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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 26, 2016 1:33:25 GMT
What's even worse with Mayo is that players were dictating what physios to employ. I had one of these Mayo physios once and was told that 'pain wasn't injury', she refused to as much as lay a hand on me, instead showing me a few exercises that were printed from a web site. Though I had done myself a serious enough injury she insisted that my condition was akin to greying hair and I did see a poor elderly man crippled as she also refused to treat him properly. I eventually asked her if her mantra meant that she was in pain from Mayo losing and so she wasn't injured. In fairness I'd say she is fairly grey anyway and I eventually had to get proper treatment. 'Tis a terror how some have to carry others.
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 27, 2016 16:53:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2016 19:14:36 GMT
Mayo have a good side but they need to find 2 scoring forwards to them over the line. I'm sure they will try some of that u21 team in the league. If they don't find them then they will be in the same boat next year. Dublin will be favorites to do the 3 in a row but they have a couple of problems also. Flynn and MacAuley have gone back a lot and they will have to find a midfielder and a forward to replace them in my opinion. Cormac Costello and young Con O'Callaghan are fine young forwards and they should be given every chance in the league next year. Ciaran Kilkenny could be tried in midfield with Fenton. Flynn and MacAuley will be good to have on the bench but I don't think they are starters anymore. Dublin have a strong panel so I'm sure Gavin will be giving them all a chance in the league.
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Post by fitz on Dec 30, 2016 23:51:12 GMT
Evan Regan looked promising in the league, but could only see 1 minute of the two AI finals, when they badly needed someone to engineer a score. Agree they need two, Freeman, Doherty, Varley( gone from panel now I think) Conroy, all decent players, not good enough for winning Sam - Doherty in a few patches apart maybe. Maybe some of their 21s forwards, but with the winning of it, how come none could push to make some time in final.
Retrospectively and only mildly related, clown that he can be, I think if Conor Mortimer had been in the 2013 match day panel, he could have got them over the line. He cut his own throat of course two years earlier with his 'family issued retirement' announcement.
Only in Mayo.
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Post by keane on Dec 31, 2016 0:19:23 GMT
Doherty is a good enough player to be in an All Ireland winning half-forward line I think, at least when he's towards the top of his range. He can be kind of anonymous at times but I recall him playing very well in some big matches (although don't ask me to name them specifically please!)
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 31, 2016 9:34:34 GMT
Evan Regan looked promising in the league, but could only see 1 minute of the two AI finals, when they badly needed someone to engineer a score. Agree they need two, Freeman, Doherty, Varley( gone from panel now I think) Conroy, all decent players, not good enough for winning Sam - Doherty in a few patches apart maybe. Maybe some of their 21s forwards, but with the winning of it, how come none could push to make some time in final. Retrospectively and only mildly related, clown that he can be, I think if Conor Mortimer had been in the 2013 match day panel, he could have got them over the line. He cut his own throat of course two years earlier with his 'family issued retirement' announcement. Only in Mayo. They were very much playing a containing and counterattack system this year, with huge emphasis on keeping discipline, and structure in the defensive areas, plus relying alot on half-backs to get scores with forwards funnelled back.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 31, 2016 11:16:15 GMT
Evan Regan looked promising in the league, but could only see 1 minute of the two AI finals, when they badly needed someone to engineer a score. Agree they need two, Freeman, Doherty, Varley( gone from panel now I think) Conroy, all decent players, not good enough for winning Sam - Doherty in a few patches apart maybe. Maybe some of their 21s forwards, but with the winning of it, how come none could push to make some time in final. Retrospectively and only mildly related, clown that he can be, I think if Conor Mortimer had been in the 2013 match day panel, he could have got them over the line. He cut his own throat of course two years earlier with his 'family issued retirement' announcement. Only in Mayo. They were very much playing a containing and counterattack system this year, with huge emphasis on keeping discipline, and structure in the defensive areas, plus relying alot on half-backs to get scores with forwards funnelled back. Exactly. And they made Dublin look ordinary in the process.... which Kerry didnt do. Mayos game plan was about having scoring half backs.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Dec 31, 2016 18:26:59 GMT
They will build on it this year, like Dublin 2010-11, Donegal 2011-12, Kerry (in a different direction)2013-14. Mayo will add attacking diversity, whilst keeping the basics tight. It's been proven that such a structure brings the best out if a team's forwards, combination of a solid framework/safety net, everyone knows what they're doing, and everyone has to do the donkey work, which makes the team stronger overall.
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Post by thebluepanther on Jan 1, 2017 4:29:04 GMT
Happy new year to all, very good forum with good and interesting discussions. Some really interesting posters and although I don't comment on it (for obvious reasons)I like reading the club championship section . For a bit of spice Just looking at our recent games 2011 sticks out. We were in our first final since 1995 , Kerry had been in 8 of the previous ten. We hadnt won in a final against ye since 1976. I rewatched 2011 over the Christmas and compared it to 2009 meeting. I remember certain Dub guys being bullied in 2009. They didn't feature in 2011. For me 2011 was a game that understandably for Kerry will feel it was a game that got away because of Kev mc goal . But on closer examination it was an immergance of young guys for Dublin who weren't going to be bullied. Kerry could easily still have won and its amazing the space players were allowed then. I have since rewatched 2015 and 2016 they were titanic battles where expressive players did not get the space . But at the end of the day Dublin over came huge battles again Kerry and Mayo and to a slightly lesser degree (but can never be discounted) Donegal. Mick Mack and Rashers ye are both wrong. I don't believe its a given that Mayo are this team of the future. Mayo are better than Kerry as an attacking half back line yes, sure any genius would recognise that . As a team that could really hurt Dublin next year if 2 to 3 u 21s come through I'd worry about Kerry. Off course none has a crystal ball and it's like the last 4 to 5 years all to to play for. Kerry around March maybe I'm wrong , either way can't wait forthe league. Enjoy the new year.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Jan 1, 2017 22:03:00 GMT
Thanks for putting me straight on that Panter. But what exactly am I wrong about? And what's this "future great Mayo" of which you speak? I don't recall myself or MM making any reference or predictions/speculations in that regard other than to this year. Have a good one
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 1, 2017 22:23:49 GMT
I think Kerrys future is brighter than Mayos.
I think Kerry need to be better defensively and Mayo provide a good template. When I said that Kerry need to get to Mayos level, thats what was referring to. Kerry have more scoring threat than Mayo.
Panther... the QF v Armagh in 2010 was the birthl of the new era for Dublin in my opinion.
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Post by fitz on Jan 2, 2017 0:07:33 GMT
They were coming in 2010(was in Killarney see McMenamon's debut in league) and building further in 2011, but that final 7 minutes of that AI final, imo, was the Neil Armstrong moment, they achieved so much that day, broke many chains, everything exploded positively thereafter. Arguably a degree of overconfidence cost them both in 12 and 14(certainly) - combined with fine performances by the opposition of course.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 2, 2017 11:15:25 GMT
They were coming in 2010(was in Killarney see McMenamon's debut in league) and building further in 2011, but that final 7 minutes of that AI final, imo, was the Neil Armstrong moment, they achieved so much that day, broke many chains, everything exploded positively thereafter. Arguably a degree of overconfidence cost them both in 12 and 14(certainly) - combined with fine performances by the opposition of course. I think 2014 was what made this Dublin team great.
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Post by Dermot on Jan 3, 2017 14:38:54 GMT
My prediction for 2017 is that Tyrone will win the AI ..... I haven't felt this in a long time so I will get a few quid on them soon and see how it goes .. with fingers crossed and all that of course....
btw - hope everyone had a good & peaceful break..
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Post by playitfair on Jan 3, 2017 16:28:47 GMT
Doherty is a good enough player to be in an All Ireland winning half-forward line I think, at least when he's towards the top of his range. He can be kind of anonymous at times but I recall him playing very well in some big matches (although don't ask me to name them specifically please!) If memory serves me right, he was very good 1st day in the All-Ireland final
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Post by baurtregaum on Jan 6, 2017 21:15:49 GMT
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 7, 2017 2:46:12 GMT
I was surprised at how few championship appearances he has made.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jan 7, 2017 9:28:30 GMT
I was surprised at how few championship appearances he has made. Has had a load of injuries- a true gent though
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Post by fitz on Jan 8, 2017 15:03:05 GMT
They were coming in 2010(was in Killarney see McMenamon's debut in league) and building further in 2011, but that final 7 minutes of that AI final, imo, was the Neil Armstrong moment, they achieved so much that day, broke many chains, everything exploded positively thereafter. Arguably a degree of overconfidence cost them both in 12 and 14(certainly) - combined with fine performances by the opposition of course. I think 2014 was what made this Dublin team great. OR moreover was it what made their management great?
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Post by stevieq on Jan 8, 2017 18:37:55 GMT
WTF!!! Aidan O'Mahony on dancing with the stars. Winter training?
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 8, 2017 21:00:20 GMT
And he was brilliant, did very well. Someone should open a dancing thread for him and we should all vote for him. Keep him dancing for as long as possible........for the rest of the year maybe.
Anyway he was great.....came 2nd.... great moves.😀
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Post by jackiel on Jan 8, 2017 22:30:47 GMT
WTF!!! Aidan O'Mahony on dancing with the stars. Winter training? Makes me think the decision has already been made on his future, surely he should be flat out with pre-season training.
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Post by fitz on Jan 9, 2017 0:24:56 GMT
WTF!!! Aidan O'Mahony on dancing with the stars. Winter training? Makes me think the decision has already been made on his future, surely he should be flat out with pre-season training. Think it's been made too, he'll definitely be involved. He won't be doing any heavy pre-season, come in latter stages of league. Mentor player for Championship and if he can nail a place he will, if not will be a valuable sub. The dancing will keep hum fresh and on his toes, couldn't resist. He's in fighting shape most of the year. Fitzmaurice sees value in elder statesmen. Not everything has to be hungry 21s. Mahoney is an old dog with a ton of big game experience and whilst a temper risk, the younger lads will get loads from him. My take, anyway.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 9, 2017 1:10:09 GMT
Makes me think the decision has already been made on his future, surely he should be flat out with pre-season training. Think it's been made too, he'll definitely be involved. He won't be doing any heavy pre-season, come in latter stages of league. Mentor player for Championship and if he can nail a place he will, if not will be a valuable sub. The dancing will keep hum fresh and on his toes, couldn't resist. He's in fighting shape most of the year. Fitzmaurice sees value in elder statesmen. Not everything has to be hungry 21s. Mahoney is an old dog with a ton of big game experience and whilst a temper risk, the younger lads will get loads from him. My take, anyway. Crankier with age we get and yes, I think he has the emotional spirit to pass on, giving his shoes to an angel in '14, that's what you call class. Ballythefireside verse for the day -
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 9, 2017 10:10:52 GMT
Makes me think the decision has already been made on his future, surely he should be flat out with pre-season training. Think it's been made too, he'll definitely be involved. He won't be doing any heavy pre-season, come in latter stages of league. Mentor player for Championship and if he can nail a place he will, if not will be a valuable sub. The dancing will keep hum fresh and on his toes, couldn't resist. He's in fighting shape most of the year. Fitzmaurice sees value in elder statesmen. Not everything has to be hungry 21s. Mahoney is an old dog with a ton of big game experience and whilst a temper risk, the younger lads will get loads from him. My take, anyway. It is hard to see Aidan missing out on the the early season and still wanting to be in the panel. Interesting your comments on hungry 21s - this is part of what Ronan O'Gara said about Munster hammering Racing over the weekend. He was speaking as part of the coaching staff at Racing. “I was taken aback. I knew they’d be good but watching them up close they were really good. They have great detail in their game and one of the biggest things that struck me was athletes in their prime against guys in their 30’s.”
Racing fielded a XV with eight players aged 30 and over and they were no match, individually or collectively, for a Munster side with so many opponents operating at or near their prime and with all the motivation in the world to carry them.
All in all, it’s been a painful season for the French champs.
“Definitely,” said the Racing assistant coach who spoke of the need for a full overhaul. “Subconsciously, hunger levels wouldn’t be as high as they need to be and that’s something that really champion teams do. But we haven’t done that".
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Post by glengael on Jan 10, 2017 10:10:51 GMT
Any thoughts on the Club Players Association that was launched yesterday? Will the Powers that Be in Croke Park be happy to have 2 player organisations at the table?
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Post by kerryforliam on Jan 10, 2017 12:52:29 GMT
WTF!!! Aidan O'Mahony on dancing with the stars. Winter training? I'd say Aidan will surely call it a day, has been a serious servant throughout the years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 16:49:08 GMT
I agree I think it's time for O'Mahony. Donaghy, Sheehan and Donnacha Walsh should follow him. That would leave room for at 4 new faces which we badly need. I just can't see the four of them maybe Kerry better this year if they stay on. We are probably going to end up playing Dublin or Mayo again this year and I can only see defeat again with them in there. You have young fellas now waiting for their chance and it's time to give them that chance. Would any of them make the Mayo or Dublin team ? In my opinion no. Would be lucky to make their panels.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 10, 2017 17:18:11 GMT
Interesting opinion from Mick Bohan. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/mick-bohan-kicking-ability-has-kept-kerry-competitive-438444.htmlMick Bohan: Kicking ability has kept Kerry competitiveDublin’s 2013 All-Ireland winning skills coach Mick Bohan has described Kerry as the “best kickers” in the game and believes their proficiency in this department has enabled them to keep in touch with Dublin and Mayo. Bohan, who coached the Clare footballers in 2016 and is taking charge of the Dublin ladies for the 2017 season, says the ease at which Kerry put boot to ball has allowed Éamonn Fitzmaurice’s charges compete with Dublin even though the Kingdom haven’t produced the same level of footballers as the reigning All-Ireland champions during the past decade. “Kerry, for me, are still, technically, the best kickers of the ball in the game,” Bohan said at the GAA’s Games Development Conference last weekend. “As a result of that, they have stayed in touch at senior level when they haven’t produced the same numbers of footballers over the past decade as Dublin or Mayo. But because of their technical skills to kick the ball, they’ve stayed in the game. “I know Kerry’s revolution at minor is on the way, but at this point in time, that is why they are where they are. “The reason they are staying in touch with the likes of Dublin is because technically they are still so good.” Bohan is concerned that less and less focus is being placed on the basic skills of the game and pointed to Eoghan O’Gara as the perfect example of Dublin’s prioritising of a games-based approach to their training. “Eoghan O’Gara came into DCU and he had one foot. His mother told me at the function after winning the 2013 All-Ireland that it was the first year where she had gone to watch her son and he hadn’t been abused by Dublin supporters because of his weak skill-sets. If you remember his impact on the 2013 All-Ireland final, not that one player ever wins a game, but I don’t think Dublin would have been successful without his introduction that day.” He continued: “We had a former strength and conditioning coach involved with Dublin who subsequently got involved with another county. When he introduced more or less the same program [with that county], he was told by the manager that there is no way Dublin are winning All-Irelands doing that little amount of running. What he didn’t see was the amount of games-based drills involved with the training. “That attitude still exists, to a degree, that we must flog players and if we don’t then we are not succeeding.” Former Cavan footballer Nicholas Walsh, who’s currently working as backline coach for AFL outfit Greater Western Sydney Giants, says the workload forced upon inter-county teams is “ludicrous”. He’s heard rumour of Jiu Jitsu being incorporated into training schedules and cannot see the logic in working amateur players six days a week. “I’m lucky to be working in a professional organisation where I’ve players from 7.30am to 4.30pm every day. Basically, we can fit in education sessions and we can fit in reviews, weights sessions, pilates and all that. “Stripping back to what we have here in the GAA world, we have to be efficient with our time. The game is the most important thing. Without the game, you won’t have anything. Games-based activities should be the number one priority and then everything else should fit around that. “I’ve heard of teams doing Jiu Jitsu, all of this stuff outside the game. It is ludicrous. Players need time off. Looking back on people I knew during my career, a lot of us did the wrong things at the wrong time.”
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Post by southward on Jan 10, 2017 19:32:17 GMT
“Kerry, for me, are still, technically, the best kickers of the ball in the game,” Bohan said at the GAA’s Games Development Conference last weekend.
“As a result of that, they have stayed in touch at senior level when they haven’t produced the same numbers of footballers over the past decade as Dublin or Mayo. But because of their technical skills to kick the ball, they’ve stayed in the game."
wtf is Bohan on about here? Being the best kickers compensates for not being footballers?? Is it that he doesn't regard kicking, or technical skills, as integral to the game? Surely I'm not alone in seeing the irony here.
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