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Post by peanuts on Jan 9, 2017 13:43:00 GMT
There was an interesting interview with Jarlath Burns who I think was chair of the committee in one of the papers before Christmas about the mark . He said the reason it was brought in was more about underage football and trying to keep/bring back/develop the art of high fielding. It wasn't aimed at inter-county football. Unfortunately most commentators either do not know or choose to ignore this. That smacks of revisionism to me peanuts. Gees, you're very cynical buck . I'd prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt. As far as I can see there's nothing much negative in the mark's introduction. I do agree with most though that it will have little impact on the game unless combined with other rules changes e.g. restriction on short kick outs.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 9, 2017 17:30:48 GMT
That incident with Barry OSullivan going for the hospital pass and getting clobbered was a real concern but thankfully he was ok after it. Shane Ryan looks comfortable and confident with the short kickout option....
6 or 7 could play senior in the future ..i am including the subs introduced today in that assessment, Tipp and Cork are on the other side of the draw in the u21 so the 29th March is a "save the date" scenario He really does look the part; confident and commanding.
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Post by homerj on Jan 9, 2017 23:53:26 GMT
Ballythefireside - I overheard a discussion after the game yesterday and someone posed your question. The immediate answer was 'how many of the senior team would you integrate into this u21 team.' I don’t expect that many would agree with that analysis but genuinely they looked to be a fine side. Tipp were pretty awful yesterday and can only improve. I expect there will be a few changes when they are all fit and available but it will take a good side to beat them in their age group. You would have to admire their work rate and movement and they looked like a well-prepared outfit. I especially liked Shane Ryan, Jason Foley, Tom O’Sullivan, Dan O’Brien and Andrew Barry (MOTM) in defense; Barry O’Sullivan in midfield and Sean O’Sé in the forwards. These lads would hold their own in any company. I’d say a few of the senior panel will be looking over their shoulders and could be ‘surplus to requirements’ later on this year. and this is before any of the 2016 minor brigade come into the fold! if these lads are managed correctly in the next 3 years, we will have a serious set up for the next decade. given the current economic issues in rural ireland, can we keep them all in the county though, thats the big challenge.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 10, 2017 9:42:12 GMT
Ballythefireside - I overheard a discussion after the game yesterday and someone posed your question. The immediate answer was 'how many of the senior team would you integrate into this u21 team.' I don’t expect that many would agree with that analysis but genuinely they looked to be a fine side. Tipp were pretty awful yesterday and can only improve. I expect there will be a few changes when they are all fit and available but it will take a good side to beat them in their age group. You would have to admire their work rate and movement and they looked like a well-prepared outfit. I especially liked Shane Ryan, Jason Foley, Tom O’Sullivan, Dan O’Brien and Andrew Barry (MOTM) in defense; Barry O’Sullivan in midfield and Sean O’Sé in the forwards. These lads would hold their own in any company. I’d say a few of the senior panel will be looking over their shoulders and could be ‘surplus to requirements’ later on this year. Very interesting angle and great news if it means that that bar is being raised to that extent though Tipp weren't great. Of course I hope you are right but there might still be life in the auld dogs too -remember Donaghy in '14 when he was written off. Jason Foley is of steel and it is only a matter of time; games like that will bring him on and it is as important not to rush it. That we have such a talented management team will no doubt ensure that the right thing are done and the attitude appears to be so right. Add Currans into the mix and there will be a good days ahead. The longer fellas are in the system they are less likely to fall out though Brexit will hit food industry hardest and which means rural Ireland so nothing can be taken for granted and people will be kept on their toes. With the season under way and having had the first day of spring weather here in Donegal on Sunday, spirits are lifting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2017 18:19:04 GMT
Shane Ryan should be the senior goalie this year and Shane Murphy should be his back up. No doubt in my mind about that. I have seen enough now of the Kelly - Kealy experiment. I think O'Beaglaoich, Foley, White and Barry should be 4 backs that I would like to see in the league. O'Sullivan in midfield. O'Seanachain, O'Shea, Geaney, would be 3 forwards.
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Post by Premier on Jan 10, 2017 21:42:00 GMT
Shane Ryan should be the senior goalie this year and Shane Murphy should be his back up. No doubt in my mind about that. I have seen enough now of the Kelly - Kealy experiment. I think O'Beaglaoich, Foley, White and Barry should be 4 backs that I would like to see in the league. O'Sullivan in midfield. O'Seanachain, O'Shea, Geaney, would be 3 forwards. Complete overhaul like you have mentioned never happens. Also, weren't the majority of these players part of the team which were rightly beaten by Cork in last years u21's. I wouldn't be shoving Mahony or Donaghy out of the way too soon. If the pretenders were that good, why were these 2 players amongst the most influential in last year's championship. Lastly, everyone cuts Sheehan, but we will all be looking through our fingers if Moran keeps trying to kick 45s. Fact is, no one else has proved they can kick them
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 10, 2017 23:00:07 GMT
Agreed, we're too quick to cull the old lads here on the forum. They all have plenty to offer. Let the young lads play them off the match day panel inside if they are a better option.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 11, 2017 0:17:32 GMT
Like everything, getting the balance right is important for Kerry this year. You need lads like Donaghy and OMahony to stand up for the younger lads being brought through and to provide leadership and experience. One shudders at the thought of last Sundays team being sent out against Philly, James McCarthy and a few other wily operators. Similarly, Kerry need to last the pace for the guts of 80 minutes with Dublin and Mayo (and Tyrone) and not be overrun in the final push for home. (the 10 mins before half time did paper over a lot of cracks v Dublin in 2016). The younger brigade will bring that.
But I dont expect Kerry to win the All Ireland this year anyway but I do expect Kerry to be very serious contenders in 2019 and 2020 et seq and the manner in which the minors of 2014 - 2016 plus Jack Savage, are assimilated will have a big bearing on that.
Also, is Sean O Shea a son of the former Kenmare hurler of the same name.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 11, 2017 10:23:10 GMT
Shane Ryan should be the senior goalie this year and Shane Murphy should be his back up. No doubt in my mind about that. I have seen enough now of the Kelly - Kealy experiment. I think O'Beaglaoich, Foley, White and Barry should be 4 backs that I would like to see in the league. O'Sullivan in midfield. O'Seanachain, O'Shea, Geaney, would be 3 forwards. Complete overhaul like you have mentioned never happens. Also, weren't the majority of these players part of the team which were rightly beaten by Cork in last years u21's. I wouldn't be shoving Mahony or Donaghy out of the way too soon. If the pretenders were that good, why were these 2 players amongst the most influential in last year's championship. Lastly, everyone cuts Sheehan, but we will all be looking through our fingers if Moran keeps trying to kick 45s. Fact is, no one else has proved they can kick them If we don't have someone to accurately take long frees and 45s I would hope that we take them short. Missing long range frees can sap a player's confidence and if about half of 45s are missed anyway...
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Post by ruralgaa on Jan 11, 2017 10:35:23 GMT
Like everything, getting the balance right is important for Kerry this year. You need lads like Donaghy and OMahony to stand up for the younger lads being brought through and to provide leadership and experience. One shudders at the thought of last Sundays team being sent out against Philly, James McCarthy and a few other wily operators. Similarly, Kerry need to last the pace for the guts of 80 minutes with Dublin and Mayo (and Tyrone) and not be overrun in the final push for home. (the 10 mins before half time did paper over a lot of cracks v Dublin in 2016). The younger brigade will bring that. But I dont expect Kerry to win the All Ireland this year anyway but I do expect Kerry to be very serious contenders in 2019 and 2020 et seq and the manner in which the minors of 2014 - 2016 plus Jack Savage, are assimilated will have a big bearing on that. Also, is Sean O Shea a son of the former Kenmare hurler of the same name. Yes his father is Sean O'Shea who would have played football & hurling for kenmare throughout the late 80s and the 90s.
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Post by homerj on Jan 11, 2017 10:41:29 GMT
so when is the next mcgrath cup game?
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Post by mandad on Jan 11, 2017 11:07:03 GMT
I think it’s well known that Shane Ryan is anxious to play outfield, in the forwards, rather than in goals. Anyone who has seen him play in the forwards for Rathmore will understand why. He is, in my opinion, the best underage keeper that we have produced in a very long time. His kick-out and place kicking makes him and even more valuable asset. Equally, from what I have seen of him playing in the forwards with Rathmore, he has a lot to offer there too. Bearing in mind that his development has been held up by injury, I would rate him highly as a target man and a finisher with a realistic prospect of being a first choice forward for Kerry in future years. I have no doubt that he will be well advised by those who have his best interests at heart and the issue will resolve itself over time. Goalkeeping can be a lonely place and anyone who says he should stay in goals has obviously never scored an over-head kick in Croke Park.
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 11, 2017 11:35:47 GMT
I think it’s well known that Shane Ryan is anxious to play outfield, in the forwards, rather than in goals. Anyone who has seen him play in the forwards for Rathmore will understand why. He is, in my opinion, the best underage keeper that we have produced in a very long time. His kick-out and place kicking makes him and even more valuable asset. Equally, from what I have seen of him playing in the forwards with Rathmore, he has a lot to offer there too. Bearing in mind that his development has been held up by injury, I would rate him highly as a target man and a finisher with a realistic prospect of being a first choice forward for Kerry in future years. I have no doubt that he will be well advised by those who have his best interests at heart and the issue will resolve itself over time. Goalkeeping can be a lonely place and anyone who says he should stay in goals has obviously never scored an over-head kick in Croke Park. Goal Keeping in the modern game is also becoming a crack position that requires someone that is very comfortable at kicking the ball and restarting the game. Cluxton is Dublin's most valuable player. Someone sitting behind me at last Sundays game commented that Shane Ryan has/is of "football", probably an important prerequisite in the modern game to becoming a top class keeper.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 11, 2017 14:24:36 GMT
so when is the next mcgrath cup game? Sunday at 2pm in Mallow.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2017 18:04:00 GMT
Shane Ryan is our best option right now in the county . He's an accurate kicker. He's big and commanding in and around the square. He's very mobile for a big guy. He can get down quick to the low ball. Kelly's kick outs last year against Dublin cost 5 or 6 scores in the first half alone. He was very poor. That did it for me. It's time to bring in a quality young keeper. He's the future.
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Post by ddtinexile on Jan 11, 2017 19:46:30 GMT
Anyone going to Mallow on Sunday do not go straight through the town centre or park road. At the first roundabout turn left passing the fire station on the left. Next roundabout( dairygold one) turn right onto Barrick Street. Next take second turn left( sign post for Fermoy) Continue straight over the ramps. Having jumped the fifth ramp turn right ( incline) and right again(sign post for Fermoy Mitchelstown). Take next turn left passing by the Centra . Continue straight down the hill( more ramps). Bottom of hill turn right and then left onto main mallow Fermoy road. Continue for half mile to Olivers Cross turn right...... pitch 100 yards on the left. I'm sure it'll be signposted . From 1st roundabout to pitch following above directions..... about 7 minutes.
Ciarrai Abu.
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Post by homerj on Jan 11, 2017 20:50:49 GMT
cork up 1-15 to 1-8 at the moment against Tipp.
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Post by southward on Jan 11, 2017 21:42:14 GMT
FT Cork 2-22 Tipperary 1-9
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Post by kot on Jan 13, 2017 14:57:03 GMT
Shane Ryan is our best option right now in the county . He's an accurate kicker. He's big and commanding in and around the square. He's very mobile for a big guy. He can get down quick to the low ball. Kelly's kick outs last year against Dublin cost 5 or 6 scores in the first half alone. He was very poor. That did it for me. It's time to bring in a quality young keeper. He's the future. But sounds from Rathmore is that he is determined to play out the field? So that leaves Murphy once the Crokes season finishes as the longer term option? Didn't see the game Sunday but Ryan was class underage and would be the best option but if he is not going to play there then we have to work with those who are keen to play in goals.
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Post by mandad on Jan 13, 2017 15:37:54 GMT
Is he a better full forward than Kieran Donaghy was at the same age? I would say yes to that question. Would that alter your thinking?
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Post by Kingdomson on Jan 13, 2017 15:41:46 GMT
Shane Ryan is our best option right now in the county . He's an accurate kicker. He's big and commanding in and around the square. He's very mobile for a big guy. He can get down quick to the low ball. Kelly's kick outs last year against Dublin cost 5 or 6 scores in the first half alone. He was very poor. That did it for me. It's time to bring in a quality young keeper. He's the future. [/quote ]But sounds from Rathmore is that he is determined to play out the field? So that leaves Murphy once the Crokes season finishes as the longer term option? Didn't see the game Sunday but Ryan was class underage and would be the best option but if he is not going to play there then we have to work with those who are keen to play in goals. Shame that, if true. Being a modern inter-county goalkeeper actually means holding down the most important and arguably the most influential position on the field these days. Stephen Cluxton has changed the role completely and shown the potential gong forward. In a possession game, you are the quarterback, the leader, the one who dictates an awful lot, maybe Shane could be persuaded that there are real benefits. If you want to be centre to the action and the glory then being a top class keeper can be very rewarding.
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 13, 2017 16:28:15 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 13, 2017 20:37:20 GMT
Far to say he is giving younger lads a chance the next day anyway. First thing that struck me was that it looks a team with decent mobility to it.
No change in the keeper situation.
I'm sure Cork will be up got this one, so I could see it being a bit tasty.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 13, 2017 20:59:03 GMT
Like everything, getting the balance right is important for Kerry this year. You need lads like Donaghy and OMahony to stand up for the younger lads being brought through and to provide leadership and experience. One shudders at the thought of last Sundays team being sent out against Philly, James McCarthy and a few other wily operators. Similarly, Kerry need to last the pace for the guts of 80 minutes with Dublin and Mayo (and Tyrone) and not be overrun in the final push for home. (the 10 mins before half time did paper over a lot of cracks v Dublin in 2016). The younger brigade will bring that. But I dont expect Kerry to win the All Ireland this year anyway but I do expect Kerry to be very serious contenders in 2019 and 2020 et seq and the manner in which the minors of 2014 - 2016 plus Jack Savage, are assimilated will have a big bearing on that. Also, is Sean O Shea a son of the former Kenmare hurler of the same name. Yes his father is Sean O'Shea who would have played football & hurling for kenmare throughout the late 80s and the 90s. thanks ruralgaa. Sean junior is made from the right stuff so Speaking of Kenmare hurling, Dara OCinneide on TG4 has a programme on the development of GAA in America, In the 1850s a group emigrated from Kenmare and introduced hurling to New Jersey. Hoboken GAA club was formed a few years ago and the An Neidin crest is on their jersey in honour of the pioneers from Kenmare.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 13, 2017 23:27:25 GMT
Far to say he is giving younger lads a chance the next day anyway. First thing that struck me was that it looks a team with decent mobility to it. No change in the keeper situation. I'm sure Cork will be up got this one, so I could see it being a bit tasty. I think this is a selection with some positives. It is very early - we will have to see what happens as the season goes on.
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Post by homerj on Jan 13, 2017 23:38:17 GMT
Very strong team,one of the strongest I've seen for a mcgrath cup game!!
Apart from those 5 or 6 still involved in club football and Donaghy/Mahony there ain't many missing!
In fact I'm not far off saying apart from above,only Paul Murphy, Paul Geaney,Sheehan and Maher are unaccounted for!!!
With the under 21's last weekend, that's about 40 players available for selection at the moment for the first league game
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Post by kerrygold on Jan 14, 2017 12:06:41 GMT
Only two new caps, Foley and Savage. We know what the rest of them can do. It would be worthwhile to give Barry and Brendan O'Sullivan extended runs at 8 & 9. Hard to know if this is a bland slice pan team for this time of the year or a brown bread team of nourishment and substance with a view to the rest of the year.
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Post by southward on Jan 14, 2017 12:20:33 GMT
Good to see Adrian Spillane & Brendan O'Sullivan in there. A bit surprised Andrew Barry didn't get a look in. Not sure about Morley at midfield.
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Post by piggott on Jan 14, 2017 16:40:03 GMT
I note Conor Keane Killarney Legion is named at no 25. Eamon seems to rate him higher than Jack.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 14, 2017 19:10:30 GMT
Interesting to see a sprinkle of veterans chosen in January when you'd imagine the emerging lads should have the measure of the rebels.
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