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Post by ciarrailar on Jun 19, 2016 18:55:09 GMT
Super win by the Tribesmen last night. Just the goal between them, but you have to wonder..... I counted 13 steps taken without hop or solo by Thomas Flynn for the goal! Not 5, not 6..... 13!! Have referees forgotten about this rule? Yes, he was being fouled and advantage was being given but surely when he over carries you have to bring it back for the free at that point....
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 19, 2016 18:57:20 GMT
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Post by gaelicden on Jun 19, 2016 19:01:54 GMT
Yes your right, and if Meath were to beat Dublin (many shocks already, hopefully another) they would fall on to our path for a quarter final being on the A side, so will Tyrone/Cavan whoever loses the replay.
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 19, 2016 19:10:16 GMT
The most likely opponents for us might be Meath or Cavan.
Dublin (if they win Leinster) could have Cork or Mayo, so won't sleepwalk to the SF this year. Cork would probably lift it for Dublin.
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Post by glengael on Jun 20, 2016 9:20:42 GMT
Great to see Galway come through v Mayo. Not that Mayo are finished by any means, they will lift if for the qualifiers.
It shows the perils of assuming that a provincial championship is won before it's actually been played.
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Post by buck02 on Jun 20, 2016 9:38:31 GMT
Great to see Galway come through v Mayo. Not that Mayo are finished by any means, they will lift if for the qualifiers. It shows the perils of assuming that a provincial championship is won before it's actually been played. I wouldnt be so sure about that. To me Mayo look to have slipped a lot. They still don't carry forwards capable of scoring from play against top backs. The full back line isnt great. And the added pressure to win the All Ireland following the carry-on with the player mutiny last year certainly wont help. Also, the supporters up there are more fickle than most - last week the talk would have been that Mayo were world beaters and Galway and Roscommon would be hammered on the way to 6 Connacht titles in a row and an All Ireland final against Dublin (as Mayo were on the opposite side of the draw to Kerry). Today this Mayo team are a bunch of prima-donnas who have never delivered when it mattered and got rid of two honest men last year etc. etc. etc.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 20, 2016 11:28:06 GMT
I don't see Tyrone as All-Ireland contenders after todays performance. Some pundits were claiming Tyrone had the defensive formation to tame the Dubs,the Dubs would squat them aside easily and would certainly outscore them where it matters, on the scoreboard. Sean Cavanagh is on the slow march to the paddock and the long grass. A lot of the pundits tipping Tyrone to cause Dublin problems were talking about how Tyrone weren't giving up goal chances in their recent games - however the games in which they weren't giving up goal chances were games against Division 2 teams or even lower in their run through the qualifiers last summer where they beat a whole lot of Division 3 and Division 4 teams. Far different kettle of fish keeping Division 1 sides quiet. I though Cavanagh really looked a player who was past it based on yesterday's performance - he went missing for very long spells and when he popped up to roll back the years with a roll-back the years point in the 2nd half, I'd say I wasn't the only one who had almost forgotten he was on the pitch.
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Post by Dermot on Jun 20, 2016 11:41:06 GMT
Yesterday reminded me of Tyrone v Down in 2003 Ulster Final .. We got rocked with several goals in the first game, just like yesterday...... The difference then was that we had Cormac McAnallen around who was put to full back to shore things up, and in the replay we beat them well.. The only option I can see this time is Justin, or possibly Joe, McMahon who are both good against a big man under the high ball but both are invariably injured, so who knows what options MH has or what he will end up doing !! I thought overall we were poor and if thats the genuine limit of our powers then we certainly wont worry Donegal, Kerry of Dublin ... We just looked laboured all over the pitch and didnt seem to have the spring in our step or energy that we had in the last fews games .... A lot of our top men just didnt count yesterday at all !!! ... Im hoping we can fix these problems and come out with a bit of spark the next day and keep that going.. We also have a couple of players who I doubt have what it takes at this level ... And the most galling thing of all is that we STILL cant kick a bloody free over the bar ... other teams just need to foul us at the 40 and we're goosed Im actually glad we didnt win yesterday as another game will "hopefully" give us time to resolve these problems .. if indeed they are resolvable !! Edit:- .. I guess the optimistic way to look at this is that it has highlighted a few problems which we need to address and address before we meet Donegal/Monaghan as we would have been completely stuffed had we played one of them yesterday... Hmmm, thats pretty optimistic all right
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Post by skybluezone on Jun 20, 2016 13:47:17 GMT
This was the weekend the championship finally got started.
Agree that winning your provincial title should not be taken for granted. However for Kerry and Dublin the Mayo debacle should ensure they take heed of this message.
Read Brolly's article from yesterday and while he did hark on about the best defensive system ever re Tyrone, he did in fairness mention that high ball into the big inside forwards was the only hope for Cavan. So kudos for that Joe. Don't want to preempt anything at this stage as we have the small matter of dealing with Meath this weekend, but the prospect of Dublin meeting Tyrone later on doesn't fill me with glee. Without a doubt they have been our most troubling opponents over the last number of years (along with Mayo I suppose). It just seems like we are playing in treacle when we meet them. No fluency, stuck to the ground, always a struggle to get past them. Harte seems to know how to make life difficult for Dublin. The caveat is that they have yet to produce against a Div 1 side. Oh and that Mattie Donnelly is a classy footballer. Some engine on him too.
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 20, 2016 14:50:48 GMT
Everyone goes on about Cavanagh but for me Mattie Donnelly is the main man there, one of my top 5 players in the country. Mark Bradley a lovely footballer too, reminds me so much of Brian McGuigan.
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Post by Dermot on Jun 20, 2016 15:01:25 GMT
Yeah Mattie Donnelly and usually Peter Harte but he was fairly quite yesterday .. S Cavanagh has had better days !! .. I hope there's a few big games in him yet.
Bradley is another one who just didnt get into it yesterday but as a small man a wet day like that will not suit him.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 20, 2016 18:47:31 GMT
Laois’ involvement in the All-Ireland senior football championship may be in jeopardy because of the number of substitutes they used in their All-Ireland SFC Round 1A qualifier win over Armagh on Saturday.
Mick Lillis made seven replacements, one more than the permitted number of six, when Shane Murphy came on for Brendan Quigley as a black card substitute in the 73rd minute with less than 60 seconds of time remaining. However, as Laois had used their full complement of subs they should not have been permitted to replace him.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 20, 2016 22:20:16 GMT
Yeah Mattie Donnelly and usually Peter Harte but he was fairly quite yesterday .. S Cavanagh has had better days !! .. I hope there's a few big games in him yet. Bradley is another one who just didnt get into it yesterday but as a small man a wet day like that will not suit him. will Morgan come back into goals... ONeill was very poor for that last goal.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 20, 2016 22:37:05 GMT
This was the weekend the championship finally got started. Agree that winning your provincial title should not be taken for granted. However for Kerry and Dublin the Mayo debacle should ensure they take heed of this message. Read Brolly's article from yesterday and while he did hark on about the best defensive system ever re Tyrone, he did in fairness mention that high ball into the big inside forwards was the only hope for Cavan. So kudos for that Joe. Don't want to preempt anything at this stage as we have the small matter of dealing with Meath this weekend, but the prospect of Dublin meeting Tyrone later on doesn't fill me with glee. Without a doubt they have been our most troubling opponents over the last number of years (along with Mayo I suppose). It just seems like we are playing in treacle when we meet them. No fluency, stuck to the ground, always a struggle to get past them. Harte seems to know how to make life difficult for Dublin. The caveat is that they have yet to produce against a Div 1 side. Oh and that Mattie Donnelly is a classy footballer. Some engine on him too. Gas it by Brolly as he drooled over the Italian defence and how they will do what to takes to stop the opposition from scoring. I say Sean Cavanagh scratching his head reading that!
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Post by Ard Mhacha on Jun 21, 2016 7:44:27 GMT
Laois’ involvement in the All-Ireland senior football championship may be in jeopardy because of the number of substitutes they used in their All-Ireland SFC Round 1A qualifier win over Armagh on Saturday. Mick Lillis made seven replacements, one more than the permitted number of six, when Shane Murphy came on for Brendan Quigley as a black card substitute in the 73rd minute with less than 60 seconds of time remaining. However, as Laois had used their full complement of subs they should not have been permitted to replace him. I hope there's no replay. We were brutal, deserved to be beaten. If we got through, it'll just put off the inevitable - a trouncing later on. Just draw a line under this season. Get back to the drawing board. Get our structures sorted for the future. This runs deeper than McGeeney.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 21, 2016 8:14:09 GMT
Laois’ involvement in the All-Ireland senior football championship may be in jeopardy because of the number of substitutes they used in their All-Ireland SFC Round 1A qualifier win over Armagh on Saturday. Mick Lillis made seven replacements, one more than the permitted number of six, when Shane Murphy came on for Brendan Quigley as a black card substitute in the 73rd minute with less than 60 seconds of time remaining. However, as Laois had used their full complement of subs they should not have been permitted to replace him. I hope there's no replay. We were brutal, deserved to be beaten. If we got through, it'll just put off the inevitable - a trouncing later on. Just draw a line under this season. Get back to the drawing board. Get our structures sorted for the future. This runs deeper than McGeeney. It doesn't help when you don't have your best players out on the pitch.
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Post by glengael on Jun 21, 2016 8:55:50 GMT
Laois’ involvement in the All-Ireland senior football championship may be in jeopardy because of the number of substitutes they used in their All-Ireland SFC Round 1A qualifier win over Armagh on Saturday. Mick Lillis made seven replacements, one more than the permitted number of six, when Shane Murphy came on for Brendan Quigley as a black card substitute in the 73rd minute with less than 60 seconds of time remaining. However, as Laois had used their full complement of subs they should not have been permitted to replace him. I seem to recall that Cork footballers overcame a similar maths difficulty with a blood sub, v Tipp in 2002 I think it was.
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Post by Dermot on Jun 21, 2016 10:09:23 GMT
Yeah Mattie Donnelly and usually Peter Harte but he was fairly quite yesterday .. S Cavanagh has had better days !! .. I hope there's a few big games in him yet. Bradley is another one who just didnt get into it yesterday but as a small man a wet day like that will not suit him. will Morgan come back into goals... ONeill was very poor for that last goal. I would say so .. and possibly not just for the poor decision re the last goal, and it was poor .. it was also a square ball but that shouldn't have affected the way O'Neill placed himself... I think Morgans kickouts are better IF/WHEN he doesn't have a brain-fart day and we obviously need to do something about the free taking and MH might opt for Morgan .. personally I dont think he is the right man for the job as he seems to crack under pressure a lot but we have to try something ,... Possibly a lad call Lee Brennan, a bit young and light just yet but he is usually spot on with free's ... I actually think its worth putting a good free taker on even if he does bugger all elsewhere ... we miss an awful lot of scores over the lack of a free taker and the fact that other teams "KNOW" they can foul us and not get punished.... No team can have aspirations to win anything without a proper free taker..
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Post by buck02 on Jun 21, 2016 15:21:33 GMT
www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/gaa-chiefs-seek-answers-over-ulster-replay-controversy-406059.html"The Ulster Council’s decision not to replay the semi-final this weekend was described by Tyrone manager Mickey Harte on Sunday as “unusual” - and GAA chiefs are known to be extremely unhappy with the delay. It’s understood the GAA’s Central Competitions Control Committee wrote to the Ulster Council yesterday morning, seeking clarification as to why the replay is not taking place on Sunday. It’s believed the CCCC has requested the Ulster Council bring the replay forward by one week because of the knock-on implications for all other teams on the ‘A’ side of the qualifier draw – a request that is likely to be declined." This really is a case of the tail wagging the dog.
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Post by falveyb2k on Jun 21, 2016 19:18:48 GMT
It's beyond utter stupidity that a decision like this can happen. The ulster(and all other councils) should be told to have their fixtures ready and complete for the dates the cccc have set out. If the gaa can't even sort this out then how can they hope to sort out the club fixture mess? Just imagine being one of the counties affected and having to postpone club games because the ulster council are happy to let a weekend go to waste?
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 21, 2016 21:48:29 GMT
It's beyond utter stupidity that a decision like this can happen. The ulster(and all other councils) should be told to have their fixtures ready and complete for the dates the cccc have set out. If the gaa can't even sort this out then how can they hope to sort out the club fixture mess? Just imagine being one of the counties affected and having to postpone club games because the ulster council are happy to let a weekend go to waste? Getting rid of the 4 provincial councils would be a massive step forward in terms of the running of the GAA imo. All they do is add another layer of bureacracy. Of course the real reason they will be still in existence till after the sun burns out is that with 4 provincial councils you have a lot more jobs for the boys in terms of the committee men.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 22, 2016 6:28:56 GMT
It's beyond utter stupidity that a decision like this can happen. The ulster(and all other councils) should be told to have their fixtures ready and complete for the dates the cccc have set out. If the gaa can't even sort this out then how can they hope to sort out the club fixture mess? Just imagine being one of the counties affected and having to postpone club games because the ulster council are happy to let a weekend go to waste? Getting rid of the 4 provincial councils would be a massive step forward in terms of the running of the GAA imo. All they do is add another layer of bureacracy. Of course the real reason they will be still in existence till after the sun burns out is that with 4 provincial councils you have a lot more jobs for the boys in terms of the committee men. Simple solution to this that doesn't need to go as far as scrapping the Provincial Councils (which will never happen because turkeys won't vote for Christmas). Just set the qualifier date in stone and if a result isn't ready the team(s) concerned forfeits the match and the other team moves automatically to the next round. That will have the PCs working overtime to make sure there is a result in time. It will also bring forward the momentum for extra time in all games.
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 22, 2016 11:46:38 GMT
one of the main reasons it takes so long to run off the provincial championships is Ulster insist on having just one game per weekend. So it takes 4 weekends to run off their quarter-finals.
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Post by himself on Jun 22, 2016 13:08:17 GMT
I can't help but be reminded of when we scored an illegal goal against Tipp - the ball had actually gone just wide but hit the back stanchion and came back out and a Kerry player instinctively finished to the net. The goal was allowed, much to everyone's surprise. Kerry won by 6, having missed a penalty, but Tipp wanted a replay and argued that the big early deficit had badly affected their play. I know its not the same situation (Laois made an error rather than the match officials) but I just always felt that Kerry should have offered a replay - the argument was that they couldn't do it because of the time needed to prepare for a game against Cork, but I have always felt that we could have and should have. I don't blame Laois for wanting a decent turnaround time to prepare, and I certainly don't blame the Ulster Council for any of this (they did not create this problem in any way). I would normally feel that a county that breaks the rules should forfeit the game (I know it would be a very harsh penalty for a very small, albeit incredibly careless at this level, mistake) but in fairness I'm told that a replay is the sanction in the rulebook.
Now, there are an awful lot of competitions, especially at club level within counties, where I have been an advocate of wayupnoth's mechanism for an awful long time. If two teams can't get a game played by a certain date, then too bad about ye and the next round gets drawn without ye. And ye can wail and squall all ye want - but ye'll get yere games played on time next year, won't ye? Now that I think about it, I'd be an awful cold bastard of a County Chairman. I'd be very unreasonable.
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Post by veteran on Jun 22, 2016 15:18:59 GMT
Laois should be thrown out. As far as I know there was a blood sub involved and it is my view that a lot of skulduggery goes on with these blood subs. It is also my view that too many subs are allowed, wasting time for the most part.
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 22, 2016 16:55:26 GMT
I think 4 subs would be adequate. I would agree also with scrapping the blood subs.
6 subs disproportionately benefits the stronger counties.
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Post by falveyb2k on Jun 22, 2016 19:28:45 GMT
I can't help but be reminded of when we scored an illegal goal against Tipp - the ball had actually gone just wide but hit the back stanchion and came back out and a Kerry player instinctively finished to the net. The goal was allowed, much to everyone's surprise. Kerry won by 6, having missed a penalty, but Tipp wanted a replay and argued that the big early deficit had badly affected their play. I know its not the same situation (Laois made an error rather than the match officials) but I just always felt that Kerry should have offered a replay - the argument was that they couldn't do it because of the time needed to prepare for a game against Cork, but I have always felt that we could have and should have. I don't blame Laois for wanting a decent turnaround time to prepare, and I certainly don't blame the Ulster Council for any of this (they did not create this problem in any way). I would normally feel that a county that breaks the rules should forfeit the game (I know it would be a very harsh penalty for a very small, albeit incredibly careless at this level, mistake) but in fairness I'm told that a replay is the sanction in the rulebook. Now, there are an awful lot of competitions, especially at club level within counties, where I have been an advocate of wayupnoth's mechanism for an awful long time. If two teams can't get a game played by a certain date, then too bad about ye and the next round gets drawn without ye. And ye can wail and squall all ye want - but ye'll get yere games played on time next year, won't ye? Now that I think about it, I'd be an awful cold bastard of a County Chairman. I'd be very unreasonable. It's perfectly reasonable to be unreasonable sometimes!!!!! Sometimes boards can't win, they'll get criticized for not getting games played off quickly enough and also criticized for playing games on back to back weekends, for example listen to the louth manager this week. By the way, we missed two penalties against Tipp that day. Aodan MacGearailt started for Kerry that day as a late replacement for an injured player(Liam Hassett I think) and played well. Tipp were threatening not to come out for the second half, it caught everybody including rte by surprise who didn't cop it until a few minutes later. Tipp were well beaten in the end and lucky to get within 6 points, I always thought they made a too much of a meal about it after. In 2002 after the Cork game they didn't bother complaining
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Post by clarinman on Jun 22, 2016 22:01:15 GMT
I think 4 subs would be adequate. I would agree also with scrapping the blood subs. 6 subs disproportionately benefits the stronger counties. Why disallow the blood sub? Surely one of the GAAs better decisions. It keeps the game flowing rather than waiting for a player being treated on the pitch.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 22, 2016 22:15:13 GMT
Laois should be thrown out. As far as I know there was a blood sub involved and it is my view that a lot of skulduggery goes on with these blood subs. It is also my view that too many subs are allowed, wasting time for the most part. That would be harsh veteran, a mistake in the 73rd minute. Can anyone explain what is the difference between this case the Cork Tipp situation back then, or is the Frank Murphy element?
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 22, 2016 22:18:32 GMT
I can't help but be reminded of when we scored an illegal goal against Tipp - the ball had actually gone just wide but hit the back stanchion and came back out and a Kerry player instinctively finished to the net. The goal was allowed, much to everyone's surprise. Kerry won by 6, having missed a penalty, but Tipp wanted a replay and argued that the big early deficit had badly affected their play. I know its not the same situation (Laois made an error rather than the match officials) but I just always felt that Kerry should have offered a replay - the argument was that they couldn't do it because of the time needed to prepare for a game against Cork, but I have always felt that we could have and should have. I don't blame Laois for wanting a decent turnaround time to prepare, and I certainly don't blame the Ulster Council for any of this (they did not create this problem in any way). I would normally feel that a county that breaks the rules should forfeit the game (I know it would be a very harsh penalty for a very small, albeit incredibly careless at this level, mistake) but in fairness I'm told that a replay is the sanction in the rulebook. Now, there are an awful lot of competitions, especially at club level within counties, where I have been an advocate of wayupnoth's mechanism for an awful long time. If two teams can't get a game played by a certain date, then too bad about ye and the next round gets drawn without ye. And ye can wail and squall all ye want - but ye'll get yere games played on time next year, won't ye? Now that I think about it, I'd be an awful cold bastard of a County Chairman. I'd be very unreasonable. Intriguing himself, yourself and the Bag could meet at dawn outside the Tatler, back to back, for a duel for the right to lead the KCB!
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