in Brendan O Sull because he's a horse of a man- I know the game is becoming more physical, etc but the jury must surely still be, at best, out. Jack Barry seems to have overtaken him in the pecking order at the moment. They may be looking at a short impact burst from Brendan O'Sullivan.
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Post by southward on Feb 6, 2017 19:22:05 GMT
Lads too many of you put too much faith in Brendan O Sull because he's a horse of a man- I know the game is becoming more physical, etc but the jury must surely still be, at best, out. Had to laugh at little Ryan McHugh hopping off him at one point, off the ball. Fair play to him; I wouldn't.
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Post by southward on Feb 6, 2017 19:28:26 GMT
Shane Enright took a ferocious hit from Michael Murphy with the crack echoing around the ground and sounded like a break, we feared the worse. The contact was delayed and off the ball so may have been in the black card body check category, or at least a free out. This is the same ref that black carded Lee Keegan in the final. Didn't see the incident but I kind of guessed Murphy had to be involved alright.
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Post by ddtinexile on Feb 6, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
Ballythefireside. I second your proposal to make Seoirse Ui Duic organiser of pro board members to meet up at games.
Ideal for the job.
Only problem how do we get him out of Ballingarry and back again .
It's off the beaten track . I know I've been there.
I fear the response and text
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Post by mojo on Feb 6, 2017 21:10:26 GMT
Is Jack Barry the answer to Brian Fenton ?
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Post by listowelemerrs on Feb 6, 2017 21:24:35 GMT
In yer opinion lads I've seen a lot of Tom Sullivan and only small parts of Gavin white! Who ye think is better equipped to start at wing back
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Post by ataboy on Feb 6, 2017 21:46:23 GMT
You'd have to have huge admiration for Paul Geaney the way he has taken his game to a new level. From a really promising player at 22/23 to now being Kerry's best forward and also one of the country's best. When you hear him speak in the media or any interviews you get the feeling he is not going to settle unless he will be the best in the country. I saw him eventually as a starter for Kerry but never would I have though he'd be the county's most dangerous forward. Fair play to the guy.
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Post by ataboy on Feb 6, 2017 21:47:48 GMT
Lads too many of you put too much faith in Brendan O Sull because he's a horse of a man- I know the game is becoming more physical, etc but the jury must surely still be, at best, out. Jack Barry seems to have overtaken him in the pecking order at the moment. They may be looking at a short impact burst from Brendan O'Sullivan. Look's like Barry is ahead of him. Brendan doesn't seem to have pushed on this year at all. He was flying it last year when given any chance but you wonder should he have been given a couple of starts, it was all substitute roles.
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Post by Leathama on Feb 6, 2017 21:48:51 GMT
In yer opinion lads I've seen a lot of Tom Sullivan and only small parts of Gavin white! Who ye think is better equipped to start at wing back Dare I say it, both could start.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 6, 2017 21:50:33 GMT
4 players started their first league yesterday.
Jason Foley Tom O'Sullivan Tadgh Morley Jack Savage
3 out of these 4 hadn't even a minute of league action before yesterday - Tom O'Sullivan had 1 appearance in the league as a sub against Roscommon last year, although Morley did have experience in the championship last year
2 of the subs also took part in their first league game as well - Jack Barry and Conor Geaney. Also Barry O'Sullivan was featuring in his 2nd league game - he got about 10 minutes in the Roscommon game last year as a sub.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 6, 2017 22:39:50 GMT
All the Kerry scores and other bits here and there
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Post by Premier on Feb 6, 2017 23:15:22 GMT
Is Jack Barry the answer to Brian Fenton ? Steady on there a while, a few cameo appearances in February have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Reality was yesterday was a stroll and we should assess these players properly after they've been in a proper battle against Dublin or Tyrone or maybe to a lesser extent Mayo
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 7, 2017 8:46:10 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 7, 2017 8:50:17 GMT
Is Jack Barry the answer to Brian Fenton ? Steady on there a while, a few cameo appearances in February have to be taken with a pinch of salt. Reality was yesterday was a stroll and we should assess these players properly after they've been in a proper battle against Dublin or Tyrone or maybe to a lesser extent Mayo Jack Barry's work in January and February to date are much more solid than just to be described as cameo appearances. He has put himself in pole position to start at midfield v Mayo. Sunday's game was very competitive and physical, ask Shane Enright, Kerry were by far the better team on the day however and just played the most football.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 7, 2017 10:01:39 GMT
Steady on folks with building big expectations for newcomers - yes its exciting and hugely encouraging to see new blood coming in and contributing but one swallow doesn't make a summer and we are best giving these newcomers a chance before we lumber them with expectations. We know we need an injection of speed into our team and we look like having a lot of good potential on the way - the U21's have one more opportunity before they are whisked back to their own grade for as long as that campaign lasts and the likes of two Jacks (and possibly others) will have more league games to learn their trade and show if they can add consistency to potential and be challenging for championship berths. I am really hopeful we are at the dawn of a new and exciting chapter for Kerry.....
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Post by buck02 on Feb 7, 2017 10:56:31 GMT
Steady on folks with building big expectations for newcomers - yes its exciting and hugely encouraging to see new blood coming in and contributing but one swallow doesn't make a summer and we are best giving these newcomers a chance before we lumber them with expectations.We know we need an injection of speed into our team and we look like having a lot of good potential on the way - the U21's have one more opportunity before they are whisked back to their own grade for as long as that campaign lasts and the likes of two Jacks (and possibly others) will have more league games to learn their trade and show if they can add consistency to potential and be challenging for championship berths. I am really hopeful we are at the dawn of a new and exciting chapter for Kerry..... Well said. The newcomers did grand yesterday but I recall lots of praise being heaped on new lads like Conor Cox, Alan Fitz, Pa Kilkenny, Brendan O Sullivan and so on after league games. I also remember David Moran being slated on here for at least two years before he got his first injury. Let these lads develop and maybe wait a while to judge them. Then again we are in Kerry so who am I kidding?
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 7, 2017 15:38:30 GMT
I thought after his 2016, Adrian Spillane would be a shoe in for McGrath Cup / League run. Surely a better option at midfield than Morley who's a v good defender but not a gifted footballer? Morley has a lot of football, but would be better in the halfback line in my opinion. I was impressed with Morley in the McGrath cup and in Donegal. Jack Barry came on in Donegal and slotted into midfield while Morley went back. I think Adrian Spillane would be a much better option around midfield though. Would he be used to or made to be used to CHB? We are lacking there and need someone who can win ball and go forward. We lack speed there. I find it impossible that Adrian Spillane doesn't get any chances, but maybe Eamon and the selectors see something at training we don't.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 7, 2017 15:43:12 GMT
More like verbal diarrhoea Bit unfair. We can't all be excellent orators like Brolly.
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Post by inchperfect on Feb 7, 2017 16:24:36 GMT
I thought after his 2016, Adrian Spillane would be a shoe in for McGrath Cup / League run. Surely a better option at midfield than Morley who's a v good defender but not a gifted footballer? Morley has a lot of football, but would be better in the halfback line in my opinion. I was impressed with Morley in the McGrath cup and in Donegal. Jack Barry came on in Donegal and slotted into midfield while Morley went back. I think Adrian Spillane would be a much better option around midfield though. Would he be used to or made to be used to CHB? We are lacking there and need someone who can win ball and go forward. We lack speed there. I find it impossible that Adrian Spillane doesn't get any chances, but maybe Eamon and the selectors see something at training we don't. I said this because Morley played wing back last year, a position where you can play with some freedom (as Tom O'Sullivan did yesterday) and I thought he was a bit safe, and mainly stuck to handpassing it along, but always had a few very good defensive contributions in games. I think centre back is his best position, and I'd have him as a starter there this year. He's strong and can anchor the defence as Fitzmaurice did himself, and hopefully it will do something about teams running at our defence. I didn't catch the McGrath Cup final but thought he played well against Donegal.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 7, 2017 17:05:09 GMT
I think Morley is much better in the half back line. With Enright injured I don't think management won't take any risks and give hime time off to deal with concussion. Morley is not a huge man, but a lot stronger than he looks. Given the horrible and tragic death of one of my childhood heroes, Joost van der Westhuizen, I can't but draw comparisons. We will face guys running through the middle like McManus, the two O'Sheas and Fenton and Morley is a good man to stop that like Joost on Jonah. I think though the option management are looking at is Crowley at CHB and I think he looked a lot faster and leaner in Donegal on Sunday. Crowley has the bulk and the strength to stop runners, but also needs speed to stop the runners. He might grow into a sweeper role in an Aidan O'Mahoney style.
With Enright out I think the backline this Saturday will be Foley, Griffin and Young with Morley. Crowley and O'Sullivan in the half back line. Obviously O Beaglaoich would be in there if he was fit. Will the other Tom O'Sullivan and Gavin Crowley be given game time? I hope we will see Adrian Spillane or Jack Barry alongside Moran in midfield.
Little change in the forwards I think.
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Post by baurtregaum on Feb 7, 2017 17:41:58 GMT
I wonder what Donegal man makes of it all? It strikes me that Rory G is between a rock and a hard place when it comes to Murphy. Ideally he should rest him for most of the league and then play him closer to the goals in championship. He is too important for them.
I think Donegal will do enough to stay up but they have had too many retirements and are now most definitely in a rebuilding phase. They are trying to replace many great servants in one go. Not easy.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 7, 2017 17:52:01 GMT
Steady on folks with building big expectations for newcomers - yes its exciting and hugely encouraging to see new blood coming in and contributing but one swallow doesn't make a summer and we are best giving these newcomers a chance before we lumber them with expectations. We know we need an injection of speed into our team and we look like having a lot of good potential on the way - the U21's have one more opportunity before they are whisked back to their own grade for as long as that campaign lasts and the likes of two Jacks (and possibly others) will have more league games to learn their trade and show if they can add consistency to potential and be challenging for championship berths. I am really hopeful we are at the dawn of a new and exciting chapter for Kerry..... Yeah add another voice to people saying that this was nothing major to get excited about - Donegal were very poor for long periods of the match. I had a look at how many players on each side played in the 2014 final - Kerry used 11 lads who featured in the All-Ireland final in 2014, whereas Donegal only had 6 players from the 2014 final in action on Sunday, so while we had a share of newcomers and less experienced players, the majority of the Donegal players were either newcomers or panel members who had very little experience so far in the Donegal senior setup. The 20 players who featured for Donegal were Mark Anthony McGinley Paddy McGrath Caolan Ward Eoghan Ban Gallagher Frank McGlynn Ryan McHugh Paul Brennan Jason McGee Hugh McFadden Ciaran Thompson Michael Langan Martin O’Reilly Patrick McBrearty Michael Murphy Jamie Brennan Eoin McHugh Conor Gibbons Darach O’Connor Ethan O’Donnell Stephen McBrearty Beyond 5 or 6 of these players, there is a lot of seriously inexperienced players at intercounty level there. I think Donegal are going to struggle massively in terms of midfield this year - McFadden has been a panel member since 2014 but has only managed very limited game time with the senior while McGee was a minor last year. On Sunday the keeper didn't seem to use any tactic to take into account this weakness at midfield but pretty much boomed every kick-out as far as possible out the middle. I watched the first half back last night and by my reckoning the Donegal keeper went long 15 times in the first half and Kerry won possession from 11 of these kickouts. Out of the 4 long kickouts Donegal won, one of these was a mark by Michael Murphy when he was brought out to try and improve things later on in the half. Donegal took 2 short ones (and the keeper attempted a third but the ref made the keeper take it again as he wasn't ready) and won both, but most of the time the option for the quick/short one wasn't on as the Kerry forwards did a good job of marking up. The fact that Donegal only retained 6 from 17 out of their own kickouts (and 2 of these were short kickouts) meant that they were facing an uphill battle in terms of creating attacks/putting the Kerry defense under concerted pressure, The Kerry inside line got a lot of credit but I think it's fair to say that this Donegal defensive display was miles and miles away from the classic Donegal defending under Jim McGuinness. Kerry players were given an amount of time and space to play ball - you can only beat what's in front of you but in truth the Donegal performance was very poor, especially from a defensive standpoint. I wouldn't be surprised if their scores conceded increase a fair bit this year.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 7, 2017 18:16:58 GMT
If you draw a line from Dublin to Westport on the map, Kerry are the only Division 1 below the line.
Its notable that great GAA counties with small populations are in Division 1. The likes of Roscommon, Monaghan and Cavan have circa that 60000 population. Donegals GAA population is probably less than that when you exclude the vast tracts of "soccer only" areas. Tyrone probably have 70000 when you exclude the Protestant population.
That leaves Mayo and Kerry with circa 120,000 (at a guess). And of course Dublin are in a different league of their own.
Counties like Meath, Cork,Down, Armagh and Galway who won the All Ireland in the past 30 years are lower Division. And Kildare of course.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 7, 2017 19:49:51 GMT
Wanted to listen to terracetalk first and see the game again on the telly before commenting on it. There was a lot of good and bad in it and it became quite chaotic towards the end so I wanted to see it again before commenting on it. It was a very good win, even when playing a weakened Donegal, and much needed. In recent years we have found it hard to beat Donegal and also didn't win the first few league games. While many of the Donegal players had their debuts at league level they do have experience at McKenna cup level and with the U21s. None of the Donegal players were totally new to intercounty games, though not at senior level of course. The game was also in Letterkenny, not an easy place to go and get a win, and Kerry (and Donegal) haven't had much training together yet. The beginning of the league is always hard as training has just started again and new players are being introduced.
Apart from a number of frees Kerry gave away easily and a very dubious penalty Kerry kept the Donegal players very quiet. Michael Murphy didn't score at all from play, Paddy McBrearty scored only 1 from play and Thompson only scored 3 from play. By comparison Kerry had only 3 scores from frees and too many wides. Even when playing a team in transition it is pretty good scoring to get 2-14 from play. We only conceded 0-11 from play and kept the Donegal forwards very quiet. While it wasn't a great game it is pretty good to keep Donegal that quiet. Most of Donegal's scores came towards the end when they desperately threw everything they could at us.The score was very respectable with 10 minutes still to play and Donegal threw the kitchen sink at us, but could not get a goal. Kerry's forwards moved very well and the ball coming in from the half forwards was excellent. In recent years handpassing had become the norm in football, but Kerry used the kick pass to deadly effect. I hope this is a sign of how we will play in the future. A lot was made of the scores we conceded and how teams run at us. We have to keep in mind though that we are missing some of our best defenders of the past few years (Marc and Aidan), lost Enright early on and also couldn't use Ó Beaglaoich. It was a very inexperienced backline and they had to get used very early on in the game to different positions. Griffin stuck to Murphy like a pitbull and followed him around the pitch. It is a role that is made for him and he marked Murphy out of the game. Foley and Killian Young too had to switch roles early on, but did very, very well. Yes, Donegal ran at us and caused a lot of trouble, but only to a certain extent. Most of the Donegal attacks were from the counter and they moved at speed towards the Kerry goal, as they always do. Despite all that few of their attacks resulted in scores. Towards the end Donegal brought more and more players on, as did Kerry, but the defenders stayed the same. Jack Barry came on for Enright forcing Morley to go back, but apart from that all our subs were forwards. Meaning that the backs should and would tire towards the end. Donegal capitalised on that, but the result didn't look in any doubt. Donegal needed a goal to have any hope of a win and couldn't get one. Kerry made 6 substitutions, all in the forwards, and that will change the dynamic. It also came at a time when Donegal were piling the pressure on our backs and stopping ball going into the forwards. There was a lot of very good movement inside. Savage and Jamesy and Geaney were constantly running and given quality ball by the half forwards. Lyne, Murphy and Walsh were excellent in my opinion. They won a lot of breaking ball and when on the ball they moved around at pace picking out the full forward line almost every time. In the backs Tom O'Sullivan and Morley did the same. Linking up with Moran, who won almost every ball coming his way, and Barry the half backs and half forwards all moved at pace and dazzled Donegal. There was a lot of breaking ball around the middle and Kerry came away with it almost every time. It also caused McGinley to adapt his kick outs. Going long meant almost certain Kerry possession, but going short meant that more than once Kerry turned over possession and immediately became a threat in front of goal. Donnchadh hit the crossbar and Paul Geaney, Savage and O'Donoghue all had goal chances. We had 4 missed goal chances I counted and had any of them gone in it would have ended the game as a conquest. Okay, we are not the finished article yet and there's a lot of room for improvement, but we played a lot better than I've seen Kerry play for a while now. James seems to be returning to form and Paul Geaney seems to be even better than last year. The one thing I would be worried about is the subs that came on. They seemed to do a lot of training on the sideline, warming up, and looked tired when they came on. I also don't get why Spillane and Crowley didn't come on as it could have freed up Murphy and Lyne up for a more defensive role, but on the other hand I believe that defending a lead is never a good thing when you can keep scoring. If the forwards click and keep scoring the opposition is forced to go back into defence and can't put pressure on our backs. Whenever you make 6 changes to the forwards and lose a midfielder to a black card it all means that the whole chemistry changes. I don't think it's fair to judge the subs on that as it is not easy to come in to the game like that.
Scorers for Kerry: Paul Geaney 2-4 (2fs), James O’Donoghue, Jack Savage (1f), 0-3 each, Donnchadh Walsh 0-2, Jonathan Lyne, Tom O’Sullivan, David Moran, Paul Murphy, Jack Barry 0-1 each. Scorers for Donegal: Michael Murphy 1-3 (1-0pen, 3f), Patrick McBrearty 0-4 (3f), Ciaran Thompson 0-3, Darach O’Connor 0-2 , Ryan McHugh, Conor Gibbons, Martin O’Reilly, Paul Brennan, Eoin McHugh 0-1 each KERRY: Brian Kelly; Jason Foley, Mark Griffin, Shane Enright; Peter Crowley, Killian Young, Tom O’Sullivan; David Moran, Tadhg Morley; Jonathan Lyne, Paul Murphy, Donnchadh Walsh; Jack Savage, Paul Geaney, James O’Donoghue. Subs: Jack Barry for Enright (9), Michael Geaney for Lyne (49), Barry John Keane for O’Donogue (52), Brendan O’Sullivan for Murphy (57), Conor Geaney for Savage (60), Barry O’Sullivan for Walsh (67). DONEGAL: Mark Anthony McGinley; Paddy McGrath, Caolan Ward, Eoghan Ban Gallagher; Frank McGlynn, Ryan McHugh, Paul Brennan; Jason McGee, Hugh McFadden; Ciaran Thompson, Michael Langan, Martin O’Reilly; Patrick McBrearty, Michael Murphy, Jamie Brennan. Subs: Eoin McHugh for McGlynn (26), Conor Gibbons for Langan (42), Darach O’Connor for J.Brennan (48), Ethan O’Donnell for O’Reilly (58), Stephen McBrearty for McFadden (60).
REFEREE: Maurice Deegan (Laois).
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Post by smokey on Feb 7, 2017 20:03:24 GMT
i only saw it once on TG4 but it looked like Enright was a victim of the McBrearty screen move. I noticed they have done this numerous times over the last few years. The ball is played into the right corner and McBrearty gets it and moves inside onto his left and shoots, with a few Donegal lads blocking the running lanes of the supporting defenders resulting in a much less pressured shot.
He does seem very one footed as well which makes him extremely markable at this level. Its one of the reasons why I wouldn't consider him an elite forward.
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Post by givehimaball on Feb 7, 2017 22:14:30 GMT
Donnchadh hit the crossbar and Paul Geaney, Savage and O'Donoghue all had goal chances. We had 4 missed goal chances I counted and had any of them gone in it would have ended the game as a conquest. Donnachadh (beside the fisted effort)and Tom Sullivan also had goal chances in the first half - both through one-on-one with the keeper - Donnachadh fisted over and Tom Sullivan took the point. Donnachadh's chance was directly after the first Geaney goal so probably a decent case could be made for taking the safer option. Tom Sullivan also had another bit of a half chance of goal where James O took a quick free but the keeper did well to get off his line in time and narrow the angle.
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