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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 4, 2016 2:31:37 GMT
congrats rashers, kick of the ball between them, still scratching my head with our choice of goalie. He cost us 1-4 before he was carded. Dubs lost chances also and which is understandable given the pressure and it is this factor that really questions the Robbie decision and moreover as Clarke saved yer bacon on more than one occasion the first day. New management will also err and Rochford was in at the deep end like no manager ever was; he never managed a county team yet here he was facing what is arguably the all time best Dublin team with a team that was 99% as good as them. That is the cruelty of sports and which under the circumstances is unimaginable, still this Mayo team will be there for a few years to come and appetites for next years games have been whetted. Mayo with a few inside forwards from the the u21's would be formidable and hopefully we can give our panel a sprinkle a few of our own rookies, so the '17 final will be very interesting indeed!!!!! Anyway keep the spirit up, yew gave us 170+ mins of amazing stuff and despite the tests I have never known yew to be unsporting!
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Post by colinsworth1 on Oct 4, 2016 2:54:50 GMT
still scratching my head with our choice of goal ie. He cost us 1-4 before he was carded. Not only that but it was also the cause of both black cards. That would have been 2 more subs for Mayo which would probably have helped their cause. For example it could have been Coen for Macauley and Barrett for Costello when they came on which might have reduced their impact somewhat. I don't ever remember a change like that backfiring so spectacularly. You'd really feel for Hennelly. On another matter, does anybody think the anti-Keegan media campaign contributed to his black card yesterday. While it was a cynical foul it wasn't technically a black card as it didn't meet any of the black card foul descriptions. Lastly, and possibly most importantly this Dublin teams refusal to be beaten and will to win is very admirable. They really do seem to do whatever necessary to win the game. Congrats to all the Dub posters on here. [ Not to be complaining after the fact but Keegan was a dead man walking before a ball was kicked the dogs on the street knew that Maybe mayo management should have given him a more offensive role and had someone else take Connolly On a more general note I feel Mayo forwards look like they were short on prep and not practiced on shooting Aidan was shooting better last year as were the two o connors that shows how the defensive work was done at the expense of the forward play and mayo simply did not put enough work into the scoring part of the game The tacking was good but sloppy and gave away too many frees Mayo will be back no doubt the world waits with baited breath they are real close now,
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Post by wayupnorth on Oct 4, 2016 5:37:01 GMT
Crazy to think that in the whole of Leinster there isn't a single team that can test Dublin like Mayo and Kerry did. Not Dublin's fault of course and not even a consequence of Dublin's provincial dominance. Not another Leinster team in Division 1 and all out of the Championship before the Quarters. You could say that we weren't tested either before the Semî but for us in that respect 2016 was a freak year. Mayo had a long hard slog through the qualifiers and a fairytale would have dictated that this would be the year they finally triumphed but life isn't a fairytale. Great to see the green and red shoots of recovery already appearing. They are a fine team and no one would begrudge them a title when it finally happens
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Post by kot on Oct 4, 2016 7:33:11 GMT
Having watched the match again the introduction of Costelloe but more particularly MDMA clinched the game for the Dubs. Costelloe scored super points and MDMA was immense and didn't put a foot wrong. And still Mayo had a chance to level at the end . Last years efforts by Mayo against the Dubs were replicated - proof if needed that Mayo are presently the only team capable of rattling the Dubs. What ifs apply after every sporting encounter but we know what the result would be if what if didn't apply here. And this will hurt Mayo for a long long time. Anybody remember 1982 ... ? Were we not level in injury time in the semi?
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 4, 2016 8:42:12 GMT
Some interesting articles in de Paper www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/the-hard-questions-mayo-must-ask-to-reach-the-summit-424069.htmlKey bit here from Shannon This is massive - when people talk about small margins, I think this is a huge one. As a defender it's so much more difficult to defend a player who's capable of shooting off both feet. The thing is trying to develop this once you are a senior footballer is way way too late - you need to be doing this from the get-go so it's instinct. Also he has an interesting point on the notion of Aidan O'Shea and his development. There are moments in games where Aidan shows flashes of awesomeness but all too often these are balanced by those moments where he's playing the type of football you see at an under 6 or under 8s game where you have one freakishly early developer who looks like he should be playing with the U12s or U14s - ploughing through lads half his size, holding onto the ball too long, only looking for the pass when all other options are cut off and taking poor shooting choices. As Shannon says when you look at how others in the Mayo squad have developed it There was also this article by Ed Coughlan on the practical difficulties faced by Mayo as compared to Dublin in simply arranging training sessions. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/the-biggest-obstacle-between-mayo-and-glory-their-location-424072.htmlIt's one thing just having to go to training but having to commute 3 hours beforehand and 3 hours afterwards surely has to make things far far harder. It would be interesting to see the difference in how much expenses cost the Dublin County Board versus the Mayo County Board. I think this would be interesting to consider for Kerry as well and it's a pity that the article doesn't go into it more. As far as I'm aware the number of Kerry players who are in Dublin would be fairly small at the moment and over recent years the number has been fairly low. I remember Eamonn Fitzmaurice mentioning the fact that Tadgh Morley had got a job in Kerry as opposed to Dublin being a positive a few months back. The points about the Santry Clinic is one that's relevant to Kerry as well as I've heard of a fair few Kerry players being up there when they've had injuries or knocks.
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 4, 2016 9:51:18 GMT
Mayo don't have a marquee forward, a real out and out scorer from play. You won't win the All-Ireland without at least one.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 10:24:40 GMT
Good piece from Shannon and pretty much on the money I'd say. While coming up short by only one point over two games the simple truth is that they weren't good enough to beat Dublin.
Dublin do multiples of small collective things exceptionally well over the course of the game. The execution of the skills of the game, winning 50/50 balls, their decision making and their awareness in the moment is all excellent. This provides the platform for Cluxton to sling the short and long arrows with his kick outs. The focus was on pushing up on Cluxton this summer as a means to stifling Dublin but he adapted and his some of his long kick outs were sublime.
Dublin have won three finals by one point because of their attention to small detail and doing the right thing all the time over and over again.
I'd really like to see a team step up to the plate and match Dublin pound for pound in the way Dublin go about their business. Neither Kerry or Mayo have done this during Dublin's last three championship winning years. I don't believe Dublin are light years ahead in the top three group but are collectively brilliant and this accumulative by-product gets them over the line in the heel of the hunt.
Gavin pulled a three pointer rabbit from the hat in Cormac Costello in the final quarter of the game. That is a ball breaker for any team to deal with when are they straining to hold onto a game. Some big decisions and questions for the Mayo setup over the coming months when they get over this recent loss.
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Post by Dermot on Oct 4, 2016 10:28:00 GMT
While talking about the game to a nephew of mine yesterday, he said to me that "Mayo were too comfortable losing an AI final at this stage" .... Sounds harsh but there may be a smidgen of reality there
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Post by onlykerry on Oct 4, 2016 10:32:01 GMT
The analysis season has kicked in and all the old "Dublin has advantages" will be rolled out - most of this is geographic and we can do nothing about the number of miles that Kerry or Mayo players have to clock up. Sit in Dublin traffic and distance translates to time. The one "Dublin advantage" that constantly bugs me is the way they always get to warm up in front of the Hill and the way the Hill is Dublin territory - this totally makes a lie of Croke Park being a neutral venue and Parnell being Dublin's real home. No section of a Neutral ground in GAA should be dominated by one set of supporters. People will argue it brings colour and atmosphere - it gives Dublin a huge advantage and that is fact.
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Post by baurtregaum on Oct 4, 2016 12:08:48 GMT
The analysis season has kicked in and all the old "Dublin has advantages" will be rolled out - most of this is geographic and we can do nothing about the number of miles that Kerry or Mayo players have to clock up. Sit in Dublin traffic and distance translates to time. The one "Dublin advantage" that constantly bugs me is the way they always get to warm up in front of the Hill and the way the Hill is Dublin territory - this totally makes a lie of Croke Park being a neutral venue and Parnell being Dublin's real home. No section of a Neutral ground in GAA should be dominated by one set of supporters. People will argue it brings colour and atmosphere - it gives Dublin a huge advantage and that is fact. The GAA should really tell Dublin to either redevelop Parnell or build a new 35k stadium somewhere. A lot of work involved but it should be done. The hill is an advantage but the Dubs seem happy to swap stand tickets to go there. It is their home venue in reality.
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Post by Dermot on Oct 4, 2016 12:15:38 GMT
I dont mind the Dubs warming up in front of the hill .. The hill is always mostly Dubs when they're there and its been like that as long as anyone can remember, so it doesnt bother me in the slightest ... I think it adds to the whole thing actually ..
The Dubs are winning at the minute because they are the best team about, no question about that ..
If there is an issue to be resolved, its the differentials between the money going to different counties .. Dublin are certainly getting a good bit more than their fair share.. to the detriment of others, especially the smaller counties, where surely the money "should" be going.
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 4, 2016 12:16:00 GMT
The analysis season has kicked in and all the old "Dublin has advantages" will be rolled out - most of this is geographic and we can do nothing about the number of miles that Kerry or Mayo players have to clock up. Sit in Dublin traffic and distance translates to time. The one "Dublin advantage" that constantly bugs me is the way they always get to warm up in front of the Hill and the way the Hill is Dublin territory - this totally makes a lie of Croke Park being a neutral venue and Parnell being Dublin's real home. No section of a Neutral ground in GAA should be dominated by one set of supporters. People will argue it brings colour and atmosphere - it gives Dublin a huge advantage and that is fact. Yeah but if you're heading to Mayo or Kerry or Donegal from Dublin odds are this extra traffic will be added on to your journey (at least heading one way) Overall I'd imagine if you looked at the time the Mayo squad spent travelling to training versus the amount the Dublin squad did, there would be a fairly sizable difference. No-one but cranks believe the idea that Parnell Park is Dublin's real home.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Oct 4, 2016 12:48:22 GMT
I dont mind the Dubs warming up in front of the hill .. The hill is always mostly Dubs when they're there and its been like that as long as anyone can remember, so it doesnt bother me in the slightest ... I think it adds to the whole thing actually .. The Dubs are winning at the minute because they are the best team about, no question about that .. If there is an issue to be resolved, its the differentials between the money going to different counties .. Dublin are certainly getting a good bit more than their fair share.. to the detriment of others, especially the smaller counties, where surely the money "should" be going. Show me your stats to prove that about funding. Latest I've seen outline that Dublin gets 15% of the funding but has 25% of the population.
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Post by Dermot on Oct 4, 2016 13:49:07 GMT
I dont mind the Dubs warming up in front of the hill .. The hill is always mostly Dubs when they're there and its been like that as long as anyone can remember, so it doesnt bother me in the slightest ... I think it adds to the whole thing actually .. The Dubs are winning at the minute because they are the best team about, no question about that .. If there is an issue to be resolved, its the differentials between the money going to different counties .. Dublin are certainly getting a good bit more than their fair share.. to the detriment of others, especially the smaller counties, where surely the money "should" be going. Show me your stats to prove that about funding. Latest I've seen outline that Dublin gets 15% of the funding but has 25% of the population. Yes Rashers, Im really going to run off now and get those stats for you ,... you just wait there You really find it extremely difficult "giving anything" dont you !! ... the world and his granny know the truth about Dublins funding but you just cant admit it because you seem to think it tarnishes Dublins recent success ... is that it ?
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Post by peanuts on Oct 4, 2016 13:57:04 GMT
Show me your stats to prove that about funding. Latest I've seen outline that Dublin gets 15% of the funding but has 25% of the population. Yes Rashers, Im really going to run off now and get those stats for you ,... you just wait there You really find it extremely difficult "giving anything" dont you !! ... the world and his granny know the truth about Dublins funding but you just cant admit it because you seem to think it tarnishes Dublins recent success ... is that it ? Its' ok Dermo, I got your back. The below is from the Irish Times. Dublin claiming the bulk of GAA’s development funds
Annual financial report for 2014 shows capital netting more than the other combined 31 counties
Thu, Feb 5, 2015, 01:00 Ian O'Riordan Not for the first time the GAA has found itself defending an apparent bias in funding towards Dublin. Figures released in the 2014 financial report show that Dublin received €1.46 million for games development – more than the other 31 counties combined.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 15:26:02 GMT
The analysis season has kicked in and all the old "Dublin has advantages" will be rolled out - most of this is geographic and we can do nothing about the number of miles that Kerry or Mayo players have to clock up. Sit in Dublin traffic and distance translates to time. The one "Dublin advantage" that constantly bugs me is the way they always get to warm up in front of the Hill and the way the Hill is Dublin territory - this totally makes a lie of Croke Park being a neutral venue and Parnell being Dublin's real home. No section of a Neutral ground in GAA should be dominated by one set of supporters. People will argue it brings colour and atmosphere - it gives Dublin a huge advantage and that is fact. The GAA should really tell Dublin to either redevelop Parnell or build a new 35k stadium somewhere. A lot of work involved but it should be done. The hill is an advantage but the Dubs seem happy to swap stand tickets to go there. It is their home venue in reality. Fully agree and have been saying it for a while that Dublin should build their own stadium in the Capital. If it was managed properly the Dubs could become self funding if the new stadium was developed into an events centre thus freeing up a lot of capital to be shared out around the other counties. The Spring series in Croker should definitely be culled. It gives Dublin access and familiarisation with the venue that no other county enjoys. Playing in Croke Park is probably worth plus 5 points at a conservative estimate to Dublin before a ball is kicked.
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Post by dano on Oct 4, 2016 15:40:41 GMT
I've no problem with The Dubs having Croke Park or most of the population or most of the funds. It makes it all the more satisfying when we bring them down. My greatest sporting memory is from Sept 1975. We've had many a win since and we'll have many more . They have set the bar for this era and talk of their proximity to training and other facilities is not the way to scale that bar.
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Post by glengael on Oct 4, 2016 16:11:57 GMT
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 17:44:23 GMT
Great piece by JMG, he nails it all perfectly in that article. I could very easily have got up off my seat and headed down the road after the Lee Keegan black card that followed the Johnny Cooper one. Deegan bought into the Dublin antics and the most influential Mayo player on the field walked. Any morsel of respect I had for Deegan remaining from the 2008 final drained instantly. The black card isn't fit for purpose and neither are the refs to implement it. Rock spend the whole first half barging into and harassing Keith Higgins after each of his scores. Should he not have been black carded for this? Seems none of the seven officials saw it or didn't want to see it.
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 4, 2016 19:04:03 GMT
Great piece by JMG, he nails it all perfectly in that article. I could very easily have got up off my seat and headed down the road after the Lee Keegan black card that followed the Johnny Cooper one. Deegan bought into the Dublin antics and the most influential Mayo player on the field walked. Any morsel of respect I had for Deegan remaining from the 2008 final drained instantly. The black card isn't fit for purpose and neither are the refs to implement it. Rock spend the whole first half barging into and harassing Keith Higgins after each of his scores. Should he not have been black carded for this? Seems none of the seven officials saw it or didn't want to see it. So by the spirit of the law Cooper deserved to go and Keegan didnt? McGuinness refers to it in his piece. Something along the lines of "mickey mouse incidents in midfield areas are not what the black card is for". I dont know if Keegans was a black card to be honest, but I do know it was introduced for exactly that type of situation. No??? Plus Deegan was under immense pressure to even things up. Another thing, had you not already lost respect for Deegan just before the Keegan incident? The one where Doherty ploughed into Cooper after the goal was scored and Deegan and his umpires decided that it was grand, not worthy of a card of any colour. On the Rock thing, I noticed that too, but Ive since heard that Dublin explicity went out to ensure they werent bullied by Mayo. The first game was punctuated by multiple Mayo players engaging in this sort of thing. COC AOS Higgins Keegan Boyle DOC for starters. But when Mayo do it its known as 100% commitment and not taking a backward step etc. darragh would be proud. I dont enjoy this tit for tat *e, but what bugs me is that objectivity usually goes out the window when Dublin are involved. Thats a fact.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 19:13:31 GMT
Great piece by JMG, he nails it all perfectly in that article. I could very easily have got up off my seat and headed down the road after the Lee Keegan black card that followed the Johnny Cooper one. Deegan bought into the Dublin antics and the most influential Mayo player on the field walked. Any morsel of respect I had for Deegan remaining from the 2008 final drained instantly. The black card isn't fit for purpose and neither are the refs to implement it. Rock spend the whole first half barging into and harassing Keith Higgins after each of his scores. Should he not have been black carded for this? Seems none of the seven officials saw it or didn't want to see it. So by the spirit of the law Cooper deserved to go and Keegan didnt? McGuinness refers to it in his piece. Something along the lines of "mickey mouse incidents in midfield areas are not what the black card is for". I dont know if Keegans was a black card to be honest, but I do know it was introduced for exactly that type of situation. No??? Plus Deegan was under immense pressure to even things up. Another thing, had you not already lost respect for Deegan just before the Keegan incident? The one where Doherty ploughed into Cooper after the goal was scored and Deegan and his umpires decided that it was grand, not worthy of a card of any colour. On the Rock thing, I noticed that too, but Ive since heard that Dublin explicity went out to ensure they werent bullied by Mayo. The first game was punctuated by multiple Mayo players engaging in this sort of thing. COC AOS Higgins Keegan Boyle DOC for starters. But when Mayo do it its known as 100% commitment and not taking a backward step etc. darragh would be proud. I dont enjoy this tit for tat *e, but what bugs me is that objectivity usually goes out the window when Dublin are involved. Thats a fact. Sorry to disappoint you but I think the Cooper black card was bull* also. If you were reading the forum closely you would have seen my earlier opinion on it. Typical Dublin persecution complex. The Rock thing was very ugly during the duration of the first half.
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 4, 2016 20:21:03 GMT
This was a game that before throw in both sets of players knew was going to be a battle. Neither could be seen to bow to the other, I'd heard early in the day Flynner was going to midfield, but I didn't believe it to tell the truth. But as the ball was about to be thrown in Tom Parsons set about letting Flynner know he was there, Flynner was having none of it and and the tone was set. There was battles and scuffles of the ball everywhere . No one was giving an inch. Go onto a Mayo blog and they will give you at least 7 examples of dirty play by Dubs. Go onto a Dubs page and they equally will give you at last 7 examples of Mayo off the ball stuff. Looking back on game it was a pure battle where both sets of players gave everything to contain their opposing number. This game all about nullifying the opponents and keeping posession and being patient. To be honest if I was Mayo I'd be fuming over Keegan black card, I thought it was harsh, John Small was also very lucky to stay on the pitch. I actually think Keegan paid the price because Johnny Cooper had already gone, not the percieved witch hunt. Mc Loughlan was very lucky also. Felt sorry for Mayo players at the end they gave so much . But unbelievably proud of the Dubs, they looked like the team that was searching for their first Sam in 60 years , the way they battled through Donegal, Kerry and Mayo . Next year I genuinely feel we will be stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2016 20:21:22 GMT
Great piece by JMG, he nails it all perfectly in that article. I could very easily have got up off my seat and headed down the road after the Lee Keegan black card that followed the Johnny Cooper one. Deegan bought into the Dublin antics and the most influential Mayo player on the field walked. Any morsel of respect I had for Deegan remaining from the 2008 final drained instantly. The black card isn't fit for purpose and neither are the refs to implement it. Rock spend the whole first half barging into and harassing Keith Higgins after each of his scores. Should he not have been black carded for this? Seems none of the seven officials saw it or didn't want to see it. So by the spirit of the law Cooper deserved to go and Keegan didnt? McGuinness refers to it in his piece. Something along the lines of "mickey mouse incidents in midfield areas are not what the black card is for". I dont know if Keegans was a black card to be honest, but I do know it was introduced for exactly that type of situation. No??? Plus Deegan was under immense pressure to even things up. Another thing, had you not already lost respect for Deegan just before the Keegan incident? The one where Doherty ploughed into Cooper after the goal was scored and Deegan and his umpires decided that it was grand, not worthy of a card of any colour. On the Rock thing, I noticed that too, but Ive since heard that Dublin explicity went out to ensure they werent bullied by Mayo. The first game was punctuated by multiple Mayo players engaging in this sort of thing. COC AOS Higgins Keegan Boyle DOC for starters. But when Mayo do it its known as 100% commitment and not taking a backward step etc. darragh would be proud. I dont enjoy this tit for tat *e, but what bugs me is that objectivity usually goes out the window when Dublin are involved. Thats a fact. Pathetic, yeah we are the ones who are not objective. Plenty of filth on that Dublin team also.
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 4, 2016 20:25:31 GMT
So by the spirit of the law Cooper deserved to go and Keegan didnt? McGuinness refers to it in his piece. Something along the lines of "mickey mouse incidents in midfield areas are not what the black card is for". I dont know if Keegans was a black card to be honest, but I do know it was introduced for exactly that type of situation. No??? Plus Deegan was under immense pressure to even things up. Another thing, had you not already lost respect for Deegan just before the Keegan incident? The one where Doherty ploughed into Cooper after the goal was scored and Deegan and his umpires decided that it was grand, not worthy of a card of any colour. On the Rock thing, I noticed that too, but Ive since heard that Dublin explicity went out to ensure they werent bullied by Mayo. The first game was punctuated by multiple Mayo players engaging in this sort of thing. COC AOS Higgins Keegan Boyle DOC for starters. But when Mayo do it its known as 100% commitment and not taking a backward step etc. darragh would be proud. I dont enjoy this tit for tat *e, but what bugs me is that objectivity usually goes out the window when Dublin are involved. Thats a fact. Sorry to disappoint you but I think the Cooper black card was bull* also. If you were reading the forum closely you would have seen my earlier opinion on it. Typical Dublin persecution complex. The Rock thing was very ugly during the duration of the first half. The phrases "Dublin antics" and "typical Dublin persecution complex" say everything about your lack of objectivity. I'll leave it there.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 20:25:34 GMT
This was a game that before throw in both sets of players knew was going to be a battle. Neither could be seen to bow to the other, I'd heard early in the day Flynner was going to midfield, but I didn't believe it to tell the truth. But as the ball was about to be thrown in Tom Parsons set about letting Flynner know he was there, Flynner was having none of it and and the tone was set. There was battles and scuffles of the ball everywhere . No one was giving an inch. Go onto a Mayo blog and they will give you at least 7 examples of dirty play by Dubs. Go onto a Dubs page and they equally will give you at last 7 examples of Mayo off the ball stuff. Looking back on game it was a pure battle where both sets of players gave everything to contain their opposing number. This game all about nullifying the opponents and keeping posession and being patient. To be honest if I was Mayo I'd be fuming over Keegan black card, I thought it was harsh, John Small was also very lucky to stay on the pitch. I actually think Keegan paid the price because Johnny Cooper had already gone, not the percieved witch hunt. Mc Loughlan was very lucky also. Felt sorry for Mayo players at the end they gave so much . But unbelievably proud of the Dubs, they looked like the team that was searching for their first Sam in 60 years , the way they battled through Donegal, Kerry and Mayo . Next year I genuinely feel we will be stronger. Fair play, good post. I think Deegan's application of the black card took away from this game in a huge way.
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 4, 2016 20:29:46 GMT
Sorry to disappoint you but I think the Cooper black card was bull* also. If you were reading the forum closely you would have seen my earlier opinion on it. Typical Dublin persecution complex. The Rock thing was very ugly during the duration of the first half. The phrases "Dublin antics" and "typical Dublin persecution complex" say everything about your lack of objectivity. I'll leave it there. Whatever, the antics of the Dublin players played a big role in Keegan's black card. Fact.
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 4, 2016 20:42:27 GMT
So by the spirit of the law Cooper deserved to go and Keegan didnt? McGuinness refers to it in his piece. Something along the lines of "mickey mouse incidents in midfield areas are not what the black card is for". I dont know if Keegans was a black card to be honest, but I do know it was introduced for exactly that type of situation. No??? Plus Deegan was under immense pressure to even things up. Another thing, had you not already lost respect for Deegan just before the Keegan incident? The one where Doherty ploughed into Cooper after the goal was scored and Deegan and his umpires decided that it was grand, not worthy of a card of any colour. On the Rock thing, I noticed that too, but Ive since heard that Dublin explicity went out to ensure they werent bullied by Mayo. The first game was punctuated by multiple Mayo players engaging in this sort of thing. COC AOS Higgins Keegan Boyle DOC for starters. But when Mayo do it its known as 100% commitment and not taking a backward step etc. darragh would be proud. I dont enjoy this tit for tat *e, but what bugs me is that objectivity usually goes out the window when Dublin are involved. Thats a fact. Pathetic, yeah we are the ones who are not objective. Plenty of filth on that Dublin team also. Which bit specifically is "pathetic"? I note you say "Plenty of filth on that Dublin team also". Does this infer that there is some "filth" as you put it among the Mayo lads? Am I wrong to say that fire was met with fire? No problem witb the idea that we have a couple of hardchaws. But as I say, when discussing the talking points post game, I find a certain one eyedness occurs. The Keegan conspiracy theory is laughable, and even if it was a "campaign" there was a certain karma that kicked in when one recalls how Horan did a hatchet job on McQuillan in the run up to the 2012 semi. Disgraceful behaviour from a manager, as opposed to a mere pundit. I seriously doubt too many outside Dublin were upset by that one. But sure its probably only the Dublin persecution complex!
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Post by skybluezone on Oct 4, 2016 20:46:52 GMT
The phrases "Dublin antics" and "typical Dublin persecution complex" say everything about your lack of objectivity. I'll leave it there. Whatever, the antics of the Dublin players played a big role in Keegan's black card. Fact. Yep, saw that not pretty. I also saw COC take numerous opportunities to do the same thing (among various other whinges and moans) over both games. Did you? Did you not feel the need to comment on it?
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Post by Mickmack on Oct 4, 2016 21:03:05 GMT
There was one huge turning point just before Costellos first point. Mcloughlin was clearly fouled. COC would have levelled the match. Instead the ball went down to the far end and Costello put Dublin two ahead.
The Keegan incident was a yellow in my book. Connolly went down and Keegan went down too. What happened next was sinister. Connolly argued for a black for Keegan and the ref brushes him away and indicates that it was a jersey pull. I can only assume that the linesman spoke to the ref as after about 30 seconds he calls over Keegan and gives him the black card.
Connolly was ineffective after Keegan went off to a large extent. Maybe Keegan should have played his own game.
I have to say Connolly lived down to my estimation of him. Given his life experiences and his lucky escapes, it was ironic that he was the one calling for the ultimate sanction for Keegan.
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Post by thebluepanther on Oct 4, 2016 21:38:52 GMT
There was one huge turning point just before Costellos first point. Mcloughlin was clearly fouled. COC would have levelled the match. Instead the ball went down to the far end and Costello put Dublin two ahead. The Keegan incident was a yellow in my book. Connolly went down and Keegan went down too. What happened next was sinister. Connolly argued for a black for Keegan and the ref brushes him away and indicates that it was a jersey pull. I can only assume that the linesman spoke to the ref as after about 30 seconds he calls over Keegan and gives him the black card. Connolly was ineffective after Keegan went off to a large extent. Maybe Keegan should have played his own game. I have to say Connolly lived down to my estimation of him. Im sure Connolly will get over it. Any opinion on the clear black card that wasn't given for the foul of Kevin Mcmenamon . Would of being a huge turning point also. Dublin did lucky on a few occasions, so did Mayo. Those are the breaks. Two teams were playing on the edge, not just one.
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