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Post by kerryexile on Jun 18, 2016 1:07:32 GMT
Have to disagree with you Nacrocaigh as Young would be the first name on my team sheet. He has been showing good form all the way back to last years County Championship. Did a fine man marking job on James O'D in both finals. He also takes the offload at pace and doesn't turn over silly ball as often as he did in his earlier career. Enright returned to form v Clare, Griffin has yet to really nail down a marker despite numerous opportunities, O Beaglaoich was struggling against Collins as you would expect but has promise. Both he and Morley were on the periphery of last Sundays game. Crowleys physique and pace are essential in the modern game and unless Jonathan Lyne reverts to his best role at wingback and Murphy returns to defence, options are few in the rearguard. Fitzgerald needs to find form through the club championship to come back into the reakoning and prospects like Barry, White, Foley, O Sullivan and Coffey are still developing. In the forwards still not convinced that Gooch, O Sullivan and Walsh can turn the clock back enough to provide a serious threat to the Dublin, Mayo or Tyrone rearguard. Thought Geaney did well on Sunday and has the required physical attributes and toughness to mix it and I would try a fit Buckley at full forward in the Donaghy role. He is a good fielder and has quick hands and would trouble any full back. If O Donoghue doesn't return himself Geaney and Fitzgerald would be a test for any last line of defence. There is a lack of pace in midfield but options look restricted to Maher Donaghy Moran and O Connor. Maybe Griffin could add pace to this area as a runner off a fielder. Dublin could have been beaten by any decent Kerry performance in both last years AI and this years league.they are not as good as they think and we aren't that far away. But we must despatch the Tipp lads first as they will not be travelling to take in The Reeks. All of the above is valid and very accurate except the first sentence. To beat Dublin, marking is not what is required. They must be stopped in their tracks when running. I haven't seen Young in the County Championship but I have seen him in Croke Park over the years and have never, ever, seen him stop a player, not to mind a runner in full flight. Crowley has done it several times and never comes off the wrong end. To be honest I don't see Young having a role if we are to beat Dublin. An under 14 could pick up the breaking ball and run with it. |
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2016 8:18:26 GMT
Finding the game plan to tame the Dublin machine with no real pace in our own middle third will be the test for Eamonn and the result will ultimately define his stint in the Kerry hot seat.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2016 9:36:36 GMT
I think i saw yesterday that Kevin Walsh got 52 refusals from Galway club players who didnt want to play for Galway.
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Post by himself on Jun 18, 2016 9:37:31 GMT
Personally I found Auschwitz far, far more moving than Birkenau - there is a shiny modern 'commemorating the dead' plaque at Birkenau that I find absolutely grotesque. Stillness and silence is what is appropriate in that place, it should have been left that way as a memorial to the dead and an acknowledgement of man's potential for inhumanity to man. 'Arbeit macht frei' on the gate of Auschwitz - actually seeing it and seeing that barely living hell as it was in that awful time - I do not believe that today or for centuries to come any living soul could move through that place and not be moved. I'll certainly admit without the slightest embarrassment that I cried. We went to the underground church in Sielicza two days after, where two brothers, ordinary miners, spent their spare time underground carving religious catholic statues out of salt rock - it felt both beautiful and profound to agnostic me.
However, on a lighter note, I notice that very few people are talking about Tipperary. Are they dangerous? How much was it about Cork falling down the snake or Tipperary climbing the ladder? Sadly, I think it was the former.
I was very worried about Tipperary last year. Quinlivan is an outstanding forwrad, always has been, but Colin O'Riordan was absolutely hobbled during that game, Ian Fahey was out injured, and George Hannigan came off injured. Hannigan is a great midfielder in my opinion, not quite John Galvin class, but I would rate him equal to John Quane, and that is no small saying.
I'm not going into Cork's travails - that's their own business and I wish them luck in transforming things; a strong Munster would be a big help to Kerry and the GAA itself desperately needs more meaningful contests. The more the strong get stronger and the weak get weaker, the less potential there is for drama or attracting neutrals to the joys of the game.
Tipperary is completely riven by the hurling/football split. Kerry hurling lost two of their best players, Fitzmaurice and Galvin, to the big ball. In Dublin the list of underage hurling stars playing inter-county football is huge. The Tipperary minors commitment to dual success with many of the same players was costly to both last year and a lot of their best players, i.e. the 2011 All Ireland winning footballers, have abandoned the game in favour of hurling. I'm told they are missing 11 of their first choice panel this year.
Tipp will battle bravely, there's no give in them, but frankly I expect a similar result in reverse to the likely outcome if the Kerry hurlers were to meet Tipperary in a championship clash.
Mind you, any time that I walk into a bookies in Kerry, they all start roaring laughing, and I don't know why.....
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Post by yourholiness on Jun 18, 2016 11:15:07 GMT
Never could I have imagined a conversation about the Munster final being interspersed with ruminations on the final solution and recollections about holocaust tourism .
Truly unique!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 18, 2016 12:59:28 GMT
When I was in Poland the day that I could have gone was the day after a wedding.
I can get very emotional after the booze so I said I'd leave it for another time. It would have been too much.
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Post by himself on Jun 18, 2016 13:12:12 GMT
In fairness, we have all gotten a bit off the beaten track a bit on this one, and I point the finger at myself more than anyone. Let's get back to the Tipperary game. I've put up the little bit I know about them (I didn't see their seniors at any stage this year and I was stuck in traffic while trying to get down from the St. Michaels and St. Brendans All Ireland college semi-finals for the U21 game, which was obviously very tight). Anyone see them this year or hear anything about them?
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 18, 2016 15:02:30 GMT
The element of surprise by Tipp is now gone so I expect Kerry to beat them with a bit to spare.
A semi final meeting with Dublin looks inevitable.
I thought Jim McGuinness had an interesting article recently..it might have been discussed already but i am reproducing an extract below. No doubt EF has one eye on a meeting later with Dublin and it would be a surprize if he doesnt try a few things out in the intervening games with Dubs game in mind.
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To beat Dublin will involve practising a specific game plan for a couple of months at least. What Dublin do now, as everyone knows, is have Cian O’Sullivan playing as a sweeper and have the other players go man-to-man, shutting down the edge of their D insofar as possible. How do you get around that system? What kind of ball might hurt Dublin inside?
I feel that having two big men inside and another forward coming around on the loop could cause the Dublin full-back line problems. But the delivery is crucial. It is not a ball kicked in hope or a ball looking to find the inside men with a pinpoint pass: it is a ball deep lying sent in on the diagonal and about 25 yards over the sweeper so it can ask questions of the inside three defenders.
In addition, you need a number 11 who will keep the sweeper pre-occupied; a player who has the ability to get on the ball and attack his player directly and kick a point. Otherwise, O’Sullivan can just hang deep and pick the diagonal ball off. But if you have a direct, attacking number 11, he also has to contend with that. O’Sullivan plays the position masterfully but no sweeper can be two places at once.
Laois scored a few good points when they just went at their markers – O’Loughlin, in particular, in the first half. If you beat a Dublin defender, there is a good chance the space will open up for you. But that is not enough over 70 minutes to actually defeat Dublin as a team. You can only do that with a cohesive game plan which involves the collective.
Collective running
So you need that quality diagonal ball coming in on their full backs. You need a creative, attacking number 11. Then, once the ball is turned over, the team needs an aggressive collective running game with four and five men breaking at pace coming through at angles to support the ball, and all the time playing with their heads up.
The advantage of playing a big man inside is that for your own kick-out, you can bring him out to midfield. It means you have maximum options for your kick- out – which you will need against Dublin. And the last thing is that you have to try, at least, to contest Dublin on their kick-out.
So when you put all that together, you can see the level of coaching required; the complexity and concentration and patience. It requires a lot because it is five game plans running simultaneously and, in order to succeed, they will have to be executed in synchronicity. All players must know what they are doing. And that will not happen in a three-week gap between a provincial final and an All-Ireland quarter-final or semi-final.
So I firmly believe the team that beats Dublin will be planning for it now – this week. Tonight!
My basic belief is Dublin are vulnerable in the full-back line if they are posed a specific set of problems. And I do think they would struggle against the formation laid out here. It is something for other teams, particularly Mayo, Kerry, Monaghan, Donegal and Tyrone to think about – although Tyrone don’t have the options of big men inside.
Of course, all of this is simply my opinion on how they could be beaten. If another team manages to beat them through different means, I’ll be very interested to see it because I can’t think of an alternative way.
But how many teams can afford to be thinking about Dublin this early in the summer? Donegal, for instance, are not in a position to do that right now. They have to try to win Ulster. Ditto Monaghan and Tyrone. But I would suggest Mayo and Kerry both have the luxury of planning now for a potential meeting with the All-Ireland champions.
Any team entertaining the remotest hope of beating Dublin will have to go into that game with absolute clarity about what they want to do and the knowledge that they have practised it to the point that it is a flawless routine. And, of course, even if a team can do all that there is no guarantee Dublin will be beaten. But at the very least, it would force them to adapt. It is early June but the contenders should use their time wisely.
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Post by brucewayne on Jun 18, 2016 15:09:40 GMT
Looking at the team that lined out against Cork the last day and that for the game against Kerry in 2015, it appears that the Tipp defence has been hit hardest by the departures. In terms of their attack, in 2015 they scored 2 easy goals in the first half but their challenge was scuppered by a second half where they kicked many bad wides. Judging by last Sunday's outing, this shakiness up front has been remedied to some extent. They are a team that shouldn't be taken for granted and they will be well able to capitalise on any weaknesses in the back line. How they cope with the Kerry attack will define the challenge they make on the day.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 18, 2016 15:47:12 GMT
Looking at the team that lined out against Cork the last day and that for the game against Kerry in 2015, it appears that the Tipp defence has been hit hardest by the departures. In terms of their attack, in 2015 they scored 2 easy goals in the first half but their challenge was scuppered by a second half where they kicked many bad wides. Judging by last Sunday's outing, this shakiness up front has been remedied to some extent. They are a team that shouldn't be taken for granted and they will be well able to capitalise on any weaknesses in the back line. How they cope with the Kerry attack will define the challenge they make on the day. I forgot about all the wides they had. |
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Post by natrachtalai on Jun 18, 2016 22:56:00 GMT
Looking at the team that lined out against Cork the last day and that for the game against Kerry in 2015, it appears that the Tipp defence has been hit hardest by the departures. In terms of their attack, in 2015 they scored 2 easy goals in the first half but their challenge was scuppered by a second half where they kicked many bad wides. Judging by last Sunday's outing, this shakiness up front has been remedied to some extent. They are a team that shouldn't be taken for granted and they will be well able to capitalise on any weaknesses in the back line. How they cope with the Kerry attack will define the challenge they make on the day. I forgot about all the wides they had. Spot on summing up. Our defence will have to answer some questions in the final. Hey lads are ye afraid of an invasion? Not a room to be had in Killarney lol. Them Cork lads must be refusing to give them back !!!!! |
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 19, 2016 0:00:09 GMT
Have to disagree with you Nacrocaigh as Young would be the first name on my team sheet. He has been showing good form all the way back to last years County Championship. Did a fine man marking job on James O'D in both finals. He also takes the offload at pace and doesn't turn over silly ball as often as he did in his earlier career. Enright returned to form v Clare, Griffin has yet to really nail down a marker despite numerous opportunities, O Beaglaoich was struggling against Collins as you would expect but has promise. Both he and Morley were on the periphery of last Sundays game. Crowleys physique and pace are essential in the modern game and unless Jonathan Lyne reverts to his best role at wingback and Murphy returns to defence, options are few in the rearguard. Fitzgerald needs to find form through the club championship to come back into the reakoning and prospects like Barry, White, Foley, O Sullivan and Coffey are still developing. In the forwards still not convinced that Gooch, O Sullivan and Walsh can turn the clock back enough to provide a serious threat to the Dublin, Mayo or Tyrone rearguard. Thought Geaney did well on Sunday and has the required physical attributes and toughness to mix it and I would try a fit Buckley at full forward in the Donaghy role. He is a good fielder and has quick hands and would trouble any full back. If O Donoghue doesn't return himself Geaney and Fitzgerald would be a test for any last line of defence. There is a lack of pace in midfield but options look restricted to Maher Donaghy Moran and O Connor. Maybe Griffin could add pace to this area as a runner off a fielder. Dublin could have been beaten by any decent Kerry performance in both last years AI and this years league.they are not as good as they think and we aren't that far away. But we must despatch the Tipp lads first as they will not be travelling to take in The Reeks. Good read! Buckley definitely worth a shot inside, even both him and Donaghy in there. I would love to see James O'D on the forty too. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 19, 2016 1:18:24 GMT
Brolly is a barrister so he is always trying to win arguments, Spillane is a teacher so he tends to dictate a bit, and Colm O'Rourke also a little for the same reason of 'occupational hazard' - Jim Gavin is a pilot so who can orchestrate a crash?, all reminds of goatie beardy Tyrone bringing down our twin towers.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 19, 2016 8:08:00 GMT
Brolly is a barrister so he is always trying to win arguments, Spillane is a teacher so he tends to dictate a bit, and Colm O'Rourke also a little for the same reason of 'occupational hazard' - Jim Gavin is a pilot so who can orchestrate a crash?, all reminds of goatie beardy Tyrone bringing down our twin towers. So are you saying that Mickey Harte and Tyrone are best placed to unpick the Dublin conundrum? You might be on to something there. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jun 19, 2016 11:11:36 GMT
Brolly is a barrister so he is always trying to win arguments, Spillane is a teacher so he tends to dictate a bit, and Colm O'Rourke also a little for the same reason of 'occupational hazard' - Jim Gavin is a pilot so who can orchestrate a crash?, all reminds of goatie beardy Tyrone bringing down our twin towers. So are you saying that Mickey Harte and Tyrone are best placed to unpick the Dublin conundrum? You might be on to something there. I'd be hoping Éamonn is the one, still can't trust Mickey not to disrupt the flight plan. If Kerry and Tyrone stay apart there would each have a crack at Jim. Could Galway have helped Mayo's AI chances and who are blue in the face (pun intended?) from failing to come in through the front door. Dubs are the real deal, then again they were in '14 also, until Donegal took their scalp, and we all know what happened after that. I know it is a separate issue but reading Shefflin in the Indo and chatting in general lately, I think the GAA should be target at having say 10+ teams having a credible chance of winning Sam/McCarthy within say 5 years. Just imagine the excitement of at least one contentious top table game every weekend. The football community is significantly bigger yet you'd have to say that there are more hurling teams at the top table, i.e. while the Cats will be hard to beat there are a handful than could do it. Munster hurling and Ulster football are the most/only competitive provincials, in fact only for last nights upset, the other provincials were a bit predictable. The underlying reasons are interesting and represent trends across the country, good land and landlords shinty teams is still a significant/dominant factor, although the Dubs buck the trend with hurling -how many blow-ins from the country on Dubs hurling team I wonder? |
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 25, 2016 19:15:24 GMT
No disrespect to Tipp, but I feel this thread would not be dormant if we were playing Cork!
Does anyone think Maher might start the next day? You would have to think there is a strong case for letting him get game-time.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 25, 2016 20:23:25 GMT
No disrespect to Tipp, but I feel this thread would not be dormant if we were playing Cork! Does anyone think Maher might start the next day? You would have to think there is a strong case for letting him get game-time. Spot on! And this might be reflected in the attendance on the day. Maher has to start if fit and probably Moran as well. Can't see any other option for midfield. Brendan O'Sullivan not ready yet and Bryan and Ciaran won't work against Dublin. |
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Post by kerryman72 on Jun 26, 2016 8:24:48 GMT
Team I would start is
Brian Kelley
Tadhg Morley
Mark griffin
Shane enright
Brian beagloich
Peter Crowley
Killian young
Mark o Connor
David Moran
Paul Murphy
Colm cooper
Mikey Geaney
Darren o Sullivan
Paul geany
Stephen o brien
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 26, 2016 17:00:47 GMT
Team I would start is Brian Kelley Tadhg Morley Mark griffin Shane enright Brian beagloich Peter Crowley Killian young Mark o Connor David Moran Paul Murphy Colm cooper Mikey Geaney Darren o Sullivan Paul geany Stephen o brien No JOD ? |
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 27, 2016 18:14:52 GMT
Team I would start is Brian Kelley Tadhg Morley Mark griffin Shane enright Brian beagloich Peter Crowley Killian young Mark o Connor David Moran Paul Murphy Colm cooper Mikey Geaney Darren o Sullivan Paul geany Stephen o brien No JOD ? Realistically JOD will start on the bench if fit. How good is Mark O'Connor and why haven't we seen much of him so far? Might be too late for experiments at this stage unless he's a secret weapon in which case we should save him for the Dubs. |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 27, 2016 18:31:56 GMT
Realistically JOD will start on the bench if fit. How good is Mark O'Connor and why haven't we seen much of him so far? Might be too late for experiments at this stage unless he's a secret weapon in which case we should save him for the Dubs. I think if JOD is fit and by all accounts he is then he has to start he hasn't kicked a ball all year he needs game time and get confidence back in his shoulder. |
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 27, 2016 22:27:01 GMT
Jeez i thought Marc O'Se was very good tonight for Iceland
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 27, 2016 23:15:04 GMT
Jeez i thought Marc O'Se was very good tonight for Iceland So that's why he didn't start against Clare! |
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Post by Sons of Pitches on Jun 28, 2016 12:04:52 GMT
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 28, 2016 13:12:39 GMT
1. Brian Kelly
2. Shane Enright
3. Mark Griffin
4. Killian Young
5. Brian Begley
6. Peter Crowley
7. Jonathan Lyne
8. Anthony Maher
9. Kieran Donaghy
10. Paul Murphy
11. Colm Cooper
12. Michael Geaney
13. Darran O'Sullivan
14. Paul Geaney
15. Stephen O'Brien
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Post by kerryman74 on Jun 28, 2016 19:40:00 GMT
We really should be putting a game plan in place with the last 3 weeks for the semi final v Dublin how can we beat them I think we have to go short with kick outs have a line of 8 people in the middle bring the 6 fowards and 2 midfielders in midfeild and play like rugby keep passing back all the time what are yer views on how to beat Dublin
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Post by kerryman74 on Jun 28, 2016 19:42:50 GMT
1. Brian Kelly 2. Shane Enright 3. Mark Griffin 4. Killian Young 5. Brian Begley 6. Peter Crowley 7. Jonathan Lyne 8. Anthony Maher 9. Kieran Donaghy 10. Paul Murphy 11. Colm Cooper 12. Michael Geaney 13. Darran O'Sullivan 14. Paul Geaney 15. Stephen O'Brien I would start Kieran donaghy in this particular game tips midfeild is fast and he won't keep up with them Jonathan Lyne is inexperienced I would put Shane no 4 and thadg Morley 2 and Shane 4 leaving out Jonathan |
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Post by kerryman74 on Jun 28, 2016 19:43:41 GMT
1. Brian Kelly 2. Shane Enright 3. Mark Griffin 4. Killian Young 5. Brian Begley 6. Peter Crowley 7. Jonathan Lyne 8. Anthony Maher 9. Kieran Donaghy 10. Paul Murphy 11. Colm Cooper 12. Michael Geaney 13. Darran O'Sullivan 14. Paul Geaney 15. Stephen O'Brien I wouldnt start Kieran donaghy in this particular game tips midfeild is fast and he won't keep up with them Jonathan Lyne is inexperienced I would put Shane no 4 and thadg Morley 2 and Shane 4 leaving out Jonathan |
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Post by Premier on Jun 28, 2016 21:21:08 GMT
1. Brian Kelly 2. Shane Enright 3. Mark Griffin 4. Killian Young 5. Brian Begley 6. Peter Crowley 7. Jonathan Lyne 8. Anthony Maher 9. Kieran Donaghy 10. Paul Murphy 11. Colm Cooper 12. Michael Geaney 13. Darran O'Sullivan 14. Paul Geaney 15. Stephen O'Brien I would start Kieran donaghy in this particular game tips midfeild is fast and he won't keep up with them Jonathan Lyne is inexperienced I would put Shane no 4 and thadg Morley 2 and Shane 4 leaving out Jonathan Lyne is hardly more inexperienced than Morely.. Also on that team I would be absolutely shocked if Sheehan didn't start. He's captain and I think that's enough for get him to get onto the team for a Munster Champ game. Things might change as we progress |
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Post by royalkerryfan on Jun 28, 2016 22:17:28 GMT
Can I ask why nobody is mentioning JOD?
He's back fit with zero football.
Surely he needs to start.
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