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Post by Attacking Wing Back on May 6, 2016 10:53:16 GMT
I'd like to see a shake up of the team as well to be honest. If we are going to change things around with an eye to meeting dublin later in the year we have to start with game 1. We also have to face up to the fact that a lot of the players are not 70 minute men any more and may be best coming off the bench. That creates its own problems in that we haven't developed the strength in depth to do this over the last few years. Below is a team I would like see tried. I know it wont happen as a lot of this 'experiments' should have been tried in training and tested in the league. However I think pace and movement is king in the modern game and we need to develop a way to counter act it and introduce more into our game.
1. Brendan Kealy (Still the best shot stopper. Needs help with kickout but, this isnt all his own doing. Needs options in front of him)
2. Shane Enright 3. Mahony / Mark Griffin 4. O'Beighleach
5. Peter Crowley 6. Brendan O' Sullivan (Powerful, good hands and has the speed to track runners through the middle. Also has the speed to bring the ball out of defence on turn overs. 7. Jonathan Lyne
8. Anthony Maher / David Moran 9. Donnachadha Walsh (We need a runner in midfield. Also has a good eye for a pass.)
10. Darran O'Sullivan 11. Colm Cooper (roates in and out with O'Brien) 12. Paul Murphy
13. Stephen O'Brien 14. Paul Geaney 15. James O'Donoghue
Only thing is the half forward line is very small so this might need a Buckley / sheehan figure
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Post by kerrygold on May 6, 2016 11:11:12 GMT
Kieran O'Leary, Jack Sherwood, Pa Kilkenny, Aidan Walsh and Paul O'Sullivan have all been either dropped from the panel or have left according to Tony Leen. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/kieran-oleary-released-as-eamonn-fitzmaurice-trims-kerry-squad-397945.html Kieran O'Leary released as Éamonn Fitzmaurice trims Kerry squadEX-CAPTAIN Kieran O’Leary and defenders Jack Sherwood and Pa Kilkenny are among six Kerry footballers that have been released or have left the Kingdom’s Championship squad this week. Manager Éamonn Fitzmaurice and his selectors have elected to shake up the panel ahead of preparations for their June 12th Munster SFC semi final against either Clare or Limerick in Killarney. Tommy Walsh has already informed management of his decision to leave the Kerry set-up and Fitzmaurice has now released 2014 joint-captain Kieran O Leary back to his club Dr Crokes. Also gone from the panel are Jack Sherwood (Firies), Pa Kilkenny of Glenbeigh-Glencar, Paul O’Sullivan of Valentia and St Mary’s Aidan Walsh. In a bid to freshen up things, Fitzmaurice is to draft in a number of Kerry Under 21 players once they have completed college exams. Defender Briain O Beaglaoich has already played Allianz League games with the Kingdom, but his return to the senior set-up has been delayed by a broken bone in his hand. Other Under 21’s likely to be invited into the Kerry squad include attacker Killian Spillane from Templenoe, defender Jason Foley from Ballydonoghue, and midfielder Mark O’Connor from Dingle. The Kerry squad will head to the Algarve at the end of the month for a five-day warm-weather camp at the Amendoeira Golf Resort, near Silves. They hope to have long-term injured duo James O’Donoghue (shoulder) and Anthony Maher (hip) as part of the travelling party. With two rounds of county football championship on the horizon prior to Portugal, Kerry management is adopting an open-ended stance on the composition of their squad. Very exciting to see these young players being brought inside. It should seriously freshen up the house. In truth there is 8-10 of them that could be brought in straight away for training.
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Post by givehimaball on May 6, 2016 15:06:51 GMT
Watched Clare in the Division 3 league final and I'd be gobsmacked if they don't beat Limerick. They might be lacking a bit in squad depth but they have a couple of very handy players. The most crucial thing is that they showed great honesty of effort - I would be fancying Kerry to win but it will definitely not be any cakewalk and I wouldn't be surprised to see them go on a decent run in the qualifiers assuming they get any sort of a reasonable draw. Kildare were septic, Clare won't trouble Kerry if they beat Limerick. I agree Kildare were very poor - their defending in particular was just chronic but I do think this Clare side is the best Clare side in a good while - Worth remembering that in 2014 Kerry only beat Clare by 4 points, which was less than the margin in the wins over Galway, Cork and Donegal. Last year their championship campaign was wrecked with injuries - they were missing 5 out of 6 starters in the forwards for their game against Cork. This year Clare are coming off a league campaign where they got promoted and won silverware and will most likely be coming off a decent win over Limerick. They also have Colm Collins in charge of them who I would rate as a very serious operator. They will most likely have been targeting the tie against Kerry since the draw was made back before Christmas. They are very reliant on a couple of individuals but they will be hoping that Kerry will be a bit ring-rusty and a bit slow out of the gates. It's almost a perfect ambush scenario for them.
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Post by Jigz84 on May 6, 2016 15:12:16 GMT
Kildare were septic, Clare won't trouble Kerry if they beat Limerick. I agree Kildare were very poor - their defending in particular was just chronic but I do think this Clare side is the best Clare side in a good while - Worth remembering that in 2014 Kerry only beat Clare by 4 points, which was less than the margin in the wins over Galway, Cork and Donegal. Last year their championship campaign was wrecked with injuries - they were missing 5 out of 6 starters in the forwards for their game against Cork. This year Clare are coming off a league campaign where they got promoted and won silverware and will most likely be coming off a decent win over Limerick. They also have Colm Collins in charge of them who I would rate as a very serious operator. They will most likely have been targeting the tie against Kerry since the draw was made back before Christmas. They are very reliant on a couple of individuals but they will be hoping that Kerry will be a bit ring-rusty and a bit slow out of the gates. It's almost a perfect ambush scenario for them. Yes but that was in a tight Cusack Park with a few Championship debutants. Kerry were never really in danger of losing it even though it was tight at times. Big difference between that and a wide, open Killarney.
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Post by givehimaball on May 6, 2016 15:21:16 GMT
I agree Kildare were very poor - their defending in particular was just chronic but I do think this Clare side is the best Clare side in a good while - Worth remembering that in 2014 Kerry only beat Clare by 4 points, which was less than the margin in the wins over Galway, Cork and Donegal. Last year their championship campaign was wrecked with injuries - they were missing 5 out of 6 starters in the forwards for their game against Cork. This year Clare are coming off a league campaign where they got promoted and won silverware and will most likely be coming off a decent win over Limerick. They also have Colm Collins in charge of them who I would rate as a very serious operator. They will most likely have been targeting the tie against Kerry since the draw was made back before Christmas. They are very reliant on a couple of individuals but they will be hoping that Kerry will be a bit ring-rusty and a bit slow out of the gates. It's almost a perfect ambush scenario for them. Yes but that was in a tight Cusack Park with a few Championship debutants. Kerry were never really in danger of losing it even though it was tight at times. Big difference between that and a wide, open Killarney. Look I'm not saying Clare are going to win it, but I am warning if there is a bit of complacency it might be a lot tighter than expected and ye're pretty much proving my point - I'm half expecting someone to post "ah shure tis only Clare" I don't want Kerry to be heading into the last few minutes with only a couple of points to spare as sure as eggs is eggs they will have Brennan in around the square hunting for a high-ball goal.
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Post by Jigz84 on May 6, 2016 15:35:10 GMT
Yes but that was in a tight Cusack Park with a few Championship debutants. Kerry were never really in danger of losing it even though it was tight at times. Big difference between that and a wide, open Killarney. Look I'm not saying Clare are going to win it, but I am warning if there is a bit of complacency it might be a lot tighter than expected and ye're pretty much proving my point - I'm half expecting someone to post "ah shure tis only Clare" I don't want Kerry to be heading into the last few minutes with only a couple of points to spare as sure as eggs is eggs they will have Brennan in around the square hunting for a high-ball goal. I know what you're saying but realistically if Kerry don't put Clare or Limerick away comfortably, especially after the League Final debacle, they can forget about the All-Ireland. Anyway, Limerick will give Clare a rattle in the Gaelic Grounds.
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Post by mandad on May 6, 2016 16:03:16 GMT
As a matter of interest, Cusack Park Ennis is longer and wider than Croke park and Fitzgerald Stadium, as far as I know.
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Post by kerrygold on May 6, 2016 16:32:39 GMT
Kildare were septic, Clare won't trouble Kerry if they beat Limerick. I agree Kildare were very poor - their defending in particular was just chronic but I do think this Clare side is the best Clare side in a good while - Worth remembering that in 2014 Kerry only beat Clare by 4 points, which was less than the margin in the wins over Galway, Cork and Donegal. Last year their championship campaign was wrecked with injuries - they were missing 5 out of 6 starters in the forwards for their game against Cork. This year Clare are coming off a league campaign where they got promoted and won silverware and will most likely be coming off a decent win over Limerick. They also have Colm Collins in charge of them who I would rate as a very serious operator. They will most likely have been targeting the tie against Kerry since the draw was made back before Christmas. They are very reliant on a couple of individuals but they will be hoping that Kerry will be a bit ring-rusty and a bit slow out of the gates. It's almost a perfect ambush scenario for them. I agree regarding complacency but Kildare are not at bench mark level at the moment.
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Post by Premier on May 6, 2016 21:01:27 GMT
Kieran O'Leary, Jack Sherwood, Pa Kilkenny, Aidan Walsh and Paul O'Sullivan have all been either dropped from the panel or have left according to Tony Leen. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/kieran-oleary-released-as-eamonn-fitzmaurice-trims-kerry-squad-397945.html Kieran O'Leary released as Éamonn Fitzmaurice trims Kerry squadEX-CAPTAIN Kieran O’Leary and defenders Jack Sherwood and Pa Kilkenny are among six Kerry footballers that have been released or have left the Kingdom’s Championship squad this week. Manager Éamonn Fitzmaurice and his selectors have elected to shake up the panel ahead of preparations for their June 12th Munster SFC semi final against either Clare or Limerick in Killarney. Tommy Walsh has already informed management of his decision to leave the Kerry set-up and Fitzmaurice has now released 2014 joint-captain Kieran O Leary back to his club Dr Crokes. Also gone from the panel are Jack Sherwood (Firies), Pa Kilkenny of Glenbeigh-Glencar, Paul O’Sullivan of Valentia and St Mary’s Aidan Walsh. In a bid to freshen up things, Fitzmaurice is to draft in a number of Kerry Under 21 players once they have completed college exams. Defender Briain O Beaglaoich has already played Allianz League games with the Kingdom, but his return to the senior set-up has been delayed by a broken bone in his hand. Other Under 21’s likely to be invited into the Kerry squad include attacker Killian Spillane from Templenoe, defender Jason Foley from Ballydonoghue, and midfielder Mark O’Connor from Dingle. The Kerry squad will head to the Algarve at the end of the month for a five-day warm-weather camp at the Amendoeira Golf Resort, near Silves. They hope to have long-term injured duo James O’Donoghue (shoulder) and Anthony Maher (hip) as part of the travelling party. With two rounds of county football championship on the horizon prior to Portugal, Kerry management is adopting an open-ended stance on the composition of their squad. When he cites the 3 u21s that he thinks are coming in he uses the word 'likely'. Is that his own opinion or are they inside there
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Post by sullyschoice on May 6, 2016 21:16:26 GMT
Clare have a fella from up my way called Mick Bohan coaching them. He is a nephew of Fr Harry Bohan and was involved with the Dublin set up aswell as being a former coach of Dublin Ladies. He is highly regarded as a coach up here and runs coaching seminars and sessions in my club. I believe the Clare lads attribute a lot of their progress this year to him. He is a bit of a hot head and in recent years got banished from pitchside during the final of the Feile.
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Post by Chinatown on May 7, 2016 8:33:45 GMT
Brian Sheehan has to be there for frees and David Moran has to start With a view to the Dubs, this looks a good team if Lyne would match Flynn. Allows you to leave Murphy in the forwards. then you'd have Young on Kilkenny, and Crowley on Connolly. Like the full back line. I'd possibly start Darren at 10 based on his league, but i wouldnt be a fan of his overall. Its a pity Brendan Sullivan didnt get more of a run in the league to gauge properly where he is at, but i'd have Moran and Sheehan starting going by this team, running themselves into the ground with star, buckley or Sullivan coming in after 45-50 minutes. Wonder where is the peak of frees during a game, does it follow a trend is it 1st half or 2nd half. Would be putting sheahan on for that half and Moran the other
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Post by Premier on May 8, 2016 19:12:00 GMT
Has Kieran O'Leary retired now too? Sounds like it based on Twitter
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Post by ballynamona on May 8, 2016 19:12:04 GMT
twitter.com/KieranOLeary87Looks like Kieran O'Leary sees his departure from the panel as the end of his inter-county career. As he will be 30 next year it seems likely. The equaliser v Mayo in 2014 assures him a place in Kerry football history.
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Post by Premier on May 8, 2016 19:30:45 GMT
twitter.com/KieranOLeary87Looks like Kieran O'Leary sees his departure from the panel as the end of his inter-county career. As he will be 30 next year it seems likely. The equaliser v Mayo in 2014 assures him a place in Kerry football history. I know people keep saying its a young man's game but didn't think he'd call it that early
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Post by Kingdomson on May 14, 2016 14:41:51 GMT
As I ponder the beginning of the football Championship, OK for the pedantic, its already started, I wonder in Kerry are we taking our eye way off the ball. I’ll stick my 2 hands way up here and state personally, I’m as guilty as anyone - but this obsession with Dublin especially has to stop and stop now!
All this loose talk of an already per-ordained semi-final with Dublin must be music to a Cork mans ears and it makes me nervous. Look, we should not be taking Clare likely either; New York very nearly sank the Roscommon boat before it left harbour - a warning to all. In the Championship - take nothing for granted!
Not ignoring the Clare challenge but a thought first for our main Munster rivals Cork, they should have beaten us last year, and yes we did get lucky with some referring calls in our favour. A point worth remembering, it’s not always one way against us with the referring officials, as any Cork or indeed Mayo supporter of recent memory would remind us.
Cork are possibly the oddest team to ever take a football field. No shortage of footballing talent and no shrinking violets in the physical department but are equally capable of brilliance or downright incompetence in their performance. Either way, you simply cannot trust Cork. Same as it always was. More often than not, they throw the kitchen sink at Kerry but a consistency in performance has never ever been a Cork’s team forte. Even in the few years where they’ve gone on and won All Irelands they often made it more difficult for themselves.
I have no doubt that Cork have the ability to beat Kerry this year – it doesn’t mean they will - but if we don’t prepare with the belief those Cork boys can beat us then we can be caught. I'm not going to build up the Clare challenge because we should be beating Clare. For now, all eyes are on the Clare game, the starting Kerry line-up, the bench, the management, and most of all the performance!
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Post by KY50 on May 14, 2016 17:04:01 GMT
Kingdomson - agree totally, lets focus on the job at hand - Clare promoted to division 2, beat Kildare in final - a useful enough outfit.
I would have Cork as favorites for Munster at this stage despite what the bookies say.Kerry working out how to beat Dublin will be music to their ears. People should look back at last years Munster final threads which show how much we underestimated Cork. They were the better team the first day and we did well to hang in there.
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Post by KY50 on May 14, 2016 17:11:33 GMT
Below is my post pre Munster final 2015 [ Note - very unlucky to be relegated,could also have made the semi's, In 2015 and 2014 six points would have been good enough to stay up] The Cork game is very interesting, we are probably in the opposite situation as in 2014, Cork will be coming to Killarney possibly as underdogs.We have a tendency to view things through green tinted glasses. The following are some of the arguments that can be made for Cork Media motivation Pat Flanagans training and conditioning Colm O Neill in excellent form Very strong league apart from the final Alan O Connor gives them another option in midfield, remember in 2013 he took control in the second half Declan O Sullivan retired - A master class Colm and James not back to full match fitness yet Kerry defence, lack of pace in midfield,injuries and no plan B in attack Corks Physicality At this stage I would settle for a draw Read more: kerrygaa.proboards.com/thread/5753/munster-football-final-kerry-cork#ixzz48eQBbOMe
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Post by Premier on May 14, 2016 23:35:09 GMT
Kingdomson - agree totally, lets focus on the job at hand - Clare promoted to division 2, beat Kildare in final - a useful enough outfit. I would have Cork as favorites for Munster at this stage despite what the bookies say.Kerry working out how to beat Dublin will be music to their ears. People should look back at last years Munster final threads which show how much we underestimated Cork. They were the better team the first day and we did well to hang in there. Realistically we spout out this nonsense every year before championship. Take last year, Tipperary were the 'coming team' with Kerry in their sights. I lot of people wondered would this be the big scalp. Tipperary didn't raise a leg and Kerry won comfortably. One could say that Clare are better, citing promotion to Division 2 but Clare haven't put together anything in Championship in years. It is because of these phantom ideas that the underdog can spring a real surprise that managers have to come out every time before games and give the same standard answers which always involve the words "respect", "tough game" "nothing taken for granted" instead of actual insight from the brightest football minds around. With regard to your assertation that Cork are favourites, I presume this is another case of bigging up the opposition only to be pleasantly surprised when we win which is a Kerrymam's trademark now. Cork are after getting relegated this year, haven't won in Killarney in over 20 years and seem to be an overall worse team than a few years ago; Cork as favourites? I think we'll leave the 'yerrah' behind us this time
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Post by derry4sam on May 15, 2016 11:09:57 GMT
I wouldn't at all subscribe to the theory that this is the 'perfect ambush' scenario for Clare at all if they do meet Kerry. It is probably the worst thing that could have happened Clare or Limerick that Kerry got such a beating in the league final, lots of fellas on the Kerry team will be extremely thick for want of a better word over the league final and dying to play this game now. I think Clare or Limerick face a massive backlash and probably an even more motivated Kerry team for such an early stage of the Championship than would usually be the case.
With regards the panel, Killian Spillane, Mark O'Connor and Jason Foley are definitely in there now as is Gavin Crowley and Morley (not entirely sure were they always there?).. Mangan from Milltown is there too I believe. Brian O Beaglaioch is currently injured I think and also Enright may have picked up an injury, maybe some one else might be able to clarify that?
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Post by KY50 on May 15, 2016 14:02:31 GMT
Premier - Hear what you are saying.I am not playing up Cork, last year I predicted a draw and was right. All I am saying is we cannot underestimate Cork and we will be doing well to get past them. They are hiding away in the long grass and have plenty of ability across the team.
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Post by givehimaball on May 15, 2016 17:56:57 GMT
Premier - Hear what you are saying.I am not playing up Cork, last year I predicted a draw and was right. All I am saying is we cannot underestimate Cork and we will be doing well to get past them. They are hiding away in the long grass and have plenty of ability across the team. Re Cork, I think Peader Healy is far closer to a Cuthbert than a Counihan. You look at the difference in the Crokes this year compared to how they were last year under Healy and it's light years apart.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on May 15, 2016 18:14:34 GMT
Premier - Hear what you are saying.I am not playing up Cork, last year I predicted a draw and was right. All I am saying is we cannot underestimate Cork and we will be doing well to get past them. They are hiding away in the long grass and have plenty of ability across the team. Re Cork, I think Peader Healy is far closer to a Cuthbert than a Counihan. You look at the difference in the Crokes this year compared to how they were last year under Healy and it's light years apart. A Cuthbert and a Counihan? Which would be worse? In my opinion Counihan was about as sophisticated as an outhouse in his methods.
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Post by givehimaball on May 16, 2016 10:10:08 GMT
Re Cork, I think Peader Healy is far closer to a Cuthbert than a Counihan. You look at the difference in the Crokes this year compared to how they were last year under Healy and it's light years apart. A Cuthbert and a Counihan? Which would be worse? In my opinion Counihan was about as sophisticated as an outhouse in his methods. Counihan might not have been sophisticated but I'd take a crude winner over a loser any day - beyond even success terms of silverware, look at the teams Counihan beat in championship versus who Cork beat under Cuthbert in the championship - Clare, Sligo and Tipp
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Post by fitz on May 16, 2016 23:52:47 GMT
Premier - Hear what you are saying.I am not playing up Cork, last year I predicted a draw and was right. All I am saying is we cannot underestimate Cork and we will be doing well to get past them. They are hiding away in the long grass and have plenty of ability across the team. There's no long grass in Cork. They're a poor side with a large number of decent but not All Ireland winning standard players. Of course on any given day anything can happen but given the gap needed to bridge with Dublin there'll be no messing around here. A cold convincing victory by a minimum of 5 points with a couple of 21s introduced. The only reason I think the scoreline will be relatively close is the history of the fixture and Cork will be forced to conjure up some bottle. They don't have one marquee player. Peter Kelliher is promising? Again, I don't mean to be disrespectful to Cork folk but their team for the last 5 years has failed every important test in Championship. If we don't beat them with a bit to spare I'd be very worried going to 1/4s and likely the Dubs.
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Post by kerrygold on May 17, 2016 8:48:25 GMT
I see Tipp footballers have only retained something like 10 of last years panel. Deflections to OZ and hurling being cited as some of the reasons. With some bad vibes expressed towards young duel players this spring and being forced to choose one sport over the other, unfortunately I think we can discount the notion that Tipp will step up to the top table in football. Tipp would need to be consistently in the top half of div 2 of the NFL and knocking on the door of div 1 on a regular bases. It looks like that hurling will win out in Tipp to the detriment of football. Clare seem to have taken on the mantle of challenging Cork and Kerry in Munster after surpassing Tipp's requirement of gaining promotion to div 2 of the NFL. It is a pity that both Tipp and Clare cant get to and consistently remain in higher NF leagues.
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Post by givehimaball on May 17, 2016 12:23:12 GMT
Peter Kelliher is promising? Would anyone bet against him joining the long long list of Cork footballers who look promising at U21 but fail to develop on properly as a senior? A Corkman was telling me the worst thing that happened was Kelliher having an impressive league as he was feared the management would base their tactics all around delivering high ball into him and would ignore how to get decent ball to O'Neill and Hurley. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
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Post by kerryexile on May 17, 2016 13:32:30 GMT
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Post by G_S_J on May 17, 2016 13:55:30 GMT
It was a nice read for obvious reasons, not entirely sure how sincere it is though. Feels like the writer has just spotted a gap in the market.
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Post by kerrygold on May 17, 2016 21:39:39 GMT
Sweeney is one of those pinch of salt types of Jurnos, was well able to put the boot into Kerry at various times during the noughties.
It's high class plamasing to suggest that Kerry will be last team standing in September at this point in time.
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Post by Mickmack on May 17, 2016 22:12:44 GMT
Will JOD, Paul Geaney amd Anthony Maher be back soon fully recovered, fit and well?
We would struggle to be in the top 3 teams without them...
Has the 2014 minor keeper Shane Ryan been called up at all?
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