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Post by Mickmack on Jan 10, 2017 20:49:18 GMT
Let's be honest here. Mayo are a joke until they beat us. When they beat us fair they will have earned respect...until then... Mayo...lol Kerry have never beaten Down in the championship. Five-Nil to the Mourne men by my reckoning. The maths dont lie. Do you consider Down to be better than Kerry .... using the logic you are applying to Kerry and Mayo? There must be zero respect for Kerry above in Down. lol
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 10, 2017 22:57:03 GMT
Ya, you can just picture them all up in Down saying Kerry are useless until they beat us in the championship!
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 11, 2017 8:59:34 GMT
“Kerry, for me, are still, technically, the best kickers of the ball in the game,” Bohan said at the GAA’s Games Development Conference last weekend.
“As a result of that, they have stayed in touch at senior level when they haven’t produced the same numbers of footballers over the past decade as Dublin or Mayo. But because of their technical skills to kick the ball, they’ve stayed in the game."
wtf is Bohan on about here? Being the best kickers compensates for not being footballers?? Is it that he doesn't regard kicking, or technical skills, as integral to the game? Surely I'm not alone in seeing the irony here. I don’t think there is anything offensive to Kerry Football in what Bohan is saying. He is talking about numbers. Very few Kerry players have come through and established themselves in recent years. (That is why the 30’s vs 21’s debate is going on). Kerry have “stayed in touch” (still in top 2 or 3) because “technically they are still so good”. When he says Kerry haven’t produced the “same level of footballer” as Dublin he is talking about the other aspects of the game – physical strength, speed, workrate e.g. Flynn, Fenton. The Eoghan O’Gara story confirms what I have repeatedly said - this Dublin team’s skill level is nothing like what they would have you believe. We have everything we need to beat them if we pick the right team.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 11, 2017 9:42:41 GMT
“Kerry, for me, are still, technically, the best kickers of the ball in the game,” Bohan said at the GAA’s Games Development Conference last weekend.
“As a result of that, they have stayed in touch at senior level when they haven’t produced the same numbers of footballers over the past decade as Dublin or Mayo. But because of their technical skills to kick the ball, they’ve stayed in the game."
wtf is Bohan on about here? Being the best kickers compensates for not being footballers?? Is it that he doesn't regard kicking, or technical skills, as integral to the game? Surely I'm not alone in seeing the irony here. I don’t think there is anything offensive to Kerry Football in what Bohan is saying. He is talking about numbers. Very few Kerry players have come through and established themselves in recent years. (That is why the 30’s vs 21’s debate is going on). Kerry have “stayed in touch” (still in top 2 or 3) because “technically they are still so good”. When he says Kerry haven’t produced the “same level of footballer” as Dublin he is talking about the other aspects of the game – physical strength, speed, workrate e.g. Flynn, Fenton. The Eoghan O’Gara story confirms what I have repeatedly said - this Dublin team’s skill level is nothing like what they would have you believe. We have everything we need to beat them if we pick the right team. Exactly, the current Kerry team would have won another All-Ireland or two in other decades.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 11, 2017 10:09:54 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/donegal-trio-retire-from-inter-county-football-771865.htmlSince Donegal's last championship game, there has been the following changes to their squad. Christy Toye - retired Rory Kavanagh - retired David Walsh - retired Eamon McGee - retired Colm McFadden - retired Odhran MacNiallais - year out - going to the States Leo McLoone - fall out with Gallagher Anthony Thompson - taking some time out, may return later in the year That's a massive chunk of experienced/battle-hardened winners to lose in one fell swoop. I can see Donegal getting hit even harder as a redult of the fact that McGuinness did little/nothing in terms of giving younger guys a chance even in the league, never mind giving them championship game time. I think this story is very relevant for Kerry as both panels have had a lot of very experienced/elder statesmen around the place and a warning as to how the older lads in the squad retiring should be managed so that it doesn't all happen in one fell swoop. At the moment all the following are in the over 30 category, so the question is how to best manage the process to maximise Kerry's chances of winning Sam over the next few years. Aidan O'Mahony Kieran Donaghy Colm Cooper Bryan Sheehan Donnacha Walsh Darren O'Sullivan Brendan Kealy Anthony Maher Killian Young
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Post by glengael on Jan 11, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
Did the McHugh brother, Ryan was it, who left the panel some years ago ever return to it? Very testing times for Donegal alright.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 11, 2017 14:29:58 GMT
Did the McHugh brother, Ryan was it, who left the panel some years ago ever return to it? Very testing times for Donegal alright. Mark left in 2014 if I'm not mistaken and returned in 2015.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 11, 2017 15:36:06 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/donegal-trio-retire-from-inter-county-football-771865.htmlSince Donegal's last championship game, there has been the following changes to their squad. Christy Toye - retired Rory Kavanagh - retired David Walsh - retired Eamon McGee - retired Colm McFadden - retired Odhran MacNiallais - year out - going to the States Leo McLoone - fall out with Gallagher Anthony Thompson - taking some time out, may return later in the year That's a massive chunk of experienced/battle-hardened winners to lose in one fell swoop. I can see Donegal getting hit even harder as a redult of the fact that McGuinness did little/nothing in terms of giving younger guys a chance even in the league, never mind giving them championship game time. I think this story is very relevant for Kerry as both panels have had a lot of very experienced/elder statesmen around the place and a warning as to how the older lads in the squad retiring should be managed so that it doesn't all happen in one fell swoop. At the moment all the following are in the over 30 category, so the question is how to best manage the process to maximise Kerry's chances of winning Sam over the next few years. Aidan O'Mahony Kieran Donaghy Colm Cooper Bryan Sheehan Donnacha Walsh Darren O'Sullivan Brendan Kealy Anthony Maher Killian Young Good opportunity for Kerry to hit the ground running in Letterkenny.
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Post by thebluepanther on Jan 11, 2017 22:20:38 GMT
When he says Kerry haven’t produced the “same level of footballer” as Dublin he is talking about the other aspects of the game – physical strength, speed, workrate e.g. Flynn, Fenton. The Eoghan O’Gara story confirms what I have repeatedly said - this Dublin team’s skill level is nothing like what they would have you believe. We have everything we need to beat them if we pick the right team. Fenton is a step above just workrate.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 11, 2017 23:38:18 GMT
Fenton is a rolls royce of a footballer
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 12, 2017 12:03:47 GMT
Fenton is potentially the best midfield player we have seen since Jacko Shea.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 12, 2017 12:30:55 GMT
Phew, great relief to read that despite everything, Kerry still have the best footballers. Only 'the numbers', conditioning, strength, etc between them and winning 50 All-Is in a row.
It's certainly true that despite being in major transition Kerry Seniors have really kept in touch, so at their lowest ebb in 20 years they're still only a point or 2 behind the top team each year, and of course were the top team two years ago. They bridged a 13 point gap down to 2 between April and August.
Just a quick question, how long did Bohan train the Kerry teams?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2017 18:37:10 GMT
Dublin have more talent than Kerry right now and they play much better as a unit. Kerry have to bring in some youth to beat them and we need to change goalkeepers and bring in at least two new backs and a midfielder. We could do with another forward. Relying on some of the old heads won't cut it anymore. Dublin have class all over the field and when one or two players are not performing there is always another player to step up. As well as that they have the strongest squad in the country and that helps. Mayo Tyrone and Kerry will probably be the three closest to them again this year. I would say they need to find a midfielder in the League to play with Fenton. MacAuley is not the player he once was. That will be one issue for the league . Also I think Paul Flynn is not good enough to be a starter anymore but I think in Cormac Costello they have a ready replacement. McCaffrey will be a good bonus to get back also. Young Con O'Callaghan looks a good prospect too from the u21s. It's hard to see them not winning it again but I think they will need to find a midfielder this year.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 12, 2017 19:43:25 GMT
“Kerry, for me, are still, technically, the best kickers of the ball in the game,” Bohan said at the GAA’s Games Development Conference last weekend.
How the hell can he come out with a statement like that.
Dublin can consistently find their target from their own kickout. Kerry cannot. Dublin consistently outscore Kerry in points from play.
I cant recall any evidence of Dublin losing possession from kicking the ball any more than Kerry.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 12, 2017 20:36:32 GMT
Its just a bit of plamasing boys- don't be reading into it too much.
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Post by thebluepanther on Jan 14, 2017 11:28:57 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/donegal-trio-retire-from-inter-county-football-771865.htmlSince Donegal's last championship game, there has been the following changes to their squad. Christy Toye - retired Rory Kavanagh - retired David Walsh - retired Eamon McGee - retired Colm McFadden - retired Odhran MacNiallais - year out - going to the States Leo McLoone - fall out with Gallagher Anthony Thompson - taking some time out, may return later in the year That's a massive chunk of experienced/battle-hardened winners to lose in one fell swoop. I can see Donegal getting hit even harder as a redult of the fact that McGuinness did little/nothing in terms of giving younger guys a chance even in the league, never mind giving them championship game time. I think this story is very relevant for Kerry as both panels have had a lot of very experienced/elder statesmen around the place and a warning as to how the older lads in the squad retiring should be managed so that it doesn't all happen in one fell swoop. At the moment all the following are in the over 30 category, so the question is how to best manage the process to maximise Kerry's chances of winning Sam over the next few years. Aidan O'Mahony Kieran Donaghy Colm Cooper Bryan Sheehan Donnacha Walsh Darren O'Sullivan Brendan Kealy Anthony Maher Killian Young McGuinness trained those guys to the extreme to win the AllIreland a game plan that relied on huge amounts of energy., they then were trained into the ground to be ready for Dublin in 2014 and then had to face Kerry. Donegal had won nothing before McGuinness arrived his extreme ideas got results and thats all supporters want, and I'm sure none of the retiring players would swap their medals for anything , but now with Gallagher trying more hard training I'd say their bodies physically aren't able. Donegal could easily fall away again, but they are still in a much stronger place than they were before McGuinness arrived or at least the expectation now is higher and supporters demand will be. Kerry are totally different and although have players that are going a long time , I'd say a few still feel fresh and feel they can contribute. Kerry would be more in a position to rest guys . The problem for Fitzmaurice is he will really only know what these guys have in the legs when AllIreland quarter or semifinal comes around. By then it could be too late. Aidan o Mahony is an example. I watched him in a league game against Roscommon last year and I felt he was gone well past his best his man was turning him very easily , but yet against us in semifinal last year he was still full of running towards the end of the game. It probably would be better for Fitzmaurice if the decisions with the older lads were taken out of his hands .
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 14, 2017 12:16:58 GMT
Neither McGuinness's or Harte's high tempo game was sustainable over a number of years but was more of the smash and grab variety.
I'll take Kerry's organic approach to longevity any day over the other two, in particular Jack's preparation of his teams.
Kerry in transition hanging onto Dublin's coattails has more merit than is sometimes granted by general opinion and perceptions.
The coattail bearers can always trip.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 14, 2017 15:22:46 GMT
In bygone days cork usually kept Kerry down and out when kerry were in transition. Now cork are down too and so Dublin get the chance to put the foot on Kerry's throat
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 14, 2017 16:54:18 GMT
Speaking of Cork being down and out, Paddy Kelly didn't exactly go off quietly into the night.
I'd say Frank is spitting chips about the mentions of Blatter and Pat Hickey.
Also the stuff about the club consultation day and the anger is really going to annoy the county board lads.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 14, 2017 23:23:52 GMT
Makes for poor reading from a Kerry perspective of hoping to play in a competitive provincial championship.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 15, 2017 10:00:24 GMT
It's a funny aul thing but I don't think Dublin have been granted the honorary status of 'transition' since about 1982.....
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 15, 2017 23:04:40 GMT
would the Tommy Lyons years be "transition"
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 18, 2017 11:55:06 GMT
Breheny is at it again with the boys over the border his latest target ..... www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/martin-breheny-corks-2010-allireland-was-vastly-overrated-and-scapegoating-the-county-board-wont-change-that-35376216.htmlMartin Breheny: Cork's 2010 All-Ireland was vastly overrated - and scapegoating the county board won't change thatScapegoating board for team failures allows others to dodge responsibilityBack in 1980, Welsh wing-forward Paul Ringer became something of a pariah in rugby after being sent off by Irish referee Dave Burnett for a late tackle on English out-half John Horton in a Five Nations game (Italy weren't aboard then). Dismissals are quite common in rugby nowadays but, as Ringer's team-mate Graham Price recalled recently, it was different in the 1980s. "In those days, referees didn't tend to send players off, no matter what they did," he said. Ringer was the first player to be sent off in Twickenham for 55 years and, as well as drawing the disapproval of the stuffier wing of the rugby establishment, it made him unpopular among Welsh fans also as England won by a point. Responsible Shortly afterwards, Welsh comedian Max Boyce wrote a very witty song, which held Ringer responsible for everything from rampant inflation to bad weather to high unemployment figures. Boyce cleverly spotted that Ringer could be made into a scapegoat for just about anything and finished each verse with the refrain. 'Let Ringer take the blame, let Ringer take the blame . . .' I'm reminded of that when I hear or read anything about Cork GAA, in particular why their county teams aren't doing better, something that's coming under close scrutiny after some barren times. Analysis of Cork invariably slides towards administration, followed by the conclusion that the county board is responsible for the title drought. It's usually accompanied by talk of people being in power for too long, And while few are prepared to name names (why not if they have such conviction on the issue?), the obvious conclusion is that they are referring mainly to county secretary, Frank Murphy. He is the longest serving of all and, as a full-time official, carries a lot of influence. So when the discussion moves to 'people being in power for too long', you can take it that, in most instances, Murphy is the subject. Isn't it very convenient all the same to have a handy scapegoat, where length of service is the main basis for complaint? Doesn't it even smack of ageism? And where's the documented evidence to back it up? Here's the thing. Murphy and the rest of the county board remain answerable to the clubs, just as other administrations are around the country. If clubs anywhere are unhappy with county boards, they can take action. As for full- time officials, they have to carry out instructions given to them by the board. Therefore - whether in Cork or elsewhere - if clubs aren't satisfied with how a county is being run, they have the power to change it. That will, of course, will be portrayed as a naive assessment but it's no less true for that. Quite simply, ultimate power rests with the clubs and if they don't exercise it, the failing is theirs alone. The decline of Cork footballers and hurlers in recent years is being increasingly attributed to alleged failures by the county board. And since Páirc Uí Chaoimh is being redeveloped, the follow-on argument holds that too much attention is devoted to the building project at the expense of other activities. It's an easy claim but doesn't become necessarily true just because it's repeated often enough. The decline of Cork footballers, from a group who were supposed to be in the early stages of major empire-building as All-Ireland winners in 2010 to dropping into Division 2 and losing to Tipperary in the Munster Championship last year, has been used an example of how things have gone so seriously wrong on Leeside. The inference is that the board failed to provide the conditions for a major advance at a time when Cork football was riding high. Those who make that case are forgetting something: Cork 2010 was vastly overrated. That year's championship was surely the worst for years, where all four provincial champions were beaten in the All-Ireland quarter-finals, something that has not happened since. Cork won the final with a one-point win over Down, who were beaten by Wicklow in 2009 and who dipped quickly again after 2010. The notion that Cork's failure to build on 2010 is down solely to off-field circumstances might be convenient but where's the evidence? In truth, that squad was fortunate to win one All-Ireland. Scapegoating others won't change that.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 18, 2017 12:57:17 GMT
What a twot.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 18, 2017 16:10:05 GMT
If Cork had scraped a win the the 2009 final, breheny would have lauded them.
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Post by playitfair on Jan 18, 2017 17:21:04 GMT
Agreed, they were very good in 2009. Whoever is still standing deserves their all-ireland. Often, that is what it's all about. On reflection, in fact that's what it is ALWAYS about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 20:31:51 GMT
Zero time for breheny. Always the players fault.
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Post by leesider on Jan 19, 2017 16:39:10 GMT
He used to write for The Sunday Press in the late 80's, early '90's. Liam Hayes wrote for the same paper at the time. Cork were in the thick of a fierce and bitter rivalry with Meath at the time and both Hayes and Breheny made no attempt to disguise whose side they were on. Nothing either person says about Cork football can be taken seriously as a result.
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 19, 2017 17:04:52 GMT
Leesider, Why didn't or don't the Cork footballers use the magnificent facility in Mallow. Both the footballers and hurlers used to use it indeed the Munster rugby team used to train there. I think they were told to kick out the rugby boys but I can't understand why the Gaa don't use it. Must have been a falling out along the way. Painting a shed while Mallow is available is mind blowing. Just wondering.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 19, 2017 20:39:31 GMT
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