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Post by inchperfect on Jul 1, 2016 12:22:35 GMT
Drive forward. Thats something Sheahan was unable to do in the league final and I dont see it happening the next time we meet Dublin either. He simply dies not have the legs to trouble Dublins athletic and marauding talents. We are completely deluding ourselves to think otherwise. In his defence, I dont think any midfield combo of the big boned units - Maher, Moran, Buckley, Sheahan, Donaghy - will give us the requisite mobility to cope with Dublins running game and/or to trouble Dublin going the other way. If the last 2 or 3 games against them have told us anything, it is just that. Who knows, maybe Tipp will win Sunday and a spanner may be thrown in the works..... To be fair I think he put most of his efforts into club football with the run St. Mary's were on so he was a bit burnt out during the league. He's had 1 inter county game in 2 and a half months since so you'd assume he's fresh at the moment. "Driving forward" were the wrong words to use, I didn't mean doing a Michael Dara MacAuley on it and bursting through with powerful runs, I meant generally Sheehan plays from the midfield up rather than from the midfield back. Having Maher and Moran behind him would allow him to do that.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jul 1, 2016 20:26:41 GMT
Team unchanged - JOD on the bench. Interesting to see how long that midfield lasts.
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Post by ballynamona on Jul 1, 2016 20:31:29 GMT
That is a strong looking bench, I notice Mark O'Connor is outside the 26. Would be great to see him in next year's NFL.
I'm glad the new defenders are being persisted with.
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Post by Seoirse Ui Duic on Jul 1, 2016 20:43:49 GMT
Kerry Senior Football Team V Tipperary Munster Championship Final The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Tipperary in the Munster Senior Football Final at Fitzgerald Stadium on Sunday is unchanged from the side that started against Clare in the semi final. In the subs, Aidan O’Mahony returns after suspension and James O’Donoghue returns to the match day squad for the first time since last year’s All Ireland Final. The team, captained by Bryan Sheehan is as follows: 1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 2. Shane Enright Tarbert 3. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore 4. Killian Young Renard 5. Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht 6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers 7. Tadhg Morley Templenoe 8. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 9. Bryan Sheehan (C) St Marys 10. Paul Murphy Rathmore 11. Colm Cooper Dr Crokes 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane 13. Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar 14. Paul Geaney Dingle 15. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare Fir Ionaid: 16. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 17. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 18. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 19. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 20. Michael Geaney Dingle 21. Anthony Maher Duagh 22. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 23. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore 24. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion 25. Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes 26. Padraig O’Connor Killarney Legion Bainisteóir: Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge) Róghnóirí: Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle), Mikey Sheehy (Austin Stacks), Padraig Corcoran (Dingle), Liam Hassett (Laune Rangers).
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Post by natrachtalai on Jul 1, 2016 23:12:20 GMT
Sorry. Probably got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning and annoyed at not being able to travel myself. I think it's great that you will be trebling your core support and their will always be maniacs like ourselves who travel to every godforsaken hole in the hedge to support our teams. You probably would have got an extra 400 too with more beds available. Hope you enjoy the game (but not too much!) You've heard of ultra marathon runners or just ultra distance runners. Well, WayUp is an Ultra driver, there will be no matching him. Antrim to Kerry and back for a league match is just one story . So you can see the thinking behind folks not willing to travel from Tipp is mind boggling for him. It would be barely if at all acceptable if you were cycling. Only if ye had to walk would he relent Seriously, I'm shocked at the low support numbers, hurling county or not. A Provincial title in context in the first time in 80 years is a monster carrot. A passionate supporter . I like that !!!. Round trip from Antrim to Kerry is fair dedication. Every county has them thank God. Of course it would be great to see buses travel on Sunday and a huge Tipp crowd but it just doesn't happen. Peter Acheson has said that he as a player he accepts it as they need to deliver against the Cork and Kerry's before they earn the support. That seems harsh but probably true. There is also the financial end of things. A couple travel on Sunday will pay €70 for stand tkts and maybe the same again in Limerick a week later. That's costly and not a bit or sup got yet !!!. So there are factors that work against our footballers. On the plus side of it I suppose is that after the Cork game on the field the vast majority of people celebrating knew eachother and the players knew most of the well wishers. Some day we may expand our support base but not on Sunday I am afraid. Heading down tomorrow and it would be great to have a great Tipp corwd around but as far as I can make out many are staying in Tralee or elsewhere due to the lack of space in Killarney. I don't expect Tipp to win but I think maybe Paddy Power has the spread bet wrong at 10 points. I expect us to be a little closer.
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Post by natrachtalai on Jul 1, 2016 23:14:42 GMT
Personally I have travelled to Enniskillen, Longford, Drogheda and a few others to see Tipp play and a trip won't stop the hardcore supporters> all I was saying that the hardcore support of maybe 300 will stretch to maybe 1,000 on Sunday. Now throw in the option of a night in Killarney (a wonderful town) and maybe we would bring 13 or 14 hundred. Not to worry we will travel and enjoy. We always do did any of the hurlers or the lads abroad return to the fold after beating cork I was listening to Journalist Damien Lawlor on the radio after that game. He said that about 2000 support Tipp ootballers and the pick is from something similar. .i think he was giving a hand out in the background in recent years I am not aware of any returns or additions to the panel. Damien has helped out with the phsycology stuff.
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Post by Fado on Jul 2, 2016 0:34:51 GMT
Anyone able to advise on this? The link is good - what message/error mesage are you getting? Thanks for the reply. Not getting any message, just that no Email arrives, same thing if I gift it to someone else.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jul 2, 2016 3:13:07 GMT
Brendan O Sullivan is listed as a longterm injury That's a great pity , was looking forward to seeing more of him this year. Great minds think alike and I thought we had another Micko here, his late development combined with his robustness and agility is what got me going, ah maybe that the combination was so unusual was also a factor? I scent though that overall something tasty is cooking, and it ain't burnt buns, us poets would have good auld snouts!
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Post by Premier on Jul 2, 2016 7:13:35 GMT
Kerry Senior Football Team V Tipperary Munster Championship Final The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Tipperary in the Munster Senior Football Final at Fitzgerald Stadium on Sunday is unchanged from the side that started against Clare in the semi final. In the subs, Aidan O’Mahony returns after suspension and James O’Donoghue returns to the match day squad for the first time since last year’s All Ireland Final. The team, captained by Bryan Sheehan is as follows: 1. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion 2. Shane Enright Tarbert 3. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore 4. Killian Young Renard 5. Brian Ó Beaglaoich An Ghaeltacht 6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers 7. Tadhg Morley Templenoe 8. Kieran Donaghy Austin Stacks 9. Bryan Sheehan (C) St Marys 10. Paul Murphy Rathmore 11. Colm Cooper Dr Crokes 12. Donnchadh Walsh Cromane 13. Darran O’Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar 14. Paul Geaney Dingle 15. Stephen O’Brien Kenmare Fir Ionaid: 16. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin 17. David Moran Kerins O’Rahillys 18. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht 19. Barry John Keane Kerins O’Rahillys 20. Michael Geaney Dingle 21. Anthony Maher Duagh 22. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion 23. Aidan O’Mahony Rathmore 24. James O’Donoghue Killarney Legion 25. Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes 26. Padraig O’Connor Killarney Legion Bainisteóir: Eamonn Fitzmaurice (Finuge) Róghnóirí: Diarmuid Murphy (Dingle), Mikey Sheehy (Austin Stacks), Padraig Corcoran (Dingle), Liam Hassett (Laune Rangers). Shame they didn't post an update on the injured players. Hopefully someone will get that information in the near future
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jul 2, 2016 8:46:55 GMT
What sort of attendance are we expecting tomorrow? 20,000 ?
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jul 2, 2016 9:54:16 GMT
The link is good - what message/error mesage are you getting? Thanks for the reply. Not getting any message, just that no Email arrives, same thing if I gift it to someone else. Check your spam it might be in there.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 2, 2016 13:06:58 GMT
Peter Canavan
One of my earliest encounters with Kerry does not bring back happy memories, but I suppose I'm not alone there.
It's Croke Park, August 1988. I am supposedly the leading light in the Tyrone attack against Kerry in an All-Ireland minor semi-final. There's nothing between the teams, but we trail by a point as the game enters injury-time and we are awarded a free.
The kick is around the '45' and I step up to take it (they were all from the ground back then, remember). After a ding-dong tussle for an hour, on the biggest pitch in the country I'm weary but I put down the ball and give it everything.
The kick sails straight and true towards the Hill 16 goal, but as she nears her intended target, she loses altitude at an alarming rate and a Kerry jersey plucks the ball from under the crossbar. The final whistle blows and I'm shattered - for a Tyrone footballer back then, there was no guarantee whatsoever you'd get back to Croke Park ever again.
Fast-forward two years and we cross swords again. This time it's the All-Ireland U-21 final in Mullingar for what is a belter of a game. The ball moves up and down the field like there's no tomorrow, but they have Maurice Fitzgerald in his majestic pomp and we come out on the wrong side of a 5-12 to 2-11 scoreline. A fella by the name of Billy O'Sullivan scored four goals for them on a day that he'll never forget.
Twelve months later, we end up in the same final, but it's different for us this time. We are on a mission and from the moment the ball is thrown in, we just storm into overdrive. Non-stop. It's champagne football all the way - and all from Tyrone! At the end, people have to take a second look at the scoreline that reads: Tyrone 4-16, Kerry 1-5.
You can only imagine how big a win this was for us as a county. Winning our first All-Ireland U-21 title, and not just beating the 'masters' in the final, but annihilating them. It was a huge lift to our confidence: we could compete at the highest level and we also learned that lads playing in green and gold jerseys were human after all.
The following year, we met in the All-Ireland U-21 semi-final and we beat them again, before going on to successfully defend our title in the final against Galway.
These victories ultimately laid the foundations for what would happen the following decade because, for me anyway, it underlined that Tyrone could produce footballers capable of beating the very best. This wasn't just a 'bad harvest' of Kerry U-21 teams that we had beaten - the likes of Billy O'Shea, Pa Laide and Seamus Moynihan would all go on to win senior medals with them.
I still have Moynihan's jersey from that '92 semi-final (he was playing midfield) and it's a treasured memento in our house. Kerry football has always been treasured in these parts.
For a young lad like me growing up in Tyrone during the '70s and '80s, it was the great Kerry team of that era who you looked up to.
When you went down to the field to kick a ball - and in your head you were actually in Croke Park - you pretended that you were Mikey Sheehy, John Egan or Pat Spillane (unfortunately, I was always too small to even pretend I was 'Bomber' Liston!). There was an aura about them. Your dream was to be as good as a Kerry footballer.
There has been a lot said and written about the Kerry-Tyrone rivalry of the 'noughties', and lines were crossed by both sides during that period, but I believe that when both sets of players look back now, there is a mutual respect. But by God, did we have to work to earn that respect.
Obviously, our victory over them in the 2003 All-Ireland semi-final was something Kerry folk struggled with. They hadn't seen it coming and the team hadn't either as they were caught cold by our level of intensity, and aggression, that day.
From a Tyrone perspective, it really was a monumental victory to our psyche. The players - most of whom had already won All-Ireland minor and U-21 medals under Mickey Harte - were making a statement: yes, Kerry football is the pinnacle, but we are going to knock ye off your perch and there'll be no bowing on bended knee anymore.
An edge, and a bitter one at that, developed between the teams, yet our All-Ireland meeting in 2005 was a magnificent game of football - arguably the best final this century. A lot of players played well on both sides. I remember Darragh Ó Sé was immense for them in midfield, but the most important thing was that we won. Just as it was in 2008 when Tyrone came out on top again.
Yet, the old saying about learning more in defeat than victory was never more apparent than four years later. The counties renewed rivalry in a qualifier in Killarney and Kerry won well. But you'd swear they had just won the All-Ireland from the way their players celebrated on the pitch afterwards. This was proof to us of how much we had succeeded in getting under their skin. Also that evening, Kerry supporters applauded Mickey on his way to the dressing-room - that public expression of recognition meant a lot to him and everyone involved in Tyrone football.
This Sunday, Tipperary footballers need to take a leaf out of the Tyrone book and try not be over-awed by the occasion of a Munster final in Killarney or the sight of the green and gold jerseys. It's a huge ask and for all the confidence that their deserved win over Cork will give them, they don't have their opponents' experience or strength in depth. The absence of last year's outstanding U-21 midfield partnership of Steven O'Brien (hurling) and Colin O'Riordan (Aussie Rules) is a huge blow - hopefully, they will return in the near future.
From a Kerry viewpoint, I will be interested in a number of things. The likelihood is that Kerry and Dublin will meet in an All-Ireland semi-final this year, so Eamonn Fitzmaurice will probably be contemplating some form of 'sweeper' role, which I'd expect to be given to either Marc Ó Sé or Aidan O'Mahony.
There's also the 'Paul Murphy dilemma' to consider. The 2014 All-Star wing-back has being operating in the half-forward line this year and while there was a degree of success in the League final against Dublin (in that he brought Cian O'Sullivan out of his comfort zone at stages), I feel the team is better served in the momentum he provides as an attacking half-back.
I also believe they need Kieran Donaghy closer to goal and not exhausting himself around the midfield. That means the likes of David Moran, Bryan Sheehan and Anthony Maher need to be fighting to get hold of those centrefield jerseys.
Having Donaghy hovering in front of goal gives defenders more than just their man to think about. His presence around the square should cause disruption and create more opportunities, allowing Colm Cooper and Paul Geaney to show their quality in front of goal. The imminent return of James O'Donoghue is another good reason to have Donaghy in there making a nuisance of himself.
As a son of a good Tyrone man, isn't he bred to get under the opposition's skin!
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Post by baurtregaum on Jul 2, 2016 15:07:48 GMT
This thread seems a bit slack for the day before a Munster Final. I would echo the other posts here in that hopefully the new defenders continue to bed in and do well for us.
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Post by misteallaigh abú on Jul 2, 2016 20:48:45 GMT
Kerry should win comfortably. Tipperary just don't have enough quality to beat Kerry. What will we learn from tomorrow's game? Not a whole pile, it's division 3 opposition, so, looking further down the road, this game will be of little relevance.
I still think our biggest issue is around the middle. We don't have pace there. We didn't have it last September, nor in the league final and it looks like we are shaping up the same way for the probable meeting with Dublin in August. We got burned each time because we opted for traditional fielders around the middle and Dublin exploited it, as they did when they ran the legs off Aidan O Shea 3 years or so ago. I thought that the management would surely have tried to inject a serious bit of pace around the centre, the likes of Mark Griffin maybe? I really hope that there is something different planned long term but based on the Clare game and tomorrow, I fear that we will end up doing the same thing with the same result.
I will hit the road early in the morning. Normally I'm excited by the Munster football final. No offence but it's a pity it isn't Cork. The championship this year has been even worse than previous years. For the first time in my life, last week, I changed the channel over to a soccer match last weekend because the football on view was so awful. I hope tomorrow is a good spectacle, I can't see it myself but sure we live in hope
Safe travel to all tomorrow, Ciarraí abú.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 13:27:02 GMT
Sheehan just fouling he can run no pace he's a complete joke
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 13:28:35 GMT
Sheehan just fouling he cant run no pace he's a complete joke
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 13:53:44 GMT
Sheehan just fouling he cant run no pace he's a complete joke Doesn't have the athleticism to play midfield at this level- today he just seems lazy. His non attempt to reach back after a pass to him had been intercepted at the end of the first half was pitiful- it was like a lad doing a training drill, poorly
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Post by keane on Jul 3, 2016 13:55:49 GMT
There's more passengers than Sheehan out there.
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Post by KY50 on Jul 3, 2016 13:56:34 GMT
Total lack of balance on RTE commentary re KY fouling. Every team in the country is doing it when required
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 13:57:45 GMT
There's more passengers than Sheehan out there. There are, for sure. My worry about o brien at this level is backed up nearly everytime I see him. Real lack of intensity in that first half and teams being able to run straight through us is too long a problem
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 13:59:47 GMT
By the way- Tipp are a poor, poor footballing team. Basic skills are very lacking- good athletes and not much more
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 14:13:03 GMT
Donnacha having an absolute stinker aswell- we badly need to freshen up our forward options
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Post by Kingdomson on Jul 3, 2016 15:17:59 GMT
Job done! Congratulations to the Kerry team and management in securing yet another Munster title. Marvellous result for our minors as well, so all in all, a good day at the office for Kerry.
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Post by homerj on Jul 3, 2016 15:48:39 GMT
job done is right.
serious disrespect shown to Tipp, they beat cork a few weeks back and all of a sudden, they are a poor tier 3 team again.
one thing Fitz has got wrong, is his complete dependance on the same players every year now. there should be more young lads in there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 15:51:30 GMT
Again Kerry looked really vulnerable when Tipp ran at them. They gave away two bad goals. Crowley was a big loss. We have good forwards.We need a new midfield and changes in the backs. Croke Park is a big open field we can't go up there with this same team and expect to win. Dublin would have hammered Kerry today if they were playing them.
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Post by fg on Jul 3, 2016 16:03:11 GMT
Joe Brolly at it again and I know I shouldn't be giving him publicity but he is infuriating, the guy has a serious chip on his shoulder and for what ever reason he projects it on our county, he is pathetic at this stage, anyway with regard to the substantive issue which was the football, congratulations to the minor team, what a magnificent victory against a serious Cork outfit, in two to three years these guys allied to the players involved in the last two years are going to form another great Kerry team and another successful era in Kerry football. Well done to the Kerry senior team, I felt Donnacha Walsh and Aiden o Mahoney were invisible today, midfield will have to be looked at, too pedestrian, however we have the players to come on and make a difference, the goal for this Kerry team will be to achieve a competitive midfield, a system to keep Cian o Sullivan honest and philly McMahon in check, so no pressure then.
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Post by kerrybhoy06 on Jul 3, 2016 16:47:50 GMT
job done is right. serious disrespect shown to Tipp, they beat cork a few weeks back and all of a sudden, they are a poor tier 3 team again. one thing Fitz has got wrong, is his complete dependance on the same players every year now. there should be more young lads in there. To call them a poor tier 3 team is not disrespect- it's a fact. They were game and good athletes but really lacking in basic skills- it's more patronising to tell them that they are something that they are not. Kerry were very poor today and the only really difference between us and a division 3 team was Geaney. I've been a big fitz fan and an willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here but if that's the best we can come up with tactically then we are in trouble. Our midfield lacks mobility, our defence has no stopper and is too open, we just don't have the backs to go man to man, and the half forward line is not suited to the modern game. Forget Dublin- most of the Ulster teams would have beaten us by double figures today.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 17:31:56 GMT
I totaly agree with that kerrybhoy. I think Fitzmaurice did a good job in 2014 but we did get lucky to do it. Dublin got knocked out and Mayo could have beaten us but they won it. Since then I think in a way it's been backwards. I thought in 2014 we would go and get better and bring in more young fellas but I think we have not gotten much better. If Kerry get hammered by Dublin which I think is on the cards it will come up if he should stay on. He is not as good a reader of the game as I thought he was.
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Post by givehimaball on Jul 3, 2016 17:34:22 GMT
I thought Donnacha had a very decent game- He got through an amount of water-carrying work, covering acres of ground and was constantly getting in good positions and offering himself as a free man in space option for the man in possession - I'd have him as among Kerry's top performers today.
Midfield a massive concern - Donaghy got through a lot of work but most of it seemed to be away from the midfield sector, Sheehan had a horrorshow in general play imo and I was wondering how he stayed on so long until Moran came out and was also woeful (and he doesn't have Sheehan freetaking to compensate) When Maher came on for the last 5 minutes he looked just slight less rusty than he did in the Clare game.
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Post by greengold35 on Jul 3, 2016 18:35:28 GMT
Serious questions remain for management after today , main one being our midfield - why are we persisting with two immobile big men ? Sheehan was anonymous, not able to get around the pitch and lazy in possession. In their prime , neither of today's starters could play inter county midfield! We must look at our team structure because if the current set up is what we face off against Dublin in August with, we will be annihilated.
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