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Post by hurlingman on Dec 30, 2016 11:00:31 GMT
santa didn't get rd to getting the DVD to my house on time. Kinda glad now as seems a bit disappointing. I was afraid it might lack a bit of substance. I'll still get it sometime as the original is what got me hooked fully. So it will probably be a great waych for the youngsters. I like u would like the lean years shown and Key events like that discussed. To yourself and Hurlingman...it shouldn't have taken an Einstein to figure out the lean years would NOT be a part of it... Well it does say right on the front of it is ''1988 -2016'' so one would assume it would be part of it
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Dec 30, 2016 16:16:34 GMT
To yourself and Hurlingman...it shouldn't have taken an Einstein to figure out the lean years would NOT be a part of it... Well it does say right on the front of it is ''1988 -2016'' so one would assume it would be part of it In that case I would like to take back what I said and apologise.
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 30, 2016 18:07:06 GMT
I am wondering if there is something wrong with my dvd player. The quality of imagery from the matches is shocking. Very blurry. Will have to try it in someone elses house to be sure.
And finally, can someone please tell Michael O Muircheartaigh to either undo his top shirt button or wear a tie. Or is Galvin dressing him in his spring collection.
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Post by ballynamona on Dec 30, 2016 19:05:58 GMT
I am wondering if there is something wrong with my dvd player. The quality of imagery from the matches is shocking. Very blurry. Will have to try it in someone elses house to be sure. And finally, can someone please tell Michael O Muircheartaigh to either undo his top shirt button or wear a tie. Or is Galvin dressing him in his spring collection. Picture quality is poor on mine too. To be honest, this dvd is not up to scratch as a production. It doesn't even have a menu.
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Post by glengael on Dec 31, 2016 10:54:23 GMT
I think the most recent GAA dvd I bought was the one Weeshie did on the Kerry captains down through the years. That is excellent. This one, which Santa brought, is not in the same league. Having seen only the first hour or so and reserving judgement on the rest, I agree with previous posters re quality, it certainly isn't on a par with the Captains DVD at all.
I had, given the title, expected that 1988 to feature even briefly as it was the year that brought us Maurice. 1991 was another pivotal year, a no hope team ending a 3 in a row bid in Killarney. 1996 the wondrous day of days in Cork. I know none of these years yielded an All Ireland but they were all in their own way key parts in the development of the winning teams in the era that followed.
In what I have seen I found, unsurprisingly, that my recollection differed from what actually happened in some games. I could have sworn John Crowley scored a goal v Cork in the 2001 Munster Final. I thought the ball was worked carefully and precisely up the field for the free to equalise v Armagh in 2000. Never remember Eamon Fitzmaurice scoring a point which apparently he did.
2 players come to prominence for me from I've seen. Declan O'Keeffe, some of those saves were magnificent and like all Rathmore men who came after him, he rarely looked troubled by the significance of it all. And Mike Frank Russell, I had shamefully forgotten just how brilliant the man was.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 20:25:28 GMT
Having watched it all now, I would echo what has been said already. Very poor generally. It is probably similar enough to the golden years part 1 but given that was made 30 years ago that does not say much. People are entitled to expect more from a 20 DVD.
Maybe I missed this but did they actually exclude donaghys goal v Armagh in 2006. Mind boggling if that is the case.
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Post by sullyschoice on Dec 31, 2016 23:24:43 GMT
Yes, they did. Was wondering about it myself too.
I enjoyed the clips of the matches but the quality was shocking. It was great to watch it with my 16 year old who never got to see Maurice Fitz play in the flesh.
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Post by ballynamona on Jan 1, 2017 13:06:12 GMT
Darran O'Sullivan's goal v Armagh in 2006 was omitted also. Not as pivotal as Donaghy's but a great moment. Bizarre that that game was glossed over. The NFL final victories deserve their place too.
3 hours was too short really. The last few years were kind of raced through a bit.
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Post by animal on Jan 3, 2017 10:19:46 GMT
Very disappointed with the DVD and to be honest if that is the general view here I bet it's the view of most people who purchased it. The image quality is abysmal. I suspect they tried cramming too much data onto the dvd and compressed the quality - if you ever owned a dvd recorder you'll know what I mean. Also would it have killed them to have a menu where you can select a chapter? I'm afraid my fears about this product have come to fruition - the delay of the release was an omen and the lack of involvement of a proper production company did not bode well. The very least we should expect is a decent image quality. My old VHS tapes from the same games are superior!!
Wonder is there any point in writing to the County Board to express our dissatisfaction?
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Post by buck02 on Jan 3, 2017 15:53:50 GMT
A lost opportunity no doubt.
First, it should have been a 2 DVD package to allow for more footage and improved quality.
Second, it seemed to me like it was given to a bunch of college students as a 'project', with the said bunch of students having no real knowledge of Kerry GAA or the big games played in the era. They put in some forgetful games (e.g. Clare 97, Derry 04, Meath 09) and then omitted classics such as Armagh 06, Galway in the rain 08, Cork semi finals 08, Tyrone qualifier 12.
Even the interviews looked like some fellas being interviewed for a crime documentary. I was half expecting Paul Williams to come on talking about a crime feud in Dublin.
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Post by hurlingman on Jan 3, 2017 16:34:17 GMT
One thing i learned from it is the chip on Martin Carneys shoulder re Kerry isn't a new thing
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Post by southward on Jan 3, 2017 22:47:06 GMT
Very disappointing to hear this lads. Hadn't bought it yet but planned to after Christmas. Don't think I'll bother now.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 4, 2017 12:01:36 GMT
Very disappointing to hear this lads. Hadn't bought it yet but planned to after Christmas. Don't think I'll bother now. Its probably still worth having a copy. Highlights for me were the rarely seen 97 semi final and Mike Franks goal, the 2000 semi finals (Mike Frank goals and Fitz's goal), the 2004 Munster Final Replay (Tomas goal with left leg and Brosnans goal). Most of the rest of the stuff were easily available. And remember the proceeds go to the Currans development.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 4, 2017 12:14:17 GMT
Video quality as opposed to content quality is a bigger issue here, we'd watch anything about Kerry and regardless of who, when, where or how they played. But if it is going to be painful then why didn't they just have another draw. It also blots the landscape of memorabilia and it should really be withdrawn as above all, Kerry does not fall down on the basics and it sets a bad example. And it is all the worse given that we have a major sponsor of such high standards; bet they won't be too pleased. Maybe the County Board needs to be shaken up and any administration that puts such shoddy stuff out in the open is out of touch; they might have gotten away with it in their day but maybe their time is up.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 4, 2017 18:20:28 GMT
Disappointing to hear this is a sub standard production. Should have been a cutting edge 2-3 piece 6 hour production to take in the famine, the wins and the loses with proceeds going to Currans.
Kerry will need to become more professional and business like going forward in their dealings. The Dubs won't stay static and have moved the game on and off the field to a different level. A full time business development officer is a must do appointment for the KCB. The main Kerry site, as of yesterday evening hasn't been updated to include the new chairman and executive. We need to be sharp, professional and business like going forward.
I note that Mark O'Connor has indicated that he now running freely due to the amount of physiotherapy care he has received. It is mind boggling to think that over the past two season we couldn't have got Mark O'Connor running freely.
Mark also indicated that he was happy in his new surroundings but that he was also happy in Kerry. The lines are fine, we need to step up to the plate and not leave things to chance and become more professional.
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Post by ballynamona on Jan 4, 2017 21:55:51 GMT
I agree with Buck that I would still pay the €20 for the dvd. It is disappointing more because DVDs like this are essentially the main historical document - they will be visited more often than any book. My main frame of reference for the 1975-86 period is the Golden Years video, as I was too young to be a real supporter then.
I posted earlier (in this thread I think) about the RTE's GAA archive from 1962. They showed All-Ireland Semis and Finals from 1962 onward, with the Sunday game beginning in 1979. They would have covered most Provincial Finals before 1979 in some other guise as can be seen in the Golden Years.
There is an imperative to digitise this material soon. Kerry should take the lead by producing a 'prequel' to Kerry's Golden Years, i.e. 1962 to 1974. It wasn't as successful an era, and the footage would be almost all in Black and White, but that's not the point.
In that time, Kerry were in 8 All-Ireland Semis, 8 All-Ireland Finals (counting 1972 as two games) and 6 NFL finals. There must be footage of most if not all of those games still in existence. RTE seem to be able to dredge up old clips. I remember when Kerry played Longford in 2006 they produced a clip from the 1968 AI Semi-Final. It surely would be possible to create a decent 2 hour dvd (or longer) of that era. I know all those finals are on dvd but realistically, you will not often want to watch a full game from yesteryear when you know the result. If they went all out and included a menu you could dip in and out! It can be jarring watching B&W for long periods in this day and age (to me anyway).
As an 'extra' the 1975 doc on Mick O'Connell could be spruced up and included.
This dvd would allow people to see decent footage of some great players of the era and probably be impressed by one or two less familiar names. I know that people like Mick O'Dwyer, Mick O'Connell and Seamus Murphy were great players but is based more on hearing than on seeing.
New interviews could be done with surviving players to link it and provide a narrative. It's worth remembering that 1953 is now the earliest Kerry All-Ireland winning team where any medalists are still with us. The time to undertake this project is now.
Any players who played in a final from 1953 to 1972 could be invited to a reunion dinner. Some interviews could be conducted at it.
Sadly, quite a few of the players from the 1950s/60s died young: Paudie Sheehy, Jimmy Lucey, Eamon O'Donoghue, Tim 'Tiger' Lyons and Kevin Coffey. Others who died more recently include Seamus Murphy, Liam Higgins, Paud O'Donoghue, John 'Thorny' O'Shea and DJ Crowley.
Of course, they should get professionals to do it. CR Videos in Caherciveen did Wheesie's Kerry captains DVD and did a fine job.
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Jan 5, 2017 16:26:34 GMT
Just watched the first half hour. I was really looking forward to it but, to be honest its not great.
The montage about 3 mins in was very good in fairness and they should have probably opened the DVD with this as an intro to the title tracks or something.
The quality is very bad. Even the Kerry group logo on the purple looks shoddy at the start. Some of the footage is poor too. Was it just pulled from youtube or what? Surely RTE would provide better quality footage than that?
The talking heads as well look like a few lads that you'd see on prime time investigates with heads pixelated out such is the darkness around them. Was it a completely in house production or was it outsourced to a proper production theme.
Its about the standard of the lads the would film your wedding back in the day on the old VHS cameras and do the editing by copying between two VHS machines. (Thats probably doing them a diservice)
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Post by animal on Jan 6, 2017 10:17:33 GMT
I wonder how many people signed off on this before it got the green light for sale? It's hard to imagine someone from Kerry Group being happy to sign off on such shoddy quality. It's so frustrating because while we can quibble about the content I don't think that's the problem here (I'm sure the 75 - 87 video left out some treasured moments too) but the picture quality is beyond awful.
We all want to help the cause and €20 going to the new facility is fine and everything but the players, management and supporters deserve much better. The Golden Years team were given a worthy tribute with their video and no doubt this team deserve similar.
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Post by buck02 on Jan 6, 2017 10:55:31 GMT
I wonder how many people signed off on this before it got the green light for sale? It's hard to imagine someone from Kerry Group being happy to sign off on such shoddy quality. It's so frustrating because while we can quibble about the content I don't think that's the problem here ( I'm sure the 75 - 87 video left out some treasured moments too) but the picture quality is beyond awful. We all want to help the cause and €20 going to the new facility is fine and everything but the players, management and supporters deserve much better. The Golden Years team were given a worthy tribute with their video and no doubt this team deserve similar. In my memory I dont think the Golden Years left out many 'treasured moments' - probably because back then all they had to show every year was Munster Final v Cork, Semi Final and Final and the odd league final. Leaving out Kerry-Armagh from 2006 would be like leaving out Kerry-Offaly game from 1980 and leaving out the two Cork semi finals from 2008 would be like leaving out the 1976 draw and replay between the same teams. I just dont think those who produced the DVD didnt really understand what they were meant to do.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 6, 2017 11:09:16 GMT
One way to resolve this, recall it, refund it, redo it properly and relaunch it again ASP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 11:50:30 GMT
It is hard to think of a more iconic moment in the 00's than THAT donaghy goal in 2006.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 6, 2017 12:57:23 GMT
Darran's goal was also a huge moment in a huge game for Kerry.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jan 6, 2017 13:32:47 GMT
Going by the reports on here I will be giving this a miss. Sounds like a real missed opportunity to create something great for posterity.
The original Golden Years video was popular well beyond the county bounds. For me the defining game of that era was the Quarter final vs Armagh in 2006. It is the most memorable game for me anyway. The game vs Galway in 2008 is another standout. Both these games should nearly be shown in full, while some of the finals were not as memorable for me.
Some music albums and dvds get multiple releases – deluxe, unplugged, etc – is it crazy to suggest that the County board revisit this project and reissue a better product with 2 or 3 dvd’s and extended highlights of the more important games? Call it a deluxe edition? Or just recall it altogether.
We are lucky to have the video files thread here and YouTube but with this production you expect the best.
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Post by ballynamona on Jan 6, 2017 18:10:07 GMT
No chance will it be recalled. Much worse publicity than leaving it out there.
I can only think of 1 or 2 things in the Kerry Golden Years video that were left out and that would add to it. The below goal by Mikey Sheehy is an inexplicable omission:
The other is this haymaker by Paidi 'Southpaw' Ó Sé:
The Golden Years videos didn't generally show sendings off. The only bit of it I tend never to watch is the Ford Open Cup match in 1985.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 6, 2017 18:57:29 GMT
No chance will it be recalled. Much worse publicity than leaving it out there. I can only think of 1 or 2 things in the Kerry Golden Years video that were left out and that would add to it. The below goal by Mikey Sheehy is an inexplicable omission: The other is this haymaker by Paidi 'Southpaw' Ó Sé: The Golden Years videos didn't generally show sendings off. The only bit of it I tend never to watch is the Ford Open Cup match in 1985. No harm in holding ones hand up and saying you got it wrong.
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Post by taggert on Jan 6, 2017 19:18:36 GMT
What a goal by Mikey that was. Sublime.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 7, 2017 0:22:12 GMT
I havent got around to getting the DVd yet but I will do so despite the poor reviews. €20 goes towards Currans so tis worth it for that alone.
Like others have said, not showing Donaghys coming of age in 2006 v Armagh is a shocker.
I posted up the following video a few months ago.
I downloaded a video of the game that someone had put up on YouTube and I edited out all bits bar whats shown on the clip.
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Post by ballynamona on Jan 7, 2017 11:29:20 GMT
Thanks Mickmack for that. Some double save by Hearty just before half-time.
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Post by jackiel on Jan 7, 2017 20:09:54 GMT
Finally had the opportunity to watch it late last night and finish it this morning, while picture clarity wasn't great must say I did enjoy it. great to see Mike Frank and Maurice Fitz in action again.As I won it in a competition I cant really complain, would have liked to see the book that accompanied it
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 8, 2017 1:26:16 GMT
Looking at those clips just goes to show what that jersey means.
To current players, no pressure!
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