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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 13:52:29 GMT
In fairness I say he gets a lot of positive feedback about his performance that day. He only has to step outside his front door.....
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Post by falveyb2k on Dec 8, 2016 18:20:08 GMT
It'll never change. I think Joe McQuilan got ref of the year in 2011 and officiated on all star trips, international rules and even got an all ireand final again two years after(which he made another hames of). If you reward refs for incompetence there's no incentive to improve.
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 9, 2016 10:27:02 GMT
Declan O'Keeffe has joined Roscommon as their goalkeeping coach and Tomás Ó Sé will be part of Billy Morgan's backroom team at UCC.
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Post by delorean on Dec 13, 2016 12:05:07 GMT
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Post by Dermot on Dec 13, 2016 13:26:34 GMT
No bigger hypocrite in the gaa than mickey Harte lol ... please elaborate ? BTW - He's done all he can to help this fella .. God knows where he'd be now if it wasn't for Harte..
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Post by fitz on Dec 13, 2016 23:45:41 GMT
When Brolly criticises Kerry or a Kerry player in the Indo or Sunday game there is usually blue murder here. When he writes an article or says something then that people agree with the article is posted up and he gets claps on the back from the same people who have previously put a kind of Kerry fatwa on him! I find it funny. We're well adjusted in our unapologetic bias.
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Post by fitz on Dec 14, 2016 0:00:29 GMT
No bigger hypocrite in the gaa than mickey Harte lol ... please elaborate ? BTW - He's done all he can to help this fella .. God knows where he'd be now if it wasn't for Harte.. Jaysis, listened to that Podcast now. The comparison Ger makes with his sugar and wine "character defects" v about a dozen brawls with McCarron was well spun. The brazen hypocrisy between writing about the incident with the girl in the book and not speaking on it when pressed will do for closing. The leopard lives on...
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Post by Dermot on Dec 14, 2016 11:46:06 GMT
I havent listened to it .. no intention of doing so either .... Was M Harte in this interview? ... I was trying to decipher why M Harte is being called a hypocrite in relation to this?
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 14, 2016 19:59:16 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 19, 2016 10:05:03 GMT
Seems to have been a wild weekend in the west in the gun slinging stakes. You be wondering who is the dog and who is the tail now in the new set up? and is the goal keeping call from the replayed final to be seen in a new light? Mind boggling stuff from the Mayo set up. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 19, 2016 17:41:45 GMT
Seems to have been a wild weekend in the west in the gun slinging stakes. You be wondering who is the dog and who is the tail now in the new set up? and is the goal keeping call from the replayed final to be seen in a new light? Mind boggling stuff from the Mayo set up. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/I think a certain family have too much say in things . Rochford very much undermined by all this.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 19, 2016 18:27:01 GMT
Seems to have been a wild weekend in the west in the gun slinging stakes. You be wondering who is the dog and who is the tail now in the new set up? and is the goal keeping call from the replayed final to be seen in a new light? Mind boggling stuff from the Mayo set up. www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/I think a certain family have too much say in things . Rochford very much undermined by all this. Serious ruffling of feathers by Holmes and Connelly with this. In time they might be shown to have been the most vital cog in getting Mayo over the line with this blood letting. However, the suspicion remains, that this group of Mayo players are simply just not good enough to close out an All-Ireland final. Not enough upfront on the inside line for starters.
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 19, 2016 21:39:42 GMT
I think a certain family have too much say in things . Rochford very much undermined by all this. Serious ruffling of feathers by Holmes and Connelly with this. In time they might be shown to have been the most vital cog in getting Mayo over the line with this blood letting. However, the suspicion remains, that this group of Mayo players are simply just not good enough to close out an All-Ireland final. Not enough upfront on the inside line for starters. This is probably Mayos best team of the last 30 years or more. Some really good footballers and a great half back line ,but unfortunetly a few prima Donna's who seem to think that they are untouchable and feel the need to throw their weight around, When the lunatics are allowed take over the asylum it will always end in tears. I think some Mayo players have to look at themselves and accept they are part of the reason Mayo haven't got over the line in so many close battles. Until then , they won't win anything.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 19, 2016 22:28:08 GMT
Serious ruffling of feathers by Holmes and Connelly with this. In time they might be shown to have been the most vital cog in getting Mayo over the line with this blood letting. However, the suspicion remains, that this group of Mayo players are simply just not good enough to close out an All-Ireland final. Not enough upfront on the inside line for starters. This is probably Mayos best team of the last 30 years or more. Some really good footballers and a great half back line ,but unfortunetly a few prima Donna's who seem to think that they are untouchable and feel the need to throw their weight around, When the lunatics are allowed take over the asylum it will always end in tears. I think some Mayo players have to look at themselves and accept they are part of the reason Mayo haven't got over the line in so many close battles. Until then , they won't win anything. It will be interesting to watch the reaction to this development unfolding and how the players respond.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 19, 2016 23:14:46 GMT
Serious ruffling of feathers by Holmes and Connelly with this. In time they might be shown to have been the most vital cog in getting Mayo over the line with this blood letting. However, the suspicion remains, that this group of Mayo players are simply just not good enough to close out an All-Ireland final. Not enough upfront on the inside line for starters. This is probably Mayos best team of the last 30 years or more. Some really good footballers and a great half back line ,but unfortunetly a few prima Donna's who seem to think that they are untouchable and feel the need to throw their weight around, When the lunatics are allowed take over the asylum it will always end in tears. I think some Mayo players have to look at themselves and accept they are part of the reason Mayo haven't got over the line in so many close battles. Until then , they won't win anything. so if the ref had given that tap over free to Mayo at the end of the drawn game for the clean pick up off the ground by Bastick (for identical situations think back to the end of the 2011 and 1995 finals), would Mayo still be regarded as having prima donnas requiring looking glasses?
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Post by peanuts on Dec 19, 2016 23:22:19 GMT
Serious ruffling of feathers by Holmes and Connelly with this. In time they might be shown to have been the most vital cog in getting Mayo over the line with this blood letting. However, the suspicion remains, that this group of Mayo players are simply just not good enough to close out an All-Ireland final. Not enough upfront on the inside line for starters. This is probably Mayos best team of the last 30 years or more. Some really good footballers and a great half back line ,but unfortunetly a few prima Donna's who seem to think that they are untouchable and feel the need to throw their weight around, When the lunatics are allowed take over the asylum it will always end in tears. I think some Mayo players have to look at themselves and accept they are part of the reason Mayo haven't got over the line in so many close battles. Until then , they won't win anything. The 2 boys haven't come out looking too good either. Rightly roasted on off the ball this evening especially the statement that they were doing it for the 'good of Mayo football'.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 20, 2016 0:43:39 GMT
What strikes me is that the current champs squad are deemed the best Dublin team ever, so if Mayo copped on they would probably have won those close encounters.
The hallmark of culture that I recall was Kilkenny trailing Galway at HT in the '15 AI Hurling final, Cody stayed out of the dressing room initially, then they told him what they thought and apparently it was more or less what he was thinking.
There was also an instance in another game where Shefflin looked to Cody for guidance when a game hinged on what Henry did with a free, i.e. take the point or go for a goal, Cody shrugged his shoulders as if to tell him to use his own judgement, he did and it all worked out.
The symptoms of Mayo would be known as 'individualistic tendencies' and would be one of the main reasons why otherwise talented people don't make it in business, quiet simply they are not team players and Mayo need to get to grips with that. Every sport is now a team, riding a horse is a partnership with a horse and that is some challenge, even a boxer would have a team around them.
The thing is that 'individualistic tendency' spreads like wildfire and is hard to eradicate, if you get you way then I'll get mine and so the overall team suffers. We are in an era of tight margins and Mayo players are not getting any younger so it's their call -can anyone take them by the scruff of the neck and knock sense into them?
I would have often said to folk within the county that we have things that others wouldn't even understand. Mick O'Dwyer took the hatchet to fellas passing the ball to their friends, and he also scorched a lot of other bad practices, like post training refreshments in Kate Kearneys Cottage on a sunny Sunday afternoon. These standards are now a given and subsequent managers raise the bar as competition intensifies.
Ballythefireside quotes of the day
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 20, 2016 8:38:52 GMT
This is probably Mayos best team of the last 30 years or more. Some really good footballers and a great half back line ,but unfortunetly a few prima Donna's who seem to think that they are untouchable and feel the need to throw their weight around, When the lunatics are allowed take over the asylum it will always end in tears. I think some Mayo players have to look at themselves and accept they are part of the reason Mayo haven't got over the line in so many close battles. Until then , they won't win anything. so if the ref had given that tap over free to Mayo at the end of the drawn game for the clean pick up off the ground by Bastick (for identical situations think back to the end of the 2011 and 1995 finals), would Mayo still be regarded as having prima donnas requiring looking glasses? Mickmack refs decisions don't justify how they acted and to try and use one referee amongst a host of contentious ones is lame . There are many other instances where as a Dub i could feel agrieved in many big games over the years. But every county that loses a close game will focus on the decisions that went against them. People reference how close Mayo and Kerry can get to Dublin and then question what does this say about Dublin being regarded as the best Dublin team ever . A Dublin team no where near as good as this curent Dubl8n side drew with yourselves and Tyrone in the noughties. Yet these two teams are regarded as two of the best. Mayo now , like us in the noughties just aren't good enough. Mayo are closer now than we were in noughties . But we weren't far away and a change in attitude was needed by us , we got it under Gilroy and yes we needed ladyluck also to get over the line, as does a lot of top teams . But we grasped it . It's no coincidence that after every Mayo loss , come the caveat "if only this had of happened we would of won"
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 20, 2016 10:01:19 GMT
The evidence suggests that dublins relatively short famines between between 1983 and 1995 and 1996 and 2010 were ended by the sort of sympathic decisions by refs that only the dubs get so when I read dubs opining about Mayos failings I feel like reaching for the sick bag but everyone has their own take on it. Mayo in 2016 were at least as good if not better than Dublin in 2011...I would suggest mayo were better...more adventurous anyway.
Dublin have a super team now in my view ...no taking anything away from them
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 20, 2016 12:17:51 GMT
The evidence suggests that dublins relatively short famines between between 1983 and 1995 and 1996 and 2010 were ended by the sort of sympathic decisions by refs that only the dubs get so when I read dubs opining about Mayos failings I feel like reaching for the sick bag but everyone has their own take on it. Mayo in 2016 were at least as good if not better than Dublin in 2011...I would suggest mayo were better...more adventurous anyway. Dublin have a super team now in my view ...no taking anything away from them None so blind as those that can't see. Leave it at that.
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 20, 2016 12:22:46 GMT
This is probably Mayos best team of the last 30 years or more. Some really good footballers and a great half back line ,but unfortunetly a few prima Donna's who seem to think that they are untouchable and feel the need to throw their weight around, When the lunatics are allowed take over the asylum it will always end in tears. I think some Mayo players have to look at themselves and accept they are part of the reason Mayo haven't got over the line in so many close battles. Until then , they won't win anything. The 2 boys haven't come out looking too good either. Rightly roasted on off the ball this evening especially the statement that they were doing it for the 'good of Mayo football'. Don't think it will do either side any good. Holmes and Connolly will probably be blamed now if Mayo fail next year , especially for for ruining Christmas for Aido and the boys. 😊
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Post by buck02 on Dec 20, 2016 12:52:53 GMT
Off the Ball have a vested interest in this though so they are not exactly impartial.
James Horan is one of their main GAA analysts and Aidan O Shea has been interviewed a number of times. Ger Gilroy was at his most annoying (and thats saying something) when it was discussed on Saturday.
If Holmes and Connelly wanted to clear up a few things they were well within their rights to. By threatening strike action last October, citing the 'fallen standards', the obvious implications is that Holmes and Connolly are not good enough for inter-county management. Surely they had a right of reply to that?
I also hear that Aidan O Shea is spending the winter playing basketball (and on twitter). He would have been a lot better off concentrating on ironing out the many flaws in his game this winter, unless he is happy with dominating games against the likes of Sligo, Fermanagh and Cork for the rest of his career.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 20, 2016 14:46:49 GMT
The 2 boys haven't come out looking too good either. Rightly roasted on off the ball this evening especially the statement that they were doing it for the 'good of Mayo football'. Don't think it will do either side any good. Holmes and Connolly will probably be blamed now if Mayo fail next year , especially for for ruining Christmas for Aido and the boys. 😊 If Mayo had ironed out these basic flaws they would have probably beaten us all as the big games they lost were by a single score, and that would have included the best all time Dublin team. What do you think?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Dec 20, 2016 15:36:52 GMT
Off the Ball have a vested interest in this though so they are not exactly impartial. James Horan is one of their main GAA analysts and Aidan O Shea has been interviewed a number of times. Ger Gilroy was at his most annoying (and thats saying something) when it was discussed on Saturday. If Holmes and Connelly wanted to clear up a few things they were well within their rights to. By threatening strike action last October, citing the 'fallen standards', the obvious implications is that Holmes and Connolly are not good enough for inter-county management. Surely they had a right of reply to that? I also hear that Aidan O Shea is spending the winter playing basketball (and on twitter). He would have been a lot better off concentrating on ironing out the many flaws in his game this winter, unless he is happy with dominating games against the likes of Sligo, Fermanagh and Cork for the rest of his career. Very well said and I cant but agree with all the above. The same goes for Second Captains where Murph was making an impassioned defence of his mates on the Mayo team- I guess as GAA "pundits" it is important to maintain an in to what has become the most closed off sport in the country(everything is on lockdown). Thankfully the 2 other lads on Second Captains started to call up Murph on it a bit and to be honest they are the real journalists on the show
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 20, 2016 15:38:32 GMT
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Post by peanuts on Dec 20, 2016 22:40:27 GMT
Off the Ball have a vested interest in this though so they are not exactly impartial. James Horan is one of their main GAA analysts and Aidan O Shea has been interviewed a number of times. Ger Gilroy was at his most annoying (and thats saying something) when it was discussed on Saturday. If Holmes and Connelly wanted to clear up a few things they were well within their rights to. By threatening strike action last October, citing the 'fallen standards', the obvious implications is that Holmes and Connolly are not good enough for inter-county management. Surely they had a right of reply to that? I also hear that Aidan O Shea is spending the winter playing basketball (and on twitter). He would have been a lot better off concentrating on ironing out the many flaws in his game this winter, unless he is happy with dominating games against the likes of Sligo, Fermanagh and Cork for the rest of his career. Holmes and Connolly had a right of reply of course but to try to dress it up as being in the best interest of Mayo is disingenuous at best. I find it funny too how they accuse the players of not taking responsibility for the losses and blaming others and then they do the exact same thing themselves. As for the comment about Aidan O'Shea, hasn't playing basketball been credited with making Donaghy and others much better players.
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Post by Premier on Dec 21, 2016 7:20:00 GMT
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Post by thebluepanther on Dec 21, 2016 8:44:31 GMT
I think Holmes and Connolly have being waiting for their chance and the right timing. This was two people who have been biting their lip for over 14 months , they were held in very high regard it Gaelic circles and then it all came crashing down, (on the face of it )after being treated very poorly and after having their character questioned. The goal keeper episode in the replayed final this year had to have put a wry smile on their face .They would of thought he we go again one year later and nothing has changed. Players still wanting to pick the team. This interview id say was done for the good of their reputation first, to let people know that some players were intefering second, I'd say the good of Mayo football was down the list . It was payback time to a degree and if your honest what would you have done.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 21, 2016 9:55:44 GMT
Whatever the motive it cant now be ignored by the players. Its just ramps up the spotlight on them.
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Post by glengael on Dec 21, 2016 10:19:53 GMT
I must read the original article before commenting. Having only read the follow up,I would like to get the gist of what they were saying.
I was watching a documentary on RTE last night on the Gate Theatre's tour of Ireland with the Beckett play " Waiting for Godot". They did 40 venues all over the country. The actors commented that the least reactive and engaged audience was in ................................Castlebar.
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