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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Feb 14, 2017 13:07:15 GMT
Unlike the people that were there I didn't see the elbow, but it was sure it was a serious offence if the ref talked to the linesmen and immediately went for red. Dublin again struggled with the blanket defense, but the weather didn't do them any favours either. Tyrone are very, very disciplined when it comes to tackling, but quite cynical when it comes to off the ball stuff. It has been pointed out over and over, but Tyrone are still the masters at getting under the opposition skin. Even after reading Mickey Harte's book I'm still amazed that a man who comes across as a gentleman in interviews and on the sideline can have such a negative attitude at times. It seems to be winning at all costs. It might be that it's just rhetoric to sell the book, but it does seem to be endemic in Tyrone football that as long as you win nobody cares how the game was won. I hope that is not the case, but it seems to me like that and I'm not the only one that has that perception. Mickey Harte is a true master though at realising the players he has and what they can do. He usually gets the tactics right and does what he can to win games. Tyrone nearly pulled it off and a very dubious free towards the end made it a draw. I don't think Jim Gavin would have been overly disappointed had the Dubs lost the game as they played well and nearly clawed back the lead. Joe McQuillan did his best to ruin the game and he did his best to level the game towards the end. In 2011 and 2013 McQuillan didn't have the best performances in the final either and though I don't believe, like some obviously do, that he favours the Dubs, I do think he is a poor ref and the Dubs probably have their homework done on him, knowing what it takes to influence him. That said though, he didn't do Dublin any huge favours either, except for the free towards the end, and I doubt anyone left Croke Park being happy about the ref. It is always bad if we talk about the ref after a game, but more than once those decisions by referees have ruined games. I'm sure that anyone attending the Dublin Tyrone match will have noticed a lot more off the ball stuff, but it seems like McQuillan is a referee that often lets matches run out of control. I'm sure that Tyrone will travel to Cavan confidently as they have beaten them more often than the other way round. Cavan might have won the first time they played this year, but I'm sure that Tyrone will be better prepared this time. Dublin face a tough trip to Donegal though I would be confident Dublin experience will win that against a young Donegal team. Jeez I worry about you ... In one breath you admit you werent even at the game but then go on immediately about how awful Tyrone are re "off the ball" stuff and how we're "masters of the dark arts" etc.. the same tired pathetic old cliches that youve read 10-15 years ago but still peddle out ad nauseum all these years later .. you're not alone but you are certainly the most constant & blatant at not having a feckin clue what youre talking about ... If you think Tyrone are any different/worse than Kerry or Dublin or Mayo, you are deluded I know, I shouldnt bother .. lol I said masters at getting under the opponent's skin. And yes, that is a cliche, but still true. The reason why most people still write the same way about Tyrone is because they are still doing the same thing. And I agree that all the others are doing it as well, but Tyrone are just excellent at it. You more than once commented on games you weren't at so I can throw that back at you. I haven't seen every single thing that went on, obviously, but the video does give a good story. Tyrone have a template for what they do and they do it very well. I agree with Tyrone people that Tyrone should have won the game. I'm not blaming Mickey Harte for using whatever tactic he has to to win and he nearly beat the All Ireland champions. Against all odds and when nobody gave them a realistic chance. Tyrone are still doing very well what they have been doing very well for the last 15 years. I suppose you read the Mickey Harte book as well so you know the kind of drive and determination I meant. I know that the Kerry Mayo game saw a lot of yellow and black cards on Saturday, but the black card was almost invented because of Tyrone. Surely even you see that. How often have Tyrone games seen fights or some sort of controversy? Surely even you can count. I'm not saying they aren't entitled to and it has lead to a lot of success for them. Counties fear Tyrone and worry about breaking down the structure and even the mighty Dublin didn't find a way. If it wasn't for that dubious free Tyrone would have won and it would have been a big upset. It's only a league game, but if Tyrone would have beaten them it would have sent shockwaves through the GAA world. The Dubs want to look invincible and breaking that magic might send the house of cards tumbling down. So fair play to Tyrone for doing what they needed to do and almost pull it off. I don't like the style and I still have doubts it will be a winning tactic come summer, but I admit that Tyrone came a lot closer to beating Dublin than we did recently. As summer starts though pitches become faster and the weather becomes better. Football becomes faster and the teams will have more training done. Will Tyrone still be in the top come summer? They didn't exactly impress during the McKenna cup and were lucky that Donegal didn't take it seriously and Cavan slipped up. Tyrone are still favourites to win Ulster and might be dark horses for the league title, but I still have my doubts about them.
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Post by Dermot on Feb 14, 2017 13:11:55 GMT
that is all ...
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 14, 2017 13:16:14 GMT
This will cheer you up Dermot
The Joe Show at the end
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Post by Dermot on Feb 14, 2017 13:29:05 GMT
This will cheer you up Dermot The Joe Show at the end Aye thanks MM .. thats me all better now lol Like seriously, hows that a free ... not even related to one Still though, Dean Rock still had to put the bugger over the bar ... but he rarely misses .. wish we could find someone even nearly as good/consistent ... He's worth his weight in gold in this modern game..
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 14, 2017 13:31:51 GMT
This will cheer you up Dermot The Joe Show at the end Aye thanks MM .. thats me all better now lol Like seriously, hows that a free ... not even related to one Still though, Dean Rock still had to put the bugger over the bar ... but he rarely misses .. wish we could find someone even nearly as good/consistent ... He's worth his weight in gold in this modern game.. A comical decision.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 14, 2017 13:36:09 GMT
Anymore comical than the one at the end of the 2011 final? I doubt it................
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Post by Dermot on Feb 14, 2017 13:36:48 GMT
Aye thanks MM .. thats me all better now lol Like seriously, hows that a free ... not even related to one Still though, Dean Rock still had to put the bugger over the bar ... but he rarely misses .. wish we could find someone even nearly as good/consistent ... He's worth his weight in gold in this modern game.. A comical decision. It truly was .. mind you I doubt I'd be as jovial about it if this happened in the AI ... oh dear God no
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Post by southward on Feb 14, 2017 18:59:09 GMT
Scandalous decision; but no surprise.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:34:54 GMT
Definite free based on alot of what he gave throughout the game, attempt to drag back/impede the player. Considering he gave Tyrone 36 frees to 12 against us a few years ago, in a really open attacking game where we dominated possession, I don't think even the most blinkered can claim Tyrone have been hard done-by against us.
The free at the end in the 2011 All-I final was a free all day. BJK left the leg. McMenamon was hardly thinking I'll go down and get one 45 metres out, and on the wrong side for the kicker, to win Sam. Kerry got given every decision for the 20 minutes prior to the Dublin goal. 4 point lead, goodnight. The Kerry fans in the crowd with the feather boas, and the spangley hats, and big smug smiles at that stage tell the story, Kerry switched off. They beat themselves.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 16, 2017 11:39:49 GMT
Definite free based on alot of what he gave throughout the game, attempt to drag back/impede the player. Considering he gave Tyrone 36 frees to 12 against us a few years ago, in a really open attacking game where we dominated possession, I don't think even the most blinkered can claim Tyrone have been hard done-by against us. The free at the end in the 2011 All-I final was a free all day. BJK left the leg. McMenamon was hardly thinking I'll go down and get one 45 metres out, and on the wrong side for the kicker, to win Sam. Kerry got given every decision for the 20 minutes prior to the Dublin goal. 4 point lead, goodnight. The lads in the crowd with the feather boas, and the spangley hats, and big smug smiles at that stage tell the story, Kerry switched off. They best themselves. I think it is fair enough to argue that the incident at the end of 2011 was a free. Maybe it was charging --- maybe it was more or less a trip --- I don't think that is relevant here. I certainly have no gripe about 2011 as I have said many times. Neither is another match over five years ago anyway relevant by the way. However, if you are honestly claiming that in the match in the league against Tyrone, that that was a free, I am afraid you have lost all credibility when it comes to discussing Dublin football. I know I am biased. I don't think I am as biased as some of the one-eyed tinfoil-hat-wearing brigade on here but if you are honestly claiming that was a free you are worse than the worst on here. Have you not watched the incident on video? You think that is a free???!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 11:56:37 GMT
Ok, I exaggerated but Tyrone do that little pull back on the arm all day, and mostly get away with it. It's laughable that some on here are leaving out years of their own context, and the context of many decisions in the rest of this game.
Picking out one decision as if that's what matters more. Tyrone the poor victim when it suits. I mean come on, it's so simplistic, now that's comical
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 16, 2017 11:57:34 GMT
Ok, I exaggerated but Tyrone do that little pull back on the arm all day, and mostly get away with it. It's laughable that some on here are leaving out years of their own context, and the context of many decisions in the rest of this game. Picking out one decision as if that's what matters more. Tyrone the poor victim when it suits. I mean come on, it's so simplistic, now that's comical It's not a free. Ever. Doesn't matter what the context is.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 16, 2017 12:12:22 GMT
Ok, I exaggerated but Tyrone do that little pull back on the arm all day, and mostly get away with it. It's laughable that some on here are leaving out years of their own context, and the context of many decisions in the rest of this game. Picking out one decision as if that's what matters more. Tyrone the poor victim when it suits. I mean come on, it's so simplistic, now that's comical It's not a free. Ever. Doesn't matter what the context is. It's the picking out of that one. And there are countless examples of frees given for virtually nothing. It balances out, except where one team gets over double the amount of frees another does. Funny though that doesn't seem to bother some on here, only the simplistic stuff out of context. And yes context does matter, alot. In Gaelic games, and all sports, refs give soft decisions, and wrong decisions throughout games. To leave that out is pure selectiveness or naivety.
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Post by Dermot on Feb 16, 2017 12:59:02 GMT
Definite free based on alot of what he gave throughout the game, attempt to drag back/impede the player. Considering he gave Tyrone 36 frees to 12 against us a few years ago Oh dear God Rashers .. You're still going on about frees in a game, years ago, that you won ... BTW have you even considered that Dublin fouled more than Tyrone that day ? ... just a thought !! And by the way, as Annascaultilidie said, what on earth has that got to do with the Ref gifting Dublin a draw at the weekend .. That was NEVER ever a free BTW, no big deal at this time of the year but if that happened in the All Ireland people would be apoplectic ... Personally I'd need a quiet dark corner somewhere and time to reflect lol
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 17, 2017 0:35:23 GMT
Definite free based on alot of what he gave throughout the game, attempt to drag back/impede the player. Considering he gave Tyrone 36 frees to 12 against us a few years ago Oh dear God Rashers .. You're still going on about frees in a game, years ago, that you won ... BTW have you even considered that Dublin fouled more than Tyrone that day ? ... just a thought !! And by the way, as Annascaultilidie said, what on earth has that got to do with the Ref gifting Dublin a draw at the weekend .. That was NEVER ever a free BTW, no big deal at this time of the year but if that happened in the All Ireland people would be apoplectic ... Personally I'd need a quiet dark corner somewhere and time to reflect lol Dermo, there's 'more frees', and there's 36 to 12. Do you know of many games where the free count is that one-sided? Does the context of the game mean anything to you, that a team that is dominating, in a very open, free-flowing game, could have that many frees against them, and the other team, desperately clinging on in the face of a hammering, could have so few? Does the context of a discussion mean anything to you, the discussion being Mcquillan refereeing in games involving Dublin? The same Mcquillan that as a linesman screwed us Vs Cork in 2010, that screwed us Vs Mayo in 2012(after a media propaganda campaign), that gave Mayo more than double the frees in the 2013 final, including several incredibly soft ones that let them back in the game late on when vlesrly beaten and that gave countless bad decisions throughout the league game in question? Are you saying that only one decision really mattered in a game that consists of every decision, and every score? Is the commentary really that lazy, and simplistic? Maybe try focusing somewhat on the fact that Tyrone got away with alot of subtle fouling to slow down, and impede a runner, where no possibility of getting even near the ball existed, in that game. You get away with alot, you get done sometimes harshly, in the balance of things, you're not hard done by. Isn't it very odd that McQuillan's decisions only raise real comment when Dublin don't lose?
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Post by sullyschoice on Feb 17, 2017 1:16:01 GMT
That wasnt a distant relation to a Free. Much as I cant stand the princes of the dark arts, that was ridiculous. But Dublins pet referee strikes again
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 17, 2017 2:27:40 GMT
Kerrys pet delusion you mean. Gotta give up the excuse mentality. Kerry were always well above all this. Getting results when the game is in the fire is what it's all about. Rock's kick was what Sheehan used to do
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Post by Dermot on Feb 17, 2017 11:17:27 GMT
Oh dear God Rashers .. You're still going on about frees in a game, years ago, that you won ... BTW have you even considered that Dublin fouled more than Tyrone that day ? ... just a thought !! And by the way, as Annascaultilidie said, what on earth has that got to do with the Ref gifting Dublin a draw at the weekend .. That was NEVER ever a free BTW, no big deal at this time of the year but if that happened in the All Ireland people would be apoplectic ... Personally I'd need a quiet dark corner somewhere and time to reflect lol Dermo, there's 'more frees', and there's 36 to 12. Do you know of many games where the free count is that one-sided? Does the context of the game mean anything to you, that a team that is dominating, in a very open, free-flowing game, could have that many frees against them, and the other team, desperately clinging on in the face of a hammering, could have so few? Does the context of a discussion mean anything to you, the discussion being Mcquillan refereeing in games involving Dublin? The same Mcquillan that as a linesman screwed us Vs Cork in 2010, that screwed us Vs Mayo in 2012(after a media propaganda campaign), that gave Mayo more than double the frees in the 2013 final, including several incredibly soft ones that let them back in the game late on when vlesrly beaten and that gave countless bad decisions throughout the league game in question? Are you saying that only one decision really mattered in a game that consists of every decision, and every score? Is the commentary really that lazy, and simplistic? Maybe try focusing somewhat on the fact that Tyrone got away with alot of subtle fouling to slow down, and impede a runner, where no possibility of getting even near the ball existed, in that game. You get away with alot, you get done sometimes harshly, in the balance of things, you're not hard done by. Isn't it very odd that McQuillan's decisions only raise real comment when Dublin don't lose? lol ... Sorry Rashers I'm not even going to bother ... you're too far gone Im afraid .. "I recon he's a stage 3 now Ted"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 12:20:32 GMT
Rashers ruining threads again with this sh*ite
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 17, 2017 13:17:35 GMT
Rashers ruining threads again with this sh*ite He is out of sorts if he is calling that a "definite free". I suppose he must have learned a lot about bias hanging around here but he is reaching new levels of whataboutery if he can't simply say that no, it wasn't a free.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 17, 2017 13:41:42 GMT
Rashers calm down! On a side note, anyone have any updates on geaney, James o or killian young s injuries
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Post by kerryboy83 on Feb 17, 2017 13:42:12 GMT
Rashers calm down! On a side note, anyone have any updates on geaney, James o or killian young s injuries
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Post by playitfair on Feb 17, 2017 15:35:57 GMT
Ok, I exaggerated but Tyrone do that little pull back on the arm all day, and mostly get away with it. It's laughable that some on here are leaving out years of their own context, and the context of many decisions in the rest of this game. Picking out one decision as if that's what matters more. Tyrone the poor victim when it suits. I mean come on, it's so simplistic, now that's comical Rashers you are absolutely right when you say that you shouldn't pick just one decision and over the course of a match, you shouldn't. As a referee you will never get every decision right, we all know that and that is why consistency etc are important. However I do think that referees are judged by how they do with the big decisions. A league game in February is not huge but a free to level the game is probably big enough in that context. That is the context in which it needs to be judged. Hope you make the trip to Tralee in March, I am certain all the travelling Dubs will love it. Just like I loved going to matches in Parnell Park. Always a great atmosphere. League matches in Croke park do not compare.
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Post by southward on Feb 17, 2017 21:14:32 GMT
Do you know of many games where the free count is that one-sided? Does the context of the game mean anything to you, that a team that is dominating, in a very open, free-flowing game, could have that many frees against them, and the other team, desperately clinging on in the face of a hammering, could have so few? Last week in Tralee: In a game that was one of 2 halves, but even overall, Mayo were awarded 12 scoreable frees, converting 9. Kerry were awarded 2.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 18, 2017 8:14:04 GMT
Do you know of many games where the free count is that one-sided? Does the context of the game mean anything to you, that a team that is dominating, in a very open, free-flowing game, could have that many frees against them, and the other team, desperately clinging on in the face of a hammering, could have so few? Last week in Tralee: In a game that was one of 2 halves, but even overall, Mayo were awarded 12 scoreable frees, converting 9. Kerry were awarded 2. Very unfair refereeing, it sounds like. Rare enough such an imbalance I'd say
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 18, 2017 8:15:09 GMT
Rashers ruining threads again with this sh*ite He is out of sorts if he is calling that a "definite free". I suppose he must have learned a lot about bias hanging around here but he is reaching new levels of whataboutery if he can't simply say that no, it wasn't a free. I already said I exaggerated. What is this, a public enquiry?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 18, 2017 8:19:31 GMT
Rashers ruining threads again with this sh*ite But you don't think several posters posting endless repetitive sh.ite about Mcquillan over every dodgy decision that favours Dublin is ruining threads? I actually don't either by the way, I enjoy the challenge. And I try to keep it impersonal (though Mick has provoked me over the line best the odd time, fair play to him). So try to play ball, not man.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 18, 2017 8:23:32 GMT
Dermo, there's 'more frees', and there's 36 to 12. Do you know of many games where the free count is that one-sided? Does the context of the game mean anything to you, that a team that is dominating, in a very open, free-flowing game, could have that many frees against them, and the other team, desperately clinging on in the face of a hammering, could have so few? Does the context of a discussion mean anything to you, the discussion being Mcquillan refereeing in games involving Dublin? The same Mcquillan that as a linesman screwed us Vs Cork in 2010, that screwed us Vs Mayo in 2012(after a media propaganda campaign), that gave Mayo more than double the frees in the 2013 final, including several incredibly soft ones that let them back in the game late on when vlesrly beaten and that gave countless bad decisions throughout the league game in question? Are you saying that only one decision really mattered in a game that consists of every decision, and every score? Is the commentary really that lazy, and simplistic? Maybe try focusing somewhat on the fact that Tyrone got away with alot of subtle fouling to slow down, and impede a runner, where no possibility of getting even near the ball existed, in that game. You get away with alot, you get done sometimes harshly, in the balance of things, you're not hard done by. Isn't it very odd that McQuillan's decisions only raise real comment when Dublin don't lose? lol ... Sorry Rashers I'm not even going to bother ... you're too far gone Im afraid .. "I recon he's a stage 3 now Ted" Lol, course you're 'not going to bother' Dermo, your stock answer every time you're found out with no argument, no evidence, no detail, and unwilling to engage over something that negatively involves Tyrone. Lol. Btw, I've stood up for Tyrone a couple of times in recent years, in case you forgot, such as when the ref rode them Vs Mayo in the semi-final a few years ago. It's OK, I don't expect thanks.
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Post by Mickmack on Feb 18, 2017 11:30:37 GMT
I dont think Seamus Aldridge ever got to ref another game involving Dublin after 1978 final such was the uproar. A game they lost by 17 points and was over shortly after half time. And the GAA was probably right in so doing.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Feb 19, 2017 11:50:31 GMT
McQuillan gave the frees last weekend 33-15 in favour of Tyrone. A similar pattern in many games that he has reefed us(Freudian Slip). Jaysus, he REALLY must've disliked Kerry!
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