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Post by buck02 on Nov 30, 2016 12:36:49 GMT
If Pairc Ui Chaoimh is ready and Clare beat Limerick in the first round of Munster there will be no home game in the championship in 2017. The superstitious amongst you will recall this happened last in 2014 (although we were made to believe we played a home semi final against Mayo).
I would like to see Jason Foley and Gavin White getting game time in the backs at some stage, maybe the 1st two rounds like they did with Begley and Tom O Sullivan last year. Barry Sullivan, Mathew Flaherty and Cormac Coffey too maybe from the 21s. Daithi Casey's form this last 6 months cannot be overlooked either. I'd be very surprised if Shane Murphy doesnt come into the panel. Brendan Sullivan could make an impact in the last 10 minutes against tiring teams so hopefully he'll be fit.
If Marc is the only retiree from 2016, then the addition of the above (and surely I've missed 1 or 2) could make for nice competition and no 'hangers-on' on the panel like we have seen over the last few years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 13:23:00 GMT
Who would you regard as the hangers on?
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Post by buck02 on Nov 30, 2016 13:42:10 GMT
Who would you regard as the hangers on? Wont name anybody in particular. I just think there are a few lads in there (not many mind you) who have been happy to be part of the panel, satisfied with odd start in the league but when it boils down to it wont cut it come August or September. I'd like to see 26 on the Kerry panel going into a semi final or final with the management 100% confident of throwing on any one of the subs. I dont think this has been the case over the last two years.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 13:58:15 GMT
Fair enough and I agree with the general point. while I appreciate you do not want to label some one a hanger on, I think it is also fair that when people are calling for so and so to be brought onto the panel, that they should mention whose place they would take.
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Post by jackiel on Nov 30, 2016 14:20:21 GMT
that's a bit harsh Buck. If there are so called "hangers on" surely that's the fault of the management rather than the lads themselves. These guys put their lives on hold, train like hell and obviously give enough in training to still be considered part of the panel. Decisions on who stays or goes are made my management not the players in the main. The day of the 2014 QF v Galway, I was thinking how KD was holding up a place on the panel that might be better used by someone else. From what he wrote in his book he didn't like sitting up in the subs bench much and set his mind to changing things. Meeting him on the steps of the Hogan Stand on 21st Sept I was delighted to have been wrong.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 30, 2016 18:14:55 GMT
At a time when the game has radically changed, turned inside out to be exact, built from the back in a defensive manner with an offensive sub plot, we have three intercounty selectors from a different era who all played in attack for Kerry and one defender, the manager himself. It will be interesting to see what Kerry do in 2017. The new game at the top-top table has become fascinating to watch. Hopefully things pan out well for Kerry in the new year.
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Post by mandad on Nov 30, 2016 19:56:35 GMT
We have no guarantees of great things happening. We just have a lot of hope. Our expectations are never going to change. The error is to think that just because we have a young crop emerging that eventually things will automatically be different in some fundamental way. We have a good mix of old and young but these guys need to play together. They need to develop as a team and that won’t happen overnight, There were a lot of disappointments with the way the championship ended because we had a chance to have a better result against Dublin and unfortunately that's what's fresh in people's minds. We expected that Kerry would start fast and try to take the game to Dublin but were instead as flat as a pancake in the opening 20 minutes when the players looked almost leg weary. Dublin’s ability to keep the tempo of the game so high for inordinately long periods at the end of games has been largely responsible for their success. To shift into fifth gear for a ten or fifteen minute blast that opponents seem unable to match and that literally blows teams away. Kerry have yet to match or counteract that intensity and until we do we will always be pushing it uphill.
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 2, 2016 9:38:03 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 2, 2016 9:54:55 GMT
Good to see Tommy on the comeback trail, a welcome development. The players always liked the Railway Cup games. The GAA should try and revitalise the concept and bring them back to a Paddys Day setting in Croke Park once the club championships are completed in the same calendar year in the future.
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Post by diego on Dec 11, 2016 23:23:55 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Dec 12, 2016 9:29:30 GMT
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Post by buck02 on Dec 12, 2016 11:25:47 GMT
Good that the team holiday is over well before Christmas/New Year this year - no excuses for not getting off to a good start in the league.
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 15, 2016 9:59:08 GMT
When is it likely the Crokes will nominate one of their own for the captaincy?
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Post by homerj on Dec 20, 2016 0:25:19 GMT
if Aidan is lining out for Munster, there is a big chance that he is staying on.
anybody like to have a go at naming new lads that will make the senior championship panel this year, along with BOB from last year? need to be brining in a good chunk of the new lads this year and not just 1 or 2 as it was last year.
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Post by fealeside on Dec 20, 2016 9:58:35 GMT
I think Ballydonoghues Brian Ó Seanachain has to be given an opportunity in the league. A minor last year and Junior this year I think he's ready for the step up. He seems to have it all really. Jason Foley was training with the Seniors this year and could also be given a run out. Massive hype about him up here in North Kerry so it will be interesting to see how he gets on.
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Post by givehimaball on Dec 20, 2016 12:05:24 GMT
Still unsure of whether O'Mahony, Cooper and Donaghy will be putting themselves forward for selection.
Cooper has said he will wait until after Crokes are finished up, Donaghy has been non-committal mentioning his involvement with the basketball and seeing how his body feels. Given Aidan is off going dancing, I'd be dubious about him being involved.
There's also the headache from Eamonn's point of view of the club All-Irelands at the various grades, in term of lads being away with their clubs.
I'd imagine that Eamonn is making his plans on the basis that none of the three above will be involved and it's not like the squad is short of experience anyway.
I can't help but wonder if there might be one or two players thanked for all they have done for Kerry and told their services are no longer required ?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Dec 20, 2016 14:56:40 GMT
I think Ballydonoghues Brian Ó Seanachain has to be given an opportunity in the league. A minor last year and Junior this year I think he's ready for the step up. He seems to have it all really. Jason Foley was training with the Seniors this year and could also be given a run out. Massive hype about him up here in North Kerry so it will be interesting to see how he gets on. Two car crashes in Moyvane, Jason bashed Cox and Noel bashed Jason -now Foley is hard but is he still a bit light? I didn't see the games in the flesh so not sure. Ballydonoghue have an extensive panel of good players but can anyone see county standard outside Brian and Jason? I suppose Éamonn will be the expert, if reading the game and anticipation are key steps between Club and County standard then who were the good readers of those two recent encounters? Brian O Sheanachain was excellent in his link play, drawing the opponent only to then give the ball to his man. Eamon Walsh to me is a stand out candidate but hardly at MF. Maybe a few of our extensive panel of 30 might bloom on a strength and conditioning program and then make the grade. It's a massive player and as someone said, where are The Liam Flahertys and Eamon Breens -that's the benchmark, need stature?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 16:26:29 GMT
Dara o Shea , Shane Murphy , Gavin White, Jason Foley, Tom o Sullivan , Patrick Clifford , Nathan Breen , Gavin Crowley , Barry o Sullivan , Brendan o Sullivan , Adrian Spillane , Daithi Casey , Brian o Seanachain , Killian Spillane , Conor Geaney , would be in the e
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 16:27:50 GMT
In the equation Mark Reen also
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2016 11:59:03 GMT
It would not hurt them to try a few different things too. I would like to see David Moran at full forward . Mark Griffin at center back. Paul Murphy back at wing back. Brendan O'Sullivan at midfield see how he goes with Maher next to him. Nathan Breen a shot at corner back. Dara O'Shea from Ballydonoghue a game in goals. Mark Reen at corner forward. Of course if the u21s and Crokes fellas are available some of them too.
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Post by Premier on Dec 31, 2016 12:10:36 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 1, 2017 10:47:10 GMT
Dara o Shea , Shane Murphy , Gavin White, Jason Foley, Tom o Sullivan , Patrick Clifford , Nathan Breen , Gavin Crowley , Barry o Sullivan , Brendan o Sullivan , Adrian Spillane , Daithi Casey , Brian o Seanachain , Killian Spillane , Conor Geaney , would be in the e I suppose not seeing them in the flesh I am at a disadvantage and have underestimated our Ballydonogue lads. If there is a widespread belief that Ballydonoghue have 3 of the starting 15 then I'd say there will be a few more pushing to get on the panel as there is a 'next 6' who would be breathing down the necks of Jason and Brian. We have a panel of 30, probably our all time best ever team. As I may have said before and what is remarkable, is the high percentage of great club players. So it is now a question of how many can make that's step up to county standard. The key difference is reading the game, basically anticipating what will happen next and positioning oneself accordingly. This was key to demolishing St Senans in the NK final so the signs are positive. Eamon Walsh on his is definitely one to watch out for and he was injured towards the end of the final, I'd also think that he was fatigued from all the dead ground he covered 7 days earlier.
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Post by lár na páirce on Jan 1, 2017 14:37:50 GMT
Looking forward to seeing who Fitzmaurice has in his plans for McGrath Cup.
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 2, 2017 0:22:56 GMT
Great to be into the new season and days from the first game. There are a few things I will be looking out for.
The transition is over. We have over 70 players with AI minor medals and players in their 20's, some proven like Geaney and O'Donoghue and others willing to do anything to prove themselves. Donaghy and Gooch will be the father figures. I don't see a role for Aidan. Management must be strong on this - a lot of great players before him had to swallow the bitter pill.
Over the last 2 years we had a combination of old and youth and the so called best Dublin team of all time only beat us by 3 pts and 2 pts. This year we can improve by a few points and that will make all the difference.
We must "begin as we mean to go on" so I hope to see a team that reflects that next weekend and I hope players get a full game even if they make mistakes. They have the talent but they must get the eperience and confidence to use it.
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Post by Chinatown on Jan 2, 2017 10:07:01 GMT
Will we see Tommy Walsh, saw him at park run few weeks back and looking fit?
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Post by Jigz84 on Jan 3, 2017 9:47:20 GMT
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Post by kerryexile on Jan 3, 2017 10:18:56 GMT
I wonder do any of the successful minors get to choose whether they want to be in the squad or not?
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Post by glengael on Jan 3, 2017 11:54:21 GMT
Don't know but to be fair none of the successful minors have, as yet, won 5 senior medals, 2 POTY awards, MOTM in an All Ireland etc,etc unlike the 3 gentlemen referred to above.
I like the fact there is a deadline so that there hopefully isn't this will they won't they carry on later in the Spring.....
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Post by givehimaball on Jan 3, 2017 13:03:24 GMT
Don't know but to be fair none of the successful minors have, as yet, won 5 senior medals, 2 POTY awards, MOTM in an All Ireland etc,etc unlike the 3 gentlemen referred to above. I like the fact there is a deadline so that there hopefully isn't this will they won't they carry on later in the Spring..... There was an article in the Indo about Cody and how he was the one to tell lads when their time was up. I can't help think that the language is just a bit wrong in this instance - should be far more along the lines of whether lads want to be considered for involvment rather than automatically assuming they are going to be selected for the squad. All 3 lads have given loads to Kerry but that doesn't give them any rights to a spot in the squad/on the bench over a 20/21/22 year old who is likely to offer Kerry more over the next 3/5/10 years. The fact that Eamonn soldiered with all 3 plus his past record in this regard - how many lads has he told their time with Kerry was done? - mean I'd prefer to be hearing some harsh/brutal language from Eamonn about this issue. There's a few more in the squad who would also look like this could be their last year given their ages - would be far better to have a couple go this year and a couple go next rather than 5/6/7 go in 9/10 months time.
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Post by Mickmack on Jan 3, 2017 13:29:37 GMT
Cody sends a text to his new panel at the start of each year. If you don't get a text you announce your retirement. Tis a bit dispassionate but I always preferred to see new blood coming through than veterans hanging on.
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