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Post by kerrygold on Oct 31, 2016 21:41:54 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 2, 2016 17:50:05 GMT
There's huge interest in the CPA on the forum it appears!
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Post by buck02 on Nov 3, 2016 11:27:56 GMT
The reality is that the lot of the club player will not improve until a shortened inter-county season is introduced, no matter what this new group can do. The proposals for the new format certainly wont help. Before, a county knocked out in the quarter final could see their club games played in mid August. Now you'll have 8 counties postponing, most if not all, of their club championship activity until September at the earliest. I wonder will that bother the turkeys voting at congress next Spring?
The Kerry County Board made massive progress this year in terms of how the fixture calendar was ran. There was plenty of summer football for the average club player. The club finals were all played by the 23rd October. However this was assisted by Kerry not making the senior all ireland final, the lack of draws in the championship and the fact that none of the 'hurling' clubs made the latter stages of the football championships.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 3, 2016 20:40:27 GMT
I think we need to see the top counties playing each other more often in the August/September window. The new quarter final proposal is good in my opinion. There is far too much time wasted between January and June in meaningless intercounty football in which a healthier club scene could be developed. Do the students really want to stay in Ireland for the summer to play championship football, I doubt it very much. End of year club championship suits most people I would think?
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 10, 2016 9:26:40 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Nov 16, 2016 10:57:57 GMT
Another kick in the face for the club player today.
With Croke Park being the likely venue for the semi finals and finals of the Rugby World Cup should Ireland win the bid, then the all ireland finals are being moved to August.
Yet when it was proposed to move them back a week (or was it two?) at Congress last year this was easily defeated.
Funny that Congress would need to pass that motion, but have no say in moving the finals back a month if GAA grounds are used for the Rugby World Cup.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 16, 2016 11:10:38 GMT
A World Cup final in Croke Park is a massive fillip for the association and takes precedent I would think?
Some big games in Killarney are also something to be welcomed. It is reported the WC is worth 30 million to the Association.
Maybe common sense will prevail before 2023 and the intercounty season will be condensed with the clubs taking precedent during the month of September.
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Post by buck02 on Nov 16, 2016 11:46:05 GMT
A World Cup final in Croke Park is a massive fillip for the association and takes precedent I would think? Some big games in Killarney are also something to be welcomed. It is reported the WC is worth 30 million to the Association. Maybe common sense will prevail before 2023 and the intercounty season will be condensed with the clubs taking precedent during the month of September. I have no problem with GAA grounds holding RWC games but my point is there was a proposal to reduce the intercounty season by a week or two last year. It needed to be carried at Congress. It wasnt. But, the same GAA can go and move the end of the intercounty season back a month without any proposal being made to Congress. |
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 16, 2016 11:50:53 GMT
A World Cup final in Croke Park is a massive fillip for the association and takes precedent I would think? Some big games in Killarney are also something to be welcomed. It is reported the WC is worth 30 million to the Association. Maybe common sense will prevail before 2023 and the intercounty season will be condensed with the clubs taking precedent during the month of September. I have no problem with GAA grounds holding RWC games but my point is there was a proposal to reduce the intercounty season by a week or two last year. It needed to be carried at Congress. It wasnt. But, the same GAA can go and move the end of the intercounty season back a month without any proposal being made to Congress. Maybe because it is a once off rather than an annual change it doesn't require Congress to vote on it? |
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 16, 2016 11:59:55 GMT
Wednesday 16 November 2016 Sport Newsletter
Investment in some GAA grounds will need to be significant for rugby bid to work
Colm Keys examines what the implications will be for some of those GAA venues to be included in the IRFU's bid for the 2023 Rugby World Cup
Colm Keys Twitter
16/11/2016
It's more than four years since the GAA's Management Committee recommended to Central Council that the GAA give its approval to the IRFU to allow some of its bigger and better grounds to be used as part of a Rugby World Cup bid in 2023.
It was permission that the association could never really afford not to give.
For sure, if the bid is successful, the sport of rugby in this country will get a significant lift hosting an event of this scale on the doorstep but, realistically, any more than Ireland beating the All Blacks in Chicago last week?
The benefits for the GAA are again goodwill and financial, outlined elsewhere on these pages, not just in terms of rental but in improvements to the grounds shortlisted that will make the final cut ahead of next year's decision.
A minimum of four up to a possible six GAA grounds will be part of the final cut. Croke Park, Páirc Uí Chaoimh in Cork and Casement Park in Belfast (once built) are certainties with the location of Fitzgerald Stadium in Killarney and Pearse Stadium in Galway, and the wider facilities that the venues offer, appearing to tip the balance in their favour.
Terraces are not an issue for the IRFU as they finalise the bid. In fact, they see the mixture with seats and the different levels of pricing attached as a positive.
Experience
But some terracing will be converted to seats and for some of the older grounds, Fitzgerald Stadium and Pearse Stadium, that will be a big enhancement, in line with the GAA's policy of improved spectator experience at all venues.
Outside of Croke Park, Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Casement Park, just two of the other five GAA stadia have floodlights, Elverys MacHale Park in Castlebar and Celtic Park in Derry. So if, as thought, that Fitzgerald Stadium and Pearse Stadium, are to be included, provision for floodlighting may have to be included unless of course they host daytime fixtures only if the bid is successful.
The omission of Semple Stadium is a big surprise given its status. It is considered the GAA's 'second' stadium after Croke Park and can host up over 50,000, the venue for All-Ireland hurling quarter-finals, the All-Ireland U-21 hurling final, the league hurling final and the most popular Munster hurling final venue. But for geographical and accommodation reasons Thurles has been squeezed out, much to the disappointment of the locals.
Tipperary secretary Tim Floyd expressed that disappointment but yesterday but stressed that such a decision was out of the GAA's hands. "There are reasons for it. Obviously we're disappointed. We had two visits (from the inspection team). They seemed very happy with the ground itself," he noted.
The geographical spread of the eight GAA venues listed yesterday is notable, two from each province.
Nowlan Park, home of Kilkenny GAA, would have ticked a lot of boxes for inspectors. It is a tight, compact but very purposeful ground with covered stands on all four sides, the only current GAA ground where this exists. Three of those stands contain seating with impressive changing and medical facilities beneath the recently constructed Ted Carroll Stand.
Nowlan Park's other advantages that put them ahead of most other provincial towns was its proximity to MacDonagh train station and the city centre where there is so much hotel accommodation as Kilkenny's appeal to visitors has spiked over the last couple of decades. But when the final cut is made Nowlan Park may lose out, unless the RWC 2023 bid team extend the number of stadia to 10.
One area where the majority of provincial GAA grounds fall well below the standard required is media facilities. The new Páirc Uí Chaoimh and Casement Park should be up to the mark in this regard, while Nowlan Park again ranks highly. But the other potential stadia will need expansion of TV gantries, desk space, and interview rooms.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 16, 2016 12:07:42 GMT
The reality is that the lot of the club player will not improve until a shortened inter-county season is introduced, no matter what this new group can do. The proposals for the new format certainly wont help. Before, a county knocked out in the quarter final could see their club games played in mid August. Now you'll have 8 counties postponing, most if not all, of their club championship activity until September at the earliest. I wonder will that bother the turkeys voting at congress next Spring? The Kerry County Board made massive progress this year in terms of how the fixture calendar was ran. There was plenty of summer football for the average club player. The club finals were all played by the 23rd October. However this was assisted by Kerry not making the senior all ireland final, the lack of draws in the championship and the fact that none of the 'hurling' clubs made the latter stages of the football championships. Some people are quite happy to see the club players get squeezed out more and more it seems to me. |
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 16, 2016 12:08:06 GMT
I might be wrong but I think the County Board already have plans to install floodlights in Killarney and to upgrade the stand.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 16, 2016 12:13:06 GMT
I might be wrong but I think the County Board already have plans to install floodlights in Killarney and to upgrade the stand. This would pay for the upgrade. It is surprising Fitzgerald Stadium isn't developed into a serious Events Centre considering the hospitality infrastructure in the Killarney backdrop. |
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 16, 2016 12:21:01 GMT
I might be wrong but I think the County Board already have plans to install floodlights in Killarney and to upgrade the stand. This would pay for the upgrade. It is surprising Fitzgerald Stadium isn't developed into a serious Events Centre considering the hospitality infrastructure in the Killarney backdrop. Our friends across the border are stealing a march in this regard with the Páirc Ui Chaoimh "Priority Seating". Also the new stands look impressive twitter.com/PaircUiCha0imh/media |
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Nov 16, 2016 13:21:55 GMT
I might be wrong but I think the County Board already have plans to install floodlights in Killarney and to upgrade the stand. This would pay for the upgrade. It is surprising Fitzgerald Stadium isn't developed into a serious Events Centre considering the hospitality infrastructure in the Killarney backdrop. Theres no point realy with the INEC down the road having the market cornered. |
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 16, 2016 16:52:09 GMT
I might be wrong but I think the County Board already have plans to install floodlights in Killarney and to upgrade the stand. Yeah sounds familiar all right. I think it was spoken off as next on the to-do list once the Currans development is completed. This would pay for the upgrade. It is surprising Fitzgerald Stadium isn't developed into a serious Events Centre considering the hospitality infrastructure in the Killarney backdrop. Theres no point realy with the INEC down the road having the market cornered. The site of the old Torc hotel - on the right after you pass under the railway bridge heading out the Park Road was looking for planning permission for a 868 seat conference centre, so it looks like the O'Donoghues might not have the convention market completely sewn up. The fact that there is no accommodation on site struck me as a bit weird, and I haven't heard anything about it since the announcement. There's also the fact that a fair few of the hotels also have space for conferences/meetings. www.radiokerry.ie/news/permission-sought-for-868-seat-conference-centre-in-killarney/I still think that the idea of a GAA museum makes a lot of sense, especially when you consider the number of tourists who visit Killarney. I remember seeing somewhere that Croke Park in Dublin got something like a third of it's footfall on non-match days. The area of the outside pitch in Fitzgerald stadium (going in from Lewis road) doesn't really get used for much of anything so I think that would be the best site for it. As an aside one of my earliest childhood memories is of kicking a ball around here on some open day or something. I think I would have been something around the order of 3/4/5 and I have a clear recollection of thinking it was beyond massive. Also worth remembering that this list of stadiums is likely to be be whittled down a bit, but it's hard to see Killarney losing out given all the facilities for tourists. There was a motion that was passed in Congress 3/4 years ago about allowing GAA stadiums to be used as part of any bid for the Rugby World Cup - Might well have been worded to allow any temporary/once-off changes to fixtures to take place as well? |
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 16, 2016 17:39:12 GMT
Our friends across the border are stealing a march in this regard with the Páirc Ui Chaoimh "Priority Seating". Also the new stands look impressive twitter.com/PaircUiCha0imh/mediaThe pictures might look pretty but I'd say that Frank and the lads are crossing all their fingers and toes that this priority seating sells. I'd say if anyone managed to get a peak of the budget for the project it wouldn't look anything resembling pretty. There is a launch thing tonight. www.gaa.ie/news/pairc-chaoimh-will-available-host-2017-munster-finals/Given the recent form of the footballers and the hurlers and the fact things seem to be getting worse if anything, I can't see there being massive demand for these. €650 a year for what seems like a fairly small number of big games. By comparison a 10 year ticket for Croke Park, which includes a guaranteed ticket to all GAA fixtures (a far higher number, especially of big games including both All-Ireland finals) is €13,500 I know there is a slightly different market, but in terms of value for money this seems much better value. Yeah and if you believe that I have a tower in Paris for sale. They've already admitted the project has gone 8 million over budget and that was a year ago. Since then there has been a fair amount of talk about various issues with the project. I wonder if any of the PR pieces in the media will mention the current state of budget over-run. |
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 23, 2016 9:59:12 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 28, 2016 9:41:21 GMT
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