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Post by glengael on Oct 12, 2016 14:53:35 GMT
I watched with some interest most of the documentary presented by Henry Shefflin on Winning the other night.
Did they mention any research on what happens with teams when they lose after a long winning run ? Like Kilkenny in 2016 or Kerry in 1982?
I understand that the brain reacts to success by developing more receptors for testosterone and this in turn leads to it being more attuned to success. But is there a point at which it reaches a plateau and more testostrone just leads to a feelings of invincibility and which invariably lead to complacency and defeat? Maybe this was covered I'm not sure.
I could entirely emphatise with the Tipp and Limerick fans who were monitored. Imagine what the results for Mayo supporters would have been like............
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Post by buck02 on Oct 13, 2016 18:24:23 GMT
Brilliant statement fron Nigel Dineen who pulled out of the race to be Roscommon manager.
"I wish to withdraw my nomination for the position of the Roscommon Senior Football Manager, a position I applied for with the best intentions, highest ambitions and in the utmost good faith. "While I have gathered what I consider to be one of the best management teams that the County has ever seen, which includes four former County Roscommon players, of the highest calibre, who know what it’s like to wear the jersey and all share the same passion for Roscommon football as I do, I do not consider that this is the appropriate time to proceed on this journey.
"I have strong reservations about the integrity of the selection and recruitment process and I have raised these concerns directly with the County Board who refused to address them. "I would have no issue whatsoever with taking on any manager in the Country with my expert management team, in a fair, open and transparent recruitment process, but if the playing-field is not level during the process itself what hope is there for a fair/successful outcome.
"I understand that the County Boards’ hands may be tied, in some respects, with regard to the legacy of the previous management structure. This is what it is. "It appears that similar influences are at play behind the scenes in Roscommon County football, which were clearly prevalent at the time of the demise of the previous O’Donnell/McStay joint management structure.
"This is unfortunate and extremely damaging. "However, what is important now is that a manager be put in place as expeditiously as possible in the best interests of Roscommon football.
"I would like to wish the County Board, the incumbent management team and very especially the players every good wish and success in the coming season. "I would also like to thank the Clubs and the people of Roscommon for their kind words and support.
"Last but not least, I wish to thank my loyal management team for their time, support and for their faith in my Leadership."
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 13, 2016 21:57:24 GMT
Both Cavan and Roscommon (when McHale is re-appointed) have taken almost 3 months since they went out of the championship to confirm their managers. For two sides who will likely be struggling to stay in Division 1 next year that's a massive self-inflicted handicap.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 15, 2016 20:06:24 GMT
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Post by delorean on Oct 16, 2016 17:26:24 GMT
I love his attitude. We could seriously do with that sort of mentality leading the way in Cork at the moment.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 16, 2016 22:18:50 GMT
The sad death of Anthony Foley today reminded of an article i read some months ago about the pressures of professional sport. It was shortly after Munster got knocked out of the Heineken Cup. He said;
"It's about results. I have said it before and I am clear on it, if I don't feel I can get results there is no point in being here.
"I have been brought up through here. I have been here a long time, come through the schools and everything. It's about winning. It's not about people. It's about getting results.
"It doesn't matter, sport has no memory, no conscience. It doesn't care. You have got to be able to do a job and make sure you get results."
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 17, 2016 23:48:48 GMT
The sad death of Anthony Foley today reminded of an article i read some months ago about the pressures of professional sport. It was shortly after Munster got knocked out of the Heineken Cup. He said; "It's about results. I have said it before and I am clear on it, if I don't feel I can get results there is no point in being here. "I have been brought up through here. I have been here a long time, come through the schools and everything. It's about winning. It's not about people. It's about getting results. "It doesn't matter, sport has no memory, no conscience. It doesn't care. You have got to be able to do a job and make sure you get results." Wonder when we will see Spewan Mcbitterkenna talk about that sort of opinion? Wont hold my breath for the King of Selectiveland
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 18, 2016 4:05:12 GMT
I watched with some interest most of the documentary presented by Henry Shefflin on Winning the other night. Did they mention any research on what happens with teams when they lose after a long winning run ? Like Kilkenny in 2016 or Kerry in 1982? I understand that the brain reacts to success by developing more receptors for testosterone and this in turn leads to it being more attuned to success. But is there a point at which it reaches a plateau and more testostrone just leads to a feelings of invincibility and which invariably lead to complacency and defeat? Maybe this was covered I'm not sure. I could entirely emphatise with the Tipp and Limerick fans who were monitored. Imagine what the results for Mayo supporters would have been like............ Mayo on richter scale. I often think the people are ahead of their politicians in their thinking, well they'd want to be. In contrast I think Mayo players are ahead of their supporters, well the older wans anyway although there are some sporting gems among them.
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Post by southward on Oct 24, 2016 18:40:03 GMT
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Post by leesider on Oct 24, 2016 19:27:32 GMT
No surprise really. He wasn't included in the squad for the last championship game Cork played in 2016 (when we lost to Donegal in Croker) and he's been in and out of the team for the last few years. I believe he is getting married next month so that was a factor too I suppose. Thanks to him for everything he gave to Cork football. One All-Ireland is probably not a great return for a player of his calibre but there's a lot better players out there retired with no All-Ireland. Thank you Daniel and best of luck with your club for the rest of your career.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 25, 2016 14:24:39 GMT
No surprise really. He wasn't included in the squad for the last championship game Cork played in 2016 (when we lost to Donegal in Croker) and he's been in and out of the team for the last few years. I believe he is getting married next month so that was a factor too I suppose. Thanks to him for everything he gave to Cork football. One All-Ireland is probably not a great return for a player of his calibre but there's a lot better players out there retired with no All-Ireland. Thank you Daniel and best of luck with your club for the rest of your career. Classy footballer and usually deadly accurate. Sad to read his thoughts on modern football.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 16:33:49 GMT
No doubt he was a good player. He had great ability . I don't think he totally fulfilled it. Kind of got the run around the last couple of years. He was better than some of the Cork forwards picked ahead of him.
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Post by ruralgaa on Oct 25, 2016 16:54:02 GMT
No surprise really. He wasn't included in the squad for the last championship game Cork played in 2016 (when we lost to Donegal in Croker) and he's been in and out of the team for the last few years. I believe he is getting married next month so that was a factor too I suppose. Thanks to him for everything he gave to Cork football. One All-Ireland is probably not a great return for a player of his calibre but there's a lot better players out there retired with no All-Ireland. Thank you Daniel and best of luck with your club for the rest of your career. Classy footballer and usually deadly accurate. Sad to read his thoughts on modern football. This
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 25, 2016 23:24:39 GMT
No surprise really. He wasn't included in the squad for the last championship game Cork played in 2016 (when we lost to Donegal in Croker) and he's been in and out of the team for the last few years. I believe he is getting married next month so that was a factor too I suppose. Thanks to him for everything he gave to Cork football. One All-Ireland is probably not a great return for a player of his calibre but there's a lot better players out there retired with no All-Ireland. Thank you Daniel and best of luck with your club for the rest of your career. Classy footballer and usually deadly accurate. Sad to read his thoughts on modern football. What were they? I only saw one vague comment about the role of the corner forward.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 26, 2016 8:09:03 GMT
Classy footballer and usually deadly accurate. Sad to read his thoughts on modern football. What were they? I only saw one vague comment about the role of the corner forward. Well his comments about not enjoying it anymore struck me, and there's no getting away from the fact that the role of the traditional corner forward has changed drastically. “The demands of the intercounty game are massive and I’m not getting as much enjoyment out of it now as I did before. “Over the last few years, the role of a forward has changed a lot. “I was best suited to a corner-forward position and that role got more difficult to play in over the years. That was frustrating at times. “If you’re not enjoying it and if you’re not 100% up for the challenge of putting it in for the full season, you’re better off not being there.”
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Post by southward on Oct 26, 2016 8:19:12 GMT
No doubt he was a good player. He had great ability . I don't think he totally fulfilled it. Kind of got the run around the last couple of years. He was better than some of the Cork forwards picked ahead of him. True. Always struck me as a bit too laid back for the modern game. Not a man for all this chasing around and back. A bit like Colm O'Neill, maybe. Fine player though. Good luck to him.
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Post by delorean on Oct 26, 2016 10:12:23 GMT
Class act on his day but the harsh reality is that he's done little of note since that All Ireland final in 2010. Injuries, the modern game and his own playing style saw to this which is a shame, but at least he got his day in the sun. His placed kicking on the day was exceptional and included three high pressure 45's in the second half if memory serves. He was only 24 at the time so amazing to think his best years were behind him.
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Post by seamus on Oct 26, 2016 10:23:17 GMT
I believe some of the Cork forwards of the 00's were handicapped in terms of national acclaim by coming up 2-3 times a year against some of the best man markers the game has ever seen in Marc OSe, Tom Sullivan, Mike McCarthy and Seamus Moynihan. Kerry had the match ups down to a tee and Goulding rarely had a big day against Tom Sullivan who dealt with him and James Masters with ease. I rated Donncha O'Connor highly but again Marc generally held him well. The same Cork forwards regularly made hay against other top tier teams. You could also argue that weak Cork managers rarely developed a style of play to suit natural forwards.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 26, 2016 10:44:26 GMT
I believe some of the Cork forwards of the 00's were handicapped in terms of national acclaim by coming up 2-3 times a year against some of the best man markers the game has ever seen in Marc OSe, Tom Sullivan, Mike McCarthy and Seamus Moynihan. Kerry had the match ups down to a tee and Goulding rarely had a big day against Tom Sullivan who dealt with him and James Masters with ease. I rated Donncha O'Connor highly but again Marc generally held him well. The same Cork forwards regularly made hay against other top tier teams. You could also argue that weak Cork managers rarely developed a style of play to suit natural forwards. I always thought he was underrated. He has scored some serious points in his time.
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Post by delorean on Oct 26, 2016 12:09:06 GMT
I believe some of the Cork forwards of the 00's were handicapped in terms of national acclaim by coming up 2-3 times a year against some of the best man markers the game has ever seen in Marc OSe, Tom Sullivan, Mike McCarthy and Seamus Moynihan. Kerry had the match ups down to a tee and Goulding rarely had a big day against Tom Sullivan who dealt with him and James Masters with ease. I rated Donncha O'Connor highly but again Marc generally held him well. The same Cork forwards regularly made hay against other top tier teams.You could also argue that weak Cork managers rarely developed a style of play to suit natural forwards. I'm not sure about that bit - I think 2009 was the first year we met a real top tier side outside of Kerry in the Championship in years, Tyrone in the semi final. Goulding and Donncha O'Connor have had some very good days against Kerry in Munster and our paths haven't crossed beyond that since 2009. Goulding was usually good for a goal against Kerry in Croke Park, when introduced in the 2007 final as well as the 2008 semi final and replay. He even score 0-2 from play in the 2009 final and it could easily have been 1-2 but for a decent save from Murphy. Tom O'Sullivan got man of the match that day which kind of proved how difficult it was to contain him completely. Overall you're right but I think it was more a measure of Kerry being stronger in general, it's always going to be difficult for any forward when supply is limited. Fully agree with regards Donncha O'Connor, hopefully he'll stay on for another while as he's still head and shoulders above some our our other squad members (and even starters).
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Post by playitfair on Oct 26, 2016 14:32:16 GMT
Donncha O'connor has been for quite some time one Cork forward that the Kerry public would see starting on the Kerry team. He may be underrated by some but not by Kerry people. Great footballing brain.
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Post by veteran on Oct 26, 2016 19:44:13 GMT
I concur with the comments regarding Daniel Goulding. I had huge time for him as indeed I had for Doncha. I,have a weakness for guys who can kick a ball as adroitly as two fellows . It is a sad indictment of the current game that forwards who are prepared to "burst a gut" are often rated more highly than the more natural forward who can a ball arrow like as exemplified by Daniel . Of course , he could do that out of hand or off the ground. Sadly, we have now reached the stage where , in al lot of cases, the goalie has to be engaged for those chores.
If the current trend continues , will elegant forwards like Daniel become redundant? For example , would Maurice Fitzgerald have prospered in the modern game?
I have always there was more in Daniel than he produced and he produced a lot. The reason for that very likely, as has been suggested, is that he ill equipped for the modern games. The real shame would have been if he had to retire without his medal. Thankfully, he achieved that in 2010 when he had a final worthy of his talent. The memory of that should sustain him for the rest of his life. One final comment. Daniel always carried himself with dignity. I wish him health and happiness.
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Post by southward on Oct 26, 2016 20:16:39 GMT
Donncha O'connor has been for quite some time one Cork forward that the Kerry public would see starting on the Kerry team. He may be underrated by some but not by Kerry people. Great footballing brain. 35 now, but I think he's actually a better player than he was 8 or 9 years ago. He used to come across as always being a bit nervous and a guy who'd lose confidence easily. Seems more relaxed on the pitch these days - comes with maturity, I suppose, and it's improved his game.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 27, 2016 8:50:50 GMT
Donncha O'connor has been for quite some time one Cork forward that the Kerry public would see starting on the Kerry team. He may be underrated by some but not by Kerry people. Great footballing brain. Who would he have replaced on the Kerry teams of 04 - 09?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 27, 2016 22:58:49 GMT
I believe some of the Cork forwards of the 00's were handicapped in terms of national acclaim by coming up 2-3 times a year against some of the best man markers the game has ever seen in Marc OSe, Tom Sullivan, Mike McCarthy and Seamus Moynihan. Kerry had the match ups down to a tee and Goulding rarely had a big day against Tom Sullivan who dealt with him and James Masters with ease. I rated Donncha O'Connor highly but again Marc generally held him well. The same Cork forwards regularly made hay against other top tier teams. You could also argue that weak Cork managers rarely developed a style of play to suit natural forwards. What other 'top tier teams' did they 'regularly make hay against'? I ask this because I don't think that Cork team/era met too many 'top tier teams' in championship..............
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Post by brucewayne on Oct 27, 2016 23:28:51 GMT
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Post by fitz on Oct 27, 2016 23:32:45 GMT
Donncha O'connor has been for quite some time one Cork forward that the Kerry public would see starting on the Kerry team. He may be underrated by some but not by Kerry people. Great footballing brain. 35 now, but I think he's actually a better player than he was 8 or 9 years ago. He used to come across as always being a bit nervous and a guy who'd lose confidence easily. Seems more relaxed on the pitch these days - comes with maturity, I suppose, and it's improved his game. I agree that he got better with age. Very passionate player, two great feet. My most abiding memory of him was not when with Goulding dragging them back into the 10 final v Down that they won, but his second half v Kerry in 09. This the half where Cork's self-belief diminished and O'Connor himself made a number of mistakes. He kept showing though and working, far more evidently than his other forward teammates, right to the bitter end. It stood out for me.
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Post by delorean on Oct 29, 2016 17:45:44 GMT
Very true Fitzwop. Even when he came on the scene first and missed a couple of handy enough chances against Kerry in the Munster Championship it was admirable how he just kept showing and showing. His free taking improved a lot too as he used get a bit of stick from the Cork crowd in the earlier years - it wasn't his fault he was still the best right footed free taker we had available and I'd say he would have benefited from it being removed from his set of duties at the time.
I remember Q&A session with Goulding on RTÉ at one stage and he was asked who the worst loser was on the Cork team. Without hesitation he said "Donncha!". We could do with a few more bad losers these days.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 29, 2016 23:15:21 GMT
Very true Fitzwop. Even when he came on the scene first and missed a couple of handy enough chances against Kerry in the Munster Championship it was admirable how he just kept showing and showing. His free taking improved a lot too as he used get a bit of stick from the Cork crowd in the earlier years - it wasn't his fault he was still the best right footed free taker we had available and I'd say he would have benefited from it being removed from his set of duties at the time. I remember Q&A session with Goulding on RTÉ at one stage and he was asked who the worst loser was on the Cork team. Without hesitation he said "Donncha!". We could do with a few more bad losers these days. DOC was a solid gold player for yous, the sort that any successful team at any level must have, the heart & soul of a team. Nerves of steel was one of his standout talents
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Nov 7, 2016 14:15:49 GMT
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