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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 6, 2017 23:18:07 GMT
Dublin will improve too but Mayos improvement will be much greater when they can all get together during the summer. Dublin can reach a level that no one else can in the months of february and March for reasons I outlined earlier. Dublin won the league under Jim Gavin in 2013, previous to that was 20 years earlier. Why were they not winning more league titles then. The logistics of traveling to training hasnt changed. The Luas
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 6, 2017 23:31:37 GMT
Dublin will improve too but Mayos improvement will be much greater when they can all get together during the summer. Dublin can reach a level that no one else can in the months of february and March for reasons I outlined earlier. Dublin won the league under Jim Gavin in 2013, previous to that was 20 years earlier. Why were they not winning more league titles then. The logistics of traveling to training hasnt changed. Well you have to be in the top 3 too obviously. Dublin were bad for a lot of the previous 20 years. But more and more, players are playing outside their own county, all being sucked in the general direction of the capital and the East coast in general.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 6, 2017 23:34:14 GMT
Dublin won the league under Jim Gavin in 2013, previous to that was 20 years earlier. Why were they not winning more league titles then. The logistics of traveling to training hasnt changed. The Luas 🚉 nah I was thinking all the free cars the lads have now.🚘
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 6, 2017 23:36:16 GMT
is it true that as well as a free Subaru each, they all also are given a Van for the gear. Dunno is my leg was being pulled or not.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 6, 2017 23:45:16 GMT
is it true that as well as a free Subaru each, they all also are given a Van for the gear. Dunno is my leg was being pulled or not. Free Subarus ? Your listening to the rubber bandits too much Mick.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 7, 2017 0:05:02 GMT
is it true that as well as a free Subaru each, they all also are given a Van for the gear. Dunno is my leg was being pulled or not. Free Subarus ? Your listening to the rubber bandits too much Mick. They all got two of these and a viano. Seriously. Of course logistics are easier in Dublin, always have been. If you are driving 1,5 hours to training and 1,5 hours back every time it will of course mean a lot of travelling every week. The same is true for other counties as well though. Donegal or Cork players also have long distances to travel to training. Unlike Dublin though more and more counties have players who will be working in Dublin. This becomes harder and harder and probably more so for the weaker counties. A player in Kerry might stay put in Kerry a bit longer knowing there might be a job or something for a Kerry player, but someone playing for Leitrim doesn't have the same options. It is also the ordinary people in Kerry that move abroad or to Dublin for work. Their children grow up in Dublin and will play for Dublin. The urbanisation in Ireland in the last 25, 30 years obviously benefits Dublin. Especially now that Dublin have some successes and more Dubs become interested in the GAA.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 7, 2017 0:27:30 GMT
There's me thinking we are winning because this generation of Dubs and a few younger ones coming through happen to be pretty good ,They train their arses off and have a very good attitude which is encouraged by the manager. All good things will come to an end it might well end this year for us , who knows. But we are winning at the moment because of footballing ability. As regards Banty, he might be better looking at his counterpart in Wexford Davy Fitz. I know for a fact that Davy has those guys training at very early hours of the mornings throughout the week . Nobody in Wexford hurling panel has a problem getting to training.
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Post by jackiel on Mar 7, 2017 0:46:24 GMT
They had a sponsorship deal with Toyota Ireland previously , the gear van was a Toyota last year anyway, havent seen it yet this year.It's driven by a lad who lives close to me so I meet in frequently. John Costello was driving an Avensis last year,also some of the players had Toyota's. Other players have personal deals with brands/garages. I know a lad who's daughter is going out with a Dub hurler, he got the Subaru at the start of the year, it'll be upgraded in July to 172. In truth I dont think the cars they drive have any bearing whatsoever on their success. So many other factors come into play, ie development squads, training facilities, GPO's etc.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 7, 2017 6:40:05 GMT
Sure Kerry lads don't get cars at all.
Also have any of he driven in Dublin lately? Not exactly a freeflow.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2017 8:01:14 GMT
There's me thinking we are winning because this generation of Dubs and a few younger ones coming through happen to be pretty good ,They train their arses off and have a very good attitude which is encouraged by the manager. All good things will come to an end it might well end this year for us , who knows. But we are winning at the moment because of footballing ability. As regards Banty, he might be better looking at his counterpart in Wexford Davy Fitz. I know for a fact that Davy has those guys training at very early hours of the mornings throughout the week . Nobody in Wexford hurling panel has a problem getting to training. If you genuinely think that being able to get all players together relatively easily for training at this time of the year is not an advantage over say Mayo or Kerry, you are entitled to your opinion. The advantage narrows during the summer when Dublin based players can take their holidays. Its such an obvious point i dont know why it has to be explained. Dublin can get up 4th gear at this time of the year. Most of the others are in second. I have driven around Dublin for over thirty years. As long as you avoid traffic at peak rush hour, its no big problem. I doubt very much that the Dubs time their sessions for peak rush hour.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2017 8:07:10 GMT
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 7, 2017 8:43:09 GMT
Has it ever been any different, If you got to play for Dublin you were well looked after, If you got to play for Kerry it was the same. The financial gain now in the form of sponsorship is greater and companies wanting to jump on the bandwagon is bigger. (It wouldnt have been reported as much but Dublin and Kerry lads from the 70s would have had doors opened for them and business opportunities presented to them that other counties at the time didnt) As long as Dublin are in the limelight players will benefit slightly and some are making the most out of this opportunity, with sponsorship and business deals. I say slightly because when you compare it to other sports it's miniscule. But yes it's still a lot more than most other counties. Yes living in the capital will enhance opportunities for exposure, Yes it makes it easier to get a bigger squad together for training sessions. My point is , Without top players with the right attitude everything else is irrelevant , with top players , the best training enhances them but only if managed properly . So easy we could be sitting here , declaring that Dublin haven't won Sam in twenty years because the population is too big , they don't know their best 15. All the free cars and gym work had made them soft and spoilt. They think they are better than they are. Cars and proximity to training never helped with attitude or moulded a player to be a winner , when the chips are down with 5 min's to go.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 7, 2017 9:32:18 GMT
Dublin won the league under Jim Gavin in 2013, previous to that was 20 years earlier. Why were they not winning more league titles then. The logistics of traveling to training hasnt changed. The Luas The Gravy Train!!!!!
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 7, 2017 9:49:38 GMT
If distance from and ease of getting to training was the only factor then the Dubs would be winning u21 titles as well. This factor does play a role but the Dubs have the "perfect storm" at present - a good crop of talented and committed players, great organisational support well funded, ease of access to training and support services and a good sideline. The challenge is to knock them off their perch and as sure as night follows day it will come to pass..... The HQ support that has helped them find this perfect storm justifyably bugs a lot of people and now that they have been kick started this support needs to go elsewhere. The same financial focus of the top brass of the GAA that has pushed the commercial side of the business needed Dublin to be successful to fill Croke Park and attract TV money - this has been done and now the focus needs to be on getting others to the same level - Cork being an obvious example.
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 7, 2017 9:58:48 GMT
If distance from and ease of getting to training was the only factor then the Dubs would be winning u21 titles as well. This factor does play a role but the Dubs have the "perfect storm" at present - a good crop of talented and committed players, great organisational support well funded, ease of access to training and support services and a good sideline. The challenge is to knock them off their pertch and as sure as night follows day it will come to pass..... The HQ support that has helped them find this perfect storm justifyably bugs a lot of people and now that they have been kick started this support needs to go elsewhere. The same financial focus of the top brass of the GAA that has pushed the commercial side of the business needed Dublin to be successful to fill Croke Park and attract TV money - this has been done and now the focus needs to be on getting others to the same level - Cork being an obvious example. Id agree with a lot of that.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 7, 2017 21:32:25 GMT
Bluepanther..my essential point is that dublins apparent huge superiority in march will not be there in august and september when kerry, mayo and tyrone can get all players together for a prolonged spell.
Enjoy your trip to kerry..be sure to visit irelands top beach in banna...and walk rock street...the street of champions
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Post by thebluepanther on Mar 7, 2017 23:20:25 GMT
Bluepanther..my essential point is that dublins apparent huge superiority in march will not be there in august and september when kerry, mayo and tyrone can get all players together for a prolonged spell. Enjoy your trip to kerry..be sure to visit irelands top beach in banna...and walk rock street...the street of champions When you go down the list after no15 on the team sheet there is no doubt Dublin have a stronger squad compared to other counties and this certainly helps in a league basis. But i think Managers have used the league differently in previous years in preparation for Championship. Some just happy to stay up if it meant blooding a few players or trying out different systems. Not so much players unavailable to them. Gavin seems to try and win every game. Again i dont disagree that a large squad helps this ( but Gavin is also brave enough to throw on young lads in league or championship at the expense of older lads, his decisions in early 2013 have helped who he can call on now ) Other managers are now seeing that a good league is important for Championship preparation and it's more interesting as a result. As regards counties only getting their players back in August ,Tyrone have been training hard as a unit since January , taking the mc Kenna cup seriously, they had a team closer to their starting 15 than we had when they faced us a couple of weeks ago. ( although they should of won in truth) Mayo had a team closer to their starting 15 out last Saturday and a percieved stronger team on paper than us , which was why a lot of pundits tipped them to win. I do agree everything will be a lot closer come summertime , the last few years have shown this. what we are getting now is the usual hysteria when Dublin beat a team by a large score and then we get blamed for every other counties short comings. Most Dub fans won't read too much into last Saturday, but at the same time are enjoying watching their team win games and sure why not . I love staying in Kerry and will enjoy a few days there with the family, looking forward to seeing some of the beautiful sights and a great game on Saturday evening. Sure what else would ye want to be doing on Paddys weekend.
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Post by Dermot on Mar 27, 2017 12:24:51 GMT
We dont seem to have learned "ANYTHING" since last year 15 wides and 3 dropped short into the keepers hands is criminal at this level ... And we "still" cant score our free's... We're making lots & lots of chances but we'll win bugger all unless something changes.. Depressing stuff Edit:- This "black Card" thing is a complete nightmare ... Whats to be done?
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Post by southward on Mar 27, 2017 19:48:26 GMT
The same financial focus of the top brass of the GAA that has pushed the commercial side of the business needed Dublin to be successful to fill Croke Park and attract TV money - this has been done and now the focus needs to be on getting others to the same level - Cork being an obvious example. Em.. no. They're fine where they are, thanks Ok, maybe just the hurlers then.
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Post by buck02 on Mar 31, 2017 12:26:39 GMT
I had a slight fancy for Monaghan against Dublin until I saw who was reffing it.
I also see that Cormac Reilly is reffing the Mayo Donegal game in Castlebar. I wonder will he be under pressure to give a few decision to the home side. It will be worth recording this game to get an idea of how the Mayo crowd react to any decision that goes against them - I can just hear the howls of derision already.
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Post by Mickmack on Mar 31, 2017 12:57:09 GMT
Who is reffing monaghan dublin
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Post by Leathama on Mar 31, 2017 13:01:32 GMT
Joe Mc Quillan
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Mar 31, 2017 13:20:48 GMT
I had a slight fancy for Monaghan against Dublin until I saw who was reffing it. I also see that Cormac Reilly is reffing the Mayo Donegal game in Castlebar. I wonder will he be under pressure to give a few decision to the home side. It will be worth recording this game to get an idea of how the Mayo crowd react to any decision that goes against them - I can just hear the howls of derision already. It's going to be an orgy of confirmation bias up in Mayo so.
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Post by onlykerry on Mar 31, 2017 15:08:48 GMT
New rule proposal for next congress.
All referees to be anonymous in the future. No prior announcement of who is refereeing a game to avoid teams studying his form and preparing accordingly. Ref to be picked five minutes before start of match from a panel of five for each game and will wear a balaclava for the duration of the game to avoid being identified. A "who is he" competition will take place after the game with text entries costing €3 each, the winner gets an all expenses trip with the all stars.
Ooops I'm a day early with this - sorry
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Post by kerrygold on Mar 31, 2017 15:13:58 GMT
FFS, seriously? Have you a link to confirm that appointment. Corporate Park looking to ensure a 60k plus crowd at the league final?
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Post by Aodhan on Mar 31, 2017 17:32:11 GMT
Watching from the armchair the majority of the game seemed to be played in the Dublin half of the field, Kerry completely dominated the first half which did not reflect on the score board. Maybe the TV was misleading.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Mar 31, 2017 18:49:08 GMT
Watching from the armchair the majority of the game seemed to be played in the Dublin half of the field, Kerry completely dominated the first half which did not reflect on the score board. Maybe the TV was misleading. Indeed. Dublin also put men behind the ball if it suits them, but we aren't allowed to address that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 19:47:52 GMT
Watching from the armchair the majority of the game seemed to be played in the Dublin half of the field, Kerry completely dominated the first half which did not reflect on the score board. Maybe the TV was misleading. Indeed. Dublin also put men behind the ball if it suits them, but we aren't allowed to address that. Very trye. He goes on about how teams should approach Dublin in a traditional orthodox way. Does he honestly think thats the way Dublin play! Deluded. What galls me is that the Dublin media are now trying to sell the notion that Dublin are the purists and the saviours of football. I was at the game and the Dublin players got involved in every bit as much off the ball stuff. If Kerry were that defensive we wouldn't be guilty of leaving our full back line as exposed at it has been at times in recent games, especially against Cavan.
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Post by southward on Mar 31, 2017 21:49:50 GMT
I'm sure Curran's motives are entirely purist in nature and he's only dying for Kerry to entertain him with carefree football. Sure who could argue with that? Or could it possibly be the Dub media getting worried that teams are starting to slow down the juggernaut?
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