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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 10, 2016 13:18:20 GMT
Before anyone starts, this isn't a referee bashing thread. Just looking to see who people rate in the different districts. Please keep it clean and constructive. Underage or senior level.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2016 13:44:16 GMT
Eddie Walsh not bad if he lost the Garda attitude - think Paul Hayes KOR referee very good. Jonathan Griffin good up and coming referee also. Have no idea how Padraig O Sullivan is an intercounty ref - he is black against certain clubs in the county. Overall standard refereeing in Kerry is improving to be fair
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 10, 2016 13:57:31 GMT
I'd agree with a lot of that. Eddie is a decent referee, Jonathan Griffin is one of the best out there in my opinion. Also Brendan Griffin from Clounmacon is very good. Standard is definitely on the up. Trouble is, there are still too many mouths on the lines who don't seem to understand the rules and criticise refs strongly when the ref just does it by the book.
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Post by madforfootball on Feb 10, 2016 16:25:31 GMT
James sullivan from firies best referee talks to players and respects them which is a big thing there's a lot of good ones (Tommy Brosnan ,griffin, Hayes,) but a lot of bad ones too won't name them it's a thankless enough racket without doing that
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 10, 2016 18:54:44 GMT
Yeah, I find the good refs seem to be constantly talking to players. Definitely not an easy job!
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 10, 2016 19:11:30 GMT
consistency and communication are two important ingredients in a good ref - we will never all agree with a ref's interpretation of the rules but so long as he applies them consistently he is acceptable. communication helps de-mystify the calls which can be baffling until explained. These two ingredients help a ref gain a level of respect and this makes the job a little bit more manageable. rugby refs being miked has helped in this regard for that code.
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 11, 2016 16:08:57 GMT
consistency and communication are two important ingredients in a good ref - we will never all agree with a ref's interpretation of the rules but so long as he applies them consistently he is acceptable. communication helps de-mystify the calls which can be baffling until explained. These two ingredients help a ref gain a level of respect and this makes the job a little bit more manageable. rugby refs being miked has helped in this regard for that code. I think you're not far off the mark there. Consistency is crucial. Cracks me up seeing a ref blowing for one thing and then letting the same thing go later. Consistency amongst refs is another thing, one ref will blow for one thing and another ref would let it go. That's down to more training for refs though I'd say. We've a long way to go to get the level of respect refs have in Rugby. Think the trainers need to lead by example here and not shout abuse from the lines. It has to start somewhere.
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Post by clancy on Feb 11, 2016 20:39:47 GMT
I agree that Mgt need to start behaving, and players as well as a lot of "adults" in the stand that feel any abuse at all levels/age groups in clubs is fair game. However there is an easy enough answer amd it's the reason rugby officials get such respect. If you Abuse a ref or even remonstrate At u8 to senior in club rugby you will be Sent off.
There is a hugh problem with refs letting this go on in Kerry. why a ref won't enter both changing rooms before a game and say. 1 word and your gone and follow through is beyond me. It's probably a fault of refing bosses too mind you. I won't get into who's the best ref ect but one of the lads named there is farcical as he is the opposite of consistent and is regularly at the centre of controversy however that is only opinion and he is still doing his best and would for sure be well capable of applying the rules if he didn't have 30 + people shouting at his every decision. Human nature then means you will be effected.
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Feb 12, 2016 7:56:23 GMT
I think they are mad in the head to take the abuse and I think some of the things we say about refs is disgraceful.
We are regularly calling into question the integrity if refs and this must stop.
If I have anything to say about refs it is that some of them should let games flow more i.e. calling too many fouls on BOTH teams.
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Post by Jigz84 on Feb 12, 2016 11:57:36 GMT
This article is pretty apt for the thread I think. www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paul-rouse/why-would-you-be-a-referee-with-the-insults-they-get-381253.htmlPAUL ROUSE: Why would you be a referee with the insults they get? The impulse that brings referees to choose of their own free will a life of Sundays filled with insult remains a profound mystery. GAA referees are largely devoid of the narcissism of their counterparts in the English Premier League, whose pursuit of cult status induces nausea. Nobody who watches — for example — Mark Clattenburg can doubt the scale of adoration that he exhibits for himself. And he is just the latest in a long line who wish the game to be a drama about themselves. Neither do GAA referees benefit from the international travel — or the immaculate grooming — of elite rugby referees. What can illustrate that better than the watches international rugby referees wear. Tissot PRC 200 RBS 6 Nations Special Edition worn by referees this spring: ‘The PRC 200 reflects the dynamism and passion for sport of both Tissot and the players competing in the Championship perfectly, with its fiery red details and athletic attitude. Like the rugby players themselves, the watch, as the name indicates, is Precise, Robust yet Classy.’ It is difficult to imagine such a sentence written about GAA referees by their ‘corporate partners’. And yet these are men who, in their own way, can often be as dedicated as the players they referee. The fitness required of referees demands that a particular lifestyle be pursued — this can’t be easy as time passes. But when it comes down to it, GAA referees could be Olympic athletics blessed with the eyesight of a falcon, impeccable judgement and positively glowing with empathy, and it still would matter little. The inevitability of losing in sport does not necessarily make it any easier to take. There are those who say that knowing you gave everything you have — on the pitch and in preparation — allows you to walk away with head unbowed, proud and better able to accept defeat. And that may very well be true — but it is only true sometimes and usually only true to a point. Indeed, one of the hardest things to accept when you lose is that you are not (or have not been) good enough, despite the fact that you’ve poured your life into something for a year and more. Softening the cruelty of that fact — or even seeking to erase it altogether — inspires the fashioning of a plausible scapegoat. And what could be more plausible than the ready-made presence of a referee, not least because of the mistakes they will repeatedly make during games. Analysis of refereeing mistakes made in English Premier League soccer matches claims that the number of incorrect decisions made by officials in matches sits at 5% to 6% of all decisions that they give. In the way of things, partisan followers of clubs will stand convinced that it is their own team that has been the victim of almost all of that percentage. Such conviction lends itself to spicy chants about the lineage of referees and their more private habits. It can also extend to death threats by phone, letter and email — which are obviously particularly odious. Or to (harmless) petitions such as the one taken up by Arsenal fans who demand that Jon Moss never be allowed to referee one of their matches again, after he was the official in charge of their narrow 4-0 defeat to Southampton. Within the world of Gaelic games, clubs and counties threatening that they will never again play under a particular referee are not unheard of. And of course — just as in every sport ever devised — referees have made decisions that have defined matches and have subsequently been shown to be entirely wrong. Usually, in the clamour that follows such a mistake, the cry goes out for increased use of technology. Such cries have propelled the International Football Association Board (the body that shapes the rules of soccer) to move towards trialling video technology for use round every key area of the game, from penalty awards to offside and red cards. There is an allure in this. There are mistakes that are so obvious that they will speedily be rectified and this is hard to argue against. But the notion that technology will utterly transform the accuracy of decision- making is not convincing. What it will most likely do instead is outsource decision-making from the man on the field to another man who is sitting in a room with feeds from multiple TV cameras relayed into various screens. It is difficult to see how this will not undermine a referee’s authority and still more difficult to see how, in the majority of calls that are marginal, it will eliminate controversy. There is clear precedence for why this is so. American football introduced replay reviews of decision in 1986 and used them until 1991. It was then decided that they should be abandoned. Replay reviews were then restored in 1999, but were only properly accepted in 2007 after decades of divisive debate. Probably the great unintended consequence of this debate, and of the move to use TV replays to allow for decisions to be reviewed, is the impact it has had on the rules themselves. In this respect, the rules of American Football have been changed in respect of what exactly constitutes a proper catch of the ball. They were changed first in 2000 and there were then so many controversies around controversies and catches that the NFL set up a special committee in 2015 to redefine what exactly constitutes a catch — and what doesn’t. In the process, the complexity of decision-making has been deepened, but not simplified. And mistakes — essential, vital, costly mistakes — continue to be made, leading to inevitable controversies. Last weekend’s Superbowl offers a perfect example. Carolina Panthers were heavy favourites but had never previously won a Superbowl. As they sought early momentum, one of their offences featured a contentious catch. The widespread view was that the decision of the referees (that wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery had not caught the ball) was wrong. The Panthers called for the decision to be reviewed. After TV reviews, the decision stood and the Panthers were placed on the backfoot and immediately conceded a score that gave the Denver Broncos the impetus that they needed. And the Panthers never properly recovered. There were, of course, many reasons why they didn’t recover, but the very need for recovery was directly consequential to a decision that illustrates just how obscure and impenetrable the rules on catching have become. The broader point here is that video replays which were first introduced to improve TV viewers enjoyment of sport as entertainment has not just changed how games are refereed, but even the nature of the games themselves. In essence, there is a price to be paid for increased use of technology. And there is still no getting away from the truth that the very best referees in every sport will be the ones who know the game, know the rules and manage the players. And, after everything, it will still remain the case that the most they can hope for is not to be noticed.
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Post by allrounder on Feb 16, 2016 11:19:44 GMT
TOP RFEREES FOR ME ARE AS FOLLOWS:
SOUTH KERRY - PAUL O'SULLIVAN EAST KERRY - TADHG AHERN, BRENDAN BROSNAN, EDDIE WALSH, PADRAIG O' SULLIVAN AND JAMES O' SULLIVAN NORTH KERRY - TOM MCCARTHY, SEAMUS MULVIHILL AND BRENDAN GRIFFIN MID KERRY - BILLY O' SHEA, PETER LYONS, SEAN JOY AND JONATHAN GRIFFIN WEST KERRY - CATHAL O DUBHDA TRALEE - PAUL HAYES, DENIS SAYERS AND KEVIN MCMAHON
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 16, 2016 15:26:26 GMT
TOP RFEREES FOR ME ARE AS FOLLOWS: SOUTH KERRY - PAUL O'SULLIVAN EAST KERRY - TADHG AHERN, BRENDAN BROSNAN, EDDIE WALSH, PADRAIG O' SULLIVAN AND JAMES O' SULLIVAN NORTH KERRY - TOM MCCARTHY, SEAMUS MULVIHILL AND BRENDAN GRIFFIN MID KERRY - BILLY O' SHEA, PETER LYONS, SEAN JOY AND JONATHAN GRIFFIN WEST KERRY - CATHAL O DUBHDA TRALEE - PAUL HAYES, DENIS SAYERS AND KEVIN MCMAHON FairPlay allrounder, that's fairly comprehensive. If you had to pick a top 3? Who would they be and what do they have that others don't? Have to say my top 3 would definitely be in your list. I think what we are lacking at present is enough referees that have the strength of conviction to make the unpopular call based on what they see and not what's shouted for by players/managers/supporters..... Too many refs get the calls wrong when it comes to handing out cards because, I can only assume, they know it'll be unpopular and will create hassle with one side. This is why we see yellows instead of blacks or reds so often. It's not that they don't know the rules, its that they don't apply the proper sanction as a yellow causes less grief. In my opinion this only creates a bigger problem in that games can then get away from them as too much is let go. You let one tackle off with a yellow instead of a black, then what do you do next time? We need consistency. If it's black then it's black, show him the line and move on.
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Post by allrounder on Feb 16, 2016 18:05:36 GMT
Top three is tough but my own personal preferences would be Paul Hayes (Tralee bias!!), James o Sullivan and seamus mulvihill (once his watch is working!!!!) They are very consistent, communicate with players and don't make any rash decisions.
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 16, 2016 18:12:30 GMT
Top three is tough but my own personal preferences would be Paul Hayes (Tralee bias!!), James o Sullivan and seamus mulvihill (once his watch is working!!!!) They are very consistent, communicate with players and don't make any rash decisions. I like James O'Sullivan to be fair. Brendan Griffin is very good, just needs to work a little on his hand signals. He makes the right calls but sometimes it difficult for supporters to know what way the free is going. He seems very level headed though which I guess is essential for a good ref. I'd also rate Jonathan Griffin. Quality ref and doesn't take sh!te. Can be firm but fair.
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Post by actionman on Feb 16, 2016 19:53:48 GMT
TOP RFEREES FOR ME ARE AS FOLLOWS: SOUTH KERRY - PAUL O'SULLIVAN EAST KERRY - TADHG AHERN, BRENDAN BROSNAN, EDDIE WALSH, PADRAIG O' SULLIVAN AND JAMES O' SULLIVAN NORTH KERRY - TOM MCCARTHY, SEAMUS MULVIHILL AND BRENDAN GRIFFIN MID KERRY - BILLY O' SHEA, PETER LYONS, SEAN JOY AND JONATHAN GRIFFIN WEST KERRY - CATHAL O DUBHDA TRALEE - PAUL HAYES, DENIS SAYERS AND KEVIN MCMAHON I wasnt going to comment on this but after seeing this post I feel I have to, I'm not trying to upset people or belittle referees but this is my honest opinion, SOUTH KERRY - PAUL O'SULLIVAN - Very Poor would give him Div 5 games only EAST KERRY - TADHG AHERN good young but has potential, BRENDAN BROSNAN Poor, EDDIE WALSH Good, PADRAIG O' SULLIVAN good but has a set against some teams AND JAMES O' SULLIVAN poor one of the worst refs in the county. NORTH KERRY - TOM MCCARTHY Good, SEAMUS MULVIHILL Good AND BRENDAN GRIFFIN Good MID KERRY - BILLY O' SHEA poor In the james OSullivan league, PETER LYONS poor, SEAN JOY poor AND JONATHAN GRIFFIN good but nuts WEST KERRY - CATHAL O DUBHDA Good TRALEE - PAUL HAYES Best in the county, DENIS SAYERS Good AND KEVIN MCMAHON good
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Post by clancy on Feb 16, 2016 20:31:54 GMT
TOP RFEREES FOR ME ARE AS FOLLOWS: SOUTH KERRY - PAUL O'SULLIVAN EAST KERRY - TADHG AHERN, BRENDAN BROSNAN, EDDIE WALSH, PADRAIG O' SULLIVAN AND JAMES O' SULLIVAN NORTH KERRY - TOM MCCARTHY, SEAMUS MULVIHILL AND BRENDAN GRIFFIN MID KERRY - BILLY O' SHEA, PETER LYONS, SEAN JOY AND JONATHAN GRIFFIN WEST KERRY - CATHAL O DUBHDA TRALEE - PAUL HAYES, DENIS SAYERS AND KEVIN MCMAHON I wasnt going to comment on this but after seeing this post I feel I have to, I'm not trying to upset people or belittle referees but this is my honest opinion, SOUTH KERRY - PAUL O'SULLIVAN - Very Poor would give him Div 5 games only EAST KERRY - TADHG AHERN good young but has potential, BRENDAN BROSNAN Poor, EDDIE WALSH Good, PADRAIG O' SULLIVAN good but has a set against some teams AND JAMES O' SULLIVAN poor one of the worst refs in the county. NORTH KERRY - TOM MCCARTHY Good, SEAMUS MULVIHILL Good AND BRENDAN GRIFFIN Good MID KERRY - BILLY O' SHEA poor In the james OSullivan league, PETER LYONS poor, SEAN JOY poor AND JONATHAN GRIFFIN good but nuts WEST KERRY - CATHAL O DUBHDA Good TRALEE - PAUL HAYES Best in the county, DENIS SAYERS Good AND KEVIN MCMAHON good you seem to be area specific in your likes and dislikes. Divisional championships are much tougher on refs as they so often live /work/know so many players fans ect... This often makes them vulnerable to evening things up and not sending players off who get verbal with them and then they give a few decisions here and there. That's understandable and is only seen by the offended party. Lots of people get the set against the ref after things didn't work out on few occasions. I'm well aware refs also have some awful days but really we expect too much. If they are fair (consistent) the result is likely to go for us as much as against. My opinion differs to yours, most likely because I met some of the refs on a better/worse day than you. I won't bother naming my perceived good ones as that would insult the rest of the brave "if mad for doing it" souls.
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 16, 2016 20:48:08 GMT
Goes to show you how difficult life can be for refs! Opinions can vary greatly, even looking above some refs are rated very highly by some and labelled as one of the worst in the county by another. I guess this is football all over, every decision will inevitably upset one side and please the other. Who'd be a ref! From what I've seen there is a young crop of referees emerging in the county with the last three or four years and they seem a lot more up to speed with things. Hopefully we'll have a good year ahead with very little mention of referees!
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 16, 2016 20:50:04 GMT
I wasnt going to comment on this but after seeing this post I feel I have to, I'm not trying to upset people or belittle referees but this is my honest opinion, SOUTH KERRY - PAUL O'SULLIVAN - Very Poor would give him Div 5 games only EAST KERRY - TADHG AHERN good young but has potential, BRENDAN BROSNAN Poor, EDDIE WALSH Good, PADRAIG O' SULLIVAN good but has a set against some teams AND JAMES O' SULLIVAN poor one of the worst refs in the county. NORTH KERRY - TOM MCCARTHY Good, SEAMUS MULVIHILL Good AND BRENDAN GRIFFIN Good MID KERRY - BILLY O' SHEA poor In the james OSullivan league, PETER LYONS poor, SEAN JOY poor AND JONATHAN GRIFFIN good but nuts WEST KERRY - CATHAL O DUBHDA Good TRALEE - PAUL HAYES Best in the county, DENIS SAYERS Good AND KEVIN MCMAHON good you seem to be area specific in your likes and dislikes. Divisional championships are much tougher on refs as they so often live /work/know so many players fans ect... This often makes them vulnerable to evening things up and not sending players off who get verbal with them and then they give a few decisions here and there. That's understandable and is only seen by the offended party. Lots of people get the set against the ref after things didn't work out on few occasions. I'm well aware refs also have some awful days but really we expect too much. If they are fair (consistent) the result is likely to go for us as much as against. My opinion differs to yours, most likely because I met some of the refs on a better/worse day than you. I won't bother naming my perceived good ones as that would insult the rest of the brave "if mad for doing it" souls. Go on Clancy, brave it, you're amongst friends here! Let's hear them.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 22, 2016 10:13:40 GMT
Rather than listing individuals (which I think is unfair) I would like to ask three simple questions 1/ What qualities makes a good referee? 2/ How can we help referees get better? 3/ What systems should be in place to improve the situation?
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Post by actionman on Feb 22, 2016 20:57:39 GMT
1/ What qualities makes a good referee? Consistency, fair and knowledgeable of the game 2/ How can we help referees get better? Some refs never kicked a ball and show favouritism, no training can help them. Those that are capable need to be able to spot their weakness when pointed out to them. 3/ What systems should be in place to improve the situation Encourage ex players to referee
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 23, 2016 17:39:26 GMT
Qualities that make a good referee? A good working knowledge of the rules - the trick here is that there is a large cohort of supporters that want refs to apply common sense. Difficulty here is that I'd rather a ref to referee the game according to the rules which oftentimes contradicts common sense but at least then you get consistency. It's when refs apply common sense that things can get out of hand. You let one thing go, then another and before you know it you have a free for all. How can we help referees get better? More referee training, more assessors. Supporters, team officials and players to stop shouting for fouls every minute of every game. I've watched a hell of a lot of games in the last 10 years and this is the standout thing. I would say with every minute that passes the ref will have at least 4/5 calls from the sideline or players to give a free for one thing or another. To be fair to referees this has to stop. The referee is probably the only impartial person there. Everyone else has a vested interest. Actionman, you say above that some refs never kicked a ball and you want more ex players to take up refereeing, yet, one of the refs that you refer to above as being 'poor' has played for Kerry (minor and underage level to the best of my knowledge). What systems should be put in place to improve the situation? Only allow 4 team officials inside the fence. Everyone else, subs included outside. Referees themselves to take a hard line with dissent. First sign of dissent from a player and give a yellow card. Make it known that they won't stand for it from the off and very quickly players will learn to close their mouth. This will stop a lot of the melees from starting in the first place.
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Post by mossie on Feb 28, 2016 12:05:21 GMT
Paul Hayes, Denis Sayers, Peter Lyons are good in my book.
Tom Godley and Finbar Canty are good hurling refs
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 29, 2016 15:23:18 GMT
Peter Lyons is a man that hardly ever moves inside the 45 when he's reffing, but he rarely gets things wrong. Quality ref!
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 29, 2016 15:33:29 GMT
Qualities that make a good referee? A good working knowledge of the rules - the trick here is that there is a large cohort of supporters that want refs to apply common sense. Difficulty here is that I'd rather a ref to referee the game according to the rules which oftentimes contradicts common sense but at least then you get consistency. It's when refs apply common sense that things can get out of hand. You let one thing go, then another and before you know it you have a free for all. How can we help referees get better? More referee training, more assessors. Supporters, team officials and players to stop shouting for fouls every minute of every game. I've watched a hell of a lot of games in the last 10 years and this is the standout thing. I would say with every minute that passes the ref will have at least 4/5 calls from the sideline or players to give a free for one thing or another. To be fair to referees this has to stop. The referee is probably the only impartial person there. Everyone else has a vested interest. Actionman, you say above that some refs never kicked a ball and you want more ex players to take up refereeing, yet, one of the refs that you refer to above as being 'poor' has played for Kerry (minor and underage level to the best of my knowledge). What systems should be put in place to improve the situation? Only allow 4 team officials inside the fence. Everyone else, subs included outside. Referees themselves to take a hard line with dissent. First sign of dissent from a player and give a yellow card. Make it known that they won't stand for it from the off and very quickly players will learn to close their mouth. This will stop a lot of the melees from starting in the first place. Would insisting on both managers giving on written feedback on a referees performance after each game be positive or negative? Referee already provides a match report. By doing this it could 1/ Provide feedback to the referee and the assessors 2/ Give a forum for management to outline grieviances 3/ Build a profile over time that would help all and sundry improve. If the same issues keep arising about referees (validly or not) or indeed the same compaints being made by managements (again they may or may not be valid) they can be dealt with and hopefully improve the situation.
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 29, 2016 17:50:59 GMT
Qualities that make a good referee? A good working knowledge of the rules - the trick here is that there is a large cohort of supporters that want refs to apply common sense. Difficulty here is that I'd rather a ref to referee the game according to the rules which oftentimes contradicts common sense but at least then you get consistency. It's when refs apply common sense that things can get out of hand. You let one thing go, then another and before you know it you have a free for all. How can we help referees get better? More referee training, more assessors. Supporters, team officials and players to stop shouting for fouls every minute of every game. I've watched a hell of a lot of games in the last 10 years and this is the standout thing. I would say with every minute that passes the ref will have at least 4/5 calls from the sideline or players to give a free for one thing or another. To be fair to referees this has to stop. The referee is probably the only impartial person there. Everyone else has a vested interest. Actionman, you say above that some refs never kicked a ball and you want more ex players to take up refereeing, yet, one of the refs that you refer to above as being 'poor' has played for Kerry (minor and underage level to the best of my knowledge). What systems should be put in place to improve the situation? Only allow 4 team officials inside the fence. Everyone else, subs included outside. Referees themselves to take a hard line with dissent. First sign of dissent from a player and give a yellow card. Make it known that they won't stand for it from the off and very quickly players will learn to close their mouth. This will stop a lot of the melees from starting in the first place. Would insisting on both managers giving on written feedback on a referees performance after each game be positive or negative? Referee already provides a match report. By doing this it could 1/ Provide feedback to the referee and the assessors 2/ Give a forum for management to outline grieviances 3/ Build a profile over time that would help all and sundry improve. If the same issues keep arising about referees (validly or not) or indeed the same compaints being made by managements (again they may or may not be valid) they can be dealt with and hopefully improve the situation. I think what you'd find if that were introduced is twofold. 1) It would become a slating exercise whereby the losing manager (rightly or wrongly) will inevitably blame the referee for their loss. With most teams now going for outside (paid) managers, these managers are under big pressure to have the team performing. Having a forum to lay that blame at the referee's feet give them a get out of jail card. 2) You will have fewer and fewer referees coming forward. Who is going to want to be a ref where they are critiqued after every match by the managers? i think bringing the managers and players up to speed on the rules of the game is more important. I recently downloaded the official rule book off the web and I'll tell you there's plenty in there that I didn't know about and I've played and coached all my life. We have coaches at present teaching our kids the rules of the game and the coaches themselves are in need of educating.
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Post by onlykerry on Feb 29, 2016 18:16:52 GMT
Would insisting on both managers giving on written feedback on a referees performance after each game be positive or negative? Referee already provides a match report. By doing this it could 1/ Provide feedback to the referee and the assessors 2/ Give a forum for management to outline grieviances 3/ Build a profile over time that would help all and sundry improve. If the same issues keep arising about referees (validly or not) or indeed the same compaints being made by managements (again they may or may not be valid) they can be dealt with and hopefully improve the situation. I think what you'd find if that were introduced is twofold. 1) It would become a slating exercise whereby the losing manager (rightly or wrongly) will inevitably blame the referee for their loss. With most teams now going for outside (paid) managers, these managers are under big pressure to have the team performing. Having a forum to lay that blame at the referee's feet give them a get out of jail card. 2) You will have fewer and fewer referees coming forward. Who is going to want to be a ref where they are critiqued after every match by the managers? i think bringing the managers and players up to speed on the rules of the game is more important. I recently downloaded the official rule book off the web and I'll tell you there's plenty in there that I didn't know about and I've played and coached all my life. We have coaches at present teaching our kids the rules of the game and the coaches themselves are in need of educating. That would be a danger and is the reason I list point 3 as build a profile - the profile is two way. If a managaer is constantly slating off the referees every time he loses then this tells a story also and the club/manager need to be spoken to particularly if the referees in question are getting ok reviews elsewhere.
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Post by ciarrailar on Feb 29, 2016 18:26:22 GMT
I think what you'd find if that were introduced is twofold. 1) It would become a slating exercise whereby the losing manager (rightly or wrongly) will inevitably blame the referee for their loss. With most teams now going for outside (paid) managers, these managers are under big pressure to have the team performing. Having a forum to lay that blame at the referee's feet give them a get out of jail card. 2) You will have fewer and fewer referees coming forward. Who is going to want to be a ref where they are critiqued after every match by the managers? i think bringing the managers and players up to speed on the rules of the game is more important. I recently downloaded the official rule book off the web and I'll tell you there's plenty in there that I didn't know about and I've played and coached all my life. We have coaches at present teaching our kids the rules of the game and the coaches themselves are in need of educating. That would be a danger and is the reason I list point 3 as build a profile - the profile is two way. If a managaer is constantly slating off the referees every time he loses then this tells a story also and the club/manager need to be spoken to particularly if the referees in question are getting ok reviews elsewhere. That's a very fair point. Somehow though I can't see the powers that be having this kind of vision.
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Post by ciarrailar on Mar 19, 2016 20:17:15 GMT
Any good young refs spotted at the divisional leagues or is it the same old troopers?
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Post by buck02 on Mar 20, 2016 10:42:59 GMT
The powers that be have Paul Hayes in charge of a Division 5 county league game today. There's a few lads in charge of Division 1 and 2 games, well the less said the better.
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Post by madforfootball on Mar 20, 2016 13:12:43 GMT
Derry Ahern is a fine good ref very fair and consistent , seen a young ref doing a under 14 game n east Kerry last year think he was from cordal was very impressed by him don't know his name
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