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Post by gaelicden on Jun 12, 2016 18:14:54 GMT
Decided I'd create this thread so we can start focusing on this years final. Venue is Killarney as confirmed by Munster Gaa. Well done Tipp however on beating Cork and setting up this final. Any thoughts?
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Post by Kingdomson on Jun 12, 2016 20:15:02 GMT
Yes, congratulations to Tipperary on an outstanding result! Fair play to them! However, on a very selfish note, I kinda feel like somebody just cancelled Christmas with no Kerry vs the Rebels in the Munster Championship. I suppose in truth we've seen enough of them! Still it's like an old firm derby and early summer will feel strange without one.
I remember Limerick under Liam Kearns put us to the pin of our collars with the real dogs of war attitude. Looks Like Kearns is in the process of doing a similar job with Tipperary with arguably better footballing talent to work with. I appreciate Tipp have lost some fine footballers but as we can see from the recent underage progress they have a fine standard of footballer. I think Tipperary have the right man over them and they'll certainly pose a testing challenge. Kerry will be under huge pressure to win and Tipp will certainly want more after today.
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 12, 2016 21:09:57 GMT
I kinda feel like somebody just cancelled Christmas with no Kerry vs the Rebels in the Munster Championship. I suppose in truth we've seen enough of them! Still it's like an old firm derby and early summer will feel strange without one. Surely cork fans will go and support their minors: Kerry will play Cork in the Electric Ireland Munster Minor Football Championship Final on Sunday July 3rd at 12 noon in Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2016 21:53:37 GMT
A win for Tipp would be great for Munster football and a tangible reward for their work at underage level.
I hope it happens to be honest. It wouldnt do Kerry a bit of damage in the overall scheme of things.
Kerry could do with an extra game before the inevitable QF.
It would be disasterous for Kerry to have a facile v Tipp and another facile win in the QF like they had in the league semi final v Roscommon.
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Post by baurtregaum on Jun 12, 2016 22:25:29 GMT
A win for Tipp would be great for Munster football and a tangible reward for their work at underage level. I hope it happens to be honest. It wouldnt do Kerry a bit of damage in the overall scheme of things. Kerry could do with an extra game before the inevitable QF. It would be disasterous for Kerry to have a facile v Tipp and another facile win in the QF like they had in the league semi final v Roscommon. I can understand the sentiment MM, Kerry would certainly benefit from the extra game mid summer and while it would shake up Munster football I would hate to see us lose in Killarney for the first time since 95. Am I right in thinking that with the current format Cork will not now be seeded and we could potentially meet them in a Semi final in Munster next year? As a challenge Tipperary will not be taken lightly by Kerry I'm sure.
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Post by The16thMan on Jun 12, 2016 22:38:54 GMT
I wonder will this one be anywhere near a full house. You would think Tipp should travel in numbers considering they rarely make any sort of a senior football final. In saying that I attended the last non Kerry/Cork Munster final in 2012 at the Gaelic Grounds between Cork and Clare and there probably wasn't even 10,000 in attendance.
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Post by lár na páirce on Jun 12, 2016 22:46:42 GMT
I wonder will this one be anywhere near a full house. You would think Tipp should travel in numbers considering they rarely make any sort of a senior football final. In saying that I attended the last non Kerry/Cork Munster final in 2012 at the Gaelic Grounds between Cork and Clare and there probably wasn't even 10,000 in attendance. There was quite a big crowd there today (11,000) so i would expect another 50% on top of that
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 12, 2016 22:48:02 GMT
You know the way that Kerry and Cork had an arrangement that Kerry would have to go to Cork for successive championship games when Pairc Ui Caoimh reopens.... well now that Cork wont be in the 2016 MF... does that arrangement still stand?
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 13, 2016 0:18:22 GMT
You know the way that Kerry and Cork had an arrangement that Kerry would have to go to Cork for successive championship games when Pairc Ui Caoimh reopens.... well now that Cork wont be in the 2016 MF... does that arrangement still stand? Good point Mick. Have Kerry and Tipp got such an arrangement? Is 11k considered to be a decent attendance considering the div 2 champs were meeting royalty today?
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Post by himself on Jun 13, 2016 6:08:28 GMT
Kerry and Tipperary have a home and away arrangement. We played them in a senior/junior double header last year in Semple - Tipp were decent as I recall but George Hannigan and Colin O'Riordan were both obviously playing injured. That means that Kerry are at home for the Munster Final, which automatically means that so are the minors. The juniors played Cork in Pairc ui Rinn last year. I am told (unconfirmed) that it will almost certainly be Austin Stack Park.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 13, 2016 7:14:38 GMT
One long term consequence of yesterday's results is that Cork will have to play a quarter final match next year and we could end up playing them in the semis.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 13, 2016 8:26:44 GMT
A win for Tipp would be great for Munster football and a tangible reward for their work at underage level. I hope it happens to be honest. It wouldnt do Kerry a bit of damage in the overall scheme of things. Kerry could do with an extra game before the inevitable QF. It would be disasterous for Kerry to have a facile v Tipp and another facile win in the QF like they had in the league semi final v Roscommon. Careful what you wish for! Yes it would be great for Munster football just as ABD would be for Leinster but I don't think it would be good for Kerry. Think about it. First defeat this milenium in Killarney, first MF loss to a team other than Cork in over twenty years and our first Championship defeat to a non-Dublin team since 2012 and for what? An extra match that might be just as facile as any of the others and the real possibility of meeting the Dubs in the quarters No, the modh direach is the best approach this year.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 13, 2016 9:05:08 GMT
You know the way that Kerry and Cork had an arrangement that Kerry would have to go to Cork for successive championship games when Pairc Ui Caoimh reopens.... well now that Cork wont be in the 2016 MF... does that arrangement still stand? Good point Mick. Have Kerry and Tipp got such an arrangement? Is 11k considered to be a decent attendance considering the div 2 champs were meeting royalty today? Of the almost 12,000 there yesterday, over 10,000 were Kerry supporters. Thats more than one out of every 15 people living in Kerry. Putting it into context, it would be the equivalent of over 80,000 Dubs watching a first round game against a Division 3 team. I'd say the Munster Council wont be happy campers this morning. If there is 20,000 at the Munster final I'd be shocked. That would be half the gate from 2 years ago for example.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 13, 2016 9:27:38 GMT
With the possibility of Cork having to play Kerry in next year's Munster semi-final and Kerry having to play 3 games in a row at the new Páirc Uí Chaoimh, it means the next Cork-Kerry Munster Final in Killarney mightn't be until 2021. Go short on Scotts shares!
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 13, 2016 9:34:09 GMT
You know the way that Kerry and Cork had an arrangement that Kerry would have to go to Cork for successive championship games when Pairc Ui Caoimh reopens.... well now that Cork wont be in the 2016 MF... does that arrangement still stand? It still stands, I don’t see why it wouldn’t. The current running total of consecutive Kerry v Cork games Cork should host on completion of their new ground is 2. This is based on the 2014 game being in Cork, and Killarney hosting 2 games last year. The new Pairc was due to open in June 2017 but I would not be at all surprised if that was missed.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 13, 2016 9:40:01 GMT
You know the way that Kerry and Cork had an arrangement that Kerry would have to go to Cork for successive championship games when Pairc Ui Caoimh reopens.... well now that Cork wont be in the 2016 MF... does that arrangement still stand? It still stands, I don’t see why it wouldn’t. The current running total of consecutive Kerry v Cork games Cork should host on completion of their new ground is 2. This is based on the 2014 game being in Cork, and Killarney hosting 2 games last year. The new Pairc was due to open in June 2017 but I would not be at all surprised if that was missed. Won't be ready for 2017 as the demolition alone was at least 3 months behind schedule which will mean 3 games in a row between Cork and Kerry will be in the new stadium.
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 13, 2016 12:30:07 GMT
A win for Tipp would be great for Munster football and a tangible reward for their work at underage level. I hope it happens to be honest. It wouldnt do Kerry a bit of damage in the overall scheme of things. Kerry could do with an extra game before the inevitable QF. It would be disasterous for Kerry to have a facile v Tipp and another facile win in the QF like they had in the league semi final v Roscommon. One of the stranger comments I have read on here!!
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 13, 2016 12:41:28 GMT
It still stands, I don’t see why it wouldn’t. The current running total of consecutive Kerry v Cork games Cork should host on completion of their new ground is 2. This is based on the 2014 game being in Cork, and Killarney hosting 2 games last year. The new Pairc was due to open in June 2017 but I would not be at all surprised if that was missed. Won't be ready for 2017 as the demolition alone was at least 3 months behind schedule which will mean 3 games in a row between Cork and Kerry will be in the new stadium. Assuming Kerry and Cork meet next year... Will be a shame to be without the Killarney fixture for so long.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 13, 2016 13:07:25 GMT
Not too sure about the negativity here in relation to the up coming Muster Final and potential soft quarter finals there after.
Kerry can peak for the their August window and arrive without airing any lining in public in the process. Taking on the Dubs while being fresh, raw, untested, unproven, unknown and unseen might be an interesting proposition and has it's Hail Mary, winter wonderland, merits in the great art of guerilla strike.
Made my championship spectator début on Sunday for 2016, either in live attendance or watching on TV, and not much has changed in the early season championship fair. Of course we had Cork's moonwalk!!!
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Post by Glaschu Gael on Jun 13, 2016 14:30:34 GMT
Yes, congratulations to Tipperary on an outstanding result! Fair play to them! However, on a very selfish note, I kinda feel like somebody just cancelled Christmas with no Kerry vs the Rebels in the Munster Championship. I suppose in truth we've seen enough of them! Still it's like an old firm derby and early summer will feel strange without one. There hasn't been many of them recently over here. You get used to them not taking place
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Post by lár na páirce on Jun 13, 2016 14:35:52 GMT
Kerry beat Tipp by 6 in last years Munster championship,I'd expect this encounter to be a tad closer
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 16:05:50 GMT
I think it's a disaster we don't have another free taker because from his free taking I don't think Sheehan is good enough to start. He is not a great fielder he is away too slow for midfield and not mobile. I would love to see Anthony Maher and Mark O Connor together and how they get on together. My Team would be 1 Brian Kelly 2 Brian Begley 3 Tadhg Morley 4 Shane Enright 5 Pail Murphy 6 Mark Griffin 7 Peter Crowley 8 Anthony Maher 9 Mark o Connor 10 Stephen O Brien 11 Colm Cooper 12 Daithi Casey (flying for Crokes this year) 13 Darren o Sullivan 14 Paul Geaney 15 James o Donoghue. Subs Sheehan Donaghy Donnacha Killian Buckley Marc O Mahony Moran BJ Keane and Fionn would make our bench strong and good players for the last 20 or 25 minutes
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 13, 2016 17:20:16 GMT
I think it's a disaster we don't have another free taker because from his free taking I don't think Sheehan is good enough to start. He is not a great fielder he is away too slow for midfield and not mobile. I would love to see Anthony Maher and Mark O Connor together and how they get on together. My Team would be 1 Brian Kelly 2 Brian Begley 3 Tadhg Morley 4 Shane Enright 5 Pail Murphy 6 Mark Griffin 7 Peter Crowley 8 Anthony Maher 9 Mark o Connor 10 Stephen O Brien 11 Colm Cooper 12 Daithi Casey (flying for Crokes this year) 13 Darren o Sullivan 14 Paul Geaney 15 James o Donoghue. Subs Sheehan Donaghy Donnacha Killian Buckley Marc O Mahony Moran BJ Keane and Fionn would make our bench strong and good players for the last 20 or 25 minutes Is Casey even on the panel?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 17:24:44 GMT
No but he should be
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 13, 2016 18:14:20 GMT
Great to see Mark O'Connor on the panel. A great prospect. Between colleges and minor success/loads of games he seemed to suffer with injuries, hopefully that's behind him.
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Post by Premier on Jun 13, 2016 18:21:33 GMT
I think it's a disaster we don't have another free taker because from his free taking I don't think Sheehan is good enough to start. He is not a great fielder he is away too slow for midfield and not mobile. I would love to see Anthony Maher and Mark O Connor together and how they get on together. My Team would be 1 Brian Kelly 2 Brian Begley 3 Tadhg Morley 4 Shane Enright 5 Pail Murphy 6 Mark Griffin 7 Peter Crowley 8 Anthony Maher 9 Mark o Connor 10 Stephen O Brien 11 Colm Cooper 12 Daithi Casey (flying for Crokes this year) 13 Darren o Sullivan 14 Paul Geaney 15 James o Donoghue. Subs Sheehan Donaghy Donnacha Killian Buckley Marc O Mahony Moran BJ Keane and Fionn would make our bench strong and good players for the last 20 or 25 minutes Is Casey even on the panel? I think he was given a good look 2 years ago and hasn't got a look since. Realistically though you can be expecting a man who hasn't even been mentioned around the panel to be thrown into the starting line up
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 13, 2016 18:28:48 GMT
I think it's a disaster we don't have another free taker because from his free taking I don't think Sheehan is good enough to start. He is not a great fielder he is away too slow for midfield and not mobile. I would love to see Anthony Maher and Mark O Connor together and how they get on together. My Team would be 1 Brian Kelly 2 Brian Begley 3 Tadhg Morley 4 Shane Enright 5 Pail Murphy 6 Mark Griffin 7 Peter Crowley 8 Anthony Maher 9 Mark o Connor 10 Stephen O Brien 11 Colm Cooper 12 Daithi Casey (flying for Crokes this year) 13 Darren o Sullivan 14 Paul Geaney 15 James o Donoghue. Subs Sheehan Donaghy Donnacha Killian Buckley Marc O Mahony Moran BJ Keane and Fionn would make our bench strong and good players for the last 20 or 25 minutes I am a huge fan of Mark O'Connor but feel that he would struggle physically in the modern game at the moment- he needs some time to develop and blooding him now could be a mistake; as for Daithi Casey, he has been away from the panel for a few years and its doubtful if management would be taking him onboard now. Killian will be there come the championship as will most likely Buckley once he recovers; I agree on Sheehan, was found out in Croke Park in league final and feel that he too will struggle to maintain a place, Donaghy not a senior inter county midfielder either given his inability to tackle and also probably has not got the legs to get up and down the pitch- feel that we will revert to Maher and Moran for the business end of the championship though David did not seem to be up to speed yesterday when introduced.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 13, 2016 18:39:40 GMT
I think it's a disaster we don't have another free taker because from his free taking I don't think Sheehan is good enough to start. He is not a great fielder he is away too slow for midfield and not mobile. I would love to see Anthony Maher and Mark O Connor together and how they get on together. My Team would be 1 Brian Kelly 2 Brian Begley 3 Tadhg Morley 4 Shane Enright 5 Pail Murphy 6 Mark Griffin 7 Peter Crowley 8 Anthony Maher 9 Mark o Connor 10 Stephen O Brien 11 Colm Cooper 12 Daithi Casey (flying for Crokes this year) 13 Darren o Sullivan 14 Paul Geaney 15 James o Donoghue. Subs Sheehan Donaghy Donnacha Killian Buckley Marc O Mahony Moran BJ Keane and Fionn would make our bench strong and good players for the last 20 or 25 minutes I am a huge fan of Mark O'Connor but feel that he would struggle physically in the modern game at the moment- he needs some time to develop and blooding him now could be a mistake; as for Daithi Casey, he has been away from the panel for a few years and its doubtful if management would be taking him onboard now. Killian will be there come the championship as will most likely Buckley once he recovers; I agree on Sheehan, was found out in Croke Park in league final and feel that he too will struggle to maintain a place, Donaghy not a senior inter county midfielder either given his inability to tackle and also probably has not got the legs to get up and down the pitch- feel that we will revert to Maher and Moran for the business end of the championship though David did not seem to be up to speed yesterday when introduced. I quite like the look of that team - we've got to get more mobility and pace into midfield. Daithi Casey was very impressive for Crokes against Legion yesterday. Great to see James finally start a game for Legion yesterday. Got 2 points from play but obviously was a bit off the pace of the game. Another league outing for Legion against Desmonds next weekend will bring him on alot and hopefully he might make the bench for the Munster final.
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Post by playitfair on Jun 13, 2016 19:50:56 GMT
Kerry beat Tipp by 6 in last years Munster championship,I'd expect this encounter to be a tad closer I hope I'm wrong but I think Kerry will have much too much for Tipp.
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Post by seaniebo on Jun 13, 2016 21:05:03 GMT
Kerry beat Tipp by 6 in last years Munster championship,I'd expect this encounter to be a tad closer I hope I'm wrong but I think Kerry will have much too much for Tipp. On the grand scheme of things it was a relatively facile day out for Kerry in Thurles last year. I recall the hordes of Tipp fans arriving in confident mood only to be well beaten. The 6 point margin probably flattered them a little. Tipp haven't necessarily improved on last year although this win could spurn them on a bit. The fact is they will miss their absentees and with Kerry that much sharper come Munster Final day (as is expected) I think Tipp will be very much up against it. Not to take from Tipp and this magnificent win but it tells us more where Cork are rather than anything else.
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