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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 11, 2016 15:54:43 GMT
This is a short bit of a video of Mark in the 2015 final. I wish him all the best. Amazing skill in the air. Massive loss to Kerry going forward if this move down under goes ahead.
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Post by peanuts on Oct 11, 2016 16:46:22 GMT
This is a short bit of a video of Mark in the 2015 final. I wish him all the best. Amazing skill in the air. He gave one of the best fielding performances I have seen in the 2nd half of PCDs first Hogan Cup win in 2014.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 11, 2016 17:29:39 GMT
Dangerous game, looking for compensation. I would much rather clubs remain training local young lads because we love the club, the area, the games and because the training is good for the young lads. I'm fully convinced that if ever compensation comes in for players moving to the AFL we would quickly turn our clubs into bona fide businesses where selling players to the AFL would be the goal rather than the situation now where it is a bittersweet occasional occurance. Plus, in order to create a workable mechanism by which we could handle it we would have to give clubs some form of ownership over players in the form of signed contracts surely, and we know what direction we're going in there. The day we take payments for players like Mark O'Connor from Aussie Rules via kennelly or anyone else is the day I'll cancel my club membership and close the GAA door behind me for good.
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 11, 2016 19:09:08 GMT
Dangerous game, looking for compensation. I would much rather clubs remain training local young lads because we love the club, the area, the games and because the training is good for the young lads. I'm fully convinced that if ever compensation comes in for players moving to the AFL we would quickly turn our clubs into bona fide businesses where selling players to the AFL would be the goal rather than the situation now where it is a bittersweet occasional occurance. Plus, in order to create a workable mechanism by which we could handle it we would have to give clubs some form of ownership over players in the form of signed contracts surely, and we know what direction we're going in there. The day we take payments for players like Mark O'Connor from Aussie Rules via kennelly or anyone else is the day I'll cancel my club membership and close the GAA door behind me for good. We don't want our clubs to turn into AFL nurseries. It's not the same as soccer and rugby players moving on- it's a different code! If a young lad wants a career as a professional footballer he won't get it in the GAA so he isn't to be blamed if he looks elsewhere.
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Post by Kingdomson on Oct 11, 2016 19:43:34 GMT
It will be a sad loss to Kerry football but we have to just move on. At the very least, I suspect Mark will get a rookie contract and who knows the options he already has? The young lad has clearly stated he really wants a professional career in the AFL and all we can do is wish him the very best. We knew this was coming for a while and when Mark chose to miss the Dingle v South Kerry county championship game due to his trip to Oz, it said it all about where his ambitions now lay. My gut feeling is he will thrive over there and his at the right age to go and develop. The very best of luck Mark O'Connor!
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Post by buck02 on Oct 11, 2016 21:20:11 GMT
If Mark had gotten game time for the seniors this summer I wonder would it have been a more difficult decision for him to make.
In the short term it makes winning the U21 championship a whole lot harder for Jack next Spring.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 11, 2016 21:45:45 GMT
If Mark had gotten game time for the seniors this summer I wonder would it have been a more difficult decision for him to make. In the short term it makes winning the U21 championship a whole lot harder for Jack next Spring. I have to say that the same thought occurred to me.
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Post by fitz on Oct 11, 2016 21:55:30 GMT
This is a short bit of a video of Mark in the 2015 final. I wish him all the best. Amazing skill in the air. Height, reach and timing. Can fielding actually be executed any better than that?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2016 8:08:10 GMT
Hopefully the Kerry setup are trying to hold onto him. Looks like he has not decided yet. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1011/823324-mark-oconnor/ Mark has the natural potential to become a phenomenal Kerry footballer and create his own mystic within the county. Probably a new element that should be added to the development squads and in the window post minor is career and personal development and maximising, sporting and career wise, the privilege that it is to be good enough to play for the Kerry senior team.
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Post by beantownfan on Oct 12, 2016 11:40:15 GMT
Hopefully the Kerry setup are trying to hold onto him. Looks like he has not decided yet. www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1011/823324-mark-oconnor/ Mark has the natural potential to become a phenomenal Kerry footballer and create his own mystic within the county. Probably a new element that should be added to the development squads and in the window post minor is career and personal development and maximising, sporting and career wise, the privilege that it is to be good enough to play for the Kerry senior team. I am sure Tadhg Kennelly has him well coached on what to be saying to the media.. Remember all those years that "Tadhg is leaving Australia to come back to play for Kerry".. Granted he did do it at the end of his career, but good old Tadhg was well able to manipulate the media for his own profit. It is a bit sickening now that he is profiting off our young players. I don't begrudge the young lads a chance to play Aussie Rules, but Kennelly's knowledge of the GAA and in particular Kerry GAA gives a bad taste!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 13:31:15 GMT
I agree with you kerrygold it is sickening but if Kennelly didn't do it somebody else would. Either way he was going . If he really wanted to stay he would have played with dingle this year. I think he wanted to go maybe for a new challenge. He's a big loss but I'm sure he thought about it for a while before making a decision .
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 12, 2016 13:50:03 GMT
Maybe not nacrocaigh, Kennelly is having a big impact in these situations and it will become a bigger problem for Kerry in the near future.
At the end of the day, players have to absolutely want to play senior football for Kerry or they don't. There is no middle ground.
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Post by seamus on Oct 12, 2016 14:23:30 GMT
As Marc OSe exits the stage with a bagful of medals, legend status among his own people and a chance to make a nice few quid in media work in the coming years you would have to wonder why the hell anyone would leave the Kerry team at the moment with the talent coming through. For what - a one in a thousand chance of making 100-200k per year for 4 to 5 years in a foreign land?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 15:17:07 GMT
I think you might have answered your own question. I think hes willing to take that chance. I think he's 19. He probably thinks if now he'll never do it. Plus it's all new experiences too. The Money the Lifestyle a different Country. He's willing to take the risk. If he stays there for two years and comes back he's still only 21. Time will tell in the end. In my opinion he is one of the best fielders I have ever seen. Darragh o'Se in his prime would be the closest. I think he would have made a difference this year for Kerry. Him and Maher would have been a good combination.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 20:26:35 GMT
Of course it is a gamble but the attraction of being a professional athlete is tough to beat. His other alternatives are what? Go to college, get a job in a bank. He may want more than that. Lots of people leave home for professional reasons and opportunity. Obviously I would prefer him to stay in Kerry but it feels a bit selfish on my behalf. Sent
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 13, 2016 5:58:21 GMT
It is such a shame after the great work being done with filling the pipeline of players only to leak the best to Oz.
Now I know this may sound daft but should they not have to pay the GAA? I would hate to think it would in anyway limit a players dream but like every story, there is two sides to it. Clifford and O'Connor are our future Mick O'Connels, Maurice Fitzs, Jack O'Sheas - look what happened Tommy, he and us, 3 Sams gone down the pan and GAA facilities made available to them hoors! Maybe this Sky deal is no help either and while I'd be the last person to confine the sport, we also have to be sensible. I fail to see how an ethnic game has mass appeal to non-ethnic Irish.
While on the subject I wonder does anyone really know why Tommy didn't slot back in. Ah maybe there are a variety of reasons, but I suppose if he didn't go in the first place none of this would have happened. Hopefully he will tell us in his own time as he is a decent lad.
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 13, 2016 7:29:32 GMT
It is such a shame after the great work being done with filling the pipeline of players only to leak the best to Oz. Now I know this may sound daft but should they not have to pay the GAA? I would hate to think it would in anyway limit a players dream but like every story, there is two sides to it. Clifford and O'Connor are our future Mick O'Connels, Maurice Fitzs, Jack O'Sheas - look what happened Tommy, he and us, 3 Sams gone down the pan and GAA facilities made available to them hoors! Maybe this Sky deal is no help either and while I'd be the last person to confine the sport, we also have to be sensible. I fail to see how an ethnic game has mass appeal to non-ethnic Irish. While on the subject I wonder does anyone really know why Tommy didn't slot back in. Ah maybe there are a variety of reasons, but I suppose if he didn't go in the first place none of this would have happened. Hopefully he will tell us in his own time as he is a decent lad. GAA players are not indentured servants and there is no contract tying them to the club/code so payment for the loss should never come in to it. I feel even taking an ex gratia payment would compromise the game. As for ethnic games - no game should be ethnic. If a player is good enough to play ethnicity, creed or political beliefs should play no part. The fact that Gaelic Football is predominantly played on the island of Ireland is an accident of history. Otherwise Soccer, Rugby and cricket could be seen as ethnically English which is nonsense nowadays.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 13, 2016 7:52:41 GMT
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 13, 2016 14:18:34 GMT
The very best of luck to Mark if he decides to grasp this opportunity - of course he will be missed both by club and county but he owes it to himself to be the best that he can be in whatever career he decides to pursue. The door will always be open for him to return should he decide the Oz adventure is not for him. My biggest wish for him is that he remains healthy and makes a full recovery from the injuries that have limited his playing time in the past 18 months. There have been many fine prospects over the years that have had great potential cut short by injury and citing Tommy Walsh going to Oz as a reason not to go is shortsighted. Cruciates, car accidents etc etc can happen anyplace anytime. Do what is in your heart and do it well....
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 13, 2016 17:12:25 GMT
It is such a shame after the great work being done with filling the pipeline of players only to leak the best to Oz. Now I know this may sound daft but should they not have to pay the GAA? I would hate to think it would in anyway limit a players dream but like every story, there is two sides to it. Clifford and O'Connor are our future Mick O'Connels, Maurice Fitzs, Jack O'Sheas - look what happened Tommy, he and us, 3 Sams gone down the pan and GAA facilities made available to them hoors! Maybe this Sky deal is no help either and while I'd be the last person to confine the sport, we also have to be sensible. I fail to see how an ethnic game has mass appeal to non-ethnic Irish. While on the subject I wonder does anyone really know why Tommy didn't slot back in. Ah maybe there are a variety of reasons, but I suppose if he didn't go in the first place none of this would have happened. Hopefully he will tell us in his own time as he is a decent lad. GAA players are not indentured servants and there is no contract tying them to the club/code so payment for the loss should never come in to it. I feel even taking an ex gratia payment would compromise the game. As for ethnic games - no game should be ethnic. If a player is good enough to play ethnicity, creed or political beliefs should play no part. The fact that Gaelic Football is predominantly played on the island of Ireland is an accident of history. Otherwise Soccer, Rugby and cricket could be seen as ethnically English which is nonsense nowadays. As I said it is a difficult one, in fact so much so that I agree wholeheartedly with everything you say, though I suspect the context mightn't be the same. My contention is based on how we avoid becoming a feeder for professional codes and losing our best. And yes Darren also played soccer in his youth though I don't know if he also played Gaa. No game is ethnic but the GAA is. Soccer, rugby and cricket were voluntarily globalised with imperialism and sure hurling came from Cornwall, though Cornish kin don't consider themselves English. And then St Paddy came from Wales! It's the pride of place thing, I suppose Munster Rugby is a close to home example and I 'd like to see Ultan Dillane don the red but sure wasn't he born in France and his dad is from The Ivory Coast with mom from Odorney, neither a rugby stronghold! Oh be jazus I dug a right wan here, now all I need is Tomaisin Crean to come to the rescue and look down on me covered in muck!
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Post by fitz on Oct 13, 2016 18:56:40 GMT
The man can run 3km in 9.56. He can reach thar in 2 seconds. That is savage clip, 16.35 5km time. His fielding in context looks better and volume of it than Darragh's given his age. He's been a winning Captain on the biggest stage, so character for such a young guy looks rock solid thus far. Add a bit more meat to him and he is some prospect marauding down the middle, which Darragh did in his pomp, in the style of David Clifford in minor final. Mind blowing potential with the luck of good health, and (selfishly) better decision making.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 13, 2016 20:57:27 GMT
The man can run 3km in 9.56. He can reach thar in 2 seconds. That is savage clip, 16.35 5km time. His fielding in context looks better and volume of it than Darragh's given his age. He's been a winning Captain on the biggest stage, so character for such a young guy looks rock solid thus far. Add a bit more meat to him and he is some prospect marauding down the middle, which Darragh did in his pomp, in the style of David Clifford in minor final. Mind blowing potential with the luck of good health, and (selfishly) better decision making. I'd imagine his footballing brain is his greatest attribute and how he sees the game evolving around him in real time. The best player from the last three minor teams by the proverbial country mile.
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Post by aranteorainn on Oct 18, 2016 12:53:57 GMT
Gone by latest reports.
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Post by Premier on Oct 18, 2016 12:55:44 GMT
Mark O'Connor confirms to Radio na Gaeltachta that he will joins Geelong. Sounds like he will be gone by the end of the year or thereabouts based on the interview
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Post by kerrysam11 on Oct 18, 2016 13:15:53 GMT
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Post by Kingdomson on Oct 18, 2016 13:26:34 GMT
Well finally the news today confirms what we already knew. Mark O'Connor moves on and good luck to him and Kerry football moves on.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 18, 2016 14:07:28 GMT
Well finally the news today confirms what we already knew. Mark O'Connor moves on and good luck to him and Kerry football moves on. Correct...although I was hoping he was only stringing them along.
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Post by rovingfullforward on Oct 18, 2016 14:09:24 GMT
Thanks Tadgh, now how about taking a break from poaching Kerry players and focus on the other counties for a bit.
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Post by royalkerryfan on Oct 18, 2016 17:18:16 GMT
Best of luck Mark on your move. Hope it works out for you.
As for Kennelly, didn't have great time for him after 2009 and even less now.
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Post by southward on Oct 18, 2016 18:15:47 GMT
Mark O'Connor confirms to Radio na Gaeltachta that he will joins Geelong. Sounds like he will be gone by the end of the year or thereabouts based on the interview Radio na Gaeltachta is doing serious damage to our prospects. Seems like every time a County player goes on it, he leaves the Kerry setup.
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