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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2016 9:49:53 GMT
Well after last night I dont agree with Loughnane that KK are "functional".
Cody is an intimidating presence on the side line like Alex Ferguson used to me. But its not like say Billy Morgan used to be when he lost his head... Its all calculated and controlled and controlling with Cody
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2016 11:11:51 GMT
omment: Brian Cody's sideline masterclass proves once again that he is hurling's Godfather Will Slattery 13/08/2016
It is Brian Cody's 18th season as Kilkenny manager and it has been 43 years since he made his inter-county debut as a player, but even now, at 62 years of age, he remains as passionate and uncompromising as the first day he swung a hurley.
You don't need to have studied honours maths to understand the outrageous arithmetic of Cody's Kilkenny reign - 18 seasons, 15 All-Ireland finals. Today was as good an example as any as to why his team come back year after year, despite the changing personnel. The constant is the man on the sideline. Him, and his peaked cap.
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2-19 to 2-17 indicates a tight encounter and you can justifiably point to the Kilkenny manager as the difference maker today. First, the intangibles.
With the second half winding down, Liam Blanchfield buckled a Waterford ball carrier over the sideline with a hefty shoulder. Brian Cody punched the air, with passion for the game and his county coursing through his veins. A line ball had been won, yet another marker laid down. When the referee penalised his player, Cody was apoplectic. First, he directed his ire at the official. Then, when he heard something from the Waterford coaching staff, he quickly turned.
The 11-time All-Ireland-winning manager seemed to grow another three or four inches as he strode over to Derek McGrath and a Waterford assistant coach, standing his ground as always, unwilling to give an inch, unwilling to even let a relatively inconsequential free pass without comment.
Earlier, right before half time, he was doing his best impression of former US President Lyndon Johnson as he leaned in towards linesman Brian Gavin to voice his displeasure with some of the first half decisions.
These moments are unquantifiable but when a game is decided by more or less the puck of a ball, it is hard to dispute the positive influence that Cody's sideline aura has on his charges. The manager's influence wasn't solely limited to eye-catching sideline moments, however.
The aforementioned Blanchfield was named to start ahead of John Power and in a move reminiscent of Walter Walsh getting blooded in the 2012 All-Ireland final replay, the swap was inspired. The forward hit 0-3 from play and also won a crucial late free that put Kilkenny ahead by one.
Cody's decision to start Eoin Larkin paid similar dividend. The two-time All-Star only hit one point but he worked tirelessly, consistently harrying the Waterford players in possession. A host of contributions, some intangible, others actual, that serve as a timely reminder of why Brian Cody has led Kilkenny to 11 All-Ireland titles and 15 finals.
When there is a selection decision to be made, he will make it. When there is a sideline confrontation to be had, he will have it.
13 years as an inter-county player. 18 years as an inter-county manager. Nothing has changed. No passion has dimmed.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2016 11:32:18 GMT
The pool in hurling in tiny. A young Waterford hurling team playing to the pins of their collars in an off the cuff manner couldn't beat a poorly and weakened Kilkenny first day out. The writing was on the wall for them in the replay and the result a given in the bookies for the gambling types once they tightened in the home straight last week. Cody is excellent at reading the ebb and flow of competitive combat. Neither Tipp or Galway will frighten the Cats or Cody going into the final.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2016 16:42:30 GMT
Tipp v Galway lacked the ferocious intensity of the other semi final.
Tipp will have to play a lot better in the final
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 14, 2016 17:55:06 GMT
Two brilliant semi-finals, the first one had a bit higher level than today, I felt, though Tipps two late goals were a class above, especially the finish for the first one, schoolboy dreams stuff.
I'm not surprised that some in here who are extremely vociferous on multiple occasions and on an ongoing basis/campaign about perceived imbalances in football, rarely if ever have anything to say about the un-questioned incomparable, & incredibly long-lasting dominance of Kk in hurling. I suppose that's just natural order, purely that Kk are better, certainly no sign of any great crisis for the GAA.
Phew.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Aug 14, 2016 18:11:29 GMT
Two brilliant semi-finals, the first one had a bit higher level than today, I felt, though Tipps two late goals were a class above, especially the finish for the first one, schoolboy dreams stuff. I'm not surprised that some in here who are extremely vociferous on multiple occasions and on an ongoing basis/campaign about perceived imbalances in football, rarely if ever have anything to say about the un-questioned incomparable, & incredibly long-lasting dominance of Kk in hurling. I suppose that's just natural order, purely that Kk are better, certainly no sign of any great crisis for the GAA. Phew. You know I am not a fan of this whingeing culture but I would question (and I'm not very knowledgeable on this) of the type of advantages KK have are comparable in real and/or relative terms with those of your excellent footballers.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 14, 2016 19:15:21 GMT
Two brilliant semi-finals, the first one had a bit higher level than today, I felt, though Tipps two late goals were a class above, especially the finish for the first one, schoolboy dreams stuff. I'm not surprised that some in here who are extremely vociferous on multiple occasions and on an ongoing basis/campaign about perceived imbalances in football, rarely if ever have anything to say about the un-questioned incomparable, & incredibly long-lasting dominance of Kk in hurling. I suppose that's just natural order, purely that Kk are better, certainly no sign of any great crisis for the GAA. Phew. You know I am not a fan of this whingeing culture but I would question (and I'm not very knowledgeable on this) of the type of advantages KK have are comparable in real and/or relative terms with those of your excellent footballers. Maybe so. But their level of dominance is out of all proportion with anything even remotely so in football, and has all but made a mockery of the hurling scene, some of which is helped by their level of total neglect of football. And there has to be more to it than "just being better", doesn't there?
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Post by onlykerry on Aug 14, 2016 19:27:45 GMT
I suspect you need to look at underage (and schools in particular) sport in Kilkenny and see what competition exists at that level from other sports. There was a time when any sport other than football was only allowed after school hours in the big footballing schools in Kerry. Now other sports are given equal billing and field basketball, rugby, soccer teams in those same schools. I remember the stange looks given to lads who did cross country running from some of the teachers and the question was - are they that bad at football. Cork has lost its devotion to hurling at schools level and this is part of the problem they face I believe. Big question is should the GAA (HQ) interfere if a county does not promote both codes with equal dilligence.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2016 20:11:55 GMT
You know I am not a fan of this whingeing culture but I would question (and I'm not very knowledgeable on this) of the type of advantages KK have are comparable in real and/or relative terms with those of your excellent footballers. Maybe so. But their level of dominance is out of all proportion with anything even remotely so in football, and has all but made a mockery of the hurling scene, some of which is helped by their level of total neglect of football. And there has to be more to it than "just being better", doesn't there? KK.s neglect of football has nothing to do with it. A fanaticism towards hurling does.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 14, 2016 20:14:49 GMT
Two brilliant semi-finals, the first one had a bit higher level than today, I felt, though Tipps two late goals were a class above, especially the finish for the first one, schoolboy dreams stuff. I'm not surprised that some in here who are extremely vociferous on multiple occasions and on an ongoing basis/campaign about perceived imbalances in football, rarely if ever have anything to say about the un-questioned incomparable, & incredibly long-lasting dominance of Kk in hurling. I suppose that's just natural order, purely that Kk are better, certainly no sign of any great crisis for the GAA. Phew. You know I am not a fan of this whingeing culture but I would question (and I'm not very knowledgeable on this) of the type of advantages KK have are comparable in real and/or relative terms with those of your excellent footballers. What are you saying here, Advantages?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 14, 2016 22:21:22 GMT
I suspect you need to look at underage (and schools in particular) sport in Kilkenny and see what competition exists at that level from other sports. There was a time when any sport other than football was only allowed after school hours in the big footballing schools in Kerry. Now other sports are given equal billing and field basketball, rugby, soccer teams in those same schools. I remember the stange looks given to lads who did cross country running from some of the teachers and the question was - are they that bad at football. Cork has lost its devotion to hurling at schools level and this is part of the problem they face I believe. Big question is should the GAA (HQ) interfere if a county does not promote both codes with equal dilligence. There was a very interesting discussion on TSG re stats of the development squads in the respective counties and I have posted the details in the Development Squads thread here.
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Post by MrRasherstoyou on Aug 14, 2016 22:43:27 GMT
Maybe so. But their level of dominance is out of all proportion with anything even remotely so in football, and has all but made a mockery of the hurling scene, some of which is helped by their level of total neglect of football. And there has to be more to it than "just being better", doesn't there? KK.s neglect of football has nothing to do with it. A fanaticism towards hurling does. Eh, is that not pretty much the same thing? Sure any county could say they will devote everything to one code. Fanaticism towards winning maybe.......... And by the way, this is not bitterness or begrudgery to the standards of excellence that they set. It's merely posing the question, why is nobody upset about the situation? Money and development is clearly not the main issue either, otherwise Dublin would have won a hurling All-I by now. Money is not the issue
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 14, 2016 23:10:02 GMT
KK is a small county so they are over achieving hugely but thats down to Cody pure and simple. I remember talking to a lad many years ago from KK and he wondered if Cody had lost the plot... one of the poorest hurlers in his club was after getting the call up. That lad won a rake of medals and was a huge player. What Cody saw was a huge work ethic and grit coming out of every pore. 2001 was a seminal year..Cody was too loyal to certain players. Since then, no loyalty is shown to anyone.
I cant recall any mad decision made by him that cost the Cats since then. The only managerial opponent that was anywhere near his equal as regards cuteness and management skills was the Tipp manager in 2009-2010 but he left the scene quickly. When Cody goes KK will slip back into the pack as quickly as Manchester United did after Ferguson
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Post by Ballyfireside on Aug 15, 2016 0:33:28 GMT
There is no single reason for anything and the secret is to determine the underlying causes by order of importance. This fact of life just goes to show the challenge in winning say an AI final.
Having a crop of quality players is key and lots of things follow on from that, everyone will want to train a good team and sponsorship follows crowds who follow winning teams. So you can see that weaker teams have it so tough.
What Mickmack says re KK post-Cody might turn out to be teh case, but it may not, would King Henry fill the boots? I know it is a bit off point but I have a hunch that Brian O'Driscoll will one day make a great International Rugby MAnager, but he would want to start on that path, he has the two basic skills and which is rare, he can do it and he can lead, Roy Keane IMO mightn't be as strong on the latter but Martin O'Neill can complete the skill set and that they work well together is essential. McGuinness and Gallagher didn't work out at Donegal and nobody is to blame, just clash of personalities.
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Post by kerrygold on Aug 15, 2016 15:56:32 GMT
KK.s neglect of football has nothing to do with it. A fanaticism towards hurling does. Eh, is that not pretty much the same thing? Sure any county could say they will devote everything to one code. Fanaticism towards winning maybe.......... And by the way, this is not bitterness or begrudgery to the standards of excellence that they set. It's merely posing the question, why is nobody upset about the situation? Money and development is clearly not the main issue either, otherwise Dublin would have won a hurling All-I by now. Money is not the issue Maybe because the vast majority of people have little interest/concern in/for hurling that is played by a small minority at a high level. I'll watch the high-end hurling games but I have no concerns or emotional attachment to the game. I don't think its the same thing. Hurling in Kilkenny goes a lot deeper than interference or lack of it from football. It is something in the soul of the people in that particular county. Reference to football is lazy analysis.
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Post by glengael on Aug 15, 2016 19:23:14 GMT
Tipp know what they have to do now.
Prepare for 80 minute game and examine the first Waterford/KK game in great detail. Waterford did everything right in that game until late on when they started flaking over long range wides when they should have been playing it in tight and making sure of a score or a free.
And prepare for some hitherto unknown KK forward to appear. Maybe even spring a Premier co unknown or 2.
Incidentally, I presume all KK and Tipp training is behind closed doors.
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 16, 2016 19:03:32 GMT
Brian Cody wins accolades for ‘unbelievable’ tactics Kilkenny manager praised by Ger Loughnane after semi-final win over Waterford
It is not easy to encapsulate the latest reminder of Kilkenny’s greatness. Then you hear Ger Loughnane, so long their nemesis, lay garlands at Brian Cody’s feet following Saturday’s replay victory over Waterford.
“What Cody did tactically was just unbelievable,” Loughnane told Michael Lyster on RTÉ’s The Sunday Game. “They were outfought in the middle third the first day, so what does he do? He puts [Eoin] Larkin, [Michael] Fennelly and [Walter] Walsh, three massive men, in the half forward line.
“His two best hurlers [Richie Hogan and TJ Reid)], which are really forwards, he puts them into the midfield. They would withdraw out the field, close down their defence and then let the ball in trying to get Colin Fennelly in a one- on-one with the Waterford fullback [Barry Coughlan]. Something nobody else has achieved but Cody did.
“There is just no limit to what that man can do and he does it when it is really needed for Kilkenny. And he pulled a new cat out of the bag in Liam Blanchfield. And it worked an absolute treat for them.” It ended with Cillian Buckley breaking ball for Paul Murphy to gather in traffic, hand to camán to hand again and on to Hogan for his late, last point. ‘Serious leaders’ “It’s surreal there the emotions inside, we’ve no doubt we’ve more work to do, it’s only a semi-final, I suppose,” said Buckley on departing Semple Stadium. “We’re brought straight down to Earth there to know that the job is not done, but at the same time we’re after overcoming a big step there. “We always know we have the ability to close out games, we have serious leaders there and we have lads putting up their hands.
Of course, there is something between those two teams. Whenever somebody figures out what it is, Cody changes it to something else.
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Post by Jigz84 on Aug 31, 2016 9:02:07 GMT
The fact that Kilkenny are going for 3 in-a-row again has gone completely under the radar. Hopefully Tipp come through.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 10:57:10 GMT
Nally tickets on sale over on tickets.ie
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Post by Mickmack on Aug 31, 2016 20:37:03 GMT
The ref will suit KK anyway. I dont think Barry Kelly has got a KK game since Cody complained about him.
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Post by Jigz84 on Sept 1, 2016 8:36:32 GMT
Croke Park is not sold out and tickets were available on the GAA website yesterday morning. There's been a very low key build-up, possibly overshadowed by last Sunday's events.
Is anyone bothered with it anymore??
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 1, 2016 8:42:52 GMT
Huge chance for Tipp here to tip the scales once again on Kilkenny.
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Post by glengael on Sept 1, 2016 8:48:03 GMT
Croke Park is not sold out and tickets were available on the GAA website yesterday morning. There's been a very low key build-up, possibly overshadowed by last Sunday's events. Is anyone bothered with it anymore?? Participating counties aside, I think not really. There is no novelty in the senior pairing and the best chance of new and novel champions disappeared in the semis. It's difficult to get excited about it to be honest.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 1, 2016 11:25:59 GMT
Jesus lads i dont know about that. I expect fireworks and the ref will let them at it.
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Post by wayupnorth on Sept 1, 2016 22:49:58 GMT
Nally tickets on sale over on tickets.ie Bought two on impulse- never been to a hurling final.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 2, 2016 8:25:16 GMT
Nally tickets on sale over on tickets.ie Bought two on impulse- never been to a hurling final. Tipp v Kilkenny finals are special - good decision.
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Post by Mickmack on Sept 2, 2016 19:33:44 GMT
I think Tipp may well win this one. They are a lot better than Waterford at this stage in Waterfords development. Michael Fennelly is out and Tipp have found a serious operator at midfield in Breen.
But then... KK have never lost a final with this particular ref........
6 army men on the field. 4 from KK
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Post by glengael on Sept 4, 2016 12:39:30 GMT
Went against the habit of a lifetime and watched Up for the Match last night. In the scheme of things, the discussion with 'Cha' Fitzpatrick was possibly the most interesting. The GAA uniform was out in force also.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 13:52:58 GMT
Grainne and Des, na, no thanks the few pints were more enjoyable.......................!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 4, 2016 15:34:43 GMT
Tipp have the gate opened!
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