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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 28, 2016 18:32:48 GMT
Say you don't like Donaghy that's fine just don't make up some bull* justification for it based on one incident.
Your last post was a lot more honest and I respect what you are saying.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 28, 2016 23:10:07 GMT
"mocked by keyboard warriors"
Comedy gold!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2016 6:40:31 GMT
Laughable stuff for sure. Donaghy is being criticised for his reaction after being eyed gouged by Philly. But hold on, Philly is a great lad really isn't he.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 29, 2016 10:05:21 GMT
Laughable stuff for sure. Donaghy is being criticised for his reaction after being eyed gouged by Philly. But hold on, Philly is a great lad really isn't he. Another discussion. And another dig. But bring it on
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 29, 2016 10:08:12 GMT
"mocked by keyboard warriors" Comedy gold! How so? I presume you're trying to claim what I said about Donaghy was mockery? No it wasn't. It was a direct, honest criticism. What was said about Cluxton back then, and in a previous post above by Annascaul, that was mockery. If you don't know the difference then you're the comedy.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 29, 2016 10:12:11 GMT
Say you don't like Donaghy that's fine just don't make up some bull* justification for it based on one incident. Your last post was a lot more honest and I respect what you are saying. Firstly I did say clearly what I wanted to say, clear, and direct, not the snart-arsed stuff you came out with. Secondly there are things I like about Donaghy, which I listed, but clearly saying there are things I don't like is all that is noticed, selectively. Thirdly, I listed more than one incident above, perhaps you didn't read the post, and are about to use the classic lazy defense of "I can't read long posts(teacher)"?
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Post by fitz on Dec 29, 2016 10:54:15 GMT
Rashers- I think on some of your points, they are just points, like all of the ones the rest of us provide, is the sense of assertion of definitions in place of opinion. E.g mockery above, what it is and isn't Another would be Donaghy's post match interview and "one or two other childish interviews,nothing major though". Glad he passes that test.
You often refer back to the Kerry/Dublin rivalry and games of 70s/2000s era when also referencing "did their talking on the pitch", specifically as I read it as how class conducts itself, not whinging to refs or doing interviews that lack class. Opinion. Those teams engaged in lots of acts lacking class, off the ball mainly. What am I talking about? I'm asserting definitions now myself. Opinion.
We all like/dislike posts - we don't need clarification that we know what we're talking about, or that we need guidance on same. There are exceptions for all of us if we gets our facts wrong, genuine mistakes.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 29, 2016 10:54:26 GMT
Nobody from anywhere would doubt Donaghy's talent, and ability to produce when the chips are down. A true warrior, and leader. Some behaviours that make it easy for opposition to see him as the bad boy, simple as that. And most or all opposition fans would worship him in their own team. Except for the Brolly rant after the final. And a couple of interviews, which were childish. Nothing criminal though "Except for the Brolly rant". Actually what were the childish interviews?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 29, 2016 10:57:16 GMT
"mocked by keyboard warriors" Comedy gold! How so? I presume you're trying to claim what I said about Donaghy was mockery? No it wasn't. It was a direct, honest criticism. What was said about Cluxton back then, and in a previous post above by Annascaul, that was mockery. If you don't know the difference then you're the comedy. So when you personally criticise our players it is direct and honest but when I hit back it is mockery?!! I think we should shake hands and finish up but you keep going back for more and as I said I refuse to concede on the Brolly thing.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 29, 2016 12:06:12 GMT
How so? I presume you're trying to claim what I said about Donaghy was mockery? No it wasn't. It was a direct, honest criticism. What was said about Cluxton back then, and in a previous post above by Annascaul, that was mockery. If you don't know the difference then you're the comedy. So when you personally criticise our players it is direct and honest but when I hit back it is mockery?!! I think we should shake hands and finish up but you keep going back for more and as I said I refuse to concede on the Brolly thing. No problem agreeing to disagree Annascaul. And I certainly don't expect Kerry people to take criticisms of Kerry people on a Kerry forum either well or lying down. As Fitzwop said above, it's all opinions. These are just, like, my opinions, man, of course. However it's clear to me that I was being direct, you were being mocking. To use your own post, just say you don't like cold stoical players in comparison to effervescent dancers wearing their heart on their sleeve, or whatever it is you really wanted to say, if it was anything more substantial than using Cluxton as a way to defend Donaghy. But don't come up with deflected BS just because you don't really want to directly answer criticisms. In answer to your other question, interviews/comments such as the ones he gave about the McMahon incident; interview prior to last year's final about 2011. I don't have it to quote right now, before you ask, but he pretty much said he was robbed of an All-I medal, and dismissed Cluxton, and went on to talk about ROC's 'fouling', and the refereeing that might be needed. And tried to couch it all as "ah share just a bit of hopping ball". Unforgiveable stuff in my book, sorry.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 29, 2016 12:16:28 GMT
So when you personally criticise our players it is direct and honest but when I hit back it is mockery?!! I think we should shake hands and finish up but you keep going back for more and as I said I refuse to concede on the Brolly thing. No problem agreeing to disagree Annascaul. And I certainly don't expect Kerry people to take criticisms of Kerry people on a Kerry forum either well or lying down. As Fitzwop said above, it's all opinions. These are just, like, my opinions, man, of course. However it's clear to me that I was being direct, you were being mocking. To use your own post, just say you don't like cold stoical players in comparison to effervescent dancers wearing their heart on their sleeve, or whatever it is you really wanted to say, if it was anything more substantial than using Cluxton as a way to defend Donaghy. But don't come up with deflected BS just because you don't really want to directly answer criticisms. In answer to your other question, interviews/comments such as the ones he gave about the McMahon incident; interview prior to last year's final about 2011. I don't have it to quote right now, before you ask, but he pretty much said he was robbed of an All-I medal, and dismissed Cluxton, and went on to talk about ROC's 'fouling', and the refereeing that might be needed. And tried to couch it all as "ah share just a bit of hopping ball". Unforgiveable stuff in my book, sorry. I am going to ignore your second paragraph here and wish you a happy new year.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 29, 2016 12:48:18 GMT
Writing books is a very Kerry thing ... Few dubs do it ...Even heffo didn't.... Did Alan Brogan or the 2011 captain...name won't come to me now..
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 29, 2016 13:01:30 GMT
No problem agreeing to disagree Annascaul. And I certainly don't expect Kerry people to take criticisms of Kerry people on a Kerry forum either well or lying down. As Fitzwop said above, it's all opinions. These are just, like, my opinions, man, of course. However it's clear to me that I was being direct, you were being mocking. To use your own post, just say you don't like cold stoical players in comparison to effervescent dancers wearing their heart on their sleeve, or whatever it is you really wanted to say, if it was anything more substantial than using Cluxton as a way to defend Donaghy. But don't come up with deflected BS just because you don't really want to directly answer criticisms. In answer to your other question, interviews/comments such as the ones he gave about the McMahon incident; interview prior to last year's final about 2011. I don't have it to quote right now, before you ask, but he pretty much said he was robbed of an All-I medal, and dismissed Cluxton, and went on to talk about ROC's 'fouling', and the refereeing that might be needed. And tried to couch it all as "ah share just a bit of hopping ball". Unforgiveable stuff in my book, sorry. I am going to ignore your second paragraph here and wish you a happy new year. How did you know I'm in New Zealand for new year?
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 29, 2016 16:01:56 GMT
I am going to ignore your second paragraph here and wish you a happy new year. How did you know I'm in New Zealand for new year? Kerrymen always like to be a step or two ahead.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 29, 2016 16:55:50 GMT
How did you know I'm in New Zealand for new year? Kerrymen always like to be a step or two ahead. :-)
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 29, 2016 17:12:10 GMT
Janey Mack, the more the GAA masterplan for total domination of Gaelic Football by Dublin comes to fruition, the crankier the Dubs are getting!
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Post by ddtinexile on Dec 29, 2016 17:23:18 GMT
Donaghy has more personality on the nail of his small finger than Cluxton has in his entire body.. chalk and cheese like and we all know who is the chalk.
That's my opinion and i don't give a s what Rashers or any other dub thinks of Kieran or any other Kerry player for that matter..
Anyway Happy New Year .
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 29, 2016 23:08:09 GMT
Donaghy has more personality on the nail of his small finger than Cluxton has in his entire body.. chalk and cheese like and we all know who is the chalk. That's my opinion and i don't give a s what Rashers or any other dub thinks of Kieran or any other Kerry player for that matter.. Anyway Happy New Year . I'm assuming you've been in the company of both to make that assumption. Ive been in the company of Cluxton, never Donaghy . I'm going on Late late show and paper articles to make my opinion of Donaghy, he comes across as a good guy. I wouldn't just use his appearances in a Kerry jersey against Dublin to make up my mind about him as a person . I'm sure you wouldn't be that stupid to do the same.
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Post by madforfootball on Dec 30, 2016 8:18:32 GMT
Donaghy has more personality on the nail of his small finger than Cluxton has in his entire body.. chalk and cheese like and we all know who is the chalk. That's my opinion and i don't give a s what Rashers or any other dub thinks of Kieran or any other Kerry player for that matter.. Anyway Happy New Year . I'm assuming you've been in the company of both to make that assumption. Ive been in the company of Cluxton, never Donaghy . I'm going on Late late show and paper articles to make my opinion of Donaghy, he comes across as a good guy. I wouldn't just use his appearances in a Kerry jersey against Dublin to make up my mind about him as a person . I'm sure you wouldn't be that stupid to do the same. I had the honour of both mens company and yes there like chalk and cheese, kirean is a very out going guy who talks the talk , he is probably a more of a chatter than Stephen but the 15 min s of Cluxton s company certainly changed my opinion of him he might come across as arrogant and moody on the field but he is certain not any of them. If we had to judge fellas for wat they were like with a jersey on there be very few good words said about a lot of kerry players ☺..
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Post by southward on Dec 30, 2016 10:42:00 GMT
Jeez lads, I know it's off-season but it's a sad state of affairs when we have a running debate on players' personalities.
When do we get to judge the thickness of their sandwiches or who has the nicest laugh?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 30, 2016 11:17:38 GMT
Personality should never have been in the discussion, it was about behaviours, actions, comments etc. Have to admit, I've always had a thing for Tomás O'Sé. I do think An Fear Láidir has let his great reputation down a bit with some of his comments since retiring. And that's about the worst I can say about any great Kerry players of the last 20 years
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Post by himself on Dec 30, 2016 13:58:22 GMT
Frankly, it's been a long time since any post on this thread went anywhere near the topic named in the title. Say, I've heard a rumour that Kieran Donaghy brought out a book last year!
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 1, 2017 22:26:32 GMT
I had to put away Donaghy book for a while. The pain of losing the 2015 final and pain of the fathers problems and death was just too much over the Christmas. Riveting and powerful but just too much pain to absorb.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 2, 2017 15:07:46 GMT
The book shows him as a role model for youngsters and the challenges they face, he bears all, no surprise he is so successful given the man he is and it goes away beyond his physique - in fact it is as much to do with how he coped with what life threw at him and he is open about how he mishandled things on occasion, goes over and beyond a sports book and maybe for once the book award found the right book. I flagged my own positive vibes from a browse in Easons back in early December and I didn't do it full justice, maybe because being a sports book I just thought that it was a good one of that genre at best.
I think you will see teachers pull it pout, maybe of a wet day when sports are cancelled or whatever. What could be better than showing them how top cope with someone they can identify with - how many homes are affected by alcohol, gambling, etc - he may well set off a phenomenon and he should be going around to schools, a bit like brave Donal Walsh. And fair play to the broadcasters for giving it the appropriate and repeated showings. Now over to local communities to take the baton and give the youth the support to derive maximum benefit from it. Every school should have it and it will ensure kids realise that they are far from being alone if things get tough.
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Post by glengael on Jan 3, 2017 11:56:12 GMT
Great read so far. Easily the best book by a Kerry player of recent vintage.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 4, 2017 12:06:12 GMT
Great read so far. Easily the best book by a Kerry player of recent vintage. I'd echo that. Pleasantly surprised by the quality of it. He could easily have glossed over a lot of personal stuff but stuck his neck out and put it to print. Kudos for that. Kieran Shannon's basketball obsession probably helped the book a lot too.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 11, 2017 0:54:09 GMT
KIERAN SHANNON:
Donaghy earns reward for retaining the spirt of innocence
Tuesday, November 04, 2014By Kieran Shannon
Last week, just before he would inspire Austin Stacks to their first county title in 20 years and win the right to captain Kerry in 2015, Kieran Donaghy ran a five-day basketball camp for 150 kids in his hometown of Tralee.
Caid and cispheil have long complemented each other in Kerry. Johnny Culloty, Tadhgie Lyne, Derry O’Shea, Danno Keeffe and Niall Sheehy all played basketball as well as football for Kerry when both sports were run along the lines of the inter-county model.
Then in the 70s, when basketball switched to a club-based national league, Stacks had a team in it, with John O’Keeffe among their ranks, just before Paudie O’Connor and Killarney down the road would bring in Americans and Americana to transform hoops into being probably the most exciting sport of the 1980s.
O’Keeffe wasn’t the only member of Mick O’Dwyer’s team of all talents to hone some of those talents playing on the hardwood. Mikey Sheehy often credits Jimmy Hobbart, a local international basketball coach, with tutoring him in the subtleties of space and movement on the football field. Eoin Liston and Sean Walsh have regularly advocated that every aspiring Gaelic footballer should play basketball, with Liston going so far as to say “every football club should be playing basketball in the winter”. It’s a view that Donaghy has echoed and if anyone is a walking endorsement for such an experiment, it is Star himself. Take the way he can brilliantly use his body and hips to take up position around the goal. He credits a lot of that to the rebounding skill of ‘boxing out’ his opponent which works off the premise that first make sure your opponent can’t get the rebound before you yourself try to secure it. At his Be A Star Domino’s camp these past couple of Halloween weeks, he’s even brought out balloons to instil in campers the habit of first putting a body on your opponent instead of giving in to the natural inclination to just go for the ball first.
Or take his goal in the All-Ireland final, when he intercepted Paul Durcan’s short kickout. Afterwards he would talk about how he was trying “to hedge” between Durcan’s two outlets, Leo McLoone and Eamon McGee. It was pure basketball parlance. These days ‘hedging’ is more frequently used as a term for the skill of defending an opponent setting a screen but in some 1990s Irish basketball circles, ‘hedging’ was a way of defending a 2-on-1 fast break: dart at the player in possession and instantly dart back into the passing lane, making the man in possession more likely to either take a tentative shot or throw a pass you can steal. Donaghy’s hedging led to the ultimate steal and most decisive goal of Championship 2014.
Yet if there’s something Donaghy and his story this year can really teach everyone, it is not so much something from basketball as an ideal and concept articulated by a basketball figure. Donaghy will be familiar with the name of Pat Riley. Four years ago, the Kerryman spent time holidaying in Miami, playing some hoops in a local park, taking in a couple of games featuring LeBron James and the Heat, and even bumping into and conversing with the legendary Magic Johnson while running on the beach. Riley coached Johnson to four NBA titles with the LA Lakers in the 1980s. Then as general manager of the Heat, he saw to it James brought his talents to South Beach. And in Riley’s eyes, the foundation to the success of both franchises, or anyone else’s — including Donaghy’s — is a word you think would be the antithesis of winning in sport: innocence.
“Let me explain what I mean,” he’d write 20 years ago, in the first chapter of his book The Winner Within. “There’s a tremendous difference between innocence and naivety. Being naive means failing to understand or acknowledge the threats to your personal territory, and it’s pitiful. Most people get over being naive very quickly but then go to the opposite extreme, to an exclusive focus on Number One, (which Riley would famously term ‘The Disease of Me’).
“Being innocent means understanding territoriality and knowing each player has his space — and then putting it aside for the good of the team... Innocence is about trust in a team. It’s an attitude: doing your most for the team will always bring something good for you. It means believing everything you deserve will eventually come your way. You won’t have to grab for it. You won’t have to force it. It will catch up to you, drawn along in the jetstream, the forward motion of your hard work.”
George O’Connor and Billy Byrne understood that. At the start of the 1996 season, Wexford manager Liam Griffin told both thirtysomethings that while this would be probably the one year in their careers that they wouldn’t be starting on the team, that the team still needed them.
O’Connor said whether he wore number 5, 15 or 25, he’d be there for Griffin. “I’ll carry the oranges if you want me,” responded Byrne.
Come August, Byrne would come off the bench to score the winning goal in the All-Ireland semi-final. Come September, 37-year-old O’Connor would come in for his first start of the Championship.
But not everyone gets it. Conor Mortimer has released a book that has garnered most attention for how he walked away from Mayo after been left out of the starting 15 for a second consecutive game. Innocence would be a cornerstone of that setup which would help make it so competitive in his absence, but Conor himself obviously didn’t quite grasp it the way his old teammates or especially Donaghy would.
Donaghy wasn’t passive about being peripheral for most of this past summer — that would have been a display of naivete.
In an excellent recent interview with Newstalk, he spoke about how he could retain his competitive juices and simultaneously put the team first. “I looked at myself at certain times in July and August and said ‘Maybe I am gone, but you’re going to have to dig in, keep going, suck it up and your break will come. And when your break comes around, you must be ready to take it.’”
He did. He sucked it up, and now thanks to that spirit of innocence, he’s hoovering up everything else.
An All-Ireland, an All Star, a county title, and now the captaincy. He didn’t have to force it, it simply caught up with him, the forward motion of his hard work and innocence.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 11, 2017 1:02:53 GMT
Its hard to overstate the influence of basketball in Donaghys development. James Hobbart is mentioned in the above article and Kieran gives him a lot of credit in the book. Some string of names to come under the tutelage of James Hobbart when he coached the undeage at Stacks. Mikey Sheehy, John OKeeffe, Power, Donaghy before his untimely death.
Rus Bradburd the american coach was a very good fatherly figure too when at the Tralee Tigers and his book "Paddy on the hardwood" is a brilliant book. What started off as a very tetchy relationship between them grew into one of mutual admiration and respect.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 7, 2017 19:00:10 GMT
Kieran Donaghy has been named in the Irish basketball squad.
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Post by gamechanger10 on Mar 7, 2017 21:36:21 GMT
That's a wonderful honour but does that mean he is gone from the Kerry panel I hope not ..
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