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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 23, 2016 0:09:03 GMT
Ewan McBitterKenna is a t.wat of the highest order Thats two posts in a row referring to "Ewan McBitterKenna".... whats at the back of this? In other words, what are you on about? Lillies
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 10:11:33 GMT
Very good read. Definitely the best of all the books released by Kerry players over the past decade. It is very honest and well written. There are some cracking stories in it about team holidays. The least interesting parts funnily enough were the football. It is hard to say anything new on a lot of the Kerry games we have not heard below. That is just a minor point though. Overall it is a great book and one I would thoroughly recommend.
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Post by glengael on Oct 23, 2016 10:49:22 GMT
Thanks for the feedback Ciarraiabu. I think this book might make my Santa list.
The Late Late Show wasn't too bad, not as bad as I was expecting. Given that Tubridy knows nothing about sport and makes a hash of any sports interview he has ever done ( Pat Kenny was pretty much the same), it was as well that there was so little of talk of GAA matters. The 1987 picture is great, I wonder who took it?
Kieran made the choice to speak, bravely I think and not in a self pitying way, about things such as living with addiction and dyslexia, which are part of the lives of many Irish people. For that alone I think he deserves credit.
The last GAA book I really enjoyed was Jack's book, as much for the social history as anything else.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2016 12:37:15 GMT
Ewan likes to wind the dubs up about their vast resources. You would get on well with him. I cant recall reading by him. Is he telling the truth or making things up?
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2016 12:40:51 GMT
The fact that Kieran has brought out this book suggests that we can say goodbye to him as a Kerry player. Like others, I have only read the few extracts that have been published. So far, they are no more than tittle tattle. What more is there to be revealed by Kerry footballers from that era in any case? I don't think I will be buying it. I rarely read sports books now. Most of the ones I have read were no better than mediocre, a lot of them warranted a poorer rating than that. I was encouraged to buy Jack's book and Paul Galvin's book by somebody whose opinion I value. Both were top of the range. By way of contrast, Darragh's effort was mostly garbage. Indeed, the only reason one would buy most of them is to put a few bob the way of the footballer involved. On reflection, I suppose that is a valid reason to buy a particular book. and thats a good enough reason I feel. I have just finished reading the one by Tomas OSe. Tomas has a great economy with words and he can convey real pearls of wisdom in a few words. Some bits are really good. The part about his early childhood and the part about Paidi are great. I enjoyed it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 12:43:34 GMT
A lot of truth but he delivers it in a manner that antagonises. He likes to use the term financial doping when it comes to the dubs. He has also sought to devalue their success as a result.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2016 12:44:24 GMT
I remember reading an article about Donaghy during the summer of 2014. He was a sub and frustrated. He said he decided that he would be a role model for the younger players and show good example and if thats all he could provide to Kerry in 2014 so be it.... that was the gist anyway. We all know how it turned it v Mayo and Donegal. I look forward to reading the book.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 23, 2016 17:03:13 GMT
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Oct 23, 2016 18:23:58 GMT
While I agree that McKenna can be overly brash and the lad may even be bitter- these are the only grounds that i ever seen him attacked on. The validity of his facts rarely, if ever, is - the backlash against him puts me in mind of Lance Armstromg and his belittling of Kimmage and Walsh
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 23, 2016 21:02:30 GMT
What "backlash"? My comment? Naturally we are no fan of him, given that he constantly looks to criticise Dublin GAA, whilst being entirely disingenuous and even hypocritcal about the use of resources in his own county over the last 20 years or so.
He is clearly completely biased, has an agenda, and also your claim about the validity of his facts would be easily challenged, sadly I don't have those at my disposal, I'm sure some others will if they can be bothered giving him the time of day.
Bottom line is that his analysis seems to be mostly based on bias, and therefore prejudice, and offers nothing remotely constructive or creative by way of that debate.
Naturally what he is saying will please and fit neatly into the beliefs of some here, so I don't expect people to agree with my view
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 23, 2016 21:41:45 GMT
Where is this terrible man from
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 21:59:25 GMT
Where is this terrible man from Kildare. He is just another bitter culchie😂🚜😜
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 23, 2016 22:06:46 GMT
Where is this terrible man from Kildare. He is just another bitter culchie😂🚜😜 No, he is a Kildare one, they are a particular breed
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 24, 2016 20:44:31 GMT
maybe he is related to Seamus Aldridge
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 24, 2016 21:43:38 GMT
What "backlash"? My comment? Naturally we are no fan of him, given that he constantly looks to criticise Dublin GAA, whilst being entirely disingenuous and even hypocritcal about the use of resources in his own county over the last 20 years or so. He is clearly completely biased, has an agenda, and also your claim about the validity of his facts would be easily challenged, sadly I don't have those at my disposal, I'm sure some others will if they can be bothered giving him the time of day. Bottom line is that his analysis seems to be mostly based on bias, and therefore prejudice, and offers nothing remotely constructive or creative by way of that debate. Naturally what he is saying will please and fit neatly into the beliefs of some here, so I don't expect people to agree with my view It would be interesting to read some hard data to back your assertions and to substantiate them on the matter of these wasted resources since '96 or so you speak about?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 24, 2016 22:53:25 GMT
What "backlash"? My comment? Naturally we are no fan of him, given that he constantly looks to criticise Dublin GAA, whilst being entirely disingenuous and even hypocritcal about the use of resources in his own county over the last 20 years or so. He is clearly completely biased, has an agenda, and also your claim about the validity of his facts would be easily challenged, sadly I don't have those at my disposal, I'm sure some others will if they can be bothered giving him the time of day. Bottom line is that his analysis seems to be mostly based on bias, and therefore prejudice, and offers nothing remotely constructive or creative by way of that debate. Naturally what he is saying will please and fit neatly into the beliefs of some here, so I don't expect people to agree with my view It would be interesting to read some hard data to back your assertions and to substantiate them on the matter of these wasted resources since '96 or so you speak about? I don't, I've read it elsewhere. Also it's much harder to get details of private funding. Doesn't change the fact that huge money (relative to the time, from about 1990 on) was used to try to get almost instant success at senior level rather than developing structures, getting more kids involved on a large scale etc. That didn't seem to attract any of this recent negative attention, that is being heaped upon a great job that has been done here. Just to see how many kids and young people have taken up hurling in the city here, is a massive success. Meath, Louth, Kildare all have very large urban areas, and large populations.The question should be, how come they haven't attracted the same investment, or used what investment they got better? Look at the state of Meath football at the moment, and Kildare perhaps even more relatively speaking, it's clear they haven't set up the structures to attract the investment. Why throw money at bad operations? GAA saw potential because John Costello and others had great plans and ideas that made sense and were prepared to back them up/implement them in a workable, sensible way. Most of the current crop of successful senior football players were trained as kids before the bulk of the huge investment really filtered through. If it's all about money how come the hurlers haven't won more, even allowing for the drain to football? CLubs like Ballymun did massive work themselves, to get 6 or 7 players in the senior squad, most of them in the first team. There's bigger clubs out there than Ballymun. When these clubs were fighting to compete with soccer etc in the 90s, and poverty, and social decay/drugs etc, where were all these people then, who now claim to care so much about 'equality', 'fairness' etc? They want to spend more energy now on "we want more" than on ideas of actually doing things that work.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 25, 2016 5:44:11 GMT
It is a crying shame that the level of bitterness, moaning and outright preciousness seen all across the internet, that has led me to abandon the Twitter, has now infected the previously joyful Kerry GAA forum.
What have we become in Kerry? Surely the Kerry way is to go up and beat them despite any advantages perceived or real?
Fairness and inequality my arse. Just get on with it. Things might be fair and equal in some kind of utopia but this is the real world where disadvantages are overcome with a mean attitude and hard work.
We are doing ourselves and this great Dublin team a great dishonour with this level of moaning and whingeing.
If people involved with the Kerry senior team share a tiny fraction of these attitudes I fear for our future.
We used to be made of sterner stuff.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 25, 2016 7:20:33 GMT
It would be interesting to read some hard data to back your assertions and to substantiate them on the matter of these wasted resources since '96 or so you speak about? I don't, I've read it elsewhere. Also it's much harder to get details of private funding. Doesn't change the fact that huge money (relative to the time, from about 1990 on) was used to try to get almost instant success at senior level rather than developing structures, getting more kids involved on a large scale etc. That didn't seem to attract any of this recent negative attention, that is being heaped upon a great job that has been done here. Just to see how many kids and young people have taken up hurling in the city here, is a massive success. Meath, Louth, Kildare all have very large urban areas, and large populations.The question should be, how come they haven't attracted the same investment, or used what investment they got better? Look at the state of Meath football at the moment, and Kildare perhaps even more relatively speaking, it's clear they haven't set up the structures to attract the investment. Why throw money at bad operations? GAA saw potential because John Costello and others had great plans and ideas that made sense and were prepared to back them up/implement them in a workable, sensible way. Most of the current crop of successful senior football players were trained as kids before the bulk of the huge investment really filtered through. If it's all about money how come the hurlers haven't won more, even allowing for the drain to football? CLubs like Ballymun did massive work themselves, to get 6 or 7 players in the senior squad, most of them in the first team. There's bigger clubs out there than Ballymun. When these clubs were fighting to compete with soccer etc in the 90s, and poverty, and social decay/drugs etc, where were all these people then, who now claim to care so much about 'equality', 'fairness' etc? They want to spend more energy now on "we want more" than on ideas of actually doing things that work. What exactly did you read and where did you read it? Was it from a reputable source or was it hearsay?
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Post by glengael on Oct 25, 2016 7:21:44 GMT
To bring this back to the topic, I had a sneaky look at the book yesterday and it seems to be good. I believe there are more signings across Kerry over the coming weeks.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 25, 2016 9:00:14 GMT
It is a crying shame that the level of bitterness, moaning and outright preciousness seen all across the internet, that has led me to abandon the Twitter, has now infected the previously joyful Kerry GAA forum. What have we become in Kerry? Surely the Kerry way is to go up and beat them despite any advantages perceived or real? Fairness and inequality my arse. Just get on with it. Things might be fair and equal in some kind of utopia but this is the real world where disadvantages are overcome with a mean attitude and hard work. We are doing ourselves and this great Dublin team a great dishonour with this level of moaning and whingeing. If people involved with the Kerry senior team share a tiny fraction of these attitudes I fear for our future. We used to be made of sterner stuff. You have a very narrow mind it seems to me. It's not all about Kerry and Dublin you know. Great gaa counties like the rossies etc are being left behind ...probably forever. Also you will just have to accept that issues that you don't like are discussed here from time to time. Leave the forum like you left Twitter if you don't like it.
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 25, 2016 18:49:58 GMT
To bring this back to the topic, I had a sneaky look at the book yesterday and it seems to be good. I believe there are more signings across Kerry over the coming weeks. Same here. Some good bits about the one bit of being a Kerry footballer that must be difficult - being accessible to people who want to go over your performance with you.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 25, 2016 23:19:04 GMT
I don't, I've read it elsewhere. Also it's much harder to get details of private funding. Doesn't change the fact that huge money (relative to the time, from about 1990 on) was used to try to get almost instant success at senior level rather than developing structures, getting more kids involved on a large scale etc. That didn't seem to attract any of this recent negative attention, that is being heaped upon a great job that has been done here. Just to see how many kids and young people have taken up hurling in the city here, is a massive success. Meath, Louth, Kildare all have very large urban areas, and large populations.The question should be, how come they haven't attracted the same investment, or used what investment they got better? Look at the state of Meath football at the moment, and Kildare perhaps even more relatively speaking, it's clear they haven't set up the structures to attract the investment. Why throw money at bad operations? GAA saw potential because John Costello and others had great plans and ideas that made sense and were prepared to back them up/implement them in a workable, sensible way. Most of the current crop of successful senior football players were trained as kids before the bulk of the huge investment really filtered through. If it's all about money how come the hurlers haven't won more, even allowing for the drain to football? CLubs like Ballymun did massive work themselves, to get 6 or 7 players in the senior squad, most of them in the first team. There's bigger clubs out there than Ballymun. When these clubs were fighting to compete with soccer etc in the 90s, and poverty, and social decay/drugs etc, where were all these people then, who now claim to care so much about 'equality', 'fairness' etc? They want to spend more energy now on "we want more" than on ideas of actually doing things that work. What exactly did you read and where did you read it? Was it from a reputable source or was it hearsay? What is a reputable source? I have read and heard various sources, forums, individuals, what I read in the media down the years about Kildare's private funding. I don't know if what I've heard was the truth, perhaps like alot of things in Ireland it's a matter of interpretation and debatable facts. Seeing as you have such an interest in it, what is your opinion, and what do you know about it?
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Post by Derek on Oct 26, 2016 8:08:26 GMT
Picked the book up Saturday and finished it last night and it was a great read. It'd be up there with Galvin's in my opinion. Amazing the passion he has for Kerry football and what he went through physically and mentally at times to play for Kerry - we forget he played a league game two days after the death of his father. Lots of chapters on his basketball career as well which made very interesting reading especially as to how good a basketball player he really was and where that career may have taken him.
Personally I think he will be back for one last crack at it and I hope to god he does. Still has an awful lot to offer if the ball isn't pumped stupidly into him as it has been many times in the past.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 26, 2016 19:32:13 GMT
What exactly did you read and where did you read it? Was it from a reputable source or was it hearsay? What is a reputable source? I have read and heard various sources, forums, individuals, what I read in the media down the years about Kildare's private funding. I don't know if what I've heard was the truth, perhaps like alot of things in Ireland it's a matter of interpretation and debatable facts. Seeing as you have such an interest in it, what is your opinion, and what do you know about it? Hearsay is flimsy under footing for casting aspersions on the characters of people? O'Dwyer and McGeeeny didn't bankrupt Kildare. More got to do with the development of their centre of excellence at Halkfield and the collapse of the €21 million sale of St Conletts Park in the centre of Newbridge during the down turn. Define private finding. Is it the fundraising work of various Supporter clubs. The 120k the kildare panel raised themselves for their training fund each year under McGeeney. Sponsored cars from VW and food hampers from Supervalu enjoyed by BB, or Dessie all loved up in the plush Croker suit counting the 120k per week allowance, maybe a benefactor like JP McManus giving millions to Limerick GAA? or is this private funding something even more sinister?
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Post by Chinatown on Nov 16, 2016 22:46:40 GMT
Just finished it. Enjoyed the stories nearly more on the basketball, his first and true love?
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Post by inforthebreaks on Nov 23, 2016 10:25:44 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 5, 2016 16:46:45 GMT
Named sports book of the year. Well want do you think of that?
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Post by Kingdomson on Dec 5, 2016 19:39:44 GMT
Named sports book of the year. Well want do you think of that? Fantastic! Congratulations to Kieran Donaghy! In such a competitive market that really is a remarkable achievement.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Dec 5, 2016 23:13:55 GMT
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Post by glengael on Dec 6, 2016 10:40:32 GMT
That's a nice piece. It seems like he hasn't made his mind up yet but is considering and is aware of all of the angles. I look forward to reading the book on the 25th.
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