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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 15:48:47 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 4, 2016 16:03:31 GMT
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Post by glengael on Oct 4, 2016 16:06:28 GMT
Ah hold on a minute Kerrygold. it's still autumn here.
Just because ye have an Orange weather warning and all that rain below in Iveragh, don't be putting the clock forward by a month!!!
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Post by buck02 on Oct 4, 2016 17:16:21 GMT
If Eugene McGee and his ilk have got good broadband in their Ivory Towers I hope that they are listening to all of the negative talk (including a lot from players, the most important people) about the black card.
They say that the handpass, the blanket defence, sledging and so on are ruining the game of Gaelic Football, well I think that a rule that came in, courtesy of a handful of people, without being trialed is the biggest threat to the game.
Referees have an impossible job as it is and then the powers that be throw the black card on their shoulders. The different interpretations have not been surprising over the last two seasons. Some of the black cards that have been dished out this year in the biggest games of the season have been crucial. Its leading to huge frustration amongst players. The vast majority of supporters and even commentators (who are paid to know what they are talking about) do not know how to interpret the rule. (I heard a commentator this weekend describe a foul and saying 'it could be a black card, a yellow card or even a red card').
Next season we will have the mark to contend with, along with the black card and the advantage rule. The mark is a little more black and white than the other two but I strongly disagree with the application of a new rule without any prior experimentation of these new rules.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 17:46:34 GMT
If Eugene McGee and his ilk have got good broadband in their Ivory Towers I hope that they are listening to all of the negative talk (including a lot from players, the most important people) about the black card. They say that the handpass, the blanket defence, sledging and so on are ruining the game of Gaelic Football, well I think that a rule that came in, courtesy of a handful of people, without being trialed is the biggest threat to the game. Referees have an impossible job as it is and then the powers that be throw the black card on their shoulders. The different interpretations have not been surprising over the last two seasons. Some of the black cards that have been dished out this year in the biggest games of the season have been crucial. Its leading to huge frustration amongst players. The vast majority of supporters and even commentators (who are paid to know what they are talking about) do not know how to interpret the rule. (I heard a commentator this weekend describe a foul and saying 'it could be a black card, a yellow card or even a red card'). Next season we will have the mark to contend with, along with the black card and the advantage rule. The mark is a little more black and white than the other two but I strongly disagree with the application of a new rule without any prior experimentation of these new rules. JMG nails it in this article. www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-mcguinness-black-card-is-ruining-football-1.2815177I cant really see how the mark will add anything to what we saw in the two games this year between Mayo and Dublin?
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 17:52:01 GMT
Ah hold on a minute Kerrygold. it's still autumn here. Just because ye have an Orange weather warning and all that rain below in Iveragh, don't be putting the clock forward by a month!!! The shouting is over for this year Glengael, although ye never experience winter in East Kerry? Yere capital town is still booming so late in the season
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Post by keane on Oct 4, 2016 21:02:30 GMT
This is hard to believe
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 4, 2016 21:06:02 GMT
Keane..could you blow it up or tell us what it says!
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Post by keane on Oct 4, 2016 21:07:25 GMT
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Post by inforthebreaks on Oct 4, 2016 21:23:57 GMT
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 4, 2016 21:31:36 GMT
Dublin’s predictable win makes GAA the big loser ewan mackenna
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Share It was in 2014 that Joachim Löw sat in a press room beneath the Maracana, the Germany football coach’s face and his words hiding just what he and his nation had achieved in Brazil. With Germany just proclaimed world champions, it was a title that should have allowed the mask to slip, letting us into the very soul of victory. Only he saw it differently.
“We started this project ten years ago, so this is the result of many years’ work,” he said matter-of-factly, as if talking about erecting a garden fence. “We’ve continued that work and our strength has been our constant progress. We’d not made this ultimate step before.”
Watch the All-Ireland replay highlights THE TIMES After the colour and chaos of the World Cup that was a beautiful representation of the nation that hosted it, that seemed the wrong ending. Yet, it was a moment that came to mind in the aftermath of this All-Ireland final replay. The game itself may have been brutally brilliant with Mayo showing that the well is deeper than we could ever have imagined and Dublin digging far beyond the frontline to get over the finish, but this too seemed cold and mistaken. Money had bypassed passion.
There are many similarities between Dublin and Germany, the most obvious being a perfect use of endless resources to get to the top, but there are many key differences as well. For instance, some countries can get near to Germany’s financial wealth, some countries can match their playing and coaching numbers, and crucially for all Fifa’s flaws it never favoured any one nation to the detriment of the game it rules. Consider that for a moment. In the role of director-general since 2008, Paraic Duffy is often heralded and given an easy ride as a productive sports administrator, but think too about the years he’s been in the job and the fact he’s overseen the biggest case of doping in modern Irish sport. The financial doping that destroyed Leinster and is now destroying our greatest tournament.
By now we know the figures. Last year after a long and similar trend the GAA handed over €1,460,400 to the capital in a games development grant, more than any province combined with only one other county getting even six figures. That is before the €1 million a year special grant given over via the taxpayer and the Irish Sports Council. That is before we get to the fact that their population not only means a player base that dwarfs all others, but it also means a market that allows its sponsorship to dwarf all others. You can be sure that unlike in many places Bernard Brogan and Stephen Cluxton will not be on O’Connell Bridge in the coming months with a bucket asking for loose change to fund their efforts to be the best.
Of course none of this is Dublin’s fault, they hve merely excelled off the field as they hve excelled on it. But it is the GAA’s fault, for shame.
Therefore, strip away the emotion and fascination of Saturday and what essentially happened was a professional team in almost every way won a trophy contested by amateur opposition. We do not get excited when Manchester City brush past lower-league opposition in the cup, we do not get excited when a Mercedes whizzes past a Force India, so why is this different? When the Simpsons drew Homer in the ring with Drederick Tatum it was comedy yet what we have here is tragedy.
Lowndes enjoys Dublin’s success with his manager, Gavin, at Croke Park JAMES CROMBIE/INPHO Dublin’s players and management are not in the business of entertaining us, they are in the business of winning and they are exceptional at it. Yet, in the aftermath of this latest victory, there was something representative in their dull and carefully dusted words. Brogan could well have been speaking after an O’Byrne Cup game; Dean Rock used more clichés than the points he had kicked in a defining performance; Cluxton ticked the corporate boxes on the steps as he received the trophy. It was a representation of the machine they have become, overtaking the sport they play.
Deep down Dublin fans know this but have long had safeguards. They mention Kilkenny and Kerry when there is no numerical comparison. They mention how close Mayo got, when they have not been beaten in 29 games, most of which are akin to the Harlem Globetrotters humiliating the Washington Generals. They mention how this is a special generation and while it is, so is the next one and the one after that – indeed this final was telling as it was not the special generation that won it, it was instead the next generation with the likes of Rock and substitute Cormac Costello proving decisive. If you find the facts negative or bitter, then you problem is with the facts and with reality and if you do not money makes a telling difference, you really don’t understand modern sport.
This is not difficult stuff. In fact after that 2014 World Cup final, sitting on a beach with soccer journalists, they asked about football. From a sphere of monopolisation and big bucks, they laughed at what the GAA had done and what they had made Dublin. But no one who truly cares about and loves the game is laughing now. Sadly, it is fitting that in these years of boom for the minority and bust for the majority in Ireland, the national game has been subjected to the same sort of ultra-capitalism in a ruthless form. The governing body jumped straight into bed with its cash cow and closed the door. All we can now see is the result of what went on.
Dublin could not rein in their delight at winning another All-Ireland final JAMES CROMBIE/INPHO Still the GAA expect us to lap up relatively tiny projects here and there, such as their €125,000 a year offered to Kildare, Meath, Louth and Wicklow to help with coaching. But smaller counties than Dublin actually need much more money than Dublin to balance out demographic disparity. This is merely loose change being flung at a homeless man to lighten the wallet and change perception. Do not buy that for a minute for they have long since chosen their partner. Aogan O Fearghail may have physically given Cluxton the trophy at the weekend, but his organisation long ago gave it to them.
In 1989 economist Francis Fukayama wrote an essay titled The End of History in which he described the collapse of communism and the triumph of capitalism as the end of mankind’s ideological evolution. Across the 2000s though we saw the triumph of capitalism in what is supposed to be an amateur sport, and the result is the end of football’s history. Dublin may have predictably won, but the game is the huge loser in all of this.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 4, 2016 22:06:06 GMT
Predictable win?
In the three final games of the championship they won by two, zero and one points.
These are tight margins.
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 5, 2016 6:11:23 GMT
It was not "a professional team brushing aside amateur opposition ". That might describe what happened in Leinster but not beyond. Let's not get caught up in petty jealousies- that way madness lies. Dublin have definite population and geographical advantages - not their fault. This leads to financial advantages which they would be crazy not to exploit. Instead of moaning about it the rest of us should be working out ways to overcome it. That''s what Mayo almost pulled off in the drawn game and could have done in the replay. That's what we did in with the hailstones flying in Killarney in 2015 and can do again next March. Too much focus on Dublin's advantages will turn them into an unbeatable machine because in the opposition's heads they have lost before the throw in. And remember Germany won the World Cup but Portugal are the European Champions.
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 5, 2016 8:03:40 GMT
Keane..could you blow it up or tell us what it says! Right click your mouse Take option to open in new window Then use Zoom option to enlarge (three dots on top right of screen) Chart gives the amount of money received by county - the twist is it divides the money by the number of registered players in each county. Dublin got €274.70/player - far more than any other county.Cork got €15.90, Kerry €19.00, Mayo €23.30. Next biggest after Dublin appears to be Fermanagh at €68.70
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Post by kot on Oct 5, 2016 11:09:26 GMT
It was not "a professional team brushing aside amateur opposition ". That might describe what happened in Leinster but not beyond. Let's not get caught up in petty jealousies- that way madness lies. Dublin have definite population and geographical advantages - not their fault. This leads to financial advantages which they would be crazy not to exploit. Instead of moaning about it the rest of us should be working out ways to overcome it. That''s what Mayo almost pulled off in the drawn game and could have done in the replay. That's what we did in with the hailstones flying in Killarney in 2015 and can do again next March. Too much focus on Dublin's advantages will turn them into an unbeatable machine because in the opposition's heads they have lost before the throw in. And remember Germany won the World Cup but Portugal are the European Champions. I would agree to a point but that graph showing how much the GAA is giving each player per registered player is very very telling. It should be equal at the very least no? Dublin's sponsorship potential; your right, they would be absolutely bonkers not to exploit and they do a great job at it. But surely the GAA need to be a bit of a leveller in terms how they distribute the wealth? From a playing point of view, absolutely - no point going around feeling sorry for yourself and you need to get it out of your head. They are of course beatable!
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 5, 2016 21:02:32 GMT
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Post by sullyschoice on Oct 5, 2016 21:31:12 GMT
I would be no big admirer of Eugene Mc Gee. Could never warm to him as a journalist or pundit. As for his comments about Mc Guinness, thats a bit childish.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 5, 2016 21:45:21 GMT
I would be no big admirer of Eugene Mc Gee. Could never warm to him as a journalist or pundit. As for his comments about Mc Guinness, thats a bit childish. Heard them today - pathetic.
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 6, 2016 6:22:42 GMT
Four Kerry players nominated for All Stars: Paul Geaney; Paul Murphy; Killian Young and Shane Enright. Same number as Galway and one and two fewer than Tipp and Tyrone respectively. Probably a fair reflection of the quality of our Championship games before the Semî and I would expect Paul Geaney to come through but the bulk will be from Dublin and Mayo with performances in the two Final matches to judge from. Won't be losing any sleep over this one!
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Post by buck02 on Oct 6, 2016 8:46:00 GMT
So a man who won 1 All Ireland and headed the group that brought in the black card is criticising the a man who won 2 All Irelands and is looking to change the black card.
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Post by buck02 on Oct 6, 2016 8:47:02 GMT
Four Kerry players nominated for All Stars: Paul Geaney; Paul Murphy; Killian Young and Shane Enright. Same number as Galway and one and two fewer than Tipp and Tyrone respectively. Probably a fair reflection of the quality of our Championship games before the Semî and I would expect Paul Geaney to come through but the bulk will be from Dublin and Mayo with performances in the two Final matches to judge from. Won't be losing any sleep over this one! Did Kerry not beat Tipp by 12 or 13 points in the Munster Final? Strange that Tipp would be more nominations then.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 6, 2016 9:15:02 GMT
Four Kerry players nominated for All Stars: Paul Geaney; Paul Murphy; Killian Young and Shane Enright. Same number as Galway and one and two fewer than Tipp and Tyrone respectively. Probably a fair reflection of the quality of our Championship games before the Semî and I would expect Paul Geaney to come through but the bulk will be from Dublin and Mayo with performances in the two Final matches to judge from. Won't be losing any sleep over this one! Mark Griffin and Donal Vaughan unlucky to not be nominated.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 6, 2016 9:52:25 GMT
Be jazus but McGee got that badly wrong, all McGuinness said was that black card was a nuisance and in a game of tight margins that is such an under estimation if anything.
Fact is that black card wasn't thought through and it may well have determined the outcome of games, for sure it had many a good player sidelined in a big game after training all year while others stayed on the field.
And the sin bin isn't a solution as it is the 'foul' that is the problem, not the punishment.
It is a bit like Sky, the GAA needs to get the right advice and establish trust wit it's community. I'd say the future is bright but only if the right decisions are made at the top.
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 6, 2016 16:39:41 GMT
Four Kerry players nominated for All Stars: Paul Geaney; Paul Murphy; Killian Young and Shane Enright. Same number as Galway and one and two fewer than Tipp and Tyrone respectively. Probably a fair reflection of the quality of our Championship games before the Semî and I would expect Paul Geaney to come through but the bulk will be from Dublin and Mayo with performances in the two Final matches to judge from. Won't be losing any sleep over this one! Did Kerry not beat Tipp by 12 or 13 points in the Munster Final? Strange that Tipp would be more nominations then. Yeah but Tipp destroyed Galway in the Quarter and put it up to Mayo for a long time in the Semi. I for one don't begrudge them.
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 10, 2016 19:01:24 GMT
Ryan McMenamin the subject of Laochra Gael on TG4 now.... How in the name of God can the filthiest player ever to step inside a football ground be on Laochra Gael?? Thug!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Oct 10, 2016 20:33:34 GMT
Ryan McMenamin the subject of Laochra Gael on TG4 now.... How in the name of God can the filthiest player ever to step inside a football ground be on Laochra Gael?? Thug! Will not Paul Galvin be on the show one day and would not others call him a thug?
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 10, 2016 21:57:54 GMT
Ryan McMenamin the subject of Laochra Gael on TG4 now.... How in the name of God can the filthiest player ever to step inside a football ground be on Laochra Gael?? Thug! Will not Paul Galvin be on the show one day and would not others call him a thug? Big difference between Galvin and Ricey when it comes to thuggery. Ricey admitted it himself that if he behaved in the outside world like he did on the pitch he'd be in Jail. Galvin always went out to play ball but if trouble came looking for him he wouldn't hide. He was rarely the instigator. Ricey was always the instigator. Sickens me to see the smile on Mikey Harte's face when he talks about Ricey's antics. Pure dirt.
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 11, 2016 10:03:50 GMT
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 11, 2016 19:39:42 GMT
Will not Paul Galvin be on the show one day and would not others call him a thug? Big difference between Galvin and Ricey when it comes to thuggery. Ricey admitted it himself that if he behaved in the outside world like he did on the pitch he'd be in Jail. Galvin always went out to play ball but if trouble came looking for him he wouldn't hide. He was rarely the instigator. Ricey was always the instigator. Sickens me to see the smile on Mikey Harte's face when he talks about Ricey's antics. Pure dirt. Depends on whether the word "laoch " is translated as "hero" or "warrior". There IS a difference!
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Post by ciarrailar on Oct 12, 2016 11:01:34 GMT
Big difference between Galvin and Ricey when it comes to thuggery. Ricey admitted it himself that if he behaved in the outside world like he did on the pitch he'd be in Jail. Galvin always went out to play ball but if trouble came looking for him he wouldn't hide. He was rarely the instigator. Ricey was always the instigator. Sickens me to see the smile on Mikey Harte's face when he talks about Ricey's antics. Pure dirt. Depends on whether the word "laoch " is translated as "hero" or "warrior". There IS a difference! Was always hero when I went to school. Even at that, a warrior would have integrity in battle.....
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