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Post by Mickmack on Jun 28, 2016 22:49:15 GMT
I would start Kieran donaghy in this particular game tips midfeild is fast and he won't keep up with them Jonathan Lyne is inexperienced I would put Shane no 4 and thadg Morley 2 and Shane 4 leaving out Jonathan Lyne is hardly more inexperienced than Morely.. Also on that team I would be absolutely shocked if Sheehan didn't start. He's captain and I think that's enough for get him to get onto the team for a Munster Champ game. Things might change as we progress could you explain that logic....
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Post by Premier on Jun 29, 2016 8:10:11 GMT
Lyne is hardly more inexperienced than Morely.. Also on that team I would be absolutely shocked if Sheehan didn't start. He's captain and I think that's enough for get him to get onto the team for a Munster Champ game. Things might change as we progress could you explain that logic.... Without wanting to be politically correct and say that Tipperary have just as good a chance as anyone to beat Kerry, realistically they don't and I don't think Fitzmaurice will want the agro it was cause by dropping his captain. Sheehan is a Munster Championship player and I'm sure will stay in the team
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 29, 2016 8:49:23 GMT
Kerry have one objective this year – win the All Ireland. To do that they must beat Dublin in the semi so Eamonn has to be gearing training towards that game. For that reason I don’t see the team peaking for next Sunday. They will win but not by a lot.
They will be preparing 2 or 3 game plans (for the AI series) and deciding on the players to carry them out. A basic requirement will be to stop players running. For that reason I don’t see any roles for Young or Fitzgerald so I don’t expect to see them on Sunday.
Aidan O’Mahony was sent off against Dublin in AI Final and NL Final and couldn’t play county championship this year because of a sending off last year – 3 clear indications that he gets frustrated because he cannot deliver like he used to. I don’t expect to see him either.
Surprisingly, even though he is not an instinctive defender Lyne’s running ability could get him a place. I would like to see 1 or 2 young defenders tried too.
At midfield we need speed. I don’t think Mark O’Connor is ready to start yet, so even though he is not a midfielder Brendan O’Sullivan’s speed and strength must be harnessed in this area at some stage. Moran must turn possession into attacks.
The forwards almost pick themselves – I hope Alan Fitzgerald plays a part.
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Post by Fado on Jun 29, 2016 9:49:14 GMT
Just seen this for people who are living abroad seems you can watch the game for free on GAAGO GAAGO @gaago FREE GAME WORLDWIDE: Watch Kerry v Tipperary in the Munster Football Final for FREE on Sun gaago.rte.ie/fixture/P216-FMF In the UK right now and the link is not working for me. Wondering if it's me or not?
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Post by keane on Jun 29, 2016 16:25:37 GMT
From what I hear we might not be seeing any more of Brendan O'Sullivan for the year.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 29, 2016 16:31:39 GMT
could you explain that logic.... Without wanting to be politically correct and say that Tipperary have just as good a chance as anyone to beat Kerry, realistically they don't and I don't think Fitzmaurice will want the agro it was cause by dropping his captain. Sheehan is a Munster Championship player and I'm sure will stay in the team Interesting viewpoint but I'm not sure that Fitzy would just pick Sheehan to give him a few games now as he will not starting him in Croke Park when things hot up in August and September. I saw a piece recently that over the last 4 championship seasons, Sheehans conversion rate from frees is 61%. Compared to 80% from Cillian O Connor (an amazing 90 scores from 112 attempts) and 85% by Dean Rock. Maybe its cos usually Gooch or James O Donoghue tap over the handier frees close in while Sheehan takes them from the ground from 45m+.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jun 29, 2016 17:09:32 GMT
From what I hear we might not be seeing any more of Brendan O'Sullivan for the year. What did you hear? Is he injured? From what I have seen of him he gives us something different around the middle and he would be a loss if you are right.
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Post by keane on Jun 29, 2016 17:42:28 GMT
I just heard he has to get an operation on his groin, would be glad to be told otherwise. I have him very high on my list of "things we need to beat Dublin" so it's bad auld news if true.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 29, 2016 21:24:04 GMT
Interesting viewpoint but I'm not sure that Fitzy would just pick Sheehan to give him a few games now as he will not starting him in Croke Park when things hot up in August and September. By my count in the 18 championship games under Eamonn, Sheehan has only started 3 in midfield. He has started in 5 other championship games but that has been in the half-forward line. I know he has had injuries but I definitely think that Eamonn isn't as big a fan of Sheehan as some of the posters here in terms of the championship. With the current Paul Murphy strategy, I can't see Sheehan being one of the 3 starters in the half-forward line - the only thing that might keep him in the midfield spot the next day is the fitness/form of Moran, Maher and Buckley, as his performance in the Clare game was definitely not the sort to get him in the nailed on starter category. If people think that Fitzmaurice is going to keep Sheehan on the team because he is captain, then they have no clue whatsoever about how Eamonn operates. Personally I'll be pretty surprised if Sheehan starts the next day.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 29, 2016 21:25:59 GMT
could you explain that logic.... Without wanting to be politically correct and say that Tipperary have just as good a chance as anyone to beat Kerry, realistically they don't and I don't think Fitzmaurice will want the agro it was cause by dropping his captain. Sheehan is a Munster Championship player and I'm sure will stay in the team what agro? Why should there be agro? EF doesnt pick the captain. The captaincy is foisted on the Kerry manager every year. Sometimes it works out. Most times it doesnt
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 29, 2016 22:30:32 GMT
Brendan O Sullivan is listed as a longterm injury
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Post by Premier on Jun 29, 2016 22:52:13 GMT
Without wanting to be politically correct and say that Tipperary have just as good a chance as anyone to beat Kerry, realistically they don't and I don't think Fitzmaurice will want the agro it was cause by dropping his captain. Sheehan is a Munster Championship player and I'm sure will stay in the team what agro? Why should there be agro? EF doesnt pick the captain. The captaincy is foisted on the Kerry manager every year. Sometimes it works out. Most times it doesnt I just think that Sheehan is too big a personality to leave out as captain. It was easier when it was Kieran O'Leary or Fionn but I just think that he will start. I'm just saying the captaincy does him no harm in terms of staking a place
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Post by jackiel on Jun 29, 2016 22:58:37 GMT
Brendan O Sullivan is listed as a longterm injury That's a great pity , was looking forward to seeing more of him this year.
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Post by natrachtalai on Jun 29, 2016 23:08:41 GMT
Sunday is getting a little closer now and a little talk is beginning to happen here in Tipp. I would estimate around 1,000 hardy souls will travel.The crowd may be a small bit improved if there were a few rooms available for the overnight traveller!!! I am intrigued with the thread since joining with the various posts. While I fully realise that reaching August in top shape is Kerry's priority and that The Dubs are the target for all the chasing pack of top teams. The limited chat about The Munster Final on a Munster Final Thread shows the Kerry supporter's eyes are on bigger days and that is totally understandable. How I wish that the players focus could be that far away from Killarney on Sunday!!!. My big wish for Sunday is that Tipp will get into a game with Kerry and see where that brings them. Looking forward to it.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 30, 2016 7:26:39 GMT
Sunday is getting a little closer now and a little talk is beginning to happen here in Tipp. I would estimate around 1,000 hardy souls will travel.The crowd may be a small bit improved if there were a few rooms available for the overnight traveller!!! I am intrigued with the thread since joining with the various posts. While I fully realise that reaching August in top shape is Kerry's priority and that The Dubs are the target for all the chasing pack of top teams. The limited chat about The Munster Final on a Munster Final Thread shows the Kerry supporter's eyes are on bigger days and that is totally understandable. How I wish that the players focus could be that far away from Killarney on Sunday!!!. My big wish for Sunday is that Tipp will get into a game with Kerry and see where that brings them. Looking forward to it. Not wishing to disrespect the hardy Tipp souls who will travel to Killarney but how far will they have to travel anyway. Is even the most remote part of the county any more than a three hour journey from Killarney? And will they be so tired from this ordeal that they need accommodation? I know I am an extremist regarding travel so I won't cite myself but at the Down and Mayo matches I met people from Sneem who travelled up and back on the day. And that was only the League! This is the Munster Final and when will Tipp supporters get the next chance to see their football team compete for a senior trophy? Maybe next year but there's no guarantee. For the first time in ages I will have to miss travelling due to unavoidable personal reasons and if I didn't take the opt out I would be considering offering the tickets free to genuine Tipp supporters. But it seems I would have to offer a night's accommodation in Killarney as well!
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Post by natrachtalai on Jun 30, 2016 14:25:47 GMT
Personally I have travelled to Enniskillen, Longford, Drogheda and a few others to see Tipp play and a trip won't stop the hardcore supporters> all I was saying that the hardcore support of maybe 300 will stretch to maybe 1,000 on Sunday. Now throw in the option of a night in Killarney (a wonderful town) and maybe we would bring 13 or 14 hundred. Not to worry we will travel and enjoy. We always do
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Post by inchperfect on Jun 30, 2016 14:28:42 GMT
Sheehan should start because he's an excellent footballer not because he's captain.
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Post by Jigz84 on Jun 30, 2016 14:33:31 GMT
what agro? Why should there be agro? EF doesnt pick the captain. The captaincy is foisted on the Kerry manager every year. Sometimes it works out. Most times it doesnt I just think that Sheehan is too big a personality to leave out as captain. It was easier when it was Kieran O'Leary or Fionn but I just think that he will start. I'm just saying the captaincy does him no harm in terms of staking a place Some would point out that Fitzmaurice had no issue in not starting the biggest personality of all on the panel in Donaghy last September, captain or not. Sheehan will probably start Sunday but I find it hard to see him starting once Kerry arrive in Dublin.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 30, 2016 14:41:17 GMT
Sheehan should start because he's an excellent footballer not because he's captain. Its not that simple. You could say the same about the other 3 lads competing for a midfield spot and another 8 lads competing with him for a spot up front.
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Post by Premier on Jun 30, 2016 14:42:24 GMT
I just think that Sheehan is too big a personality to leave out as captain. It was easier when it was Kieran O'Leary or Fionn but I just think that he will start. I'm just saying the captaincy does him no harm in terms of staking a place Some would point out that Fitzmaurice had no issue in not starting the biggest personality of all on the panel in Donaghy last September, captain or not. Sheehan will probably start Sunday but I find it hard to see him starting once Kerry arrive in Dublin. That was in September though when the tough calls had to be made. The season won't live or die on Sunday. I agree that he probably won't start come the crunch, just that he is nailed on to start the weekend
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Post by inchperfect on Jun 30, 2016 14:51:13 GMT
Its not that simple. You could say the same about the other 3 lads competing for a midfield spot and another 8 lads competing with him for a spot up front. He's worth his spot on the team. I'd name him centre forward but play him as a 3rd midfielder, driving forward. Cooper can drop into centre forward. ..........Maher............Moran........... ..................Sheehan.................... .................................................. ...Murphy.........................Walsh.... ..................Cooper...................... .................................................. .................................................. ........Geaney........O'Donoghue........
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Post by taggert on Jun 30, 2016 17:58:28 GMT
Drive forward. Thats something Sheahan was unable to do in the league final and I dont see it happening the next time we meet Dublin either. He simply dies not have the legs to trouble Dublins athletic and marauding talents. We are completely deluding ourselves to think otherwise.
In his defence, I dont think any midfield combo of the big boned units - Maher, Moran, Buckley, Sheahan, Donaghy - will give us the requisite mobility to cope with Dublins running game and/or to trouble Dublin going the other way. If the last 2 or 3 games against them have told us anything, it is just that.
Who knows, maybe Tipp will win Sunday and a spanner may be thrown in the works.....
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 30, 2016 20:53:17 GMT
Personally I have travelled to Enniskillen, Longford, Drogheda and a few others to see Tipp play and a trip won't stop the hardcore supporters> all I was saying that the hardcore support of maybe 300 will stretch to maybe 1,000 on Sunday. Now throw in the option of a night in Killarney (a wonderful town) and maybe we would bring 13 or 14 hundred. Not to worry we will travel and enjoy. We always do Sorry. Probably got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning and annoyed at not being able to travel myself. I think it's great that you will be trebling your core support and their will always be maniacs like ourselves who travel to every godforsaken hole in the hedge to support our teams. You probably would have got an extra 400 too with more beds available. Hope you enjoy the game (but not too much!)
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Post by dano on Jun 30, 2016 21:13:26 GMT
Can't see Kerry losing this. Liam Kerins will want to avenge the Limerick escape of '04. Claiming in today's paper that Gooch got a soft penalty that day.So it should be a stronger challenge than Clare and will stand to Kerry, moreso than Meath were or Westmeath will to the Dubs.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 30, 2016 22:35:18 GMT
Personally I have travelled to Enniskillen, Longford, Drogheda and a few others to see Tipp play and a trip won't stop the hardcore supporters> all I was saying that the hardcore support of maybe 300 will stretch to maybe 1,000 on Sunday. Now throw in the option of a night in Killarney (a wonderful town) and maybe we would bring 13 or 14 hundred. Not to worry we will travel and enjoy. We always do did any of the hurlers or the lads abroad return to the fold after beating cork I was listening to Journalist Damien Lawlor on the radio after that game. He said that about 2000 support Tipp ootballers and the pick is from something similar. .i think he was giving a hand out in the background in recent years
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Post by fitz on Jun 30, 2016 23:45:54 GMT
Personally I have travelled to Enniskillen, Longford, Drogheda and a few others to see Tipp play and a trip won't stop the hardcore supporters> all I was saying that the hardcore support of maybe 300 will stretch to maybe 1,000 on Sunday. Now throw in the option of a night in Killarney (a wonderful town) and maybe we would bring 13 or 14 hundred. Not to worry we will travel and enjoy. We always do Sorry. Probably got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning and annoyed at not being able to travel myself. I think it's great that you will be trebling your core support and their will always be maniacs like ourselves who travel to every godforsaken hole in the hedge to support our teams. You probably would have got an extra 400 too with more beds available. Hope you enjoy the game (but not too much!) You've heard of ultra marathon runners or just ultra distance runners. Well, WayUp is an Ultra driver, there will be no matching him. Antrim to Kerry and back for a league match is just one story . So you can see the thinking behind folks not willing to travel from Tipp is mind boggling for him. It would be barely if at all acceptable if you were cycling. Only if ye had to walk would he relent Seriously, I'm shocked at the low support numbers, hurling county or not. A Provincial title in context in the first time in 80 years is a monster carrot.
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Post by Mickmack on Jul 1, 2016 7:17:08 GMT
If by some miracle Kerry reached the Munster hurling final v tipp in thurles, how many of Kerry's football fans would go to the game
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Post by buck02 on Jul 1, 2016 9:04:53 GMT
Should do a scoreline and attendance prediction seen as the numbers travelling is garnering as much discussion as the games itself.
I'll go for Kerry 2-19 Tipp 1-14 and 17,500 attendance.
And I'm glad to see Eamonn Fitz announcing the team on a Friday night. He should continue with this for the rest of the summer.
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Post by Fado on Jul 1, 2016 11:51:33 GMT
Just seen this for people who are living abroad seems you can watch the game for free on GAAGO GAAGO @gaago FREE GAME WORLDWIDE: Watch Kerry v Tipperary in the Munster Football Final for FREE on Sun gaago.rte.ie/fixture/P216-FMF In the UK right now and the link is not working for me. Wondering if it's me or not? Anyone able to advise on this?
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Post by fitz on Jul 1, 2016 12:19:50 GMT
In the UK right now and the link is not working for me. Wondering if it's me or not? Anyone able to advise on this? The link is good - what message/error mesage are you getting?
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