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Post by The16thMan on Feb 25, 2016 3:29:49 GMT
Kerry GAA are throwing their weight behind a Dublin motion calling for all televised games to be 'free to air'.
Kingdom chairman Patrick O'Sullivan confirmed to The Examiner that they will backing Dublin's call for the introduction of a rule which will prohibit the GAA from negotiating exclusive broadcasting rights with pay-per-view companies.
The Dublin motion that will be debated this weekend is similar to a motion submitted by the Beale club to the annual Kerry convention last December.
“We passed a motion that all games should be free to air for the sake of people who have given a lifetime of service to the GAA and can’t go to matches,” O'Sullivan explained.
“The main difference between our motion and Dublin’s is theirs is put into the form of a rule and ours was put out of order (as it wasn’t a rule) but the principle is the same as Dublin’s.
“Dublin are creating a new rule and we as a county would be supporting their motion, based on our county board meeting last week. We’re representing the club and this is the direction we are taking.”
- Source:Hoganstand.com
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Post by buck02 on Feb 25, 2016 12:16:56 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 25, 2016 16:11:22 GMT
I think the GAA is reacting here as the games should be 'free to view' with RTE and TG4 and then let Sky buy whatever they want after that. We have media experts among us and the GAA community need to bet up to speed on game changing media, pun intended? I'd include The Internet of Things in this. One suggestion was that the colour of the sliotar needs to be visible in multi-media, as it is harder for those not raised in the game to track the ball, and which is almost impossible on a Smart Phone; ok you may not watch a game on such a device but given what hurling can throw up there is an opportunity to seize on the opportunity of class acts going viral. These really raise the profile of the game and the market is begging for that what hurling has to offer. Advertising on the back of such viral clips would be considerable.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 25, 2016 17:24:03 GMT
The GPA are calling for a NO vote on this motion at Congress.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 25, 2016 19:50:36 GMT
Marty just reported on RTE News that a small club that is nearest Croker is proposing exactly what I suggested. Kerry County Board is nearer the mark than Dublin.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 25, 2016 21:24:27 GMT
5 million a year, no doubt this figure is hyped, from an annual income of 56 million, well, lord help us for we do not know what we do.
Hopefully pay for view will be blown clean out of the "Sky" at the weekend.....................
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 26, 2016 10:14:53 GMT
I contend that this will result in no more games broadcast free to air and this less games on television overall.
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Post by kerrygold on Feb 26, 2016 10:23:49 GMT
But the ones we want to see will be on free to air.
SKY don't need exclusive rights to spread the GAA gospel outside of Ireland.
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 26, 2016 11:17:59 GMT
SKY don't need exclusive rights to spread the GAA gospel outside of Ireland. Let's be honest here,There is a tiny market outside of Ireland for the GAA,Nobody watched it in the UK,The Australian TV deal went south when nobody was watching and they got the games for FREE. There is a perception that once a guy in New Zealand watches a game of hurling he will be hooked,But people enjoy their own sports and sometimes their own national sports,There is a limited market for worldwide GAA |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 26, 2016 12:05:21 GMT
If it is true that the market outside Ireland is negligible then the Sky deal did nothing apart from screwing us here at home, i.e. GAA did what rugby and soccer are doing.
Here's a proposition:
All GAA games broadcast in English on Free To View within Ireland, making it Free To View for GAA Club members globally on say a PC, or by some special arrangement on TV.
I am sick and tired of being deprived of enjoying games as Gaeilge because some bunch of incompetents in the GAA and the Irish language entities (E.g. TG4) won't bother to get off their arses and prepare vocabulary lists for Gaelic games. These lists of common words would help us reach that threshold of understanding what commentators are actually saying and it is an insult to minors that their own families don't know what is going on during those special occasions when a lad makes his debut and/or plays in Croker. If Lingaphone can teach a foreign language in 6 weeks then this is a straight forward exercise. Giving TG4 a monopoly on some games is ridiculous, can you imagine an Irish person abroad not being able to understand the commentary on their native games, and those are the lucky ones who could get it. Then interfering with the streaming so we are also blocked off from listening to our favourite commentator is contempt and we should be able to view on TV while listening to Weeshie or whoever.
I try to restrain but there comes a time when you do get sick of lack of action, moreover as those responsible, well who should be responsible, are paid good money to do a good job.
As a community sport the GAA needs to listen to it's community more, and to draw on the expertise and where many respected members who are expert in the respective areas will volunteer. I know this will happen eventually but other events will overtake us if we don't cut to the chase. The commitment of the playing community and the volunteers around them deserves no less.
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Post by lár na páirce on Feb 27, 2016 13:23:49 GMT
If it is true that the market outside Ireland is negligible then the Sky deal did nothing apart from screwing us here at home, i.e. GAA did what rugby and soccer are doing. Here's a proposition: All GAA games broadcast in English on Free To View within Ireland, making it Free To View for GAA Club members globally on say a PC, or by some special arrangement on TV. I am sick and tired of being deprived of enjoying games as Gaeilge because some bunch of incompetents in the GAA and the Irish language entities (E.g. TG4) won't bother to get off their arses and prepare vocabulary lists for Gaelic games. These lists of common words would help us reach that threshold of understanding what commentators are actually saying and it is an insult to minors that their own families don't know what is going on during those special occasions when a lad makes his debut and/or plays in Croker. If Lingaphone can teach a foreign language in 6 weeks then this is a straight forward exercise. Giving TG4 a monopoly on some games is ridiculous, can you imagine an Irish person abroad not being able to understand the commentary on their native games, and those are the lucky ones who could get it. Then interfering with the streaming so we are also blocked off from listening to our favourite commentator is contempt and we should be able to view on TV while listening to Weeshie or whoever. I try to restrain but there comes a time when you do get sick of lack of action, moreover as those responsible, well who should be responsible, are paid good money to do a good job. As a community sport the GAA needs to listen to it's community more, and to draw on the expertise and where many respected members who are expert in the respective areas will volunteer. I know this will happen eventually but other events will overtake us if we don't cut to the chase. The commitment of the playing community and the volunteers around them deserves no less. Can you imagine an Irish person abroad not being able to understand the their native language,That is the sad part really.TG4 do a great service not only to the GAA but trying to promote our native tongue.I say fair play to them |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 27, 2016 16:27:15 GMT
If it is true that the market outside Ireland is negligible then the Sky deal did nothing apart from screwing us here at home, i.e. GAA did what rugby and soccer are doing. Here's a proposition: All GAA games broadcast in English on Free To View within Ireland, making it Free To View for GAA Club members globally on say a PC, or by some special arrangement on TV. I am sick and tired of being deprived of enjoying games as Gaeilge because some bunch of incompetents in the GAA and the Irish language entities (E.g. TG4) won't bother to get off their arses and prepare vocabulary lists for Gaelic games. These lists of common words would help us reach that threshold of understanding what commentators are actually saying and it is an insult to minors that their own families don't know what is going on during those special occasions when a lad makes his debut and/or plays in Croker. If Lingaphone can teach a foreign language in 6 weeks then this is a straight forward exercise. Giving TG4 a monopoly on some games is ridiculous, can you imagine an Irish person abroad not being able to understand the commentary on their native games, and those are the lucky ones who could get it. Then interfering with the streaming so we are also blocked off from listening to our favourite commentator is contempt and we should be able to view on TV while listening to Weeshie or whoever. I try to restrain but there comes a time when you do get sick of lack of action, moreover as those responsible, well who should be responsible, are paid good money to do a good job. As a community sport the GAA needs to listen to it's community more, and to draw on the expertise and where many respected members who are expert in the respective areas will volunteer. I know this will happen eventually but other events will overtake us if we don't cut to the chase. The commitment of the playing community and the volunteers around them deserves no less. Can you imagine an Irish person abroad not being able to understand the their native language,That is the sad part really.TG4 do a great service not only to the GAA but trying to promote our native tongue.I say fair play to them It depends on where one allocates the blame and I suppose as Irish citizens we are all responsible and isn't it Conradh na Gaeilge that is ultimately responsible? I have long pointed to the need for lists, say in order of how common the words are used in match commentaries and the same could be done for say Horse Racing, etc. TG4 could be moboilised and what we need is a credible ambassador to get us across the threshold where we could converse, once we achieved critical mass we would then be there and where better than to start that with televised GAA. I believe that listening to a language is the fastest way to learn it and that much of it is relearning so bringing back to life what we learned at school. Quote of the day - A nation without a mother tongue is a nation without it's mother culture. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 27, 2016 16:28:39 GMT
If it is true that the market outside Ireland is negligible then the Sky deal did nothing apart from screwing us here at home, i.e. GAA did what rugby and soccer are doing. Here's a proposition: All GAA games broadcast in English on Free To View within Ireland, making it Free To View for GAA Club members globally on say a PC, or by some special arrangement on TV. I am sick and tired of being deprived of enjoying games as Gaeilge because some bunch of incompetents in the GAA and the Irish language entities (E.g. TG4) won't bother to get off their arses and prepare vocabulary lists for Gaelic games. These lists of common words would help us reach that threshold of understanding what commentators are actually saying and it is an insult to minors that their own families don't know what is going on during those special occasions when a lad makes his debut and/or plays in Croker. If Lingaphone can teach a foreign language in 6 weeks then this is a straight forward exercise. Giving TG4 a monopoly on some games is ridiculous, can you imagine an Irish person abroad not being able to understand the commentary on their native games, and those are the lucky ones who could get it. Then interfering with the streaming so we are also blocked off from listening to our favourite commentator is contempt and we should be able to view on TV while listening to Weeshie or whoever. I try to restrain but there comes a time when you do get sick of lack of action, moreover as those responsible, well who should be responsible, are paid good money to do a good job. As a community sport the GAA needs to listen to it's community more, and to draw on the expertise and where many respected members who are expert in the respective areas will volunteer. I know this will happen eventually but other events will overtake us if we don't cut to the chase. The commitment of the playing community and the volunteers around them deserves no less. Can you imagine an Irish person abroad not being able to understand the their native language,That is the sad part really.TG4 do a great service not only to the GAA but trying to promote our native tongue.I say fair play to them All TG4 does is broadcast and it depends on where one allocates the blame, I suppose as Irish citizens we are all responsible and isn't it Conradh na Gaeilge that is ultimately responsible? I have long pointed to the need for lists, say in order of how common the words are used in match commentaries and the same could be done for say Horse Racing, etc. TG4 could be moboilised and what we need is a credible ambassador to get us across the threshold where we could converse, once we achieved critical mass we would then be there and where better than to start that with televised GAA. I believe that listening to a language is the fastest way to learn it and that much of it is relearning so bringing back to life what we learned at school. Quote of the day - A nation that loses it's mother tongue is a nation that has lost it's originality. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 27, 2016 16:36:19 GMT
I also note the name of this thread, the other side of the coin (pun intended?) is that it now looks like it is a choice between Sky or those who made the GAA what it is. We have to be sensible and volunteers are sacred, then look at what we can gain from the media and negotiate accordingly. Is it all as simple as that or am I missing something? I wouldn't be expert on TV media but I do have a sense of where this multi-media lark is headed.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 27, 2016 19:13:46 GMT
GAA says ‘Yes’ to continuing with pay-per-view championship coverage
The GAA will continue to deal with pay-per-view TV channels for championship coverage, following a decision taken by Congress.
An overwhelming (85-15 per cent) of delegates voted to maintain the status quo, allowing GAA negotiators to deal with all TV channels, including pay-per-view.
Dublin wanted a rule introduced so that all televised games were made available to free-to-air channels, thereby effectively ending the relationship with Sky after the current deal expires this year.
Dublin argued that dealing with subscription channels seriously impacted on supporters who could not afford to pay. They were supported by Donegal,who claimed that since the GAA had a voluntary ethos, televised games should be available free-of-charge to all members.
Cavan, Cork, Galway and Longford led opposition to the proposal, citing the disadvantages of ruling out any TV channel when it came to negotiations.
Former President, Nickey Brennan said that from a commercial viewpoint, it would be crazy to exclude any channel and was supported by GPA representative, Dermot Earley. He urged delegated to leave it to the GAA’s leadership to handle all television deals.
TV rights for 2017-2019 will be negotiated later this year. Under the existing agreement, RTE have exclusive access to 31 ‘live’ championship games while Sky have 14 games.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 17, 2016 13:04:28 GMT
Does anyone have details on games that are exclusive to Sky for the Championships?
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 8, 2016 12:31:03 GMT
Ah jazus, here we go again, GAA President Aogán Ó Fearghaíl said today that they are now negotiating on the basis that the GAA's objective is not to facilitate stalwarts isolated from viewing but to spread the games around the globe while getting as many as possible to travel the length and breadth of the country to watch games that may be incidental to them. Well I'll say one thing for him, he makers his intentions clear and he is effectively saying that the GAA will choose potential short term financial gain and abandon it's role as a community sport, i.e. professionalism over amateur status. Worrying, and I think he risks losing credibility with grassroots while an ethnic game has limitations on it's appeal, unlike say soccer, golf, athletics, etc. I can't understand why they don't consult with the GAA community, ah maybe our views will be considered and we must speak up for those without a voice, those who wouldn't have access to the internet. According the The Examiner they now stick the knife into 'the hearts of the old, the poor and the isolated', are they giving a new meaning to the term 'spread your wings and fly away'? This Sky lark coincided with a loss of viewers/spectators and we need clarification on the plan as many feel that amid the complexity of all these networks, the supposed gains are dubious. Click here for a stark reminder of Mayo v Donegal in '15. |
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Post by seamus on Sept 8, 2016 13:58:02 GMT
The GAA hierarchy has justified itself on the basis of money.
1. They pay staff big money, they generate big money via TV deals that don't make sense, gate receipts from fixtures that dont make sense (Kerry v Cork being played in Croker to appease 10 year and Corporates), Gareth Brooks concerts and sponsorship deals
2. The money is used to pay off the players (€6m GPA deal), county boards (grants for staff and new facilities) and Provincials councils.
3. The provincial councils then hold the purse strings for each province and are used as a way of paying out the clubs for grants for club developments and coaches (all GDA's are paid by Munster Council). They are the money men.
The top brass are taking the view that everyone is getting a pay out so why are you complaining?
The reality is most of the grass roots want a different GAA
1. More balance to club fixtures which means a set, short calender for intercounty with no lucrative replays allowed which destroy the calender
2. More even games which means getting rid of provincial structures
3. More sense to local inter county fixtures instead of bringing everyone to Dublin for local derbies
4. Less detachment from county teams to clubs
5. Bring back the volunteer
etc etc
People don't realise that it will be easier for the UK to enforce BREXIT than for the provincial structures to be removed. Why - Money?
Each provincial council has a number of staff and controls all funding to clubs in the province. To unravel that will be like reforming the HSE or as Brian Cowen called it - Angola
The GAA has morphed into a financial monster similar to REHAB or the other big charities in the docks.
As long as the main focus is on money the game is only heading one way - to keep the money flowing.
More games, more TV deals, more sponsorship etc
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 8, 2016 15:06:44 GMT
But seamus, that can be done without compromising the pillar that is amateur status? I think they are sleep walking here, and they are determined, I detected a tone of contempt in the announcement, the people worst affected won't talk up, they just take what is served up as they did in their day but that day is gone, I am saddened as I know that it is the WRONG way to go, they are conceding what marks the GAA out on the world stage and what is even worse, there are options that would satisfy all constraints, I said it before and I'll say it again, they should engage with knowledgeable people in the GAA community and moreover as The Information Age is changing so fast, expertise is vital yet people would give freely of it for the cause. And yes, the ignorant will shoot the messenger, they know as much about as their arses know about a holiday.
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 8, 2016 15:15:32 GMT
The big losers are the 100s of thousands of people around the country who don't have access to Sky Sports and don't get to see the games. Ever tried watching a GAA game on Sky in a busy tourist pub at evening meal time on the Ring of Kerry? A load of bxxxxxxs.
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Post by bilythewalsh on Sept 8, 2016 15:30:50 GMT
I didn't realise until I was away on a weekend recently that GAA Go charges €14 just to watch an episode of The Sunday Game. Milking it when it comes to ex-pats.
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Post by seamus on Sept 8, 2016 15:57:41 GMT
But seamus, that can be done without compromising the pillar that is amateur status? I think they are sleep walking here, and they are determined, I detected a tone of contempt in the announcement, the people worst affected won't talk up, they just take what is served up as they did in their day but that day is gone, I am saddened as I know that it is the WRONG way to go, they are conceding what marks the GAA out on the world stage and what is even worse, there are options that would satisfy all constraints, I said it before and I'll say it again, they should engage with knowledgeable people in the GAA community and moreover as The Information Age is changing so fast, expertise is vital yet people would give freely of it for the cause. And yes, the ignorant will shoot the messenger, they know as much about as their arses know about a holiday. I agree. They need to protect the fundementals of the organisation. That will involve financial compromise but I think most GAA people would be happy to do that. Free to air for every game in every house No lucrative replays which destroy club fixtures Reduced income from 10 year and corporates to allow quarter finals to be played in local venues at less cost to suppporters Scrap/ change provincial structures If we were told the financial implication of that was the Centre of Excellence in Currans getting 500k instead of €1m from Croke park, clubs getting 5% less for capital projects etc then I think it is a choice most people would make. The point is money has become the dictator of all HQ decisions on the basis that they are giving the grassroots more and more. Even though we dont really want it at the cost it is placing on our games. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Sept 8, 2016 19:40:32 GMT
But seamus, that can be done without compromising the pillar that is amateur status? I think they are sleep walking here, and they are determined, I detected a tone of contempt in the announcement, the people worst affected won't talk up, they just take what is served up as they did in their day but that day is gone, I am saddened as I know that it is the WRONG way to go, they are conceding what marks the GAA out on the world stage and what is even worse, there are options that would satisfy all constraints, I said it before and I'll say it again, they should engage with knowledgeable people in the GAA community and moreover as The Information Age is changing so fast, expertise is vital yet people would give freely of it for the cause. And yes, the ignorant will shoot the messenger, they know as much about as their arses know about a holiday. I agree. They need to protect the fundementals of the organisation. That will involve financial compromise but I think most GAA people would be happy to do that. Free to air for every game in every house No lucrative replays which destroy club fixtures Reduced income from 10 year and corporates to allow quarter finals to be played in local venues at less cost to suppporters Scrap/ change provincial structures If we were told the financial implication of that was the Centre of Excellence in Currans getting 500k instead of €1m from Croke park, clubs getting 5% less for capital projects etc then I think it is a choice most people would make. The point is money has become the dictator of all HQ decisions on the basis that they are giving the grassroots more and more. Even though we dont really want it at the cost it is placing on our games. I am one who thinks provincial finals are sacred, they are immovable feasts in the calendar, they minimise travel while as a different framework to the league it throws different match-ups. Nothing is perfect. I often think club games should go ahead without country players. As regards cash I'm not privy to the intricacies at operational level but the GAA ain't short and they would have massive borrowing capability given their assets. Croker alone is worth billions so they could borrow maybe €10b on the back of that. The thing about borrowing is that inflation reduces the debt in real terms and you have a bigger return from the increased investment. Most important of all, the games are taken to a higher level maybe a generation sooner than would otherwise be the case. Anyway the big issue here is that the amateur DNA is being challenged by the powers that be and that looks bad, is bad! |
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 9, 2016 8:55:45 GMT
Try keeping a lid on the amateur ethos if Croke Park went down that road.
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Post by buck02 on Sept 9, 2016 10:21:57 GMT
I recall a few years ago when the issue of "rural isolation" and the impact it was having on the mental health of (mostly) elderly men in rural Ireland was a hot topic.
Wouldnt it be great if maybe the local GAA club, Senior Citizens associations and so on arranged for people to congregate in a clubhouse or a bar to watch these games that arent on free to air TV. Instead of always seeing the worst in a situation, maybe see what opportunity can be derived from it. Ask the local bus hire company to put on a bus for a nominal fee, advertise it at mass and through the grapevine, get people together to watch the matches. Who knows, instead of wallowing at home drinking cups of tea or something stronger, such people might meet a few like-minded people and continue to meet them for card games, to watch other matches etc throughout the year.
And Kerrygold, I had to laugh at your assertion about trying to find a pub on the ring of Kerry to watch a match during the summer. On one hand you are constantly harping on about how the region is dying on its knees, but on the other hand every pub and hotel is jammed to the rafters all summer. Which is it, you cant have your cake and eat it!
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Post by kerrygold on Sept 9, 2016 11:19:10 GMT
I recall a few years ago when the issue of "rural isolation" and the impact it was having on the mental health of (mostly) elderly men in rural Ireland was a hot topic. Wouldnt it be great if maybe the local GAA club, Senior Citizens associations and so on arranged for people to congregate in a clubhouse or a bar to watch these games that arent on free to air TV. Instead of always seeing the worst in a situation, maybe see what opportunity can be derived from it. Ask the local bus hire company to put on a bus for a nominal fee, advertise it at mass and through the grapevine, get people together to watch the matches. Who knows, instead of wallowing at home drinking cups of tea or something stronger, such people might meet a few like-minded people and continue to meet them for card games, to watch other matches etc throughout the year. And Kerrygold, I had to laugh at your assertion about trying to find a pub on the ring of Kerry to watch a match during the summer. On one hand you are constantly harping on about how the region is dying on its knees, but on the other hand every pub and hotel is jammed to the rafters all summer. Which is it, you cant have your cake and eat it! Tourism on the Ring is very much of the Drive-thru variety monopolised by killarney, is seasonal in nature with a short summer peak, tapped into by a handful of catering establishments, that coincides with the summer championship on tv. I can't really see the collective model working in the local clubs with sufficient sustainable weekly numbers to make it work. Apart from the odd dollop of Black Forest Gateau cake doesn't really interest me. A quiet pint of Guinness is more appealing to the taste buds and mental satisfaction and well being. While tourism should be a pillar of economical sustainability in the south west Kerry it is haphazard at best in its application locally. We don't need Sky GAA down here, blue chip broad band would be a start. |
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Post by kerrygold on Oct 26, 2016 20:06:15 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Oct 26, 2016 20:30:59 GMT
I wonder how much TG4 are paying for the rights to the games they broadcast.
The GAA shows are consistently the best performers for TG4 but given how poor TG4 is doing overall that's not exactly high praise.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Oct 27, 2016 16:00:11 GMT
A lot of people are having issues when they try to cancel Sky at the end of the season and I for one can vouch for it. They refuse to accept written confirmation if you don't mind but the regulator didn't agree. They are like what people were saying on Talk to Joe about Eir, i.e. if you call them and press the button for Cancellation they refuse to take the call, knowing you will hang up and go away, and the bill keeps ticking up. I understood from the initial chat with their sales staff that 'with Sky you could always cancel instantly' but there is also a full months billable notice and which is fair enough unless you are led to believe otherwise.
I suppose the real issue is the sharp practice with their reluctance to cancel contracts and I just had to write to them so lets see how that goes.
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Post by Mickmack on Nov 5, 2016 12:06:27 GMT
The rugby between Ireland and All Blacks is on "Eir Sport 2". That apparently is the new name for Setanta
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