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Post by dbrown on Jul 3, 2016 19:39:20 GMT
Any news on Colm Cooper ??
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 3, 2016 20:10:06 GMT
That midfield wouldn't come within an asses roar of beating Dublin. Bryan Sheehan is a luxury player and Donaghy isn't mobile enough either. Sheehan should have gotten at least a yellow for persistent fouling.
Mark Griffin was toasted a few times and a better quality forward would have made hay against him today.
O Beaglaoich made a great start but was pole axed by the Tipp no17 and never seemed to physically recover after. He was quite impressive beforehand and has a great future in green n gold. Morley impressed me and was safe as houses in possession.
Kelly made a brilliant 2nd half save, however, his kick outs were poor and put us in trouble on numerous occasions. I couldn't understand why there was no Kerry player under Donaghy to pick up the breaking ball? I counted at least 4 occasions when this happened.
Where are we going playing O Mahony, Donaghy, Sheehan in positions that we know will be targeted by any team with a bit of pace? Surely there should be some forward thinking in terms of a future meeting with Dublin? I dread to think what they would do to us if we send out a team like later on. Mark Griffin looks like a guy crying out for midfield? Power, pace and aggression.
I'm even more confused about where we're going after today. I thought that there would have been a root and branch examination of every weakness, yet, our Achilles heel against Dublin, in both finals, midfield, has the same runners and riders. Croke park is no place for old limbs, it takes no prisoners.
Maybe the simple answer is that we simply don't have the players?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2016 20:18:30 GMT
job done is right. serious disrespect shown to Tipp, they beat cork a few weeks back and all of a sudden, they are a poor tier 3 team again. one thing Fitz has got wrong, is his complete dependance on the same players every year now. there should be more young lads in there. To call them a poor tier 3 team is not disrespect- it's a fact. They were game and good athletes but really lacking in basic skills- it's more patronising to tell them that they are something that they are not. Kerry were very poor today and the only really difference between us and a division 3 team was Geaney. I've been a big fitz fan and an willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here but if that's the best we can come up with tactically then we are in trouble. Our midfield lacks mobility, our defence has no stopper and is too open, we just don't have the backs to go man to man, and the half forward line is not suited to the modern game. Forget Dublin- most of the Ulster teams would have beaten us by double figures today. Throw up your best Kerry 15 and best setup to give Kerry their optimum chance of winning the Croker games.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2016 20:26:03 GMT
That midfield wouldn't come within an asses roar of beating Dublin. Bryan Sheehan is a luxury player and Donaghy isn't mobile enough either. Sheehan should have gotten at least a yellow for persistent fouling. Mark Griffin was toasted a few times and a better quality forward would have made hay against him today. O Beaglaoich made a great start but was pole axed by the Tipp no17 and never seemed to physically recover after. He was quite impressive beforehand and has a great future in green n gold. Morley impressed me and was safe as houses in possession. Kelly made a brilliant 2nd half save, however, his kick outs were poor and put us in trouble on numerous occasions. I couldn't understand why there was no Kerry player under Donaghy to pick up the breaking ball? I counted at least 4 occasions when this happened. Where are we going playing O Mahony, Donaghy, Sheehan in positions that we know will be targeted by any team with a bit of pace? Surely there should be some forward thinking in terms of a future meeting with Dublin? I dread to think what they would do to us if we send out a team like later on. Mark Griffin looks like a guy crying out for midfield? Power, pace and aggression. I'm even more confused about where we're going after today. I thought that there would have been a root and branch examination of every weakness, yet, our Achilles heel against Dublin, in both finals, midfield, has the same runners and riders. Croke park is no place for old limbs, it takes no prisoners. Maybe the simple answer is that we simply don't have the players? Or have the players to beat Dublin at the moment. Neither is the end of the world. Kerry won their 78 Munster final today by 10 points with a run of the mill workmanlike performance. The last three summers have been full of beacons at minor level. I'll sleep well tonight!
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 20:32:24 GMT
To call them a poor tier 3 team is not disrespect- it's a fact. They were game and good athletes but really lacking in basic skills- it's more patronising to tell them that they are something that they are not. Kerry were very poor today and the only really difference between us and a division 3 team was Geaney. I've been a big fitz fan and an willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here but if that's the best we can come up with tactically then we are in trouble. Our midfield lacks mobility, our defence has no stopper and is too open, we just don't have the backs to go man to man, and the half forward line is not suited to the modern game. Forget Dublin- most of the Ulster teams would have beaten us by double figures today. Throw up your best Kerry 15 and best setup to give Kerry their optimum chance of winning the Croker games. Only if Fitzmaurice does my job for me. I'll ignore the childishly antagonistic nature of your response and just answer with- it's his job to do so and not mine. I know I can't do it and that's why I'm not the Kerry manager- maybe if he can't either then the it should be the same
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 20:34:58 GMT
That midfield wouldn't come within an asses roar of beating Dublin. Bryan Sheehan is a luxury player and Donaghy isn't mobile enough either. Sheehan should have gotten at least a yellow for persistent fouling. Mark Griffin was toasted a few times and a better quality forward would have made hay against him today. O Beaglaoich made a great start but was pole axed by the Tipp no17 and never seemed to physically recover after. He was quite impressive beforehand and has a great future in green n gold. Morley impressed me and was safe as houses in possession. Kelly made a brilliant 2nd half save, however, his kick outs were poor and put us in trouble on numerous occasions. I couldn't understand why there was no Kerry player under Donaghy to pick up the breaking ball? I counted at least 4 occasions when this happened. Where are we going playing O Mahony, Donaghy, Sheehan in positions that we know will be targeted by any team with a bit of pace? Surely there should be some forward thinking in terms of a future meeting with Dublin? I dread to think what they would do to us if we send out a team like later on. Mark Griffin looks like a guy crying out for midfield? Power, pace and aggression. I'm even more confused about where we're going after today. I thought that there would have been a root and branch examination of every weakness, yet, our Achilles heel against Dublin, in both finals, midfield, has the same runners and riders. Croke park is no place for old limbs, it takes no prisoners. Maybe the simple answer is that we simply don't have the players? Maybe we don't but we need to stop doing the same thing with the same personnel as we know that defo doesn't work
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2016 20:37:43 GMT
Throw up your best Kerry 15 and best setup to give Kerry their optimum chance of winning the Croker games. Only if Fitzmaurice does my job for me. I'll ignore the childishly antagonistic nature of your response and just answer with- it's his job to do so and not mine. I know I can't do it and that's why I'm not the Kerry manager- maybe if he can't either then the it should be the same Its a simple question, throw up your best Kerry 15 and formation to give Kerry their optimum chance of winning the Croker games.
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Post by keane on Jul 3, 2016 20:41:23 GMT
I think the real thing to think about here is that for quite a long time now everyone in the country knows that we've needed to get better at the short kick out option, to reduce our susceptibility to runners through the middle and to inject mobility into the middle third.
At this stage of the Fitzmaurice project what progress has been made on these?
In many ways I think we're going backwards, and the continuing bizarro selection choices make it hard to stay on board.
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2016 20:45:43 GMT
I think the real thing to think about here is that for quite a long time now everyone in the country knows that we've needed to get better at the short kick out option, to reduce our susceptibility to runners through the middle and to inject mobility into the middle third. At this stage of the Fitzmaurice project what progress has been made on these? In many ways I think we're going backwards, and the continuing bizarro selection choices make it hard to stay on board. Fair enough Keane, but what setup/selection/format is going to change that with the available players?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 20:46:33 GMT
Only if Fitzmaurice does my job for me. I'll ignore the childishly antagonistic nature of your response and just answer with- it's his job to do so and not mine. I know I can't do it and that's why I'm not the Kerry manager- maybe if he can't either then the it should be the same Its a simple question, throw up your best Kerry 15 and formation to give Kerry their optimum chance of winning the Croker games. It was also a simple response- I'm not upto being an intercounty manager. I'd imagine we should have a lot mite pace in central areas and we shouldn't keep going with the same players who have proven that they can't beat Dublin. As I said your approach to this situation is extremely-it's not a case of I'm the alternative to Eamon if he was to be replaced as manager. Are you happy with today? Are you happy with our team selection? Do you think our midfield today is mobile enough to beat the dubs?
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2016 20:51:09 GMT
Its a simple question, throw up your best Kerry 15 and formation to give Kerry their optimum chance of winning the Croker games. It was also a simple response- I'm not upto being an intercounty manager. I'd imagine we should have a lot mite pace in central areas and we shouldn't keep going with the same players who have proven that they can't beat Dublin. As I said your approach to this situation is extremely-it's not a case of I'm the alternative to Eamon if he was to be replaced as manager. Are you happy with today? Are you happy with our team selection? Do you think our midfield today is mobile enough to beat the dubs? I don't think we have the players to beat the Dubs at the moment.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 20:57:14 GMT
It was also a simple response- I'm not upto being an intercounty manager. I'd imagine we should have a lot mite pace in central areas and we shouldn't keep going with the same players who have proven that they can't beat Dublin. As I said your approach to this situation is extremely-it's not a case of I'm the alternative to Eamon if he was to be replaced as manager. Are you happy with today? Are you happy with our team selection? Do you think our midfield today is mobile enough to beat the dubs? I don't think we have the players to beat the Dubs at the moment. Neither do I but we know that the players and system that we are currently picking definitely, 100% can't. So we should be trying something to freshen it up. As Keane pointed out- we have the same, very obvious, issues for a while now and are neither closer to solving them nor trying particularly hard to do so
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Post by kerrygold on Jul 3, 2016 21:01:40 GMT
I don't think we have the players to beat the Dubs at the moment. Neither do I but we know that the players and system that we are currently picking definitely, 100% can't. So we should be trying something to freshen it up. As Keane pointed out- we have the same, very obvious, issues for a while now and are neither closer to solving them nor trying particularly hard to do so Bar bringing in 5-6 u21s what are we going to freshen it up with? Maher, when fit, will be midfield, most likely partnered with one from three, maybe Buckley.
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Post by keane on Jul 3, 2016 21:03:28 GMT
Fair enough Keane, but what setup/selection/format is going to change that with the available players? I don't think the keepers available are incapable of learning how to kick the ball 30 yards to a teammate over the course of three years. I'm no coaching expert but I also imagine it's possible to find a system to cope a bit better with what is ultimately a second tier team running with the ball in hand. Every other top team eats players alive when they take the ball into contact. Look at how Dublin playing in second gear turned Meath players trying it at will. Tyrone the same, Mayo over the last couple of years better again at it. We're useless at it for some reason, and I don't really buy that our backs are individually worse than Mayo's or Tyrone's or Monaghan's or whoever. Mobility around the middle is a slightly more difficult one because it requires players with particular innate qualities, but when one fell into our laps in Brendan O'Sullivan we gave him ten minutes here and there when we should have been saying this guy could be the answer. Now, he's gotten injured since, but instead of embracing the obvious challenge to become more mobile around midfield the management come up with playing Donaghy there? I can't fathom that tbh. Sheehan equally bad if not more so. There's no point asking about what personnel we should switch to now because it's not possible to roll the dice to the extent we need to when your next game is the AIQF. We should have been trying things out to fix this glaring issue for the last two years. Griffin midfield and Crowley midfield are two reasonable suggestions I've heard made previously, but you're wasting your time trying it now. On a side note, I find it hard to believe that O'Brien and O'Sullivan are in the top five corner forwards in the county, never mind the best two on the panel.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 21:05:13 GMT
Neither do I but we know that the players and system that we are currently picking definitely, 100% can't. So we should be trying something to freshen it up. As Keane pointed out- we have the same, very obvious, issues for a while now and are neither closer to solving them nor trying particularly hard to do so Bar bringing in 5-6 u21s what are we going to freshen it up with? Maher, when fit, will be midfield, most likely partnered with one from three, maybe Buckley. Yeah- bring in the 21s, bring in some juniors, etc. We have been winning a lot at underage and club levels- why don't we bring these lads through? The 21s and minors are gona be the future anyway so why not bring them through now if we know that the present isn't gona cut it?
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 21:09:38 GMT
Fair enough Keane, but what setup/selection/format is going to change that with the available players? I don't think the keepers available are incapable of learning how to kick the ball 30 yards to a teammate over the course of three years. I'm no coaching expert but I also imagine it's possible to find a system to cope a bit better with what is ultimately a second tier team running with the ball in hand. Every other top team eats players alive when they take the ball into contact. Look at how Dublin playing in second gear turned Meath players trying it at will. Tyrone the same, Mayo over the last couple of years better again at it. We're useless at it for some reason, and I don't really buy that our backs are individually worse than Mayo's or Tyrone's or Monaghan's or whoever. Mobility around the middle is a slightly more difficult one because it requires players with particular innate qualities, but when one fell into our laps in Brendan O'Sullivan we gave him ten minutes here and there when we should have been saying this guy could be the answer. Now, he's gotten injured since, but instead of embracing the obvious challenge to become more mobile around midfield the management come up with playing Donaghy there? I can't fathom that tbh. Sheehan equally bad if not more so. There's no point asking about what personnel we should switch to now because it's not possible to roll the dice to the extent we need to when your next game is the AIQF. We should have been trying things out to fix this glaring issue for the last two years. Griffin midfield and Crowley midfield are two reasonable suggestions I've heard made previously, but you're wasting your time trying it now. On a side note, I find it hard to believe that O'Brien and O'Sullivan are in the top five corner forwards in the county, never mind the best two on the panel. On your 2 corner forwards point- I agree completely and really struggle to comprehend the continued selection.
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Post by southward on Jul 3, 2016 21:25:26 GMT
Thought Shane was very good today.
Traffic f*ckin horrendous again. Hour and ten mins from Farranfore to Killarney.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jul 3, 2016 22:15:45 GMT
Ambrose thought Bryan Sheehan put in a great shift today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 23:43:16 GMT
Paul Murphy has to go back to the backs. We need him in the half back line. 2 O'Beagaloich 3 Griffin 4 Young 5 Murphy 6 Enright 7 Crowley. Forget about Marc and O'Mahony at 36 they are both not going to make much of a difference now at this stage. Morley Lyne Podge O'Connor and I would bring Jason Foley on the panel. Hes playing well hes young and its time for youth. A good sub to have. I would bring Mark O'Connor in midfield along with Anthony Maher. O'Brien Cooper if fit and Buckley if fit. Its a joke that Daitih Casey is not on the panel. Darren Geaney and James O'Donoghue. Donaghy Sheehan Donnacha Moran off the bench. Fitzmaurice shows loyalty to certain players. Its going to hurt himself and this team in the end.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jul 3, 2016 23:48:10 GMT
We won by 10 points but were far from convincing. A lot of basic errors still being made by the same players.
That being said, to be positive for a second, I'm going to just put it out there. Jim McGuinness stated that two teams, Kerry and Mayo, had the time to work on specific game plans for Dublin. Is it possible that Kerry are doing just that and none of this is being revealed in a dead rubber game like we had today? Kerry did not play particularly good but still won comfortably.
If Donaghy and Sheehan start midfield against Dublin I will eat my hat. Maybe the day we do play Dublin The team will execute a battle plan that will include a mobile, pacy midfield like Crowley/Griffin and will carry the day? Or am I deluded? ?
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Post by baurtregaum on Jul 3, 2016 23:52:29 GMT
Paul Murphy has to go back to the backs. We need him in the half back line. 2 O'Beagaloich 3 Griffin 4 Young 5 Murphy 6 Enright 7 Crowley. Forget about Marc and O'Mahony at 36 they are both not going to make much of a difference now at this stage. Morley Lyne Podge O'Connor and I would bring Jason Foley on the panel. Hes playing well hes young and its time for youth. A good sub to have. I would bring Mark O'Connor in midfield along with Anthony Maher. O'Brien Cooper if fit and Buckley if fit. Its a joke that Daitih Casey is not on the panel. Darren Geaney and James O'Donoghue. Donaghy Sheehan Donnacha Moran off the bench. Fitzmaurice shows loyalty to certain players. Its going to hurt himself and this team in the end. Murphy ended up back there at one stage in the second half as Tipp were running through. We are robbing Peter to pay Paul with that strategy
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Post by beantownfan on Jul 4, 2016 2:23:27 GMT
I suppose had we beaten Cork by 10 points we'd be a bit more happy? I think it is a bit condescending to be moaning that Tipp are only a Div 3 team. They dispatched of Cork, and I know Cork are pretty disjointed, but had Cork beaten Tipp by a point or two they'd have come into the Munster final with a certain level of expectation. I thought it funny in the analysis that O'Rourke was on about the need for a two tier championship and when challenged about who would beat Tipp in the qualifiers they struggled to think of examples (Monaghan and a couple others... it is not like they had 10 examples that rolled off the tongue).. I agree with baurtregaum.. I would hope that there is some strategy being formulated for midfield.. If we keep the current strategy against Dublin (if we get that far) we will get roasted.. Great the see Geaney making hay, hopefully he can keep that form.. Any word on the Gooch?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 4, 2016 7:20:36 GMT
Hard to play well against a team who are really way off the mark. You could now argue that "the next 3-4" (i.e. Mayo, Tyrone/Donegal and ourselves) are now two steps away from the Dubs, then again sports teaches lots of harsh lessons.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 4, 2016 7:53:43 GMT
We won by 10 points but were far from convincing. A lot of basic errors still being made by the same players. That being said, to be positive for a second, I'm going to just put it out there. Jim McGuinness stated that two teams, Kerry and Mayo, had the time to work on specific game plans for Dublin. Is it possible that Kerry are doing just that and none of this is being revealed in a dead rubber game like we had today? Kerry did not play particularly good but still won comfortably. If Donaghy and Sheehan start midfield against Dublin I will eat my hat. Maybe the day we do play Dublin The team will execute a battle plan that will include a mobile, pacy midfield like Crowley/Griffin and will carry the day? Or am I deluded? ? Whenever Kerry play bad- the idea that we are working on some kind of "scheme" always pops up- maybe we just played crap because we got it wrong both in selection and tactically.
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Post by yourholiness on Jul 4, 2016 8:02:47 GMT
As a biased outsider ( Dublin) it's hard to draw too much from the performance but a couple of things struck me ;
Kerry forwards were very good in the tackle and remorseless in pressurising emerging Tipp backs . This put pressure on Tipp short kickout and this could be something that's been worked on with Dublin in mind .
I don't subscribe to Liston's concern that Tipp ran down the middle like a knife through butter . It didn't happen often enough in this match for it to be flagged as an issue so just a case of Liston carrying over a bit of confirmation bias from the league final perhaps. I actually thought they held the middle well and forced Tipp out wide or slowed their attacks by standing up to them .
I don't get the Sheehan/ Donaghy pairing . This is surely with a view to some kind of ploy later in the summer . Sheehan looked jaded.
Kelly has brilliant reflexes . Less effective when facing inbound runner but very good nonetheless.
Hard to garner too much other than Kerry skill set is well ahead of Tipp's and Kerry forward unit will be great when they click .
But we knew that already .
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Post by kerryexile on Jul 4, 2016 8:42:29 GMT
I would agree with baurtregaum – I think this is a work in progress and very little is being revealed.
So generally I would not be too worried about yesterday except for a few issues.
I thought Mark O’Connor should have been listed in the subs and give a full 20 minutes in the second half. We would then have a line of O’Beaglaoich, O’Connor and Morley in the engine room. That would be developing a good blend of talented youth which is exactly what we want.
Griffin is ball winner but is not a marker so if he gets out in front of his man he will win the ball. If he stays behind and lets his man win possession he finds it almost impossible to recover.
O’Brien must stay on the team – his amazing pace caused panic for Dublin in the league final. Couple of times he got a ball about 45 metres out and before Dublin could think he was on the 21 and got a couple of good points.
I don’t agree with Ambrose about Sheehan. He was jogging slowly towards balls in front of me and couldn’t speed up to prevent them going over the sideline.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jul 4, 2016 9:01:05 GMT
I would agree with baurtregaum – I think this is a work in progress and very little is being revealed. So generally I would not be too worried about yesterday except for a few issues. I thought Mark O’Connor should have been listed in the subs and give a full 20 minutes in the second half. We would then have a line of O’Beaglaoich, O’Connor and Morley in the engine room. That would be developing a good blend of talented youth which is exactly what we want. Griffin is ball winner but is not a marker so if he gets out in front of his man he will win the ball. If he stays behind and lets his man win possession he finds it almost impossible to recover. O’Brien must stay on the team – his amazing pace caused panic for Dublin in the league final. Couple of times he got a ball about 45 metres out and before Dublin could think he was on the 21 and got a couple of good points. I don’t agree with Ambrose about Sheehan. He was jogging slowly towards balls in front of me and couldn’t speed up to prevent them going over the sideline. I agree and fail to see how anyone could think that Sheehan played well yesterday. Ambrose often throws out utter rubbish on the radio.
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Post by veteran on Jul 4, 2016 9:31:14 GMT
When you win a Munster Final by ten points you should come home with a spring in your step but I returned with an empty, unfulfilled feeling. Perhaps, this was due to the fact that Cork were absent, more likely it was due the question which currently envelops us. Would we pass the Dublin test? On the basis of our two championship games we are further away than last year from surmounting that obstacle. Indeed at this stage I doubt that we would pass the Tyrone,Donegal,Mayo or even the Monaghan test. We seem to be regressing. Yesterday's display was too ragged, too patchy to offer any evidence to the contrary. The painful, demoralising aspect is that we do not seem to have addressed the facets of our game which have left us in the lurch in recent times. On the other hand, maybe they have been addressed but the remedies are not to be found.
All members of that Kerry defence are fine footballers. There is no doubting that. But why is it that as a collective they take on so much water? When players carry the ball into massed defences like Dublin, Donegal, Tyrone etc they are smothered and dismembered, legitimately apparently. When they run at our defence they either scythe through unmolested or we concede juvenile, sloppy frees. Is it because we do not have the physical power to stop these runners or is itt that they are not being coached on how to defend efficiently. Goodness knows it wasn't because we did not have sufficient numbers back. In the first half it was truly embarrassing to witness, at times,the entire Kerry team inside their own half against a team as limited as Tipperary. Imagine Paul Geaney, irrepressible as he was, back beyond his own midfield? Shades of Colm Cooper in last year's final. Never again I thought after that fiasco but alas not. In fairness, that travesty was less obvious in the second half.
I would imagine that are very few people in this county who, at the start of the year, would nominate KD and Bryan Sheehan as our championship midfield. I bow to nobody in my admiration for KD. He has been one of the most effective and inspiring Kerry footballers that I have seen but even at his peak one would never have regarded him as intercounty midfielder. I know that EF has been compromised over injuries in this area but surely he must realise that the gallant KD is not the answer to this problem. Where to accommodate him, I am not sure. Ditto Bryan Sheehan. One wonders if he has the mobility for this position. If not, where then? Can we afford to do without those booming, long range frees? CHF? FF? Could those possible moves not have been more experimented with during the NFL? Management stand seriously indicted in the way Brendan O'Sullivan was treated during the NFL. I know that, unfortunately, he is not available now but surely he should have had a few starts during the NFL. This reluctance to expose him to more serious game time revealed an innate conservatism on the part of management which now sees the chickens coming home to roost with an over reliance on soldiers from battles fought long ago. Anthony Maher is our top midfielder. Why did he not get more game time yesterday? I simply do not know who should partner him.
We continue to shortchange ourselves in the deployment of our attackers. Irrespective of the composition I feel we have the personnel to assemble an attack as good as any in the country. However, we continue to fiddle faddle with the ball out the field, we continue to allow our main scorers to wander away from the shooting gallery, we continue to make inappropriate use of the high ball- kicking it into a lone attacker surrounded by two defenders- and we continue to witness a lack of movement/running off the shoulder.
Reading back over the above depresses me but we have to judge ourselves by the highest standards. The standard which would enable us to win the All-Ireland, That is the only standard for Kerry. If yesterday's win was an end in itself then my report would be different. But it amounts to only to climbing a hill while the McGillicuddy Reeks loom in our path.
Reassuring points from the game? All I will say about Paul Geaney is may God ensure that he remains injury free for the rest if the year. Shane Enright continued his top form from the Clare game after having a poor NFL. Killian Young played Peter Austin off the field, a player who has often been a menace for Kerry in the past. Mark Griffin dealt well with that immaculate footballer, Michael Quinlivan. Newcomers Tadhg Morley and Brian o'Beaglaoich, until he was discommoded by a kidney punch while setting up the goal for Paul Murphy. In the context of these two boys isn't it a shame that Brendan O'Sullivan and Alan Fitzgerald are currently injured. We desperately need the infusion of their youthful vigour. Paul Murphy? Some people are raving about , in particular, his first half display. It would be churlish to argue otherwise. However, in view of the porous nature of our defence this most notorious of pickpocket is needed back there. Brian Kelly made a miraculous save in the second half.Shortly after conceding the second goal he had a couple of dodgy kicks out. My advice for goalies after conceding a goal: go long with the next few kicksout to settle the nerves! Of course, Bryan continues to uplift those frees.
P.S. I was amazed that the Munster Final was a mere postscript to the Sunday Game last night. I did not time it but it appeared to me that there was less than five minutes of actual play shown, at the end of the show no less. I am also annoyed by this planting of a camogie segment in the middle of the show. I have nothing at all against ladies football and camogie, indeed I think it is wonderful that women are catered for in the sporting sphere. I would go further and suggest that these two sports should have their own weekly programme. What I object to is being a force fed a diet of camogie.
P.P.S. I had serious issues with David Gough after the Kerry/Cork NFL game. Apart from one or two weird decisions, most notably Jonathan Lyne being penalised after getting a thump in the abdomen followed up a slap in the puss for good meaure, he refereed it sensibly and fairly. Alan Kissane was equally impressive in the minor game.
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Post by derry4sam on Jul 4, 2016 9:34:45 GMT
I would agree with baurtregaum – I think this is a work in progress and very little is being revealed. So generally I would not be too worried about yesterday except for a few issues. I thought Mark O’Connor should have been listed in the subs and give a full 20 minutes in the second half. We would then have a line of O’Beaglaoich, O’Connor and Morley in the engine room. That would be developing a good blend of talented youth which is exactly what we want. Griffin is ball winner but is not a marker so if he gets out in front of his man he will win the ball. If he stays behind and lets his man win possession he finds it almost impossible to recover. O’Brien must stay on the team – his amazing pace caused panic for Dublin in the league final. Couple of times he got a ball about 45 metres out and before Dublin could think he was on the 21 and got a couple of good points. I don’t agree with Ambrose about Sheehan. He was jogging slowly towards balls in front of me and couldn’t speed up to prevent them going over the sideline. Mark O'Connor is injured I believe.
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Post by buck02 on Jul 4, 2016 10:22:00 GMT
A few points.
Mark O Connor played in the U21 championship last week so I dont think he is injured.
We need to decent Cork team to drive us on - yesterday proved that.
I hope Eamonn Fitz has something up his sleeve for the last weekend in August. There was shadow boxing about yesterday I felt.
The assertion here than Steven O Brien isnt one of the top 5 corner forwards in the county is crazy.
Some people here totally overrate Brendan O Sullivan.
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