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Post by Aodhan on May 29, 2016 5:52:53 GMT
On Éamonn's dilemma, a quote from Mick O'Connell when he was being pushed aside by 'younger' lads - When does youth end?Ah like himself, short and to the point, defines transition! Amongst the rameish you can definitely come up with a few gems.
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Post by wayupnorth on May 29, 2016 17:23:22 GMT
Now that we know the opponent and the date perhaps someone can edit the heading.
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Post by kerryman99 on Jun 1, 2016 8:08:08 GMT
Any news at all about what's going on in the camp? Not even a few words from Mikey Sheehy lately.
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Post by ruralgaa on Jun 1, 2016 9:29:20 GMT
Is the panel training in London this week?
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Post by mandad on Jun 1, 2016 10:47:19 GMT
Before we embark on our annual quest for Sam I’m sure that I am not the only one who is asking themselves “are we in safe hands?” When a manager delivers good results, he is typically celebrated. Under his guidance, Eamon brought a Sam to Kerry – no small thing. Conversely, when expectations are not met people begin to look around for reasons. Eamon has surrounded himself with people of his choosing. They are there for a reason. They’re there for their insight and experience and because they played the game themselves at the highest level. l have posted in the past my admiration of Eamon’s integrity and honesty and I am confident that he would not resist objective criticism. Many counties would be more than happy with the level of success that Kerry have achieved under Eamon’s management, and I would too if I was fully convinced that we had performed to our full potential over the past year or more. The vibes I’m getting on the street about our management are largely negative. I know it seems like nit-picking, but unfortunately little miss-steps here and there all contribute to a general sense that the decision making of the management could be a lot better, If team members feel that the game plan and their abilities are being under-utilized, they’ll quickly begin to doubt. Confidence and competence are closely related. When they see the ‘alpha’ players being called ashore team confidence is undermined and that is reflected in individual performances. These clear perceptions lead to opposition advantage because they quickly identify critical cues about tactical stresses and failures. When players look towards the bench for guidance they expect more than nonplussed, slack-jawed, stone-faced seriousness, seemingly waiting for management decisions to be affirmed. Firing bullets at those in the trenches and claiming that the present management has failed because it doesn’t meet my arbitrary criteria isn’t here or there. When the only tool you have in your toolbox is a hammer, then every problem looks like a nail etc. Facing into this Championship, I have a mouthful of nails!
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Post by seamus on Jun 1, 2016 11:00:53 GMT
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.
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Post by Premier on Jun 2, 2016 21:01:37 GMT
There have been some unconfirmed reports of a lot of the u21 players are gone on holidays with the team. Is there any truth in this or if any of them are in contention for the Clare game
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Post by kot on Jun 3, 2016 11:11:59 GMT
There have been some unconfirmed reports of a lot of the u21 players are gone on holidays with the team. Is there any truth in this or if any of them are in contention for the Clare game Holidays??
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Post by playitfair on Jun 3, 2016 13:29:52 GMT
Indeed, it would be one trip to sunnier climes that would not be described as holidays.
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Post by kerryboy83 on Jun 5, 2016 11:46:48 GMT
Hi lads
Anyone thing any of the new guys will start the game next weekend? Killian Spillane perhaps?
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Post by Aodhan on Jun 5, 2016 14:28:27 GMT
Hi lads Anyone thing any of the new guys will start the game next weekend? Killian Spillane perhaps? He is playing for Templenoe today if that is any indication.
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Post by beantownfan on Jun 6, 2016 17:10:39 GMT
Hi lads Anyone thing any of the new guys will start the game next weekend? Killian Spillane perhaps? He is playing for Templenoe today if that is any indication. Doesn't look like Killian has made the cut yet, Tadhg Morley on the other hand was not playing for Templenoe indicating he is in the mix.
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 7, 2016 11:57:56 GMT
According to the papers O'Donoghue, Buckley, Brendan Sullivan and Denis Daly are unavailable but Maher is back and in line to play some part in the game.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 7, 2016 17:34:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 10:19:19 GMT
Im glad to see the young lads in. Badly needed. Fitzmaurice knows he clearly didnt have the panel to beat Dublin this year so maybe two or three of them will make the team. Begley definitely should start in the backs. Maybe one more.
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Post by mandad on Jun 8, 2016 10:41:41 GMT
nacrocaigh
I see that Michael Burns has unfortunately cracked his collarbone. He must be gutted. A big loss to Crokes as well.
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 8, 2016 12:39:32 GMT
Team will be named Friday at 9pm according to website.
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Post by kerryexile on Jun 8, 2016 13:44:07 GMT
As the season progresses I think we will only need 1 under 21 to start, Brian O’Beaglaoich. However Eamonn is likely to start more than that on Sunday for a number of reasons – freshen it up in training, give them the experience and it’s a home game against a team coming out of division 3. After that the selection is anyone’s guess.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 1:19:13 GMT
nacrocaigh I see that Michael Burns has unfortunately cracked his collarbone. He must be gutted. A big loss to Crokes as well. I fell bad for him. Vey nice young fella. Has had some bad luck with injuries since he came out of minor. Hopefully his luck will change. Big loss to Crokes alright.
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Post by ballybunion on Jun 9, 2016 10:52:30 GMT
By all accounts Brian O Beaglaoich going very well and should make team.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 9, 2016 19:33:38 GMT
As the season progresses I think we will only need 1 under 21 to start, Brian O’Beaglaoich. However Eamonn is likely to start more than that on Sunday for a number of reasons – freshen it up in training, give them the experience and it’s a home game against a team coming out of division 3. After that the selection is anyone’s guess. I wonder how old would Austin Gleeson have to be before he could play senior if he were a Kerry fotballer. He is only 20 and ran the show against Waterford. Its harder to get off the Kerry team than to get on it. Always was it seems.
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Post by Deise Exile on Jun 9, 2016 21:36:01 GMT
Any truth in the rumour that tadgh Kennelly is coming back? ??
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Post by veteran on Jun 9, 2016 21:39:52 GMT
There has been a fairly widespread call on this forum for youth to be given its head . I am not so sure that I entirely agree with this notion on the basis that there does not appear to be too many of our recent successful underage players ready , physically and qualitatively , to make the leap. Brian Begley perhaps. Who,else? Mark O'Connor should be wrapped in cotton wool in 2016 to repair those knees. Jason Foley needs winter of intensive gym work. Barry O'Sulivan would also need a rest period to convalesce the knee injury he carried in the u21 games. We are not bereft of midfielders at the moment in any case. Andrew Barry has the physique and ability but I was not too impressed by him against Tipp and Limerick in the u21 games . A man for the future likely but not,just yet. Who else ? Jack Savage? But backs are our immediate priority. Tom O'Sullivan is a future candidate but this year? Not sure.
People might argue that we will not know if these lads. are ready until they are given a chance . That is a reasonable point but the NFL should be the pre Derby trial , not the championship . I suppose one or two could be given a run against Clare but one would not want to overload with youth , even against Clare . I would be more interested in players who are a year or two or more out of the u21 grade. In that context it is a shame that players like Brendan O'Sullivan and Denis Daly are out with injuries. However, two players I would like to see getting a run next Sunday are Podge O'Connor and Alan Fitzgerald.
"Harder to get off the Kerry team than on it " and "You are old enough. If you are good enough" are cliches. Some cliches have merit but not these I fear. You need to be an exceptional player , with appropriate physique, to make the grade at 20. We have had two very rounded minor teams but how many of them were exceptional players ? That is not to say that some of them will not become exceptional players.
I cannot stress the physical development too much . There was a time when unheralded players could be drafted in even in the middle of,the championship. That would be impossible now because he could not compete with the physicality of opponents who very likely have been training at almost professional level for the previous couple of seasons.
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Post by Mickmack on Jun 9, 2016 22:10:08 GMT
Jacko got cleaned out by Mullins in 1977. Seamus Moynihan made little impression v Clare in 1992. Marc got cleaned out v Armagh in 2002. It took Darragh a good while to bed in. Even longer for Tomas. Only Declan and Colm took to it like a duck to water.
So there is no shame in young players being uncompetitive at the start.
So why not start the blooding process now. I dont expect the young players to be competitive but the learning curve can surely start.
Would it make any difference if the Munster championship was lost in the process of bringing on a young team like 1975. Kerry will be in the QFs one way or the other. They wont win the All Ireland but the team that played in the league final wont either.
I take the point that injuries are a problem but it would be encouraging to see youth getting its fling.
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Post by Premier on Jun 9, 2016 23:00:45 GMT
Jacko got cleaned out by Mullins in 1977. Seamus Moynihan made little impression v Clare in 1992. Marc got cleaned out v Armagh in 2002. It took Darragh a good while to bed in. Even longer for Tomas. Only Declan and Colm took to it like a duck to water. So there is no shame in young players being uncompetitive at the start. So why not start the blooding process now. I dont expect the young players to be competitive but the learning curve can surely start. Would it make any difference if the Munster championship was lost in the process of bringing on a young team like 1975. Kerry will be in the QFs one way or the other. They wont win the All Ireland but the team that played in the league final wont either. I take the point that injuries are a problem but it would be encouraging to see youth getting its fling. How many more apparently exceptional players have been given the chance too early and fallen off the face of the earth after a rough experience. Few cite these players as they struggle to remember that they even played. Think of James Walsh and Conor Cox. Thrown in first year that Fitzmaurice was in charge and nowhere near since. James played midfield that day against Dublin at home when he got hammered. Some lesser players struggle with the expectation at an early age
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Post by derry4sam on Jun 9, 2016 23:23:00 GMT
1. Brendan Kealy 2. Marc O Se 3. Mark Griffin 4. Shane Enright 5. Brian Begley 6. Peter Crowley 7. Killian Young 8. Bryan Sheehan 9. David Moran 10. Stephen O'Brien 11. Paul Murphy 12. Donnchadh Walsh 13. Darran O'Sullivan 14. Colm Cooper 15. Paul Geaney
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Post by givehimaball on Jun 10, 2016 11:08:08 GMT
Only Declan and Colm took to it like a duck to water. So there is no shame in young players being uncompetitive at the start. So why not start the blooding process now. I dont expect the young players to be competitive but the learning curve can surely start. Would it make any difference if the Munster championship was lost in the process of bringing on a young team like 1975. Kerry will be in the QFs one way or the other. They wont win the All Ireland but the team that played in the league final wont either. I take the point that injuries are a problem but it would be encouraging to see youth getting its fling. Can't help but thinking there's a decent chance Declan might have had a longer career if he hadn't been thrown in so early. Colm was/is a complete freak and I think in the years since he made his debut physicality/strength/athleticism have become far more of a factor. I fear that if you had a player who was identical to Cooper nowadays and he was given his Kerry start at 18 there would be outrage. Also with regards to the thing about being harder to get on the Kerry team, than get off it, I thought the following post was very interesting gaelicstats.com/football-county-squad-sizes/[This is in the championship only] Their seems to be a fairly high degree of correlation between success and not having a huge turnover in players. A lot of those counties who have used a lot of players have been very unsuccessful.
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Post by keane on Jun 10, 2016 11:25:38 GMT
Longer than 12 or 13 years?
Suspect we may get a few surprises tonight in any case.
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Post by greengold35 on Jun 10, 2016 13:52:59 GMT
Longer than 12 or 13 years? Suspect we may get a few surprises tonight in any case. I believe that Brian Kelly will be restored to goalkeeping duties with O'Beaglaoi, Morley & Enright as his full back line!! Full forward line of Darran, Paul Geaney & O'Brien!
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Post by baurtregaum on Jun 10, 2016 14:14:25 GMT
I assume that the game won't be televised? Hopefully Begley gets a start and it will be interesting to see how Maher is going after such a long layoff.
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