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Post by clancy on May 15, 2016 12:44:14 GMT
Sorry it was mr rashers (not me rashers) and piece not purse. I was rushing and this auto spell modern phone is annoying.
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Post by glengael on May 15, 2016 16:56:42 GMT
I got to number 7 and then just wanted to shoot myself in the face. Those list things which have crept into journals of every sort, are tedious. I usually just read the first 5 and the last 5. I see Paul Galvin has started a column in the Sunday Times.
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Post by Mickmack on May 15, 2016 20:30:12 GMT
Life isn't fair. Get over it. We can't all be equal. The belief that everyone is or should be equal holds a lot of people back. If a team wants to get better they need to get motivated, get organised, work harder and stop making excuses. When you make excuses you are only giving yourself a free pass for failing to take care if what you can control. I really think Dublin are a fine, fine team but no team is unbeatable. This whingeaton must stop. Rant over. I think Annascaultilidie and me rashers are making valid points. We say this every year "the all ire winner is unbeatable" until they are beaten. I understand the money ect however in afraid Mick mac is not happy with the dubs dominance due to the fact it stops Kerry being totally dominant. As for the malacy clerkin purse now that's some piece of rubbish. I would like to see several teams challenging and it being spread around more to be honest. I cant wait for the hurling to start as Tipp, KK, Waterford and Clare and even Galway could win it. As stated earlier I feel that things are skewed towards the strong counties.... the qualifiers, the six subs, the money.
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Post by clancy on May 15, 2016 20:47:47 GMT
I think Annascaultilidie and me rashers are making valid points. We say this every year "the all ire winner is unbeatable" until they are beaten. I understand the money ect however in afraid Mick mac is not happy with the dubs dominance due to the fact it stops Kerry being totally dominant. As for the malacy clerkin purse now that's some piece of rubbish. I would like to see several teams challenging and it being spread around more to be honest. I cant wait for the hurling to start as Tipp, KK, Waterford and Clare and even Galway could win it. As stated earlier I feel that things are skewed towards the strong counties.... the qualifiers, the six subs, the money. glad to here. And I agree the hurling has more possibilities. I feel in football the strong/weak gap is growing however I think there are several teams in the strong group. Problem is weaker counties can't keep up as inter county is all but professional in name. How long can lads keep this up??? I certainly would not encourage my children to give up there lives to play co football. Now that's a problem.
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Post by ciarrailar on May 15, 2016 21:00:44 GMT
Thing is that most county footballers tend to do quite well from it. Many get jobs with banks, sponsored cars etc. if their profile is big enough they will do ok..
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Post by kerrygold on May 15, 2016 21:18:49 GMT
Nuts that teams beaten this weekend have to wait 6 weeks for another championship game!
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Post by G_S_J on May 17, 2016 14:36:02 GMT
Nuts that teams beaten this weekend have to wait 6 weeks for another championship game! The whole thing is nuts if you step back and explain our premier competition to someone who's not familiar with it. I'd say it has been horribly outdated for about 20 years now. And we might be waiting another 20 years before hierarchy have the same appetite for change that players, management and fans have.
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Post by Glaschu Gael on May 17, 2016 16:13:47 GMT
Not sure if this is the right thread for this but here goes. Are Kerry getting a new jersey for this years championship. Thanks
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Post by buck02 on May 18, 2016 11:49:53 GMT
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Post by G_S_J on May 18, 2016 12:03:01 GMT
I used to giving out about the county board on here but when it comes for minding the coffers they can't be faulted. In the last few years they've raised huge sums for The Centre of Excellence in Currans and the IT. Also the work on ASP can't be faulted, a new service and more work in the pipeline including, so I here, the new Mitchels end being roofed.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 18, 2016 13:28:38 GMT
I used to giving out about the county board on here but when it comes for minding the coffers they can't be faulted. In the last few years they've raised huge sums for The Centre of Excellence in Currans and the IT. Also the work on ASP can't be faulted, a new service and more work in the pipeline including, so I here, the new Mitchels end being roofed. That's what you get when you give the right people the job!
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Post by Mickmack on May 18, 2016 19:28:38 GMT
Vary good article by Darragh. As he says its running to stand still. And if Kerry are struggling to keep up then the rest will just fall further behind.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 19, 2016 6:35:41 GMT
Vary good article by Darragh. As he says its running to stand still. And if Kerry are struggling to keep up then the rest will just fall further behind. Kerry are not 'struggling to keep up' in finances, they have, and always have had great financial backing. In terms of senior football teams, at the top level (the top 7 or 8 teams) there's only so much you can spend money on that really makes any tangible difference. Beyond a certain point it's simply about having good enough players and a good enough coach & assistants. There have always been most teams miles behind the top 2 or 3 teams. Some that were very strong (Meath) have gone into major decline, and it's not because of money, certainly money is not the key factor there. Nor for Kildare. Offaly maybe but Offaly have been well behind the best since about 15 years, even then they were also-rans. It's the weaker counties that can't keep up in terms of conditioning, training and other expertise. The poor-mouth campaign is a great deflection of the most important issues facing individual counties and the organisation of the games. I do think we are in a slump as far as interest in the games at county level is concerned. People still go in great numbers to some extent but it's more out of a sense of tradition. The competitions desperately need overhaul
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2016 6:40:51 GMT
I hear Paul Galvin is joining Kilmacud Crokes to play hurling.
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Post by kerrygold on May 19, 2016 7:58:55 GMT
Vary good article by Darragh. As he says its running to stand still. And if Kerry are struggling to keep up then the rest will just fall further behind. Kerry are not 'struggling to keep up' in finances, they have, and always have had great financial backing. In terms of senior football teams, at the top level (the top 7 or 8 teams) there's only so much you can spend money on that really makes any tangible difference. Beyond a certain point it's simply about having good enough players and a good enough coach & assistants. There have always been most teams miles behind the top 2 or 3 teams. Some that were very strong (Meath) have gone into major decline, and it's not because of money, certainly money is not the key factor there. Nor for Kildare. Offaly maybe but Offaly have been well behind the best since about 15 years, even then they were also-rans. It's the weaker counties that can't keep up in terms of conditioning, training and other expertise. The poor-mouth campaign is a great deflection of the most important issues facing individual counties and the organisation of the games. I do think we are in a slump as far as interest in the games at county level is concerned. People still go in great numbers to some extent but it's more out of a sense of tradition. The competitions desperately need overhaul Only because Kerry are contesting finals and it is index linked to that. Kerry's fund raising is VW, Dublin's is Porsche by comparison.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 19, 2016 8:32:47 GMT
Money is the same no matter what way you dress it up. Kerry have plenty of money. If Donegal can compete at the top for a few years with less population and much less funding than Kerry, it shows that money only gets you so far.
The main reason Kerry are still very much at the top is because of all the great structures and know-how and coaching, and just sheer effort that they put in. The Centre of Excellence thing may make a difference, who knows. Dublin don't have one. A transitional Kerry team has been in 3 of the last 5 All-I finals, and competed very strongly in the semi-final of one of the other two years.
What does that say about where Kerry will be at senior level as soon as some more talent starts to filter through from the strong underrage set-up they have in place? They reached two All-I finals in a row, the first team to do it in a decade since a truly great Kerry team did it, and they lost by 3 points despite playing very poorly on the day.
What do people propose is done with all the money that goes on county teams, start a transfer system? Because there isn't one. And that's why the playing field is not very unlevel for the bigger counties. Niall Moyna has been one of the recognised experts in physical conditioning in sport for many years. He has worked with several different counties.
Cork are a huge county with excellent resources, or potential resources. Their recent decline (which hasn't been anything unusual in football historically) is certainly not to do with money first and foremost. And anything financial that may be relevant is to do with how they financial side of things is run there. If Cork got their act together they would be winning a hell of alot more. Question that really needs asking is what are the problems, in each individual case? Perhaps GAA in Cork at the county level is no longer the priority it was in the past.
And that probably goes for several or many other counties. And is it such a bad thing? If the focus goes more back to clubs, the inter-county thing will be devalued and the drive towards professionalistic type structures and games will decline. And the ponsorship will decline. The only question then will be, will decline in standards at that level badly affect the assoc overall? It may do in terms of competing with other sports I suppose. And then there's the whole side to it that alot of money from inter-county competitions goes back into grassroots. That will reduce too.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2016 9:05:26 GMT
I was under the impression that Donegal have been well-bankrolled over the last few years.
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Post by jackiel on May 19, 2016 9:48:55 GMT
I was under the impression that Donegal have been well-bankrolled over the last few years. Indeed they have, they had some wealthy ex pats in UK bankrolling their setup particularly in McGuinness' time. An indicator of the wealth of any county team is the size of the backroom team and the number of extra bodies carried to and kitted out for matches. Less well off counties wont carry too many subs beyond the quota, some of the extended panel wont have the full kit and they probably don't have cases of Lucozade Sport and bottled water or Jaffa Cakes.
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Post by skybluezone on May 19, 2016 13:08:08 GMT
I was under the impression that Donegal have been well-bankrolled over the last few years. Indeed they have, they had some wealthy ex pats in UK bankrolling their setup particularly in McGuinness' time. An indicator of the wealth of any county team is the size of the backroom team and the number of extra bodies carried to and kitted out for matches. Less well off counties wont carry too many subs beyond the quota, some of the extended panel wont have the full kit and they probably don't have cases of Lucozade Sport and bottled water or Jaffa Cakes. Agree, Donegal weren't/aren't short of a few quid. I think Rashers point is that money is money, and it doesn't matter whether it's received via the corporate environment or through private funding the colour is still the same. There are a cadre of counties that have nothing like the access to funds that Dublin have, but that is not to say that they don't raise enough to ensure that all expenses are covered in terms of preparation. I would list Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, and Cork among that group. These counties cannot point to lack of funding as the source of their "relative failure" for want of a better phrase. Meath and Kildare are two counties who need to do more with what they have, I'm sure there will be no lack of corporate benefactors wanting to jump on board once they become competitive. On a point of order, as Rashers has already said, and as have I more than once, Dublin don't have a centre of excellence. In Leinster I have been to these self same centres in Louth, Kildare and Wicklow to name but a few. In fact I'm nearly sure that in a recent interview I read with the Louth manager (Colin Kelly?) he was saying that there centre of excellence in Darver is too remote for players to travel to. That was the gist of it I think, jesus christ what an argument. Methinks that a centre of excellence is no guarantee of anything... Dublin don't do La Manga and the like either, although I think they went to Ballybunion once! They do of course do the team holiday post the champo, they are entitled to that I would suggest.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 19, 2016 13:23:41 GMT
Looking at the media campaign/discourse/agenda of the last two years, because that's what it is, I think there's an amount of mischievous people out there who are operating the policy that the more you say something, and the more you say it like it must be true and 'everybody knows this', the more true it becomes. It sinks into people's minds, policy-makers minds, members minds, referees' minds, CCCC's minds and so on.
And of course, it's a nice juicy dose of 'fear' that plays on the prejudices of people, in a time when writers, and journalists are struggling for things to talk about. Or else they are just being lazy.
Just around the corner most of the cornerstones of the Dublin footballers' success of the last few years will be gone, and as soon as a great new era of dominance for Kerry begins, it will be interesting to see what all these people are saying then. There won't be any massive saturation of finance/resources agenda, of that you can be sure.
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Post by buck02 on May 19, 2016 13:41:38 GMT
Looking at the media campaign/discourse/agenda of the last two years, because that's what it is, I think there's an amount of mischievous people out there who are operating the policy that the more you say something, and the more you say it like it must be true and 'everybody knows this', the more true it becomes. It sinks into people's minds, policy-makers minds, members minds, referees' minds, CCCC's minds and so on. And of course, it's a nice juicy dose of 'fear' that plays on the prejudices of people, in a time when writers, and journalists are struggling for things to talk about. Or else they are just being lazy. Just around the corner most of the cornerstones of the Dublin footballers' success of the last few years will be gone, and as soon as a great new era of dominance for Kerry begins, it will be interesting to see what all these people are saying then. There won't be any massive saturation of finance/resources agenda, of that you can be sure. It didn't seep into policy makers minds when they fixed Dublin's game against Laois for Kilkenny. Or when the CCCC/DRA made the decision on Diarmuid Connolly's 2 red cards in semi finals in recent years or when a certain referee from Cavan got swept along in blue euphoria in a final a few years ago. Your attempts to create some kind of an "us versus the world" scenario about this is funny.
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Post by dano on May 19, 2016 14:01:08 GMT
WOW ! Dublin winning these AllIrelands and them not even having a center of excellance ! Unbelievable. I'm not one of the split Dublin in two brigade or anything and don't play the poor mouth when it comes to Kerry. DCU is as good a center of excellance as is in the country.
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Post by kerrygold on May 19, 2016 14:46:36 GMT
Looking at the media campaign/discourse/agenda of the last two years, because that's what it is, I think there's an amount of mischievous people out there who are operating the policy that the more you say something, and the more you say it like it must be true and 'everybody knows this', the more true it becomes. It sinks into people's minds, policy-makers minds, members minds, referees' minds, CCCC's minds and so on. And of course, it's a nice juicy dose of 'fear' that plays on the prejudices of people, in a time when writers, and journalists are struggling for things to talk about. Or else they are just being lazy. Just around the corner most of the cornerstones of the Dublin footballers' success of the last few years will be gone, and as soon as a great new era of dominance for Kerry begins, it will be interesting to see what all these people are saying then. There won't be any massive saturation of finance/resources agenda, of that you can be sure. Hilarious post considering the role Des Dublin played on the Dublin Game throughout the summer of 2011 building up to the phantom free from the in-house ref in Dubs Park and the outpouring of blue relief. All the Dublin springs series flowered in one flush!
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Post by kerrygold on May 19, 2016 14:52:45 GMT
Indeed they have, they had some wealthy ex pats in UK bankrolling their setup particularly in McGuinness' time. An indicator of the wealth of any county team is the size of the backroom team and the number of extra bodies carried to and kitted out for matches. Less well off counties wont carry too many subs beyond the quota, some of the extended panel wont have the full kit and they probably don't have cases of Lucozade Sport and bottled water or Jaffa Cakes. Agree, Donegal weren't/aren't short of a few quid. I think Rashers point is that money is money, and it doesn't matter whether it's received via the corporate environment or through private funding the colour is still the same. There are a cadre of counties that have nothing like the access to funds that Dublin have, but that is not to say that they don't raise enough to ensure that all expenses are covered in terms of preparation. I would list Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, and Cork among that group. These counties cannot point to lack of funding as the source of their "relative failure" for want of a better phrase. Meath and Kildare are two counties who need to do more with what they have, I'm sure there will be no lack of corporate benefactors wanting to jump on board once they become competitive. On a point of order, as Rashers has already said, and as have I more than once, Dublin don't have a centre of excellence. In Leinster I have been to these self same centres in Louth, Kildare and Wicklow to name but a few. In fact I'm nearly sure that in a recent interview I read with the Louth manager (Colin Kelly?) he was saying that there centre of excellence in Darver is too remote for players to travel to. That was the gist of it I think, jesus christ what an argument. Methinks that a centre of excellence is no guarantee of anything... Dublin don't do La Manga and the like either, although I think they went to Ballybunion once! They do of course do the team holiday post the champo, they are entitled to that I would suggest. It could be argued that Dublin have several centres of excellence in Dublin city dotted around the various universities, not to mention the Phoenix Park. Didn't your man Moyna have special sound effects in place in one of those large university sports hall to mimic the actual ferocity of the Croker roar as Dermo and Berno practised their frees inside this building, during the caterpillar years or was that the earwig years?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 19, 2016 15:33:09 GMT
Looking at the media campaign/discourse/agenda of the last two years, because that's what it is, I think there's an amount of mischievous people out there who are operating the policy that the more you say something, and the more you say it like it must be true and 'everybody knows this', the more true it becomes. It sinks into people's minds, policy-makers minds, members minds, referees' minds, CCCC's minds and so on. And of course, it's a nice juicy dose of 'fear' that plays on the prejudices of people, in a time when writers, and journalists are struggling for things to talk about. Or else they are just being lazy. Just around the corner most of the cornerstones of the Dublin footballers' success of the last few years will be gone, and as soon as a great new era of dominance for Kerry begins, it will be interesting to see what all these people are saying then. There won't be any massive saturation of finance/resources agenda, of that you can be sure. It didn't seep into policy makers minds when they fixed Dublin's game against Laois for Kilkenny. Or when the CCCC/DRA made the decision on Diarmuid Connolly's 2 red cards in semi finals in recent years or when a certain referee from Cavan got swept along in blue euphoria in a final a few years ago. Your attempts to create some kind of an "us versus the world" scenario about this is funny. We all know that whether the Laois-Dublin game was played in Nolan or O'Moore makes little or no difference to the expected outcome. It never has done, and any Leinster games that were expected to draw more than 20-25,000 were always in Croker. My reference to who or what may be influenced by the incessant campaign in the media was with the accumulated effect of what is happening right now in mind - in other words that eventually it gathers enough momentum, force, and influence to do so. It's not so long ago that many posters on here believed 100% that elements in the media & GAA had it in for them and were bringing influence to bear........ As for the ref a few years ago, regardless of the argument about his performance, that was long before this obsessional and overwhelming campaign began. As I said above, it started about 2 years ago, after Jim Gavin and some of the players from previous and who joined the squad after 2013 began to prove they could be more successful, and play great football to boot. The ref in 2011 obsession was a different one, another campaign. Though clearly of similar origin. By the way, how does someone get swept along in a euphoria which hadn't yet happened? Must have been a fortune teller so!
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 19, 2016 15:41:46 GMT
Agree, Donegal weren't/aren't short of a few quid. I think Rashers point is that money is money, and it doesn't matter whether it's received via the corporate environment or through private funding the colour is still the same. There are a cadre of counties that have nothing like the access to funds that Dublin have, but that is not to say that they don't raise enough to ensure that all expenses are covered in terms of preparation. I would list Kerry, Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, and Cork among that group. These counties cannot point to lack of funding as the source of their "relative failure" for want of a better phrase. Meath and Kildare are two counties who need to do more with what they have, I'm sure there will be no lack of corporate benefactors wanting to jump on board once they become competitive. On a point of order, as Rashers has already said, and as have I more than once, Dublin don't have a centre of excellence. In Leinster I have been to these self same centres in Louth, Kildare and Wicklow to name but a few. In fact I'm nearly sure that in a recent interview I read with the Louth manager (Colin Kelly?) he was saying that there centre of excellence in Darver is too remote for players to travel to. That was the gist of it I think, jesus christ what an argument. Methinks that a centre of excellence is no guarantee of anything... Dublin don't do La Manga and the like either, although I think they went to Ballybunion once! They do of course do the team holiday post the champo, they are entitled to that I would suggest. It could be argued that Dublin have several centres of excellence in Dublin city dotted around the various universities, not to mention the Phoenix Park. Didn't your man Moyna have special sound effects in place in one of those large university sports hall to mimic the actual ferocity of the Croker roar as Dermo and Berno practised their frees inside this building, during the caterpillar years or was that the earwig years? And there was me thinking Cork had a university, and Limerick. Must have been my imgaination, it gets a bit creative at times. Fair enough so, the Kerry region is some sort of wasteland as regards facilities you say. Never mind all that though, sure certain people have always been telling us that the reason some teams have & had the success they have/had was because of a secret ingredient. Many secret ingredients. And training on mountains and beaches. At what point did those untouchable, indefineable ingredients cease to be as good as mere training facilities? Just a few short years ago we were never done hearing things like "Dublin are over-trained, and undercooked, and one of the reasons they can't beat the top teams in Ireland is because they don't have those ingredients that really make the difference, the X-factor." Oh yeah, and they don't have natural footballers. My my how opinions have changed.................and come home to roost. As for your using the Phoenix Park as evidence, oh deer.......
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on May 19, 2016 15:50:54 GMT
WOW ! Dublin winning these AllIrelands and them not even having a center of excellance ! Unbelievable. I'm not one of the split Dublin in two brigade or anything and don't play the poor mouth when it comes to Kerry. DCU is as good a center of excellance as is in the country. It's also available for use by all the county players based in Dublin, of whom there are many, and has been well-used by them. Will the new Kerry centre be available to all too? Next thing we'll be hearing is that the Sports' Surgery Clinic is more proof of all this apparent advantage. Sure why not throw in The Zoo as well? There's probably a cloning scientist on the team looking at giraffes because we don't have players as tall as some counties in midfield.
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Post by southward on May 19, 2016 17:27:58 GMT
Money is the same no matter what way you dress it up. Kerry have plenty of money. If Donegal can compete at the top for a few years with less population and much less funding than Kerry, it shows that money only gets you so far.
Donegal has a bigger population than Kerry.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 19, 2016 17:31:53 GMT
Money is the same no matter what way you dress it up. Kerry have plenty of money. If Donegal can compete at the top for a few years with less population and much less funding than Kerry, it shows that money only gets you so far.
Donegal has a bigger population than Kerry. Surely there are more adult football players in Kerry (than Donegal). This is the more relevant stat (how many adult players in Dublin vs Kerry?).
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Post by ansúilleabhánach on May 19, 2016 18:50:27 GMT
Looking at the media campaign/discourse/agenda of the last two years, because that's what it is, I think there's an amount of mischievous people out there who are operating the policy that the more you say something, and the more you say it like it must be true and 'everybody knows this', the more true it becomes. It sinks into people's minds, policy-makers minds, members minds, referees' minds, CCCC's minds and so on. And of course, it's a nice juicy dose of 'fear' that plays on the prejudices of people, in a time when writers, and journalists are struggling for things to talk about. Or else they are just being lazy. ...e.g., were one to repeatedly link, say, 'Iraq' with 'Al Qaeda' or 'WMD'!? This astute observation can be applied to more than sport. MrRashers, i have always enjoyed your posts, but you've brought it to a new level on this thread. Are you juicing!? It's like watching Cú Chulainn swatting aside the horde of Queen Maedhbh here. PS I call Godwin's Law on any Joe McQuillan reference. Admin, give the Dub the title belt!!
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