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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 15:43:54 GMT
Out the gap!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 15:47:31 GMT
Gate Closed!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 15:55:26 GMT
Padlocked!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 15:56:50 GMT
Padlock welded!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 16:00:10 GMT
Congrats to Tipp, fabulous sporting spectacle and performance.
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Post by veteran on Sept 4, 2016 17:56:45 GMT
It is a testament to Kilkenny's hurling pedigree that they stayed in this game for forty minutes or so. Tipperary had done most of the hurling during that period but Kilkenny's hurling DNA enabled them to cling there before being enentually submerged by a vastly superior team on the day.
Ger Loughnane nailed it earlier in the year when he proclaimed that it would be a serious indictment of the other hurling counties if this cobbled together Kilkenny team won again this year. Happily , Tipperary swept aside that unappealing prospect. An indication of how inferior this Kilkenny was, inferior in comparison with some of their recent teams, was that they had nobody to bring on to bolster a full back line which was being riddled.
It is no slight on Kilkenny at all to say that I am delighted for hurling and delighted for Tipperary who won playing sprarklimg hurling.
It will be very interesting to monitor Kilkenny in the coming year or so. The current panel is obviously feeble enough and also they have not been dominating at underage level of late, at least not to the extent that is their wont . Today's defeat should give great heart to Dublin and Galway in Leinster. Of course only a fool would write off Kilkenny but at least 2017 could be very interesting.
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Post by kerryexile on Sept 4, 2016 19:21:21 GMT
It is a testament to Kilkenny's hurling pedigree that they stayed in this game for forty minutes or so. Tipperary had done most of the hurling during that period but Kilkenny's hurling DNA enabled them to cling there before being enentually submerged by a vastly superior team on the day. Ger Loughnane nailed it earlier in the year when he proclaimed that it would be a serious indictment of the other hurling counties if this cobbled together Kilkenny team won again this year. Happily , Tipperary swept aside that unappealing prospect. An indication of how inferior this Kilkenny was, inferior in comparison with some of their recent teams, was that they had nobody to bring on to bolster a full back line which was being riddled. It is no slight on Kilkenny at all to say that I am delighted for hurling and delighted for Tipperary who won playing sprarklimg hurling. It will be very interesting to monitor Kilkenny in the coming year or so. The current panel is obviously feeble enough and also they have not been dominating at underage level of late, at least not to the extent that is their wont . Today's defeat should give great heart to Dublin and Galway in Leinster. Of course only a fool would write off Kilkenny but at least 2017 could be very interesting. Actually Veteran you said everything I was going to say. I watched the game with a few people and none of us could understand why Cody did absolutely nothing about the full back line. How could a team that has won so much be suddenly so bereft of a sub to come on. I would like to see the comments of Mickmack or Hurlingman on this point. I think Michael Ryan is a serious manager who wont be going away anywhere soon.
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Post by jackiel on Sept 4, 2016 19:34:23 GMT
Tipp seemed to be really up for it today, there was no way there were going to lose. Don't remember a final not being a full house before so maybe the change will be good for hurling supporters.
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 4, 2016 20:35:33 GMT
Very pleased wth my impulse purchase. First time at a hurling final and first time on the Hill. Great atmosphere and a great game. Very close first half although there was a sense that Tipp had the upper hand. A Kk man beside me admitted that their backs were very loose and Tipp were doing very well attacking that goal with the sun in their eyes. At the first Kk goal I thought this was the start of the traditional onslaught but Tipp hung in got their first goal and never looked back. The better team won but well done both. Almost made me wish we had pushed on after 1891. 😉
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 22:17:16 GMT
Hurling at its best is some spectacle. The massed defence offered in football, patented by the northern teams, looks like a pauper in comparison.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 22:22:02 GMT
It is a testament to Kilkenny's hurling pedigree that they stayed in this game for forty minutes or so. Tipperary had done most of the hurling during that period but Kilkenny's hurling DNA enabled them to cling there before being enentually submerged by a vastly superior team on the day. Ger Loughnane nailed it earlier in the year when he proclaimed that it would be a serious indictment of the other hurling counties if this cobbled together Kilkenny team won again this year. Happily , Tipperary swept aside that unappealing prospect. An indication of how inferior this Kilkenny was, inferior in comparison with some of their recent teams, was that they had nobody to bring on to bolster a full back line which was being riddled. It is no slight on Kilkenny at all to say that I am delighted for hurling and delighted for Tipperary who won playing sprarklimg hurling. It will be very interesting to monitor Kilkenny in the coming year or so. The current panel is obviously feeble enough and also they have not been dominating at underage level of late, at least not to the extent that is their wont . Today's defeat should give great heart to Dublin and Galway in Leinster. Of course only a fool would write off Kilkenny but at least 2017 could be very interesting. Actually Veteran you said everything I was going to say. I watched the game with a few people and none of us could understand why Cody did absolutely nothing about the full back line. How could a team that has won so much be suddenly so bereft of a sub to come on. I would like to see the comments of Mickmack or Hurlingman on this point. I think Michael Ryan is a serious manager who wont be going away anywhere soon. Kilkenny are in natural decline coming off a massive cliff having spent the past 10-15 years there. It is natural and cyclical. Cody didn't have the players today.
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Post by glengael on Sept 5, 2016 10:02:27 GMT
Grainne and Des, na, no thanks the few pints were more enjoyable.......................! I usually avoid them like the plague KG but circumstances kept me at home on Sat night. In won't be repeating the experience in 2 weeks though! Well done to Tipperary. It looked like they had learned from last year's disappointment and moved up a gear, bringing in new players and trusting them to do the job. It is a testament to so many KK comebacks that it was only 72 mins that you could say with confidence 'they're beaten'. As Eddie Brennan said on the Sunday Game, they had gone to the well once too often and this time it was drained. Hopefully this will herald a more open championship in 2017 cos this year really only came to life in the last 4 games.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 5, 2016 13:39:41 GMT
That was a bad beating for Kilkenny yesterday, the scoreline flattered them. They're notorious for going for the jugular in the third / Championship quarter which makes Tipp's response to Kilkenny's goal during this period all the more impressive. Tipp did what Galway should've done last year.
I read Cody's comments about not making a change in the full-back line but they smack of a touch of burying your head in the sand. It was inexplicable not to make a change. He could've tried dropping back an extra body or two for a while at least.
The TJ Reid experiment backfired big time, surely Lester Ryan was worth throwing in.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 5, 2016 21:46:16 GMT
KK have been hanging on an coming from behind for a while now and sooner or later a comeback wasnt going to happen. At underage level they havent been going well and the well seems to have dried up. KK could be a while waiting for the next one.
Its amazing that they scored 2.20. The ultimate compliment was paid to them yesterday when Tipp replicated KK in their pomp. Cody always wanted a half back line that could win puckouts and Tipp wiped KK in this departments. I think the CHB won 8 puckouts. When a full forward line like Tipps gets 70;30 ball coming in then the full back line is going to get slaughtered. I dont think it mattered what full back KK had yesterday. They problems were in the midfield and half forward line. The loss of Michael Fennelly meant that TJ was brought to midfield and that only weakened the cats more.
Tipp always had the skill level but they lacked the grit. Five debutants, all in college and around 20 or 21 brought all the grip and steel that was lacking.
Cody looked fallible yesterday like Micko did in 1987, 1988 and 1989 when his team faded. Tipps panel is stronger now and all the subs contributed.
I hope Waterford and Galway win the all ireland soon for the sake of Austin Gleeson and Kevin Moran and Joe Canning. Last year was Galways big chance but Joes mother fell ill coming up to the final and he wasnt himself. In the semifinal he tore his hampsting off the bone like Paul OConnell did and it finished Paul. I hope Joe wins an All Ireland.
It turned to be a good year in hurling... a very good league final, three great games at semi final stage and while the final was a bit one sided, the skill level of Tipp was stunning.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 6, 2016 13:54:02 GMT
Charlie Carter taking a veiled cut at Cody in the Examiner, no love lost there!
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Post by glengael on Sept 11, 2016 10:31:59 GMT
Great win for Waterford in the u21 final yesterday. Real power hurling. Munster is certainly on the rise!!
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 3, 2016 12:38:03 GMT
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Post by Jigz84 on Oct 7, 2016 8:38:43 GMT
Davy to Wexford! Not sure if this benefits either party.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 6, 2016 22:02:31 GMT
Cracking hurling game on TG4 today as Ballyea of Clare beat Thurles Sarsfields by a last minute 65 at the end of extra time.
4.18 TO 2.22.
The winning point was like something borrowed for soccer. The Ballea lad went towards the end line near the sideline with the ball and as his marker closed in on him he played the ball of his mans chest and manufactured a 65. The 65 was pointed. Tony Kelly was MOTM. Both Mahers and Lar Corbett played for Thurles.
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Post by glengael on Nov 7, 2016 9:58:59 GMT
Cracking hurling game on TG4 today as Ballyea of Clare beat Thurles Sarsfields by a last minute 65 at the end of extra time. 4.18 TO 2.22. The winning point was like something borrowed for soccer. The Ballea lad went towards the end line near the sideline with the ball and as his marker closed in on him he played the ball of his mans chest and manufactured a 65. The 65 was pointed. Tony Kelly was MOTM. Both Mahers and Lar Corbett played for Thurles. That was exactly what it reminded me of! I thought it was a very risky, if it didn't come off, Thurles has a puck out and you wouldn't bet against them setting up a score from it. I thought they were lucky with the 2nd goal as it looked very like a blatant foul on the Ballyea defender, who had just made a brilliant catch in the air. Glen Rovers up next for Ballyea. Not for the last time, thank the Lord for TG4.
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 18, 2016 10:20:22 GMT
Galway threatening to pull out of Leinster due to not being given any home Championship games. These are Cillian Buckley's (Kilkenny) thoughts: www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cillian-buckley-deal-with-it-galway-431148.htmlCillian Buckley: Deal with it, GalwayKilkenny’s Cillian Buckley has frustrated Galway hurling fans by claiming they can’t expect to play any home games in the Leinster championship. The Tribesmen have signalled their intention to consider moving from Leinster to Munster from 2018 due to the refusal of Leinster counties to travel to Galway to play championship games there. Galway have also been angered by the brick wall that’s been thrown up to their minor and U21 teams entering the eastern championship. Galway’s annual convention will consider a motion to leave Leinster and throw in their lot with Munster. Leinster Council chairman John Horan believes the matter can only be resolved at a national level now as counties are “just not going to budge” on the issue. The GAA presidential candidate said he asked those counties to consider adopting home/away arrangements with Galway but got nowhere. Buckley’s comments appear to sum up the mood within the province. “It would be strange (playing in Galway), you’re playing a Leinster championship,” said three-time All-Ireland winner Buckley. “The fixtures have actually just come out and you’re looking at them, ‘Is it a home or away game for us?’ To be honest, that is a big enough deal so having to travel to Galway would be a bit of a disadvantage. “And playing a Leinster championship especially, the fact that they’re in the Leinster championship, they probably should have to play the games in Leinster. Likewise, if they were in a Munster championship. I think that’s fair. Obviously it’s a bit unfortunate that there is no such thing as a Connacht championship for them but I think they have to meet lads halfway, as such.” Horan echoed the words of GAA director general Paraic Duffy when he admitted the issue probably needs to be dealt with by a higher authority than the Leinster Council. “There is no coming together between the representatives of the Leinster counties and the Galway wish,” said Horan. “So, in that context, it’s not going to be solved at that level. I think it has to be brought to a national level. I think it has to be addressed by the coming together of Munster and Leinster nationally. Because, as it is, the counties in Leinster — they’re just not going to budge.” The issue could land at Horan’s door again if he is elected to succeed Aogán Ó Fearghail as GAA president. The Dubliner will battle Robert Frost (Clare), Martin Skelly (Longford), Frank Burke (Galway), and Sean Walsh (Kerry) in the election and rejected the suggestion you often need to lose an election first to win one at the second attempt. “Somebody said to me did I think I could win it and I said, ‘I’m not running to be beaten and I’m not running to run a second time either’,” he said. “I’m running with the hope that I will actually win it.” Meanwhile, defender Buckley is aiming for national success in 2017 with a rejuvenated Kilkenny team following this year’s All-Ireland final defeat. The 24-year-old Dicksboro man agreed that boss Brian Cody, who recently committed to a 19th year in charge, sent out a veiled warning to his players regarding their places immediately after September’s final loss to Tipperary. Cody stated the following morning that “there are players on our panel who haven’t been seen yet who will be top players, and quickly. You can rest assured of that.” Buckley said: “If ever it was the case, there’s definitely going to be 15 places up for grabs again now. But I think that’s the very reason he said it maybe, to make it clear that it’s starting a clean slate again and you will have to fight for your place but at the same time, yeah, you’d be worried. But also excited that you could be playing beside 14 different players next year. You just hope that you’re one of them.” Wing-back Buckley admitted that failing to claim a historic three-in-a-row of All-Ireland titles was difficult to accept. “It was definitely something that I thought about afterwards,” he said. “After the 2009 team that did four-in-a-row, three-in-a-row was almost being forgotten about but it definitely would have been a nice thing to have put into the records, to have done three-in-a-row.”
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Nov 18, 2016 10:52:48 GMT
Wasn't there a Leinster Championship game in Tralee??!
And famously an Ulster Final in Dublin.
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Post by kerrygold on Nov 18, 2016 10:59:50 GMT
Maybe Galway aren't fully accepted by Leinster counties?
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Post by Jigz84 on Nov 18, 2016 11:01:18 GMT
Wasn't there a Leinster Championship game in Tralee??! And famously an Ulster Final in Dublin. Yes there was but I think the preliminary games that Kerry were involved in last year are not seen as part of the Leinster Championship proper. Someone might confirm that. Anyway, I find Cillian Buckley's comments odd.
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 1, 2016 16:07:46 GMT
www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2016/1130/835604-brian-gavin-more-respect-in-hurling-than-football/Brian Gavin: More respect in hurling than footballAll-Ireland final referee Brian Gavin is adamant that hurling has no need for a black card. The extra card was introduced to curb cynical fouls and bad behaviour in 2014 but has so far been restricted to the bigger-ball game. "I think hurling was never in as strong a position as it is now," he told RTÉ Sport. "Probably Championship this year was a little bit slow getting going (but) we had the most memorable games of the last few years in the semi-final and final. "We had a problem in hurling maybe three years ago when there were a lot of wild pulls going unpunished. Pat McEnaney (then referees' chief) and then Sean (Walsh, McEnaney's successor) came in and we tidied it up. "We saw very few red-cards this year in the hurling. Players have tidied up because they were starting to get punished for the loose hurling. "It's very seldom you hear moaning or whingeing in hurling. It's so fast a game, it's just the greatest game nearly in the world from my perspective. I wouldn't change anything about it at the moment anyway." The Offaly man, who didn't brandish a single card during Tipperary's victory over Kilkenny in September, his fourth decider in charge, thinks that the speed of hurling means the players have less time to clash off the ball - with the result that they show more respect for each other. I think players in hurling respect each other so much, maybe compared to football a little bit," he said. "I could be wrong in saying that but the respect that hurlers have for each other is just unreal. They just get on with the job in hand. "Football is a lot of hand-passing, it's a lot of in-your-face type of stuff whereas hurling you nearly haven't time. The ball is moving so fast. "In football you could be corner-forward v corner-back, the ball mightn't arrive to you for eight or nine minutes, there can be verbals going on. Whereas hurling it's end to end stuff, there's not as much contact. "I suppose if football ever goes back to the kicking days, that'll speed up again. But at the moment football is probably in your face, you're marking a fella, you're tugging at his jersey, you're beside him the whole time. "That probably leads to altercations as the match wears on."
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Post by Jigz84 on Dec 1, 2016 16:09:10 GMT
I don't agree with Gavin and would argue that hurling is just as, if not more cynical than football.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 22, 2017 22:10:05 GMT
Jackie Tyrrell's column: Onus on Galway to prove size matters
Fielding six six-footers in the forward line will make no difference if attitude is wrong
I always think a league final is two games in one. There’s the game for the trophy and the game for what’s coming over the rest of the year. One is about walking away with a title and medal, the other is about getting a psychological start on a rival. What frame of mind will Tipperary go home in on Sunday night? That’s up to Galway to decide. Tipp can come away thinking one of two things. One, that this is a Galway side that have to be taken seriously because of their physical presence and their ability to use it. Or two, that when push comes to shove, Galway are still Galway – flaky, unreliable, the wrong mindset.
Tipperary are where they want to be. They have the manager, the players, the panel and they are battle-hardened. They are entitled to feel confident that it’s in their hands how long they want to stay at the top and how much they want to win. If they lose here, it won’t scar them. They’ll still be All-Ireland champions and now they’ll have their warning about Galway. It will tell them how much respect they need to give them if they meet again. So I think it’s fairly clear that Galway have more to prove here. They probably think they’re not that far off an All-Ireland, but really, what does that mean? If you’re not far off, you’re still not there. You may as well be miles off. What are they doing to bridge that gap? What’s different about them this time around? I saw Aidan Harte say during the week that they always back themselves. Well, let’s see it. The key to this Galway team is their set of forwards. Nobody has six bigger first-choice forwards – Micheál Donoghue can pick six guys who are all over six feet tall. The question is, what are they doing with that size? It’s a great weapon – if you use it properly.
First off, it gives Galway a chance to at least break even under puck-outs. When you’re playing against the two Maher brothers, there’s a high likelihood that at some point in the game, they’re going to dominate from that half-back line by catching puck-outs and driving out with them. Most teams just have to accept that. Galway don’t. If you have a Joseph Cooney or a Joe Canning in there battling with Ronan and Pádraic Maher, then straight away you have a chance to put them on the back foot. At worst, you have to be breaking those balls and fighting for the scraps. At best, you can make your own catch and get the Tipp lads turning and defending.
Think of the domino effect if Cooney and Canning can get the upper hand under those puck-outs. Not only will Galway spend more time on the front foot, a key supply line to the Tipperary forward line is disrupted. John McGrath and Noel McGrath and Bubbles O’Dwyer will kill any team if they’re getting perfect ball laid out in front of them. But if big Galway forwards can make it messy in around the Tipp half-back line, that gives Galway defenders more time to get set. Go to the inside forward line for Galway and you have Jason Flynn at 6ft4in and Conor Cooney at 6ft2in. The big advantage this gives them is that when Galway defenders are coming out with the ball, they don’t always have to be looking up to find where Joe Canning is. They do still like to funnel the ball through him on the 40 but with such size inside, they know they can ignore him if they want. Even just that small change in mindset makes them less predictable.
It also changes the sort of ball they can get away with delivering into the full-forward line. If you have a tricky inside-forward, he could be a magician with the ball but he will still only be as good as the supply you’re giving him. Most of the time, that means drilled, low ball, fired in flat like an arrow. To hit that ball properly as a defender, you need that extra half-yard of space and half-second of time and in the biggest games against the best teams, you won’t have either. But if you have two big, physical inside forwards up the other end, you can hit an area and be fairly confident you’ve done your job. You don’t have to think – you know that at least one of them will be in there, if not two. The flight of the ball will be high and looping so it will give your man the advantage. My way of marking a big physical forward was to try to change the battleground a small bit. The one thing you can do nothing about is the fact that he’s bigger than you. So it’s up to you to try to make your battle about something other than who can get their catching hand higher in the air. You have to be aggressive, you have to try to take his ground, you have to get your timing right. You have to go with the dark arts as well – play his hurl, play his helmet, play his hand. Whatever you can do and can get away with, that’s what you have to do. When you’re marking a big inside forward, your world becomes a small enough patch of grass. There’s no point in a Conor Cooney or a Jason Flynn making a 40-yard run out to the sideline to get a ball. That doesn’t use them to their best effect. Their runs only need to be five or 10 yards in either direction. But those five or 10 yards are important.
Wrestle If I’m marking a man in front of goal and there’s a high ball coming in, my ideal scenario is him standing right at full forward with me between him and the goal. That way, I know exactly where he is. I can hold him there and buy some time. I can wrestle with him with one hand and either go up and contest it with the other or break it for a team-mate or my goalkeeper to sweep up. Even if we’re one-on-one, I feel I have a bit of an advantage. But if my man moves even just three or four yards left or right, straight away the advantage has shifted towards him. In terms of balance, I have to be ready to cover off both sides but I’m jockeying across in one direction already so it’s harder for me to switch back if that’s what he does. As well as that, I’m losing my bearings as to where the goal is with every step we take. And I can’t exactly turn around to check if I’m alright – I have to concentrate on the job in hand now.
That’s what the best forwards do to you. They unsettle you and test you to see if you have 70 minutes of concentration in you. And for those Galway forwards on Sunday, that comes down to attitude. Go back to the All-Ireland semi-final a couple of years ago when they beat Tipperary. There was a moment when Johnny Glynn appeared out of nowhere to get in a hook on Pádraic Maher and it was huge in the game. That’s what you want from Galway’s big forwards. “Not today” hurling.
You think you’re going to go around at your ease here, Pádraic? Not today. Glynn hooked him and knocked him over at the same time and Galway got the turnover and worked a point out of it. The point isn’t whether or not Maher thought any of that stuff. The point is that Glynn wasn’t going to give him time to think. Not today. Next big thing That radiates out through the rest of the team. When I think of some of the big Kilkenny performances down the years, that “not today” attitude is always the first thing that springs to mind. Eddie Brennan on Séamus Hickey in the 2007 final when Hickey was up and coming and the next big thing – not today, Séamus. The first two Limerick puck-outs of that match, Tommy Walsh caught one and JJ Delaney caught the other. Not today, lads. It comes back to whether or not you’re prepared to work hard enough. I often roll my eyes when I hear a manager interviewed after a game and he says, “Well, we’re disappointed to lose but the lads worked really hard out there”. When I hear that, I’m thinking, “Yeah, but most of that was chasing after the ball”.
There’s a difference between working hard and doing hard work. Working hard, to me, is getting in there and blocking or hooking one of the Mahers when they’re coming out with the ball. It’s tearing into Tipperary lads and dispossessing them. It’s being an option every time your team has the ball, winning primary possession, fighting for dirty ball around the middle third. That’s working hard and it’s what wins games. Chasing after a ball that’s already gone is doing hard work to try to make up for the fact that you weren’t working hard enough in the first place. That’s just defending. So it’s down to those Galway forwards to work hard enough on Sunday. They have the size to cause Tipperary plenty of problems and with the right mindset, I could easily see them winning. But if they don’t work hard enough, they may as well all be five foot nothing.
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 22, 2017 22:11:50 GMT
Jackie Tyrrell gives a great insight into the role of a defender there...
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