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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 23:51:34 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me to see Potts playing midfield with Billy Courtney and releasing Shaw to the top of the square then. Potts has an engine like a Ferrari. I agree with that. He'll be midfield next year with Nelu Doherty for the Crokes minors. He could possibly end up playing there for the Kerry minors too next year.
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 20, 2016 17:22:55 GMT
There was 2 games in Group D this weekend - not really sure what the reason for the scheduling was I assume it was related to the loss of the week with the strike was probably the reason. Anyway 2 wins for the Kerry teams. St. Fachtnas Skibbereen(0-6) P.S Chorcha Dhuibhne (0-13) P.S Rathmore(3-11) St Flannans (1-14) This 2nd win means Dingle are through to the quarter finals, and Rathmore's win improves their chances of getting through to the last 8 significantly - there last game is against Skibbereen who have lost both their games (although their loss to Flannans was a one point loss on a scoreline of 1-8 to 10 points so it's not a certainty by any means) A third win by Dingle over Flannans would mean that Rathmore might even go through if they lose, as all 3 teams beside Dingle would be on 2 points and it would come down to scoring difference. Report from the Examiner on the Dingle win www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/pobalscoil-corca-dhuibhne-finish-in-style-430976.html
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 20, 2016 17:25:36 GMT
All these games are scheduled for this Wednesday and admission is free if anyone is interested in heading along. These 2nd round of games really throw some shape on the groups in terms of what schools will make the last 8.
Tralee CBS v St. Francis College Rochestown Millstreet 1:30 PM
Coláiste Choilm Ballincollig v Coláiste na Sceilge Dr Crokes 1:30 PM
Mercy Mounthawk v Colaiste Chriost Ri Mallow 1:30 PM
Clonakilty Community College v Clonmel High School St Michael's 1:30 PM
De La Salle College Macroom v St Brendans Killarney Rathmore 1:30 PM
I.S. Killorglin v Árdscoil Uí Urmaltaigh Bandon Naomh Aban 1:30 PM
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 22, 2016 20:42:13 GMT
The final round of the Group D fixtures are on tomorrow as well.
P.S Rathmore v St. Fachtnas Skibbereen Kilmurry 1:30 PM
St Flannans v P.S Chorcha Dhuibhne Mountcollins 1:30 PM
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 23, 2016 15:44:37 GMT
Results from today
Sem 1-15 Mallow 1-8 Ballincollig 1-9 CNS 0-9 Skibbereen 5-9 Rathmore 1-11 Rochestown 3-10 Tralee CBS 1-16 Flannans 0-9 Corca Dhuibhne 0-5 Killorglin 2-14 Bandon 1-7 Clonmel 3-9 Clonakilty 1-11 CCR 3-10 Mercy Mounthawk 0-10
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 23, 2016 18:11:18 GMT
State of play after 2 games in Groups A,B and C and three games in Group D
Group D is completed and Flannans and Corca Dhuibhne are through with Skibbereen and Rathmore out.
In Group A CNS are definitely out. Rochestown play CNS and Tralee play Ballincollig in the last round of games. The key game is the Tralee v Ballincollig game - A draw or better means Tralee are through; Rochestown are pretty good odds to go through given how CNS have performed so far and the fact they have nothing to play for For Rochestown not to qualify they have to lose to CNS and Ballincollig have to beat Tralee. Rochestown equalised the game today against the Green with a last minute point; if the Green had won their odds of going through would be a good bit higher.
In Group B CCR are nearly certainly through (they would have to lose their game by a bucketload and results go very mucg against them not to go through) It's between Mounthawk and Clonmel for the 2nd place with Clonakilty out of the running. Based on the scorelines to date you would think it's likely to be advantage Mounthawk - if they win they will more than likely go through as Clonmel's score difference is so much worse than CCR and Mounthawk's
In Group C The Sem are through as only one other team can match them on four points even if they lose. Bandon are out and basically it's a winner takes all match between Killorglin and Macroom for the 2nd place in the group. If there is a draw, Macroom would go through based on score difference.
Overall not the best day for the various Kerry clubs.
Definitely through Flannans Corca Dhuibhne Brendans
More than likely through Rochestown CCR
Up-in-the air Tralee Ballincollig Mounthawk Clonmel Killorglin Marcroom
Definitely out Rathmore Skibbereen CNS Clonakilty Bandon
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Post by breakingbadball on Nov 23, 2016 20:09:28 GMT
Great information, givehimaball. Heard the Sem used a different mid field pairing today, Cian Gammell (Legion) and Billy Courtney (Crokes) while Michael Potts (Crokes) made his return from injury, playing at centre back.
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Post by purekev28 on Nov 23, 2016 23:19:28 GMT
The Green looked very sharp today against a strong Roco side and will be disappointed not to win.They could be dark horses going into the later stages of this competition. Corner forward Eoin Greaney looked unstoppable at times today and David Fitzmaurice was also very efficient in midfield.
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 5, 2016 17:47:18 GMT
Final Round of Group Games in 3 Remaining Groups This Wednesday.
A Previous post has the state of play in all the groups.
Entry to all of these games is free.
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 7, 2016 15:16:32 GMT
Results
Mercy Mounthawk 3-16 Clonakilty CC 0-8 Rochestown 1-12 Col Na Sceilge 2-8 IS Killorglin 1-12 DLS Macroom 2-8 Tralee CBS 1-10 Ballincollig 0-4 Chriost Rí 2-9 HS Clonmel 0-6 St Brendan's 2-24 Hamilton High School 0-8
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 7, 2016 15:28:55 GMT
The Green Tralee Rochestown Chriost Ri Mounthawk St Brendans IS Killorglin Flannans Chorca Dhuibhne
5 Kerry teams through to the last 8 -which is decent going.
Killorglin win a one point win to get past Macroom, while CNS only went down to Rochestown by a point (which helped the Green win the group as both Rochestown and the Green were on equal points and had drawn in their game, so it came dowm to score difference).
Big wins for both Chriost Ri and the Sem again today and they would look to be favourites.
I am assume that it's the same format as previous years with the group winners on one side and the runners up on another in the draw. Not sure if teams that met in the group stages can be drawn against each other or not. If not it narrows the possibilities down a bit more.
Group winners Chriost Ri St Brendans The Green Tralee Flannans
Runners Up I.S. Killorglin Corca Dhuibhne Rochestown Mercy Mounthawk
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Post by northkerry5 on Dec 14, 2016 16:42:57 GMT
Cbs the green looked very strong against a decant ballancollig team ! Can they put an end to Sems run of form ?
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 14, 2016 17:04:09 GMT
Cbs the green looked very strong against a decant ballancollig team ! Can they put an end to Sems run of form ? Highly unlikely - different class I am afraid - Sem are 10 points stronger from what I have seen
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 14, 2016 19:51:16 GMT
Draw for this takes place tomorrow.
Sem and Chriost Ri both went through on 6 points (won all games) with score differences of 48 and 35
However can't help but think these 2 groups might not have been the strongest - after the Sem Killorglin game I was talking to someone from back that way and they didn't expect a whole lot from the team (not that surprising since the Sem had just beat them by around 20 points) I'd imagine the fact that they got out of the group would be considered a decent return especially after such a poor result in the first game. It does speak well to those lads character to come back and qualify after such a poor result in the first game, in a 3 game group. Their game against Macroom in what was a head-to-head playoff was a very tightly contested game.
In the other group Clonmel and Clonakilty seemed a good way off the pace and the scores they achieved and conceded in the games where they weren't playing each other would back this up.
Results in the group games Clonmel High School 0-7 v 4-16 Mercy Mounthawk Clonmel High School 0-6 v 2-9 Colaiste Chriost Ri
Colaiste Chriost Ri 0-22 v 1-4 Clonakilty Community College Clonakilty Community College 0-8 v 3-16 Mercy Mounthawk
Clonakilty Community College 1-11 v 3-9 Clonmel High School
Mercy Mounthawk 0-10 v 3-12 Colaiste Chriost Ri
The more competitive nature of the Green's group might be an advantage. However I'd be concerned about the Rochestown game - sounded like they were a bit sloppy to allow Rochestown snatch the draw.
Down to the last 8 now and with knock-out, teams have to perform on the day.
I have heard some talk that one of the Sem's bigger names might be missing for the next round but it might only be talk at this stage.
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Post by northkerry5 on Dec 15, 2016 20:24:38 GMT
Quarter final draw: St Brendan's vs PS Chorcha Dhuibhne CBS The Green vs ISK Killorglin St flannans vs Mercy Mounthawk Col Chriost Ri vs St Francis Rochestown Predictions
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 15, 2016 22:04:41 GMT
A; Col Chriost Rí V St Francis College Rochestown B; Tralee CBS V IS Killorglin C; St Flannans V Mercy Mounthawk D; PS Chorcha Dhuibhne V St Brendans
The winner of fixture A will face the winner of fixture B in the semi-final
The winner of fixture C will face the winner of fixture D in the semi-final
The Quarter-Finals are scheduled for Wednesday January 18th.
There will definitely be at least 2 Kerry teams in the semi-finals, and it could be 3 if Mounthawk beat Flannans.
Based on form in the group stages would have to think the following are the favourites
A Chriost Ri B Tralee CBS C St Flannans D St Brendans
At the semi-final stage I'd go for Chriost Ri and the Sem, with the Sem winning the final. The Sem won the Frewen 2 years ago beating the Green in the final, so between that and their performances in the group stage it would make sense to have them favourites. However they are down David Clifford from that Frewen winning team already and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if things didnt work out exactly like that.
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Post by northkerry5 on Dec 15, 2016 22:15:05 GMT
With Chriost Ri losing to Macroom(Who are knocked out of the Corn Ui Mhuiri) in Corks form of the 'O Sullivan Cup' id fancy CBS The Green to beat them if they get over a tough killorglin side to set up an all Kerry final between The Sem And the Green
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Post by purekev28 on Dec 15, 2016 22:32:12 GMT
A; Col Chriost Rí V St Francis College Rochestown B; Tralee CBS V IS Killorglin C; St Flannans V Mercy Mounthawk D; PS Chorcha Dhuibhne V St Brendans
I'd have to agree givehimaball's predictions, that being said I think people are starting to over-estimate the Sem's quality. A team that were brought to the wire by PCD and only won by a point and now apparently without Courtney through injury they won't have an easy quarter final never mind meeting a CBS the Green team further down the line who have been looking strong so far in this competition. I'd have to say it's all up for grabs this year and as this competition has taught us many times, anyone can beat anyone on there day #onlysaying
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Post by onlykerry on Dec 16, 2016 9:55:59 GMT
Dont write of Pobail Scoil so quickly - they ran the Sem to 1 point in the final of the O Sullivan Cup in October. ISK only lost by 2 points to Pobail Scoil and CBS Tralee lost to the Sem in the first round of that competition Cup by 6 points. All in all there could be some close games as I get the sense that teams are more evenly balanced this year than in the past three when the eventual winners were dominant throughout (and each went on to win the Hogan and backbone county success also). Still think the county will be strong this year but with a broader spread of talent and four minor titles in a row would be a great way to close out the U18 era).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 0:41:22 GMT
I could see Killorglin beating the Green. They are very strong from Midfield up. I think they should play Caolim Teahan in the Backs. Mike Breen and Ciaran Kennedy are solid in midfield. Patrick Daly, Daire Cleary, Cian O'Shea, and Dara Casey are playing well up front. I have been impressed by Kennedy from Beaufort in midfield. I think him Cleary and Casey will be pushing the Kerry minor panel. Pa Carey too in the backs is another fella to watch out for. Have not been really impressed by the Green. Eoin Greaney from St.Pats is having a great year and he will pushing the Kerry minor panel. Joe O'Connor in midfield another fella. Mikey Kelleher up front too. I will go for Killorglin here. Flannans have been good and I think they will beat Mounthawk. Dara Devine from Na Gaeil has been good for Mounthawk. He will be close to the Minor panel. Even without Billy Courtney I think the Sem should have too much for Dingle. David Shaw will go to midfield and Mark Hartnett will come into the forward line. He knows where the goals are. Mark Ashe , Brian O'Connor, and Deividos Usosis will all be close to the Minors. The Sem have a lot of quality and on paper at least have the best squad in it. Chris O'Donoghue , Gammell, Niall O'Donoghue , O'Callaghan , Donnacha O'Sullivan ,Potts and Griffin will probably all make the Minor panel.
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Post by greengold35 on Dec 21, 2016 8:36:10 GMT
Will David Shaw not miss the 1/4 final due to his trip to Miami for the Aussie Rules combine?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 11:12:21 GMT
Good question I don't know to be honest
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 21, 2016 11:48:19 GMT
Will David Shaw not miss the 1/4 final due to his trip to Miami for the Aussie Rules combine? Have heard from one of the Sem team that he more than likely will be.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 21, 2016 12:24:10 GMT
Kennelly will probably demand total commitment to the poaching game will little or no regard for the needs of Kerry football.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 17:36:45 GMT
Kerrygold give it a rest. He's not putting a gun to their heads. If David Shaw or David Clifford or anyone else wants to go to Austrailia they are going to go and good luck to them. It's a fantastic opportunity for a young fella to see the Country. If Tadhg don't take them somebody else will. I am so tired of talking about poaching. They are making up their own minds. Times have changed. Gaelic Football is not the be all and end all for a young fella in Kerry like it once was. Young fellas want to travel Austrailia New Zealand USA Europe they want to see places not sit in a boring bank job or sit in a class room hoping to play with Kerry no that's not what they want anymore and the GAA don't do a lot for them either.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 21, 2016 18:22:23 GMT
Kerrygold give it a rest. He's not putting a gun to their heads. If David Shaw or David Clifford or anyone else wants to go to Austrailia they are going to go and good luck to them. It's a fantastic opportunity for a young fella to see the Country. If Tadhg don't take them somebody else will. I am so tired of talking about poaching. They are making up their own minds. Times have changed. Gaelic Football is not the be all and end all for a young fella in Kerry like it once was. Young fellas want to travel Austrailia New Zealand USA Europe they want to see places not sit in a boring bank job or sit in a class room hoping to play with Kerry no that's not what they want anymore and the GAA don't do a lot for them either. Its poaching. Time to embrace the semi-professional game in Ireland so?
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Post by kerryexile on Dec 21, 2016 23:35:02 GMT
Kerrygold give it a rest. He's not putting a gun to their heads. If David Shaw or David Clifford or anyone else wants to go to Austrailia they are going to go and good luck to them. It's a fantastic opportunity for a young fella to see the Country. If Tadhg don't take them somebody else will. I am so tired of talking about poaching. They are making up their own minds. Times have changed. Gaelic Football is not the be all and end all for a young fella in Kerry like it once was. Young fellas want to travel Austrailia New Zealand USA Europe they want to see places not sit in a boring bank job or sit in a class room hoping to play with Kerry no that's not what they want anymore and the GAA don't do a lot for them either. Its poaching. Time to embrace the semi-professional game in Ireland so? I agree with Kerrygold. In order to progress the discussion we need to remove it from the personal decision that Mark O 'Connor is making and talk about the situation in general. Messi arrived at Barcelona when he was 13. They put huge effort into his development and he played with the first team when he was about 18 and showed his class. If AC Milan wanted to buy him when he was 20 , I could not imagine a Barcelona fan saying he is entitled to see Italy ...let him go. There is a situation emerging here that needs to be tackled. The GAA must create a circumstances where teenagers think twice before they say I am going because I get a rookie salary (a modest 38,000 Euro), accommodation and a PHONE. Just because Mark is a nice young fellow and we wish him the best, that does not hide the fact that the GAA has a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 23:45:48 GMT
You're talking out your ass exile. Whats Messi got to do with it. Nobody is going to Austrailia at 13. If Messi wants to go play in Italy or England he will when and if he wants. He chose to stay in Spain. Mark O'Connor chose to go to Austrailia. It doesn't matter what the Barcelona fans think or say at the end of the day it's up to the player. Mark O'Connor is a young man and he is entitled to go and play where he wants to go . If he decides to come back he will one day. The Gaa create their own problems. Not Tadhg Kennelly or anyone else.
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Post by Mickmack on Dec 22, 2016 0:01:00 GMT
Kerrygold give it a rest. He's not putting a gun to their heads. If David Shaw or David Clifford or anyone else wants to go to Austrailia they are going to go and good luck to them. It's a fantastic opportunity for a young fella to see the Country. If Tadhg don't take them somebody else will. I am so tired of talking about poaching. They are making up their own minds. Times have changed. Gaelic Football is not the be all and end all for a young fella in Kerry like it once was. Young fellas want to travel Austrailia New Zealand USA Europe they want to see places not sit in a boring bank job or sit in a class room hoping to play with Kerry no that's not what they want anymore and the GAA don't do a lot for them either. I think you may be right in that bit and the question is why.
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 22, 2016 10:02:22 GMT
The "why" is because this boils down to professionalism versus amateurism, nothing more, simple as and nothing got to do with travel.
If three or four of these lads make it down under and this becomes a trend where 2-3 of our best minors turn professional each year over the next ten years then Kerry will have a major issue on their hands.
It would be hard to get excited about following Kerry around the country in the next decade if the top 10 or 12 of their players have turned professional in Australia.
Nacrocaigh's post cant be ignored and brushed under the carpet if it is an accurate reflection of the heart and minds of the next generation of Kerry players.
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