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Post by leesider on Jun 12, 2016 17:22:53 GMT
This really,really hurts.There will the usual talk of "soul-searching" and "where do we go from here" etc. but at the end of it all nothing will change.
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Post by Premier on Jun 12, 2016 17:29:40 GMT
This really,really hurts.There will the usual talk of "soul-searching" and "where do we go from here" etc. but at the end of it all nothing will change. The old line which is usually thrown out for most teams is that the structures are wrong but Cork have swept all before them at u21 level for the last few years
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 12, 2016 17:52:55 GMT
There have been other years when Cork struggled in the semis against a non-Kerry team only to pull it off on the closing minutes. They very nearly did this again today. Tipperary have been on an upward trajectory for some time and we should not underestimate them or see the Final as a foregone conclusion.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 12, 2016 18:43:32 GMT
Anyone interested in picking up a few kegs of Murphys cheap, talk to the publicans around Killarney.
Fair few unneeded kegs around.
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Post by southward on Jun 12, 2016 19:57:39 GMT
This really,really hurts.There will the usual talk of "soul-searching" and "where do we go from here" etc. but at the end of it all nothing will change. Fair comeback all the same. Came from 9 pts down with 8 mins left to level it. Should take heart from that.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 13, 2016 7:07:37 GMT
I see Donegal are considering appealing the red card issued to "the best full back in the country" for retaliating when fouled.
What goes round comes round!
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 13, 2016 7:42:17 GMT
I see Donegal are considering appealing the red card issued to "the best full back in the country" for retaliating when fouled. What goes round comes round! Pathetic. That was a real dirty piece of play.
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Post by glengael on Jun 13, 2016 10:50:18 GMT
I see Donegal are considering appealing the red card issued to "the best full back in the country" for retaliating when fouled. What goes round comes round! Given the shambles that is the GAA disciplinary code, they might as well have a go, you never know what technicality they might find.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 13, 2016 13:26:40 GMT
Cork's last 2 c'ship games in both codes have been held in Thurles:
Galway 2-28 Cork 0-22 Kildare 1-21 Cork 1-13 Tipp 0-22 Cork 0-13 Tipp 3-15 Cork 2-16
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Post by fivenarow on Jun 13, 2016 13:44:40 GMT
I see Donegal are considering appealing the red card issued to "the best full back in the country" for retaliating when fouled. What goes round comes round! He's a thug, end of, 2 or 3 months on the sideline won't stop him either, imagine what he gets up to in a county league game in Killybegs in October. Mr Gallagher would want to take a chill pill too, he was a disgrace in the league game in Tralee as well. He'd want to take a look at Jim Gavin, Mickey Harte & Eamon fitzmaurice for a bit of etiquette on what way to conduct himself on the sideline, strangely enough they're the most successful managers in the last decade as well.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 13, 2016 13:46:52 GMT
Cork's last 2 c'ship games in both codes have been held in Thurles: Galway 2-28 Cork 0-22 Kildare 1-21 Cork 1-13 Tipp 0-22 Cork 0-13 Tipp 3-15 Cork 2-16 And shocking to think they haven't won a Championship football game since last year's Munster semi.
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Post by sullyschoice on Jun 13, 2016 19:59:43 GMT
I see Donegal are considering appealing the red card issued to "the best full back in the country" for retaliating when fouled. What goes round comes round! Given the shambles that is the GAA disciplinary code, they might as well have a go, you never know what technicality they might find. You should get your ban doubled if you appeal something that is as obvious as the nose on your face. (No reference to the state of his nose in Tralee intended)
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 13, 2016 20:33:41 GMT
I see Donegal are considering appealing the red card issued to "the best full back in the country" for retaliating when fouled. What goes round comes round! Pathetic. That was a real dirty piece of play. The system rewards those who appeal. Look at Diarmaid Connoly and the Mayo fullback in 2015... So... isnt it incumbent on counties to appeal until they come up with a better system. Leave aside the morality of doing the time for doing the crime etc for a minute...
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 13, 2016 20:43:43 GMT
Cork's last 2 c'ship games in both codes have been held in Thurles: Galway 2-28 Cork 0-22 Kildare 1-21 Cork 1-13 Tipp 0-22 Cork 0-13 Tipp 3-15 Cork 2-16 And shocking to think they haven't won a Championship football game since last year's Munster semi. In the 3 years since Counihan departed (including this year) Cork have only beaten Clare, Sligo and Tipperary in the championship. Kerry have beaten them twice and drew once, Mayo, Kildare and Tipperary have beaten them.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 13, 2016 22:03:51 GMT
Pathetic. That was a real dirty piece of play. The system rewards those who appeal. Look at Diarmaid Connoly and the Mayo fullback in 2015... So... isnt it incumbent on counties to appeal until they come up with a better system. Leave aside the morality of doing the time for doing the crime etc for a minute... You have a point to be fair.
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Post by Jo90 on Jun 13, 2016 22:04:50 GMT
And shocking to think they haven't won a Championship football game since last year's Munster semi. In the 3 years since Counihan departed (including this year) Cork have only beaten Clare, Sligo and Tipperary in the championship. Kerry have beaten them twice and drew once, Mayo, Kildare and Tipperary have beaten them. Cork went through the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s without losing to a "weaker county" in Munster but have now lost to 3 different counties in each of the last 3 decades and in each case were pushed very close beforehand i.e. drew with Clare in 96, lost to them in 97, drew with Tipp in 02, lost to Limerick in 03, losing to Tipp in the 69th minute in 2014 before late points snatched victory.
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Post by veteran on Jun 13, 2016 22:19:07 GMT
Am I right in saying that Donegal appealed the retrospective suspension after the Alan Fitzgerald incident and lost . If that is the case I doubt they will appeal this decision.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 14, 2016 5:41:16 GMT
Am I right in saying that Donegal appealed the retrospective suspension after the Alan Fitzgerald incident and lost . If that is the case I doubt they will appeal this decision. If they don't appeal, it's a two match ban and he will miss the Ulster Final if they get that far so of course they will appeal not least because they have nothing to lose and history is on their side.
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Post by Premier on Jun 14, 2016 9:14:33 GMT
Am I right in saying that Donegal appealed the retrospective suspension after the Alan Fitzgerald incident and lost . If that is the case I doubt they will appeal this decision. If they don't appeal, it's a two match ban and he will miss the Ulster Final if they get that far so of course they will appeal not least because they have nothing to lose and history is on their side. indo.ie/7psr301ewh9
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 14, 2016 11:23:29 GMT
Am I right in saying that Donegal appealed the retrospective suspension after the Alan Fitzgerald incident and lost . If that is the case I doubt they will appeal this decision. They said they were going to appeal it initially but changed their mind as McGee was injured and would miss the next game anyway through injury even if they won the appeal. I would love to see appeals like this and suspensions take into account the number of other cards a player has picked up over the course of their intercounty career. It would be very interesting to see how many yellows a player like McGee has picked up over the course of their career.
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Post by clarinman on Jun 14, 2016 11:33:16 GMT
Am I right in saying that Donegal appealed the retrospective suspension after the Alan Fitzgerald incident and lost . If that is the case I doubt they will appeal this decision. They said they were going to appeal it initially but changed their mind as McGee was injured and would miss the next game anyway through injury even if they won the appeal. I would love to see appeals like this and suspensions take into account the number of other cards a player has picked up over the course of their intercounty career. It would be very interesting to see how many yellows a player like McGee has picked up over the course of their career. McGee has 2 black and 2 red cards this season alone in 8 league and 2 championship games.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 14, 2016 12:18:14 GMT
They said they were going to appeal it initially but changed their mind as McGee was injured and would miss the next game anyway through injury even if they won the appeal. I would love to see appeals like this and suspensions take into account the number of other cards a player has picked up over the course of their intercounty career. It would be very interesting to see how many yellows a player like McGee has picked up over the course of their career. McGee has 2 black and 2 red cards this season alone in 8 league and 2 championship games. Was he not previously known as a clean player? Hard but fair, like?
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Post by southward on Jun 14, 2016 22:16:24 GMT
McGee has 2 black and 2 red cards this season alone in 8 league and 2 championship games. On that score, am I right in saying that Mikey Geaney has two blacks this year off just two late sub appearances (Cork in league and Clare last w/e)? Not clever if so.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 15, 2016 10:50:49 GMT
McGee has 2 black and 2 red cards this season alone in 8 league and 2 championship games. On that score, am I right in saying that Mikey Geaney has two blacks this year off just two late sub appearances (Cork in league and Clare last w/e)? Not clever if so. I think you are right. Does anyone know what he got one for the last day? The thing is he's not alone on 2 black cards - both Peter Crowley and Shane Enright are on 2 blacks as well after the league. Donnachadh Walsh and Denis Daly are the only other 2 players with black cards on one apiece. Definitely not ideal having Enright and Crowley with the threat of a game ban hanging over them this early considering the state of the defence at the moment.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 17, 2016 7:58:12 GMT
There is a game on this weekend that I think has some significance in Eamonn’s plan – Mayo vs Galway. Even though it is very unlikely that Galway will cause an upset, it is important for Kerry that Mayo stay in that side of the championship. Everyone is focussed on an eventual Kerry - Dublin clash in the semi final.
After that there is the small matter of the final and that is where Mayo come in. I expect Tyrone to come out of Ulster and play in the other semi final. They could come through to that point without showing their hand and in the absence of Mayo not show it fully in the semi final either.
Meanwhile Kerry would have put everything on the table against Dublin.
Mayo, having arrived through the front door, is the only other team that would force them to give it their best shot in the semi final and maybe force them to "play their All Ireland final" in August.
There is a tradition of class in Galway. That is why they can emerge from Connacht from time to time and go on to win the All Ireland, unlike any other team in the provence. They are often disorganised and unmotivated but in Kevin Walsh they have a shrewd, experienced manager.
There is extra pressure on Mayo because of the way they exerted “player power” last year and they are strong favourites so they are slightly vulnerable. If Galway were to win that would be their AIF and that is no use to Kerry.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jun 17, 2016 8:04:36 GMT
I would give us about a one in four chance against the Dubs of we do all make it there.
I am starting to fret about the possibility of beating the Dubs and then going on to lose the final.
A Mayo-esque nightmare scenario as far as I am concerned.
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Post by Dermot on Jun 17, 2016 13:31:14 GMT
Tyrone meet a buoyant Cavan team this Sunday but I expect us to win ... No disrespect to Cavan but if we dont win we may forget about it..
What this Tyrone team really need is to play Donegal in the Ulster final and win .. Now Im not saying Monaghan wont beat Donegal but I think Tyrone really need to get the Donegal monkey off our backs and win an Ulster championship to give the team the confidence to go on and really push for the AI.... Again, im not saying it would lead to us winning the AI but it sure would help..
We need to be able to say we're the best team in Ulster before we can attempt to be the best team in Ireland..
Confidence is paramount..
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Post by ballynamona on Jun 17, 2016 17:13:13 GMT
Tyrone meet a buoyant Cavan team this Sunday but I expect us to win ... No disrespect to Cavan but if we dont win we may forget about it.. What this Tyrone team really need is to play Donegal in the Ulster final and win .. Now Im not saying Monaghan wont beat Donegal but I think Tyrone really need to get the Donegal monkey off our backs and win an Ulster championship to give the team the confidence to go on and really push for the AI.... Again, im not saying it would lead to us winning the AI but it sure would help.. We need to be able to say we're the best team in Ulster before we can attempt to be the best team in Ireland.. Confidence is paramount.. McGuinness said the exact same when Donegal were emerging at the start of this decade. That is one of the reasons why the Provincial Championships should be retained. By all means reform the structure, but incorporate the provincial championships into it. Some compliment to Donegal to say they are a monkey on Tyrone's back - it shows how well Donegal did this decade.
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Post by wayupnorth on Jun 18, 2016 6:35:06 GMT
Tyrone meet a buoyant Cavan team this Sunday but I expect us to win ... No disrespect to Cavan but if we dont win we may forget about it.. What this Tyrone team really need is to play Donegal in the Ulster final and win .. Now Im not saying Monaghan wont beat Donegal but I think Tyrone really need to get the Donegal monkey off our backs and win an Ulster championship to give the team the confidence to go on and really push for the AI.... Again, im not saying it would lead to us winning the AI but it sure would help.. We need to be able to say we're the best team in Ulster before we can attempt to be the best team in Ireland.. Confidence is paramount.. McGuinness said the exact same when Donegal were emerging at the start of this decade. That is one of the reasons why the Provincial Championships should be retained. By all means reform the structure, but incorporate the provincial championships into it. Some compliment to Donegal to say they are a monkey on Tyrone's back - it shows how well Donegal did this decade. Donegal took over from Tyrone for a few years as the benchmark team in Ulster but I have a feeling that the old order will be restored from this year onwards. If, as is likely, the attitude in Dermot's post is widespread throughout the county we can expect Tyrone's future trajectory to be more like Kerry and Dublin than Mayo.
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Post by kerrygold on Jun 18, 2016 8:26:05 GMT
There seems to be a staleness about this years championship, maybe it is the way the game is defensively evolving that is a turn off for the neutral, compounded by the fact that there is no real appetite to sit in a pub filled with tourists to watch games on SKY. It might also be the irrelevance of the provincial championships in their current format.
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