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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 27, 2017 23:52:37 GMT
Losing the hurling semi final at the weekend will make Slaughmeill much more difficult to beat now in the football final. Or maybe the opposite 😏😏😏
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 28, 2017 4:29:49 GMT
Didn't Slaughtneil lose the All-I football final two years ago? Fairly heavily too. That will be their biggest motivation. One of their biggest obstacles may be Croker itself.
How has a Pat O'Shea-trained team done up against Ulster opposition in senior competition? Kerry struggled past Monaghan in the chmapionship in 2007 (and 2008?) I think, but they won. But it was a great Kerry team. And lost to Tyrone of course in 2008. Interestingly all of those games were in Croker.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 1, 2017 21:59:39 GMT
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Post by jackiel on Mar 2, 2017 9:00:06 GMT
Are they streaming the Seniors too Seoirse.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 2, 2017 9:50:30 GMT
I think they do. Quite sure they do. But it will be on telly as well live so it might prevent them doing it live.
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Post by jackiel on Mar 2, 2017 10:15:57 GMT
That's what I thought, I'll be there and will record it anyhow.
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Post by glengael on Mar 2, 2017 18:57:40 GMT
Didn't Slaughtneil lose the All-I football final two years ago? Fairly heavily too. That will be their biggest motivation. One of their biggest obstacles may be Croker itself. How has a Pat O'Shea-trained team done up against Ulster opposition in senior competition? Kerry struggled past Monaghan in the chmapionship in 2007 (and 2008?) I think, but they won. But it was a great Kerry team. And lost to Tyrone of course in 2008. Interestingly all of those games were in Croker. He was at the helm (to use a cliche) when Crokes last got to a Club Final in 07 v Crossmaglen. The first match was drawn, though not without controversey. Cross won the reply, not in Croke Park. again slightly controversially .
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 3, 2017 10:53:15 GMT
Didn't Slaughtneil lose the All-I football final two years ago? Fairly heavily too. That will be their biggest motivation. One of their biggest obstacles may be Croker itself. How has a Pat O'Shea-trained team done up against Ulster opposition in senior competition? Kerry struggled past Monaghan in the chmapionship in 2007 (and 2008?) I think, but they won. But it was a great Kerry team. And lost to Tyrone of course in 2008. Interestingly all of those games were in Croker. He was at the helm (to use a cliche) when Crokes last got to a Club Final in 07 v Crossmaglen. The first match was drawn, though not without controversey. Cross won the reply, not in Croke Park. again slightly controversially . At club level the only Ulster opposition Pat has faced has been Crossmaglen in 2007. Crokes were unfortunate not to win the first day in Croker and were the better team. The replay in Portlaoise was won by Crossmaglen by 5 points. John Donaldson, the Crossmaglen CHB, received two yellow cards but the referee failed to show him the red and he remained on the field. Colm also missed a penalty that day at a crucial stage however Cross deservedly won the game. The Crokes team of that era was not a patch on the current team and had little or no depth in the panel. Colm was playing the best football of his career and Eoin Brosnan was also on top of his game. Those players papered over many weaknesses in that team. Of that starting line up there are 8 survivors on the panel today. Mike Moloney, Luke Quinn, Eoin Brosnan, Shane Doolan, Brian Looney, Kieran O Leary and Colm. John Payne, Johnny Buckley and Jamie Doolan were panellists but didn't feature. Pat has much more ammunition to deal with this time around.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 3, 2017 12:47:25 GMT
Thanks for the replies, puts it in context. Can't help feel Pat would really love a win in such a big game Vs Ulster oppo nearly as much as winning the All-I as well. Added spice!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 12, 2017 11:01:14 GMT
McKaigue inspired by camogie clubmates ahead of Crokes decider
Slaughtneil's star man switches attention from curbing Connolly to taking steps up Hogan
Dermot Crowe March 12 2017 2:30 AM 0 On the day after Slaughtneil were crowned All-Ireland senior club camogie champions, at an event to publicise the club's forthcoming football final against Dr Crokes, Chrissy McKaigue was asked if he and his team-mates had been present to see the ladies' success. "There wasn't a single person in Slaughtneil left at home yesterday," McKaigue responded, removing any doubt. "There couldn't have been. That's the great thing; our footballers, hurlers and camogie players are supported the same and that's why things are going so well because the level of support behind us is so great." This principle of equality, irrespective of gender or grade, is a core philosophy at Slaughtneil, who await Friday's All-Ireland final at Croke Park. There's no tolerance of hierarchies even if you could argue that the footballers have the most prestigious title at stake. In Slaughtneil, the club overrides the individual components and from that inviolable rule, the rest follows; it becomes greater than the sum of its parts and it has been phenomenally successful for its size.
McKaigue had a cousin on the winning camogie team. With the hurlers having fallen at the penultimate stage, losing to Cuala, the ladies' victory has eased pressure on the men who follow. Least that is how McKaigue sees it. "We can't but be inspired by what the girls did. First Derry club ever to win a senior All-Ireland camogie title. It was just unbelievable. The club just keep setting new records which is fantastic. The footballers and hurlers have seen at first hand what the girls have done in terms of application, commitment and work, and that's why good things have happened to them - because of the work."
McKaigue is one of the main reasons they are in the final. His semi-final performance against St Vincent's in Newry was one of the competition's highlights, scoring four points from play while keeping tabs on Diarmuid Connolly, who managed just one. In the meantime, he has suffered the loss of the hurling semi-final to Cuala where he was part of the team's attack. Experience of losing the All-Ireland football final to Corofin in 2014 is something McKaigue believes will be of benefit on March 17.
"Looking back on it now with a clear head, we weren't physically ready that day," he reflects. "We were beaten by an exceptional team. For us to have truly competed with Corofin that day we would have needed everybody fully fit and fully flying. We just didn't perform but Corofin were deserving champions. We are in a much better place now with more experience - both physically and mentally. What happened in 2014 has galvanised us to an extent because when a club wins its first provincial title you are entering the unknown and you don't know what to expect. We now know what to expect; it is not going to be easy but at least we know that it is going to take."
They are appreciative of the second chance. "Winning Derry is so, so tough, we focus on the small steps. We won Derry and thought to ourselves that, traditionally, Derry teams have a good record in Ulster. So, step by step, we got back to an Ulster final. Faced a very good Kilcoo team but we couldn't enjoy our victory because then we had to play the London champions two weeks later. By that stage it was Christmas and we had a couple of weeks off but the hurling (semi-final) was coming up so there was always something to take your mind off looking too far into the future. I think the times you look too far ahead you miss out on the present and in sport you can't miss out on the present." Being a dual player, he admits, was challenging. "We had a look at the calendar and we tried to incorporate as much rest into it as much as anything else. There is no doubt our hurling suffered a wee tiny bit because hurling is one of these games that you need to be at all the time. But we wouldn't have swapped this scenario for the world. We have never turned down this problem. You have got to show gratitude for what you have. We are tremendously lucky in the times we are living."
He acknowledged manager Mickey Moran's influence on the team. "He brought a real calmness to a group that maybe in the past hadn't been associated with calmness and composure. But a team always reflects the manager's traits and we reflect Mickey Moran's. We're respectful, honest, hard-working and diligent, and that's everything he is about. He is also a man who has been around for a long time but is also one of the modern thinkers and is always willing to adopt modern approaches which is why his career has such longevity. You go anywhere in Ireland and mention Mickey Moran's name and first thing they will say he is a gentleman."
Slaughtneil will be aiming to become the first Derry champion since Ballinderry's win in 2002. It is 21 years since a Kerry club was successful, when Laune Rangers triumphed in 1996.
All-Ireland Club SFC final: Dr Crokes (Kerry) v Slaughtneil (Derry), Croke Park, March 17, 5.0
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Mar 12, 2017 12:20:20 GMT
Now I think McKaigue is a good footballer but jesus christ I'm already sick of looking at him and reading interviews with him- he's bloody everywhere- radio, podcasts, papers
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 12, 2017 14:58:38 GMT
In my opinion the key message of that article is this bit and they also promote the Irish language.
That's the great thing; our footballers, hurlers and camogie players are supported the same and that's why things are going so well because the level of support behind us is so great." This principle of equality, irrespective of gender or grade, is a core philosophy at Slaughtneil, who await Friday's All-Ireland final at Croke Park. There's no tolerance of hierarchies even if you could argue that the footballers have the most prestigious title at stake. In Slaughtneil, the club overrides the individual components and from that inviolable rule, the rest follows; it becomes greater than the sum of its parts and it has been phenomenally successful for its size.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 12, 2017 15:58:55 GMT
Seems to be very little hype about the final or is it just me?
Good luck to Crokes; for one man more than anything.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 12, 2017 16:14:59 GMT
Compared to what the hype would have been if twas vincents v crokes....yes little hype. Crokes must go out and be ruthless from the start
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Mar 13, 2017 5:42:22 GMT
Some wonderful pieces, and stories about Slaughtneil over the last few weeks, really inspiring. I'm sure most or all non-Crokes fans would like to see them achieve the miracle on Paddy's Day, albeit all still wanting to see Gooch win another national honour. Winning the semi-final, and Chrissy McCaigue's feats of heroism brought great joy to many, so going all the way will take that to the ultimate level. It's a story that would be a shame to see ending at the final hurdle.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 13, 2017 9:00:28 GMT
I suspect Crokes are happy to see what attention there is focussed on Slaughtneil - reduces the pressure on themselves. Their "so close and yet so far" experiences of recent years will be motivation enough for them and they have a great blend of experience and youth in their squad. So many of the Crokes lads have experienced the highs and lows that they should come into the game with their heads firmly focussed on producing a performance and being able to walk away with thier heads high whatever the result - winning is the prize but producing a performance is all they can focus on and hope that brings them home. Then all their Kerry "fans for the day" can do their damnest to bring them back down to earth when they resume battles on the local front - tribalism is alive and well!!
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 13, 2017 9:17:19 GMT
Pat O Shea has worked wonders on bringing this team in under the radar especially considering such a prolific semi final performance. In relation to players and management speaking to the media it has been pretty much non-existent. I can't remember when we last heard from Pat O Shea, Colm etc in an interview. Daithi Casey won Munster Footballer of the year and spoke to the media after it and Johnny Buckley did the mandatory press day. Other than this Crokes have been solely focused on the game. Slaughtneils story is truly admirable, especially hailing from such a modest parish. However I feel everything I read there is an interview or an article about them and I'm not so sure that this is a good thing. Pat O Shea is so meticulous in everything he does, he will leave nothing to chance and will keep the lads feet firmly on the ground. I think there is a huge performance in this Crokes team yet.
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 13, 2017 9:25:01 GMT
Pat O Shea has worked wonders on bringing this team in under the radar especially considering such a prolific semi final performance. In relation to players and management speaking to the media it has been pretty much non-existent. I can't remember when we last heard from Pat O Shea, Colm etc in an interview. Daithi Casey won Munster Footballer of the year and spoke to the media after it and Johnny Buckley did the mandatory press day. Other than this Crokes have been solely focused on the game. Slaughtneils story is truly admirable, especially hailing from such a modest parish. However I feel everything I read there is an interview or an article about them and I'm not so sure that this is a good thing. Pat O Shea is so meticulous in everything he does, he will leave nothing to chance and will keep the lads feet firmly on the ground. I think there is a huge performance in this Crokes team yet. Should be a fabulous game of football and occasion. It has the makings of an interesting Paddys Day around Killarney!
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 13, 2017 10:56:22 GMT
Hoping for a great game and a Crokes win at last. Slaughtneil is an amazing story and they are the standard bearer of a rural GAA club, well 2nd only to my own Ballydonoghue of course - 2 Cross Road teams!
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2017 11:17:04 GMT
Who will the "rearguard of the legion" be supporting
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 13, 2017 11:58:09 GMT
Part and parcel of great rivalries is the ability to be gracious in defeat, it is something that stands out to me almost instantly after the final whistle. Tomas O' Se against the Dubs in 2011 with his gesture towards Cluxton is one that comes to mind straight away, it is a trait of a true warrior, one who can go to war and do his utmost to win but falling short he still has the character to admit defeat and congratulate the winner. You will always get bitter people in every club and there will be a certain few Legion members who will be hoping that Crokes lose on Friday, sadly this is the reality and will always be the case. The same goes for Crokes supporters last year when Legion represented Kerry, I recall a few Crokes supporters hoping they would lose. To me, I class these as bitter individuals who have lost sight of what is important in life. Bitterness will get you nowhere fast, dignity and humility are characteristics of a proper gentleman.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 13, 2017 12:04:30 GMT
Every kerryman and woman should want to see a smile on colms face at 6.30 on saturday evening
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 12:06:59 GMT
Laughable really that people think a few interviews 2 weeks before a game can make a blind bit of difference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 12:19:22 GMT
Laughable really that people think a few interviews 2 weeks before a game can make a blind bit of difference. I agree that they are minor thing but I do think interviews give an insight into the teams mentality. For instance I found one particular article where Corofins captian was bigging up the cross defence as being really solid etc. Everyone knows that the Crokes defence can be very shaky and so this attempt to big them up made Corofin look very complacent as what he was saying was not true. Some may not agree and I acknowledge that this doesn't always apply
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 13, 2017 13:22:36 GMT
I think interviews from players and management can have a bearing on how other teams prepare for a game. If you have been in a dressing room scenario in games like these, managers and players often use media perceptions as a way to motivate their players. Chrissy McKaigue has been vocal in the media in relation to their togetherness, teamwork and close community spirit getting them to where they are today. Joe Brolly is one of numerous pundits who have been particularly vocal about this. We all know how committed these players are, you are not going to get to two All Ireland club finals in three years without this. Slaughtneil of all teams considering the modest numbers available to them in comparison to the sides they are competing against. Do I think this media attention helps them going into the final. No, I don't think it will do them any favours. Do I think it could be their downfall? Probably not. BUT, you can guarantee that Crokes will utilise this to their advantage.
I can visualise Pat O Shea in his team talk saying people are questioning if they have the same hunger, commitment and togetherness of the Slaughtneil bunch. Could this potentially help Crokes? Of course it could.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 13, 2017 13:30:38 GMT
www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/03/13/news/headline-961695/HAVING been on the fringes in 2007, Johnny Buckley returns to Croke Park with his club 10 years later. The Dr Croke's captain is bidding not only to make amends for their 2007 defeat to Crossmaglen after a replay but also to try and replicate his father Mike's achievement in winning an All-Ireland Senior Club title 25 years on from the Killarney men's sole Andy Merrigan Cup win. While Buckley is more well-known now, back in 2007 he was just after coming out of the Kerry minors and got a taste of what to expect at senior level. It's taken a while to return here in club colours though with many disappointing defeats on the way not least three consecutive All-Ireland Semi-Final losses between the years of 2012 and 2014. Buckley agreed that they was a slight hangover effect from those losses in terms of Crokes enduring a barren two year spell by their own high standards. "The nature of being in an All-Ireland Semi-Final is that it is a 14 month campaign and when you add in three of those in succession, it's bound to take its toll at some stage. We still went out with the ambition to succeed in 2014 and 2015 but the bodies were probably telling us something different out on the pitch. We've managed to recharge both mentally and physically this year though to bring us to this point," the team captain said. Allied to efforts on the pitch, the return of 2007 All-Ireland winning manager with Kerry Pat O'Shea to the managerial helm at the club along with a backroom team featuring three time Kerry Championship winning manager Harry O'Neill, 1992 All-Ireland winning manager Eddie 'Tatler' O'Sullivan and Johnny's father Mike represents a strong effort on the sideline by the club to end a 25 year itch. Buckley also feels changes to the local Championship in Kerry, which reduced the number of sides from 20 to 16 worked in their favour. "It was a lot more competitive in Kerry this year I felt and it's true a lot of the time that the toughest games that you can get on the way to an All-Ireland Final can be those in your own county. St Kierans (Second Round) and Dingle (Semi-Final) were two games where we were put to the pin of our collar but we came through them and learned a lot about ourselves for the road ahead," he feels. While Crokes won their seventh Munster title with minimum fuss, there was always a sense that their All-Ireland Semi-Final with 2015 winners Corofin would be their biggest test thus far with the club's recent difficulties at the penultimate stage. While Buckley couldn't put his finger on any one thing the club did differently to win this time out, he did feel the timing of their two goals against the Galway side was crucial to their win. "Goals are valuable in winter football I feel especially when it can be so hard to score them in matches depending on conditions. They settled us when Corofin appeared to be coming back into the game and there was a big sense of relief at the final whistle to finally get this semi-final thing off our backs and know that you can have a lash off it now in the Final," he said of last month's game. Although the club had always been preparing on the assumption that the Final would be St Patricks Day regardless of how Slaughtneil fared in the Hurling, the Crokes captain admitted that receiving the official text message confirming the date and time of the match did put the mind at ease somewhat. "We have some knowledge of Slaughtneil from two years ago when they beat Austin Stacks in the Semi-Final and what they have done in getting not just here but in the Hurling and Camoige also has been amazing and we know they are going to provide us a massive challenge in the decider," Buckley said. On the 25th anniversary of the club's most famous day, Buckley agreed that to replicate the club's 1992 heroes in winning a second All-Ireland title. "When you see how revered the 1992 team are around the club it always has been an ambition to try and match them. I talk to my father a lot about it and whenever I bring a medal home from something, he always shows the 1992 medal in return so it would be nice to match him for that now!"
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 13, 2017 13:49:44 GMT
Is JB the only son of a player from the class of '92?
Have many/any other father/son combinations won Club AI's?
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Post by hugh20 on Mar 13, 2017 14:14:57 GMT
Is JB the only son of a player from the class of '92? Have many/any other father/son combinations won Club AI's? Father and son combinations:Pat O' Shea & Gavin O' Shea Mike Buckley & Johnny Buckley Sean Clarke & Paul Clarke *Eddie 'Tatler' O' Sullivan('92 Manager and current selector) is also father in-law to Pat O' Shea. Brother combination:Danny Cooper ('92 player) is an older brother of Colm Cooper. Uncle & nephew combinations:Bryan O' Shea is a nephew of Pat. Gavin & Bryan O' Shea are nephews of Seanie O' Shea (Who captained '92 team) Kieran, David (Buddy) & Johnny O' Leary are nephews of Noel O' Leary (former Crokes manager and midfielder on '92 team) Daithi Casey is a nephew of Vince Casey (former chairman, manager and player on '92 team). Grandfather and grandson combination:Gavin O' Shea is the grandson of Eddie 'Tatler' O' Sullivan.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 13, 2017 14:50:55 GMT
Hells Bells - so 9 of the current squad have significant connections to the '92 team. That is a lot of continuity for a town club. I'm sure the ribbing from the haves to the have nots (even good humoured as it most likely is) is a motivation in itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 15:26:32 GMT
Hells Bells - so 9 of the current squad have significant connections to the '92 team. That is a lot of continuity for a town club. I'm sure the ribbing from the haves to the have nots (even good humoured as it most likely is) is a motivation in itself. Sorry, I know this is completely off topic... Funny you should say "for a town club". I was having a conversation at the weekend about other people's perception or Crokes and other "town" teams. It's seems because they are not directly linked to a parish or community there is a perception that there is less of a spirit or togetherness about town clubs. I would say that it is no different to any other club as it would have families with long historys within the club and all the same events that are held in other clubs (I.e. Card nights, juvenile parties, club outings, etc.) As I say I think this is mainly to do with that town clubs are not directly connected to a Parish and also that there are so many other groups/clubs within a town. For instance in most parishes the GAA club would be the main hub simply because it may be the only community building. Anyway, random I know but just putting it out there.
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