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Post by kerrygold on Aug 22, 2016 15:39:43 GMT
Mayo are perfectly placed now to produce a once in a life times performance in the final. Ropy going into it with no form or pressure on them. Generally the position from which Mayo have produced top drawer semi final performances in the past. It just remains to be seen if they have the quality of players required to nail a final.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 22, 2016 16:20:41 GMT
Kerry were massive underdogs in both 1955 and 1975 - two famous victories over Dublin resulted. Mayo will have the worst ever losing sequence in AI finals if they manage to lose again this year - a record of 7 which they currently share with Cork. This is the sort of record no county would ever want to have on their own.
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 22, 2016 16:25:04 GMT
Tipp's emergence can be traced to the underage success - the big question from this yardstick is what the hell are Cork up to. In the past 16 years Kerry have two U21 Munster victories and 6 losses compared to Tipp's two successes and five losses. Cork have won 11 Munster u21 titles with only one loss. Crazy turnaround.
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Post by delorean on Aug 22, 2016 17:25:27 GMT
Kerry were massive underdogs in both 1955 and 1975 - two famous victories over Dublin resulted. Mayo will have the worst ever losing sequence in AI finals if they manage to lose again this year - a record of 7 which they currently share with Cork. This is the sort of record no county would ever want to have on their own. I didn't even know about that record but I'd only be too happy to remain in shared possession of it, should Mayo break their hoodoo. I see we had sole custody of the record for 106 years until 2013. There's been plenty to weigh us down in that time but that record definitely wasn't on the list!
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 22, 2016 17:35:59 GMT
Kerry were massive underdogs in both 1955 and 1975 - two famous victories over Dublin resulted. Mayo will have the worst ever losing sequence in AI finals if they manage to lose again this year - a record of 7 which they currently share with Cork. This is the sort of record no county would ever want to have on their own. I didn't even know about that record but I'd only be too happy to remain in shared possession of it, should Mayo could break their hoodoo. I see we had sole custody of the record for 106 years until 2013. There's been plenty to weigh us down in that time but that record definitely wasn't on the list! Thinking about it it's not such a bad record to have (but not one that Kerry would want under any circumstance). To get to any AIF you have to have a good team. So getting to the final and not winning seven times in a row must count for something. Lots of counties have much much longer sequences of non-appearances in an AIF.
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Post by delorean on Aug 22, 2016 17:41:50 GMT
Tipp's emergence can be traced to the underage success - the big question from this yardstick is what the hell are Cork up to. In the past 16 years Kerry have two U21 Munster victories and 6 losses compared to Tipp's two successes and five losses. Cork have won 11 Munster u21 titles with only one loss. Crazy turnaround. We do seem to have a pretty significant advantage with that age group, the majority of our players being based in colleges in Cork. We've been poor enough in terms of success at minor level so it doesn't really stack up. Despite our dominance in Munster, we haven't won an All Ireland in the U21 grade since 2009, so the bigger picture has shown our teams as being average enough. I wouldn't use Tipp as a yardstick just yet either, they've had one decent Championship season and I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they maintain it.
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Post by delorean on Aug 22, 2016 18:01:33 GMT
Thinking about it it's not such a bad record to have (but not one that Kerry would want under any circumstance). To get to any AIF you have to have a good team. So getting to the final and not winning seven times in a row must count for something. Lots of counties have much much longer sequences of non-appearances in an AIF. For sure. Once you're making finals there always the hope that one will eventually go your way. I can never understand people questioning Mayo's bottle. For me they've more bottle than anybody, heartbreak after heartbreak but still right back in the thick of it the following season. Lesser teams (mentally) would have wilted completely by now, like we have to some extent in the past couple of years. I agree with KG above, they might just have that big performance in them, and their opponents might just fall a bit flat after peaking next Sunday. They don't have the form but they do have the players. They're not as good as Dublin, probably not even as good as Kerry, but they've proved that they can go toe to toe with either of them over the past two years. Two potentially big plusses this year would be Andy Moran and Diarmuid O'Connor. The former looks sharp and fully injury free and the latter has come of age, notwithstanding an average enough performance yesterday. They'll need bigger contributions from the two starting O'Shea's and definitely Cillian O'Connor. I wouldn't read much into yesterday. They responded well when they needed to and never looked in any real danger.
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Post by mayo4sam on Aug 22, 2016 20:39:28 GMT
He's saving himself for the final. Good luck with the dubs. I'm surprised to see you floating around here still after that nonsense last year. Did you ever send on the names of the referee instructors that were showing the Kerry v Mayo Replay video as how not to referee games? Be objective for once. Mayo were poor yesterday and no other way of calling it. They look like a team that don't know what they want to do. When they forget themselves and play their running game they are best. It's like Rochford is trying to impose a style that doesnt suit them. The Tipp full forward line we able to win ball in front time and again. I thought ye were meant to play with a sweeper? Keith Higgins is still doing the business. Don't think he is as sound as defensively as he once was though but, still a handful. Im delighted that Cormac Reilly got the booted off the referee panel for 2016, just goes to show how brutal and biased he was. It must be a coincidence that he was booted from the panel www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/reilly-loses-championship-referee-status-34666743.htmlMayo played in patches, and the most important thing is Mayo didnt conceed a goal. Mayo have plenty of options, how will the opponents set up against Mayo. Mayo have swapped their players around and can vary to suit the situation. Mayo will put a performance together for the final, we always have a performance and it will happen in september please god. Barry Moran played full back the last day, Mc Loughlin played half forward the last day.
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Post by sullyschoice on Aug 22, 2016 21:29:55 GMT
I like Marty's commentary also. They should give Timmy McCarthy a go at it! Is he the fella who was commentating on the basketball last night. I nearly put my foot through the television. If I hear anyone say Downtown again I will go Postal.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 22, 2016 21:58:37 GMT
They should give Timmy McCarthy a go at it! Is he the fella who was commentating on the basketball last night. I nearly put my foot through the television. If I hear anyone say Downtown again I will go Postal. Blasphemy.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 23, 2016 6:11:21 GMT
They should give Timmy McCarthy a go at it! Is he the fella who was commentating on the basketball last night. I nearly put my foot through the television. If I hear anyone say Downtown again I will go Postal. If I hear anyone say "Postal " again I will go Downtown 😀
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 23, 2016 7:06:06 GMT
Brenda whatshername on The Marty Squad (used to be on Gerry Ryan) makes me want to smash the radio. Second only to that yoke Twink for head-wrecking talent.
Rochford has done the right things for Mayo, he has it hammered into them about not conceding goals and keeping their shape, no matter what. Eventually they will build on that in a more attacking sense because it's a real foundation, a solid one. The switching off business is a different issue and they need to either have a 70-minute performance up the slieve or it may be next year. I said from the start of Rochford coming in that his 2nd year might be the best. BUt then the way the draw has fallen for them this year, and scraping past Tyrone, couldn't have worked out better. And Kerry & Dublin are not as formidable as they were.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 23, 2016 9:04:14 GMT
Brenda whatshername on The Marty Squad (used to be on Gerry Ryan) makes me want to smash the radio. Second only to that yoke Twink for head-wrecking talent. Rochford has done the right things for Mayo, he has it hammered into them about not conceding goals and keeping their shape, no matter what. Eventually they will build on that in a more attacking sense because it's a real foundation, a solid one. The switching off business is a different issue and they need to either have a 70-minute performance up the slieve or it may be next year. I said from the start of Rochford coming in that his 2nd year might be the best. BUt then the way the draw has fallen for them this year, and scraping past Tyrone, couldn't have worked out better. And Kerry & Dublin are not as formidable as they were. Rashers, your touting the opinion a lot that Dublin are not the same team as last year. You may well be right if their hunger levels have dropped. They will have won a huge back to back All-Ireland championship if they put both Kerry and Mayo to bed from the top three jungle. I still think Kerry will have a lot to say for themselves on Sunday however. That might not be enough though either. Time will tell.
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Post by delorean on Aug 23, 2016 10:23:51 GMT
I thought the black card was the correct decision. I thought it was very harsh but it's too open to various interpretations anyway. Jim McGuinness summed it up much better than I could: "The other big talking point was Robbie Kiely’s black card, which was a disastrous call from Tipperary’s point of view. I was really looking forward to seeing Kiely play in this game because of the way he put himself about against Galway. He is tenacious, he’s a seriously good tackler both in his timing and in his physical hardness in contact. Against Mayo with all their physical attributes, I felt he was going to be a key player.
For me, the black card call was totally wrong. I felt he had his hand on Jason Doherty’s back, an awkward tackle, at worst a pull on his jersey – which isn’t a black card offence. As he fell, he and Doherty got tangled up – again, not a black card offence. I didn’t see a deliberate drag down and I didn’t see a deliberate trip. It was never a black card.
The black card, if you back to its origins, was brought in to prevent a player wrapping his arms around an opponent and dragging him to the ground. You know a cynical foul when you see it. A cynical foul is not a player having his hand on another fella’s back as he’s falling.
It’s a free, yes. Punish him with a free that will be a certain point. Punish him with a yellow card that he will have in the back of his mind for the rest of the game. But to remove him from the pitch on the basis of a rule that is so difficult to define is totally wrong.
This was the biggest game of this young fella’s life. The biggest game Tipperary were involved in for the guts of 90-odd years. I don’t think people really and truly understand the lengths that players go to get themselves to this level, the sacrifices they make in their personal life.
To miss basically the whole of an All-Ireland semi-final because of a split-second decision like that is deeply unfair. Is it possible for a referee to differentiate between a free-kick, a yellow card, a black card and a red card in the blink of an eye? I’m not so sure.
It ruined the game for him, obviously. But as well as that, I think it took a huge chunk out of the Tipperary game plan. Robbie Kiely has that bit of strength and punch to him and he would have made plenty of incisions running off the midfielders. And clearly, his absence left a big hole in the centre of the Tipp defence which Mayo exploited for their first goal. Mayo’s dominance of the period before half-time showed them in their best light."
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 23, 2016 10:38:11 GMT
I thought the black card was the correct decision. I thought it was very harsh but it's too open to various interpretations anyway. Jim McGuinness summed it up much better than I could: "The other big talking point was Robbie Kiely’s black card, which was a disastrous call from Tipperary’s point of view. I was really looking forward to seeing Kiely play in this game because of the way he put himself about against Galway. He is tenacious, he’s a seriously good tackler both in his timing and in his physical hardness in contact. Against Mayo with all their physical attributes, I felt he was going to be a key player.
For me, the black card call was totally wrong. I felt he had his hand on Jason Doherty’s back, an awkward tackle, at worst a pull on his jersey – which isn’t a black card offence. As he fell, he and Doherty got tangled up – again, not a black card offence. I didn’t see a deliberate drag down and I didn’t see a deliberate trip. It was never a black card.
The black card, if you back to its origins, was brought in to prevent a player wrapping his arms around an opponent and dragging him to the ground. You know a cynical foul when you see it. A cynical foul is not a player having his hand on another fella’s back as he’s falling.
It’s a free, yes. Punish him with a free that will be a certain point. Punish him with a yellow card that he will have in the back of his mind for the rest of the game. But to remove him from the pitch on the basis of a rule that is so difficult to define is totally wrong.
This was the biggest game of this young fella’s life. The biggest game Tipperary were involved in for the guts of 90-odd years. I don’t think people really and truly understand the lengths that players go to get themselves to this level, the sacrifices they make in their personal life.
To miss basically the whole of an All-Ireland semi-final because of a split-second decision like that is deeply unfair. Is it possible for a referee to differentiate between a free-kick, a yellow card, a black card and a red card in the blink of an eye? I’m not so sure.
It ruined the game for him, obviously. But as well as that, I think it took a huge chunk out of the Tipperary game plan. Robbie Kiely has that bit of strength and punch to him and he would have made plenty of incisions running off the midfielders. And clearly, his absence left a big hole in the centre of the Tipp defence which Mayo exploited for their first goal. Mayo’s dominance of the period before half-time showed them in their best light."Fully agree, it is too open to the interpretation of the match day official.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 23, 2016 11:10:36 GMT
Brenda whatshername on The Marty Squad (used to be on Gerry Ryan) makes me want to smash the radio. Second only to that yoke Twink for head-wrecking talent. Rochford has done the right things for Mayo, he has it hammered into them about not conceding goals and keeping their shape, no matter what. Eventually they will build on that in a more attacking sense because it's a real foundation, a solid one. The switching off business is a different issue and they need to either have a 70-minute performance up the slieve or it may be next year. I said from the start of Rochford coming in that his 2nd year might be the best. BUt then the way the draw has fallen for them this year, and scraping past Tyrone, couldn't have worked out better. And Kerry & Dublin are not as formidable as they were. Rashers, your touting the opinion a lot that Dublin are not the same team as last year. You may well be right if their hunger levels have dropped. They will have won a huge back to back All-Ireland championship if they put both Kerry and Mayo to bed from the top three jungle. I still think Kerry will have a lot to say for themselves on Sunday however. That might not be enough though either. Time will tell. When you recall (from tv recording) EF & the backroom boys arguing heatedly at one stage during last year's final, you just know that sort of thing won't be repeated. Clearer, calmer, more ruthless process is what I would expect, that alone will make a significant difference. In 2007 Kerry beat 2 of the top 4 in winning their 2nd All-I in a row. Currently the top 4 are the obvious 3 plus Tyrone. In 2007 Tyrone were also very much top 4, and yet that year and in 2006 they didn't perform as top 4. In fact there was really only a top 3, and a gap to the rest. But the strange anomalies of championship football were never more clearly shown in the facts that Tyrone beat Monaghan in the Ulster Final, Monaghan took Kerry to a one point game, Meath beat Tyrone, and Cork beat Meath by 10 points. Kerry, who struggled past Dublin, hammered Cork in the final. So anyone who talks about clear formlines in the championship is sometimes following red-herrings. Each game is a law unto itself. Each year is very different except that overall for a few years the same teams keep popping up. I do believe there are cycles, for a group of teams if you like. The 2nd half of the 70s I can only recall the top 2, not sure if others were in a top group, I often heard it said that Cork were very close to Kerry at times, and Meath to Dublin. Of course these were the days of no 2nd chance. By the late 70s and early 80s, as Dublin faded Offaly & Roscommon had joined Kerry in a group. By 1983 the latter 2, both of who were probably already quite a while on the road, faded away and Dublin rejoined Kerry. Cork were still close, and so were Meath. Kerry's renewed dominance in the midst of all these challenges was truly remarkable. By the 2nd half of the 80s it became Meath & Cork, with Dublin in the top group, I suppose. The first half of the 90s was the most mixed bag of any era maybe. Cork, Meath, Dublin, Down, Donegal, Derry all part of a group at the top with others not far off, such as Kildare under Micko, and Tyrone who were unlucky to lose the 95 All-I final. The start of the Open Draw in provinces probably helped this. Dublin the most consistent but Down won 2 All-Is and came out of the hardest province. Dublin won 2 Nat Leagues. 2nd half of the 90s it was Meath, Kerry, Galway, with Kildare, Tyrone & Armagh knocking on the door. First half of the 00s was Kerry, Galway, Armagh & Tyrone, with Meath still there at first then gone, Mayo emerging, Cork coming back in. 2nd half was Kerry, Tyrone, Cork, Mayo, Dublin. This decade so far has been Dublin, Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, and Tyrone. I expect the next few years to begin Dublin, Mayo, Kerry & Tyrone the top 4, then end up with Kerry, Tyrone, and Dublin as the top 3, probably one other either emerging (Tipp?) or re-emerging (Mayo?). Any side that isn't adding a fair few personnel of the required standard after about 5 years of more or less the same main players will drop back. Since 1996/97 Kerry have not been outside the top 3 or 4 counties in any year that I can recall. 2010 & 2012 you could argue they weren't in the top 3 but nobody would really put Down or Kildare ahead of Kerry in 2010 in the bigger picture & Tyrone were no better. A similar Kerry team in 2011 were unlucky to lose the final so that gives the context. So 2012 maybe the only year they were outside the top 3, with 2013 showing several changes to the team (and a re-joining of the top 3, with Donegal having such a terrible year, and Kerry beating them the following year). This last stat highlights and challenges the fact that most teams go through a cycle of about 5-7 years, and then significant changes occur. Of the teams that reach the top 3 or 4 in the country more than one year in a given era, only Kerry have segued/blended players in to remain and not fade well below the top 3. You could argue 2003 and early 2004 represented the most change in that particular Kerry squad/team that emerged as a top 4 outfit in 1996/97. And then around 2012/13 the same again. Meath lasted from 1996 til 2001. Armagh were there from about 1998-2005 or 2006. Galway 1998-2003. Tyrone around 2002-2009. Of the current top 4 teams, Tyrone are an emerging one (since about 2013), Mayo are in their 6th year (2011-16) without too many changes, Dublin in their 7th year (2010-16), though with quite a few changes, Kerry in a funny kind of way are a new team since about 2012/13 though with a fair few lads from around 2004-06ish still around. Longevity has always been a notable feature of great Kerry players, I wonder if this has something to do with being around such strong squads (not getting burned out so much), or is it just the ultra-competitiveness of the club & junior grades in the county that keeps players at such a high level for so long?
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 23, 2016 11:12:12 GMT
Just on the black card thing, I saw the replay again there, an awful decision, especially in the context of other challenges in the game. I wonder was McGoldrick somehow unsighted/saw something that looked like something else?
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Post by Attacking Wing Back on Aug 23, 2016 13:38:14 GMT
I'm surprised to see you floating around here still after that nonsense last year. Did you ever send on the names of the referee instructors that were showing the Kerry v Mayo Replay video as how not to referee games? Be objective for once. Mayo were poor yesterday and no other way of calling it. They look like a team that don't know what they want to do. When they forget themselves and play their running game they are best. It's like Rochford is trying to impose a style that doesnt suit them. The Tipp full forward line we able to win ball in front time and again. I thought ye were meant to play with a sweeper? Keith Higgins is still doing the business. Don't think he is as sound as defensively as he once was though but, still a handful. Im delighted that Cormac Reilly got the booted off the referee panel for 2016, just goes to show how brutal and biased he was. It must be a coincidence that he was booted from the panel www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/reilly-loses-championship-referee-status-34666743.htmlMayo played in patches, and the most important thing is Mayo didnt conceed a goal. Mayo have plenty of options, how will the opponents set up against Mayo. Mayo have swapped their players around and can vary to suit the situation. Mayo will put a performance together for the final, we always have a performance and it will happen in september please god. Barry Moran played full back the last day, Mc Loughlin played half forward the last day. There was a mayo lad Aidan Walsh i think was his name in the minors around the same time as Aidan O'Shea. A great freetaker. Think he played full forward. Is he on the Mayo panel at the minute or whatever happened him?
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 23, 2016 13:56:25 GMT
Brenda whatshername on The Marty Squad (used to be on Gerry Ryan) makes me want to smash the radio. Second only to that yoke Twink for head-wrecking talent. Rochford has done the right things for Mayo, he has it hammered into them about not conceding goals and keeping their shape, no matter what. Eventually they will build on that in a more attacking sense because it's a real foundation, a solid one.The switching off business is a different issue and they need to either have a 70-minute performance up the slieve or it may be next year. I said from the start of Rochford coming in that his 2nd year might be the best. BUt then the way the draw has fallen for them this year, and scraping past Tyrone, couldn't have worked out better. And Kerry & Dublin are not as formidable as they were. Thats it really for me. Mayo are set up now to concede 12 or 13 points and avoid goals at all costs. Lee Keegans attacking game has been largely sacrificed to prevent goals and he did a good job on Cavanagh and Quinlivan. He sails close to the wind but is cute. I cant overstate how much of a plus it is to have Bourke in goal instead of Hennelly. All of Mayo's undoing has been conceeding killer goals. The mismatch with Murphy for the 2012 goal v Donegal. The first Brogan goal in 2013 when Hennelly had a rush of blood to the head. They allowed Donaghy fetch two clean balls in the last few mins of the 2014 drawn game when five ahead... Hennelly tying his laces and then kicking straight to a Dublin player in 2015. They havent a natural fullback but they are taking a pragmatic approach each game now. Beating Mayo in the final is going to be a big ask now. Andy Moran looks in rude health unlike last year. Higgins seems to be finding form again. The two OConnors have the temperament to deliver on the big day...they need to find form over the next four weeks. Harrison looks a find at cornerback. Surely to jesus they can all step up and give it all for 80 mins. Immortality awaits them. A clever media campaign in the meantime about how much good a win for Mayo would be wouldnt do any harm either.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 23, 2016 14:35:50 GMT
A better side than Tipp would have stuck Mayo for about three goals on Sunday.
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Post by buck02 on Aug 23, 2016 14:41:21 GMT
Brenda whatshername on The Marty Squad (used to be on Gerry Ryan) makes me want to smash the radio. Second only to that yoke Twink for head-wrecking talent. Rochford has done the right things for Mayo, he has it hammered into them about not conceding goals and keeping their shape, no matter what. Eventually they will build on that in a more attacking sense because it's a real foundation, a solid one.The switching off business is a different issue and they need to either have a 70-minute performance up the slieve or it may be next year. I said from the start of Rochford coming in that his 2nd year might be the best. BUt then the way the draw has fallen for them this year, and scraping past Tyrone, couldn't have worked out better. And Kerry & Dublin are not as formidable as they were. Thats it really for me. Mayo are set up now to concede 12 or 13 points and avoid goals at all costs. Lee Keegans attacking game has been largely sacrificed to prevent goals and he did a good job on Cavanagh and Quinlivan. He sails close to the wind but is cute. I cant overstate how much of a plus it is to have Bourke in goal instead of Hennelly. All of Mayo's undoing has been conceeding killer goals. The mismatch with Murphy for the 2012 goal v Donegal. The first Brogan goal in 2013 when Hennelly had a rush of blood to the head. They allowed Donaghy fetch two clean balls in the last few mins of the 2014 drawn game when five ahead... Hennelly tying his laces and then kicking straight to a Dublin player in 2015. They havent a natural fullback but they are taking a pragmatic approach each game now. Beating Mayo in the final is going to be a big ask now. Andy Moran looks in rude health unlike last year. Higgins seems to be finding form again. The two OConnors have the temperament to deliver on the big day...they need to find form over the next four weeks. Harrison looks a find at cornerback. Surely to jesus they can all step up and give it all for 80 mins. Immortality awaits them. A clever media campaign in the meantime about how much good a win for Mayo would be wouldnt do any harm either. Just go back 5 years to see how this could be done.
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Post by delorean on Aug 23, 2016 15:04:45 GMT
A better side than Tipp would have stuck Mayo for about three goals on Sunday. Maybe Mayo would have brought a better level of performance if they were playing a better side than Tipp.
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Post by mayo4sam on Aug 23, 2016 15:59:08 GMT
A better side than Tipp would have stuck Mayo for about three goals on Sunday. Maybe Mayo would have brought a better level of performance if they were playing a better side than Tipp. Your spot on Delores, if Mayo beat Tipp by 20 points, you would be told that they beat a division 3 team, and if they won by a point, they would be written off. Mayo are in a good place, the winners of this weekends game will have their names engraved on sam according to pundits and the media. Maigh Eo Abu.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 23, 2016 17:06:54 GMT
Maybe Mayo would have brought a better level of performance if they were playing a better side than Tipp. Your spot on Delores, if Mayo beat Tipp by 20 points, you would be told that they beat a division 3 team, and if they won by a point, they would be written off. Mayo are in a good place, the winners of this weekends game will have their names engraved on sam according to pundits and the media. Maigh Eo Abu. I don't agree with the theory that a team is in a great place having played so ordinary.I'd much prefer a side to be brimming with confidence going into a final.The favourite tag means zero when it comes down to it.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 23, 2016 17:11:25 GMT
Your spot on Delores, if Mayo beat Tipp by 20 points, you would be told that they beat a division 3 team, and if they won by a point, they would be written off. Mayo are in a good place, the winners of this weekends game will have their names engraved on sam according to pundits and the media. Maigh Eo Abu. I don't agree with the theory that a team is in a great place having played so ordinary.I'd much prefer a side to be brimming with confidence going into a final.The favourite tag means zero when it comes down to it. Don't agree seaniebo, I think they are in their best position ever going into the final. They have got pissed so often at the top table party that they are bound to stay sober for this one.
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Post by seaniebo on Aug 23, 2016 17:23:49 GMT
I don't agree with the theory that a team is in a great place having played so ordinary.I'd much prefer a side to be brimming with confidence going into a final.The favourite tag means zero when it comes down to it. Don't agree seaniebo, I think they are in their best position ever going into the final. They have got pissed so often at the top table party that they are bound to stay sober for this one. Granted we will have to wait and see Kerry gold. However this Mayo team look to have taken backward steps and looked very much a team lacking confidence to me. I just find it impossible to think that Mayo of all teams can just flick the switch and perform like they never have before. Fair play to them if they do.
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Post by ballynamona on Aug 23, 2016 17:47:52 GMT
Mayo are playing their Senior club championship this weekend. That is surprising to say the least. I don't believe in the club scene going completely dormant during the inter-county season, but the 4 weeks between their semi and the final seems like a risky time to have inter-county players togging out.
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Post by inforthebreaks on Aug 23, 2016 21:23:26 GMT
kilkenny do it every year and it certainly hasn't done them any harm.
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Post by fivenarow on Aug 23, 2016 22:04:52 GMT
Just on the black card thing, I saw the replay again there, an awful decision, especially in the context of other challenges in the game. I wonder was McGoldrick somehow unsighted/saw something that looked like something else? Rashers, I thought that both black cards were correct decisions - even if tommy Carr says they were harsh after 8 minutes or irrevelant with a minute to go,IMO if it's a card it's a card after one or 70 mins. The problem with the black card is the referees interpretion of the foul so it's his call & if you get mr fussy it becomes a joke - Shane enright foul against Mayo in the replay in Limerick is a casing point. The sooner they review the black card rule the better, if they keep it then they should use video replays to aid the decision & maybe look at a sin bin rather than a replacement.
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Post by wayupnorth on Aug 23, 2016 22:25:41 GMT
Just on the black card thing, I saw the replay again there, an awful decision, especially in the context of other challenges in the game. I wonder was McGoldrick somehow unsighted/saw something that looked like something else? Rashers, I thought that both black cards were correct decisions - even if tommy Carr says they were harsh after 8 minutes or irrevelant with a minute to go,IMO if it's a card it's a card after one or 70 mins. The problem with the black card is the referees interpretion of the foul so it's his call & if you get mr fussy it becomes a joke - Shane enright foul against Mayo in the replay in Limerick is a casing point. The sooner they review the black card rule the better, if they keep it then they should use video replays to aid the decision & maybe look at a sin bin rather than a replacement. I think they will have to bring in the video. Too many decisions contested or dodgy. But if they do that they should drop the right to appeal.
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