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Post by onlykerry on Mar 17, 2017 19:37:53 GMT
Interesting that Gooch did not cetegorically refute the suggestion of retirement when asked after todays game.
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Post by givehimaball on Mar 17, 2017 20:00:54 GMT
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Post by veteran on Mar 17, 2017 20:04:13 GMT
Of course I am pleased for Dr. Crokes and especially Colm but if I was a neutral I would have tuned with about twenty minutes to go.
This is the football code that the legislators feel the public want. This shambles of a football code which never longer deserves to be described as football. A total abomination. A football code which facilitates one of the greatest forwards I have seen to spend most of the game doing a slow foxtrot well inside his own half. A football code which enables a star studded team with an extra man to employ a blanket defence without having the gumption to go for the jugular vein to clinch victory long before the end.
Despair doesn't describe how I feel but seemingly some people find this handpass infestation facinating at least that is what they say whenever I engage in my crusade for curtailing the handpass.
But at least they introduced the mark! Imagine rewarding a footballer for making a chest high catch. Thank God for Cheltenham .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2017 20:15:01 GMT
Colm has lost plenty 'great' games over the years so doubt he will care too much re the quality of today's game
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Post by jackiel on Mar 17, 2017 20:15:56 GMT
It was by no means a classic but a win is a win. The red for Slaughneil was a major turning point, it would have been a different match without it and I say that lad is kicking himself for such a stupid act. I was delighted to be able to congratulate the Crokes lads as they made their way up the Hogan steps. Here's hoping I'll be just as happy tomorrow night after my trip to Tralee.
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Post by Kingdomson on Mar 17, 2017 20:19:10 GMT
Of course I am pleased for Dr. Crokes and especially Colm but if I was a neutral I would have tuned with about twenty minutes to go. This is the football code that the legislators feel the public want. This shambles of a football code which never longer deserves to be described as football. A total abomination. A football code which facilitates one of the greatest forwards I have seen to spend most of the game doing a slow foxtrot well inside his own half. A football code which enables a star studded team with an extra man to employ a blanket defence without having the gumption to go for the jugular vein to clinch victory long before the end. Despair doesn't describe how I feel but seemingly some people find this handpass infestation facinating at least that is what they say whenever I engage in my crusade for curtailing the handpass. But at least they introduced the mark! Imagine rewarding a footballer for making a chest high catch. Thank God for Cheltenham . Well said veteran. Congratulations to Dr Crokes on their victory and of course happy for Colm Cooper especially. On the game itself, to those who say who cares? We should all care about the way the game has gone.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 17, 2017 21:08:31 GMT
Yes congrats to the Croke, a win is a win is a win. Delighted for Gooch, has he's club all Ireland medal now. The last six minutes of that game was yet another advertisement and reason why the hand pass must be curtailed. Bloody awful stuff to watch. Why wouldn't Slaughtneil push up? Reminiscent of Donegal in 2014.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 17, 2017 21:51:42 GMT
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Post by taggert on Mar 17, 2017 21:59:40 GMT
Great shot Mickmack, 2 wonderful servants to Kerry and football in general.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 17, 2017 22:06:22 GMT
The club hurling final was a huge disappointment. Ballyea will rue this day for along time. They never turned up really. Cuala were deserved winners with a lot more players of county standard in their ranks. Abbeydorneys Darragh OConnell got the man of the match award. His burst through and point straight after the Ballea goal was the outstanding moment in the game for me. It killed whatever momentum Ballea were going to get from their goal.
I disagree with all the negative comments about the football final. It was a very engaging encounter and for long periods very open. When the man got sent off I feared that the ref would try to even it up with a few sympathetic decisions the other way but he didnt. He played it straight.
Colm looks to me like he has put the knee injury behind him. He runs like a man without an injured knee now. It was refreshing to see a Kerry side defending a lead properly and I value defending a much as attacking. I dont understand why defense is appreciated in soccer and rugby and hurling but frowned up in gaelic football.
The bigger clubs won both games today and thats the way of things usually in gaelic games. However, Ballyea can look back on a great year and can be proud. As for Slaughtneill, well, that club is an inspiration to all.
Congrats to Crokes and Cuala
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 17, 2017 22:07:49 GMT
Great shot Mickmack, 2 wonderful servants to Kerry and football in general. Lifted straight off the RTE website. Say nathin!
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Post by jackiel on Mar 17, 2017 23:50:11 GMT
Great shot Mickmack, 2 wonderful servants to Kerry and football in general. Lifted straight off the RTE website. Say nathin! It's everywhere Mick, no apology needed. Great photo, so glad to have been there when Colm lifted the cup. There were grown men in the crowd crying all round me, lovely to see such that it means so much to the players and supporters. It's what makes the GAA great, JB's gesture with the young girl is something I won't forget in a hurry, a touch of class.
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Post by mystic86 on Mar 18, 2017 3:41:00 GMT
Managed to get this photo earlier today, absolutely delighted for Cooper.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 18, 2017 7:37:09 GMT
Congrats to Crokes, and Cuala, famous wins for both, especially Cuala, and the Gooch. Hard defeat for Slaughtneil after being in the final 2 years ago, and losing the hurling semi-final too.
Club finals are rarely classics, often a let-down. I think handpassing should be limited in some way, it's too easy to run down the clock
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 18, 2017 7:51:20 GMT
Congrats to Crokes, and Cuala, famous wins for both, especially Cuala, and the Gooch. Hard defeat for Slaughtneil after being in the final 2 years ago, and losing the hurling semi-final too. Club finals are rarely classics, often a let-down. I think handpassing should be limited in some way, it's too easy to run down the clock Slaughtneil played their role in the last five minutes too.
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Post by greengold35 on Mar 18, 2017 9:36:52 GMT
Crokes decision to appoint Pat O'Shea as bainisteoir is the reason they are champions today. By and large, Crokes went to battle this year with the majority of the team who had failed in the past - 12 of the starters yesterday were on the beaten team against Castlebar Mitchels in 2013 the exceptions being Shane Murphy, Gavin White and Gavin O'Shea - added to that is the loss of Eoin Brosnan and the diminishing powers of the Gooch; Pat changed the terms of reference when he came in adopting a system to combat the opposition largely based on stopping them from playing - its not pretty but its pretty effective. Crokes played on their terms, dictated the tactics and generally were too astute on and off the pitch for their northern opposition - its a long time since we can say that about a Kerry team in Croke Park!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 18, 2017 10:22:58 GMT
Two contrasting styles, even if Crokes modified their purist pedigree to 'mixing-it' -that signal said we have tough skin too and Kerry needs more of that for physical Ulster encounters.
Last 5 mins of possession was possible due to a sending off for a fist and good leadership, regardless of ugliness.
Frustrating to watch if only because Crokes class was channelled to possession and which was forced upon them by what Slaugh would do otherwise. Still it was also windy out there and maybe that influenced such tactic.
If Crokes tempered their 'mixing it' they would be as near the perfect football team for this era. i.e. some scrappy stuff could be delivered in a perfectly legal manner -another ref could be looking to even up the reds.
3 cheers for Slaugh, what a benchmark for a crossroads GAA club, and they will have their day in the sunshine. A great day for football and well done to Crokes, nice to see a man of Ballydonoghue extraction lift the cup and what a noble gesture made with the little girl.
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Post by southward on Mar 18, 2017 10:55:58 GMT
It was by no means a classic but a win is a win. The red for Slaughneil was a major turning point, it would have been a different match without it and I say that lad is kicking himself for such a stupid act. I was delighted to be able to congratulate the Crokes lads as they made their way up the Hogan steps. Here's hoping I'll be just as happy tomorrow night after my trip to Tralee. I thought the first half was ok, actually. Second half was terrible. Not sure what difference the red card made in the end; granted, the lad had been playing well but Crokes didn't exactly run amok afterwards. Jordan Kiely's duck and weave to give 2 defenders the slip was the highlight for me.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 18, 2017 11:04:26 GMT
March 17, 2017 - 06:29 pm By John Fogarty
Dr Crokes (Kerry) 1-9 Slaughtneil (Derry) 1-7
A brazenly mean Dr Crokes effort ensured the Andy Merrigan Cup will return to Killarney for the first time in 25 years.
In a dour affair, Crokes led 1-6 to 1-5 at half-time having been gifted a numerical advantage just before the break when Padraig Cassidy was dismissed for lashing out at Kieran O’Leary.
Crokes substituted style for something considerably less pleasing on the eye but they won’t make any apologies after their series of heartbreaks in recent years.
They succeeded in keeping a wind-assisted Slaughtneil to just two points in the second half as their substitutes Jordan Kiely and Micheál Burns added vim to their attack.
They were clearly nervy at the outset but worked their way into the game after Shane McGuigan and Christopher Bradley struck in the third and fifth minutes. Captain Johnny Buckley was to the fore in settling the Killarney men, claiming two marks, one of which created the platform for Brian Looney’s first of three first-half points.
A Cooper free followed and Gavin White looked to have all but put the ball in the net when he broke from deep only to sent the ball wide of Antoin McMullan’s left-hand post when an unmarked Cooper was calling for the ball.
Cooper was eventually found in the 20th minute when Daithí Casey shrugged off Paul McNeill, drove forward and fed him for a goal but only after Slaughtneil had jumped 1-2 to 0-3 ahead in the 13th minute.
Cormac O’Doherty knocked down a long ball into the path of Cassidy, who benefitted from O’Doherty obstructing a Crokes player to make a dart towards goal and he coolly sidestepped Shane Murphy to find the net.
Points from Christopher and Paul (free) Bradley opened the gap to four points by the 19th minute but Crokes were on level terms three minutes later when the excellent Casey followed up the goal he created with a point.
Looney sent over a brace of points in additional time after a nice Francis McEldowney effort before goalscorer Cassidy was sent off for a low reactionary dig at O’Leary.
Scorers for Dr Crokes: C. Cooper (1-2, 0-2 frees); D. Casey (2 frees), B. Looney (0-3 each); M. Burns (0-1).
Scorers for Slaughtneil: Paul Bradley (0-3, frees); P. Cassidy (1-0); C. Bradley (0-2); Shane McGuigan, F. McEldowney (0-1 each).
DR CROKES: S. Murphy; L. Quinn, M. Moloney, J. Payne; D. O’Leary, G. White, F. Fitzgerald; A. O’Donovan, J. Buckley (c); A. O’Sullivan, G. O’Shea, B. Looney; K. O’Leary, D. Casey, C. Cooper.
Subs for Dr Crokes: J. Kiely for G. O’Shea, M. Burns for A. O’Sullivan (both 39); S. Doolan for D. O’Leary (48); T. Brosnan for B. Looney (58); E. Brosnan for D. Casey, C. Brady for K. O’Leary (60+3).
SLAUGHTNEIL: A. McMullan; B. Rodgers, P. McNeill, K. McKaigue, K. Feeney, C. McKaigue, F. McEldowney (c); Patsy Bradley, P. Cassidy; Shane McGuigan, Paul Bradley, M. McGrath; C. Bradley, Sé McGuigan, C. O’Doherty.
Subs for Slaughtneil: B. Cassidy for C. O’Doherty (48); R. Bradley for M. McGrath, B. McGuigan for K. Feeney (both 52); G. Bradley for Sé McGuigan (54); S. Cassidy for Patsy Bradley (blood, 55-58).
Sent off: P. Cassidy (straight, 30+3).
Referee: M. Deegan (Laois).
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 18, 2017 11:06:28 GMT
By John Fogarty GAA Correspondent
Dr Crokes (Kerry) 1-9 Slaughtneil (Derry) 1-7: “For 25 years, we’ve tried to come back up those steps,” gushed Dr Crokes captain Johnny Buckley from the Hogan Stand podium. “We’ve had a lot of disappointments but I’m here to say that the Andy Merrigan Cup is coming back to Killarney.”
And with those words you could understand why Dr Crokes did what they did. Why they opted for suffocation over style in seeing off a doughty Slaughtneil who were reduced to 14 men for the entirety of the second half. Why they won’t give a smidgeon of a consideration to the flak they might receive for resorting to possession-spoiled football to get their way.
Throw at them that they played beneath never mind within themselves and they will direct you back to 2007 when Crossmaglen stole glory from them, their crushing 2012 and ‘14 semi-final losses in what had developed into an O’Moore Park graveyard or 2013 when Ballymun Kickhams outmuscled them in Thurles. “They lacked that bit of badness or physicality,” Irish Examiner columnist Oisín McConville recalled in 2014 of those ’07 games.
Well, here they weren’t wanting in either department. Over 10 years of hurt was released but not before it was harnessed in the meanness Crokes illustrated in hanging onto the lead they restored in the 40th minute and never lost.
The end of this game was a ringer for the finale to Kerry’s 2007 All-Ireland semi-final win over Dublin, the common denominator being Pat O’Shea. Afterwards, GAA statistician James Robinson revealed that Slaughtneil had just two possessions and controlled the ball for approximately 50 seconds from their final score in the 53rd minute until the final whistle over 10 minutes later. Whatever anyone may think of how they secured their second All-Ireland crown, that’s a remarkable feat by Dr Crokes.
That there was just one point from play in the second half said all that needed to be said about this game as a spectacle. The other scores were frees, two for Paul Bradley and one each for Daithi Casey and Colm Cooper.
Having led 1-6 to 1-5 at the break, Crokes faced into the wind bolstered by the numerical advantage. Bradley’s first second half free in the 38th minute squared matters only for Casey to punish a foul on Brian Looney two minutes later. Introducing speed merchants in Micheál Burns and Jordan Kiely, O’Shea was clearly hoping to stretch Slaughtneil further and the latter sent over a point in the 46th minute.
Kiely won a free in the 51st minute, which Cooper converted, and the gap jumped to three, a massive lead in the context of this game.
Slaughtneil, when they did secure the ball, couldn’t get close to troubling Shane Murphy and they seemed reluctant to make use of the wind in hoisting shots when ironically they were keen to do so in the opening 30 minutes although Chrissy McKaigue’s radar was off on this occasion.
Slaughtneil had opened the brighter and were two points to the good after five minutes through Shane McGuigan and Christopher Bradley. Dr Crokes appeared nervous but settled with some fine fetching by Buckley and a mark of his was the catalyst for Looney’s opening point in the sixth minute.
Cooper followed that up with a free seconds later and when Gavin White shot wide it seemed all their jitteriness was gone (although White could have found a better-placed Cooper than taking on the strike).
A Casey free put Crokes 0-3 to 0-2 before Slaughtneil availed of a long ball tactic, that had been working well for them, in spectacular fashion. Cormac O’Doherty broke down a ball into the path of Padraig Cassidy. He sprinted for goal and had the composure to sidestep and put the ball past a stranded Murphy.
O’Doherty seemed to take a Crokes player out of the play as he landed but the goal was deemed good and when Christopher Bradley and Paul Bradley, from a free, added to it the game had well and truly turned Slaughtneil’s way.
However, Crokes were undeterred and in the 20th minute again looked to hit at Slaughtneil through the middle. Casey outpaced and outmuscled Paul McNeill and was able to notice an unmarked Cooper having sucked in his marker Brendan Rodgers. Cooper’s finish was subtle yet succinct and a Casey point from play evened up the score two minutes later.
Francis McEldowney put Slaughtneil ahead again in the 26th minute but Crokes finished the half with two fine Looney points.
Then came the moment that turned the game on its axis: the dismissal of Cassidy for striking out and low at Kieran O’Leary. It was a reactionary blow but in front of the linesman and close to Maurice Deegan his day was done.
If it’s any consolation, Crokes know exactly how he must feel. They too have been through the ringer. It’s what makes this achievement all the sweeter for them. A career All-Ireland, if you will.
Scorers for Dr Crokes:
C. Cooper (1-2, 0-2 frees); D. Casey (2 frees), B. Looney (0-3 each); M. Burns (0-1).
Scorers for Slaughtneil:
Paul Bradley (0-3, frees); P. Cassidy (1-0); C. Bradley (0-2); Shane McGuigan, F. McEldowney (0-1 each).
DR CROKES:
S. Murphy; L. Quinn, M. Moloney, J. Payne; D. O’Leary, G. White, F. Fitzgerald; A. O’Donovan, J. Buckley (c); A. O’Sullivan, G. O’Shea, B. Looney; K. O’Leary, D. Casey, C. Cooper.
Subs for Dr Crokes:
J. Kiely for G. O’Shea, M. Burns for A. O’Sullivan (both 39); S. Doolan for D. O’Leary (48); T. Brosnan for B. Looney (58); E. Brosnan for D. Casey, C. Brady for K. O’Leary (60+3).
SLAUGHTNEIL:
A. McMullan; B. Rodgers, P. McNeill, K. McKaigue, K. Feeney, C. McKaigue, F. McEldowney (c); Patsy Bradley, P. Cassidy; Shane McGuigan, Paul Bradley, M. McGrath; C. Bradley, Sé McGuigan, C. O’Doherty.
Subs for Slaughtneil:
B. Cassidy for C. O’Doherty (48); R. Bradley for M. McGrath, B. McGuigan for K. Feeney (both 52); G. Bradley for Sé McGuigan (54); S. Cassidy for Patsy Bradley (blood, 55-58).
Sent off:
P. Cassidy (straight, 30+3).
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Post by glengael on Mar 18, 2017 11:10:27 GMT
Interesting that Gooch did not cetegorically refute the suggestion of retirement when asked after todays game. Hardly surprising though. As he said himself it was Dr. Crokes' day,the biggest day in the Club's history especially for many of the people there who were not born/old enough to appreciate 1992. Not a day to be thinking about anything else really. And Colm is never one to shoot his mouth off with big announcements even to the Sainted Marty.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 18, 2017 11:11:40 GMT
I can well recall the final few minute of the drawn 2007 final v Crossmaglen. Crokes were a point up and went forward to try and score another point. The Crokes player should have recycled and held possession. He didnt score though and Crossmaglen went down the field straight and and Oisin ran about 15 steps before equalizing. Crossmaglen the replay in a nasty affair in Portlaoise.
Great to see a team learn from its errors. To keep repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different result is..........
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 18, 2017 13:06:15 GMT
Congrats to Crokes, well done to all, great achievement. I din't think they would win after the four provincial finals were completed so delighted to have been wrong.
Masterclass from Pat O'Shea in tactics, got them spot on and slowed the opposition right down. It must be borderline discrimination that Pat is precluded from coaching at county level. Something that should be looked at I would think.
It will be interesting to see what the Gooch does and if this fine achievement bookends his intercounty career or not.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 18, 2017 14:00:05 GMT
Crokes had the wind advantage in the first half and played quite an open game, probably hoping to build up a nice lead. LIke Vincents did in the semi final the Crokes found out the hard way that Slaughtneil have their own game plan. They are very effective at putting men behind the ball and are very hard to break down. Whenever they have possession they coming forward en masse and Crokes found it hard to stop that without fouling. That way Slaughtneil stayed well within scoring distance and I'm sure their plan was to keep doing that and frustrate Crokes. With wind advantage in the second half they were also more likely to score more long range points. Obviously they did not count on conceding that stupid red card. Crokes were smart in my opinion to change things in the second half. They only got 3 scores in the second half and restricted Slaughtneil to two and it was not pretty at all to watch. Slaughtneil stepped up the physicality, but Crokes defended much better in the second half. How often have we seen Crokes or Kerry teams play lovely football and go a few points up only to broken down towards the end? Crokes wanted to prevent a repeat of the draw with Crossmaglen at all costs and Slaughtneil made it easier for them by sticking to their plan and not pressing up on the Crokes. IN the first half Crokes pressed and were sucked into the Slaughtneil half. Every time Slaughtneil countered the Corkes had to run to get back to their own half. It is what Monaghan did to us and I'm happy to see at club level we have learned from it. It was horrible to watch, but in the end nobody will remember in years to come how they won, just that they won.
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Post by southward on Mar 18, 2017 14:11:45 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 18, 2017 14:22:13 GMT
It's obviously been a long time since he took a blow to the oul appendage.
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Post by southward on Mar 18, 2017 14:50:58 GMT
“He was under pressure and an innocuous flick of the hand was all that he done.,” said Kearney. “Young O’Leary made a meal of it, to be quite honest. If he had have been hurt he wouldn’t have been up two minutes later to go out and play again.
Priceless!
I suppose Kieran won't mind being referred to as "young" anyway.
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Post by southward on Mar 18, 2017 14:52:53 GMT
It's obviously been a long time since he took a blow to the oul appendage. or visited the opticians.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2017 15:30:56 GMT
Like greengold35 said Pat O'Shea and the Panel . They were the two differences from other years. Crokes had a great bench this year. Largely due to good minor teams for the last 3 or 4 years. When you can bring on players like Burns Kiely Brosnan Brady Doolan then you're not doing too bad. Mike Milner David Shaw and David Naughton on the panel it makes them strong for this year too. Tough to repeat in Kerry but they have the panel to do it.
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Post by fitz on Mar 19, 2017 1:26:06 GMT
The second half was a tactical masterclass and close to implementation perfection. No, it wasn't open, free flowing end to end, packed with skill and great scores. The first half was tight and very even, then Cassidy stupidly got himself sent of. Half time. Crokes clearly reflected meticulously on the situation at the break. 2007 may have been briefly revisited. So they had a 1 point and 1 man advantage but were facing a stiff breeze.
They realized Slaughtneil's running power and confidence with ball in hand, so they opted to minimize this risk by shoring up at the half back line, where the extra man was very effective diverting runners backwards and sideways. They were very disciplined in the tackle.Slaughtneil's effort were energy sapping. Crokes attacked on the break with composure and patience. A key improvement from first half was the receptor sticking the passes, which was not happening in the first half. Casey again industrious, but Kiely and Burns generated the impetus and guile to get the winning scores. The handling in the second half, communication, was excellent from Crokes. Slaughtneil are a fine team, brave, skilful and fast. Special mention to their number 3, unbelievable engine, was everywhere. Their 6 also, very confident on the ball, and even when turned back on a run, would repeatedly try again.
Crokes identified Slaughtneil's biggest threat and coldly neutralized it. I agree with other posters wondering why they didn't just abandon all tactics to push a high press in the dying minutes. We'll never know. Crokes icily without error drained the clock. Again, not pretty, but to a man, to a play was executed to guarantee optimal chance of victory. This was most impressive by the big prize on the line, and the previous disappointments, re:2007.
Congrats to a great victory by players and management. Special mention to Casey for knitting the first half comeback, and leading line throughout. To Gooch, for being Gooch, the goal delivered at a crisis time. To Looney also, three great points from play, two exceptional.
Everyone is thrilled for Gooch.
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