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Post by hurlingman on Oct 31, 2015 19:01:22 GMT
Just wondering how defunct clubs there and is there any pattern emerging or correlation between different factors. Obviously clubs come and go over the decades but I'd be more interested in recent years, say the last 10/20 years?
Brick Rangers would be an obvious example for this, but what others are there?
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 31, 2015 22:14:38 GMT
There was a club called Gale Rangers near Listowel. They are the only recently defunct club I can think of. I don't know much about them. I don't think they were around for long. Ballydonoghue is the established club out that way. I did hear some (possibly tall) tale that the club was formed to procure a supply of All-Ireland final tickets!
There have of course been a few mergers. Foilmore to Ballinskelligs is a fair enough distance to cover.
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Post by ballynamona on Oct 31, 2015 22:18:56 GMT
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Post by givehimaball on Nov 1, 2015 13:16:48 GMT
There was a club called Gale Rangers near Listowel. They are the only recently defunct club I can think of. I don't know much about them. I don't think they were around for long. Ballydonoghue is the established club out that way. I did hear some (possibly tall) tale that the club was formed to procure a supply of All-Ireland final tickets!There have of course been a few mergers. Foilmore to Ballinskelligs is a fair enough distance to cover. I've heard this about both some overseas club and a rounders club - club set up with the purpose of getting All-Ireland tickets. Setting up a club in Kerry strikes me as a fairly tricky way to go about getting All-Ireland tickets. |
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Post by Ballyfireside on Nov 1, 2015 17:32:27 GMT
Gale Rangers would have been in Listowel parish, country cousins of the townies, a bit like Clounmacon, what they'd lack in catchment area they'd make up in spirit and for clubs like that to beat Listowel just the once then that alone would have made it worthwhile setting up the club, All Ireland tickets couldn't compare to it.
The Gale river separates Listowel and Ballydonoghue parishes and while they would have been along the Listowel side of the boundary, I don't think anyone would begrudge them making forays in the transfer window period.
What is interesting here though is Clubs of old existed within parishes, and won big competitions. At different times you had Ballyconry and Tullamore in Ballydonoghue parish and who both competed at a high level. Maybe others can detail how such small districts could field teams, and the evolution before and after, etc.
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Post by homerj on Nov 2, 2015 9:29:40 GMT
are knockanure still playing?
ive played against them and Gale rangers in the past, about 15 years ago so its not that long since Gale Rangers were around anyway, would have assumed Knockanure were around considering they have their own pitch.
Edit: a quick check of the north kerry website suggests that Knockanure indeed are putting teams out as they played this year in division 5 NKL.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 3, 2015 23:07:43 GMT
Jerome Conway, former chairman of County Board is currently doing some research into teams of the past and archiving team lists etc; apparently the County Board have paper lists of teams dating back to the 1920s; teams mentioned in NK , now defunct were Behins, would think this team would now be possibly St Senans & a team in Duagh parish called Islandanny- I know there was a school by that name in Duagh now a long time closed. Interestingly, a county board meeting held in Tralee in 1890 had a Knockanure delegate named in attendance.
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Post by fivenarow on Nov 4, 2015 11:50:50 GMT
There was a team called Gweesteen Rangers or something along those lines around in the 80's, I think they were a divisional team put together for the championship. I don't know who or where they were from but they did exist for a while. Does anyone know anything about them?
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 4, 2015 13:10:34 GMT
There was a team called Gweesteen Rangers or something along those lines around in the 80's, I think they were a divisional team put together for the championship. I don't know who or where they were from but they did exist for a while. Does anyone know anything about them? They were a divisional team, near Killarney. Almost certain that Listry and Kilcummin were involved, along with maybe Beaufort and Fossa. At this point, I think that Rathmore, Glenflesk etc. played in the County Champ. as Clann na nGael. |
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Post by southward on Nov 4, 2015 18:37:21 GMT
I know the thread opener is looking at recent times, but seeing as tis the season and all... The NK Championship was won in 1934 by a team called Craughdarrig and in 1944 by an outfit called An tArm.
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Post by greengold35 on Nov 4, 2015 19:18:03 GMT
I know the thread opener is looking at recent times, but seeing as tis the season and all... The NK Championship was won in 1934 by a team called Craughdarrig and in 1944 by an outfit called An tArm. The 1934 final won by Craughdarrig was in fact a walk over when Knockanure failed to show for the final; Knockanure had won the semi final beating Duagh by 0-3 to 0-2 a few weeks previously; Knockanure were to travel to Craughdarrig for the final but the transport failed to materialise- Craughdarrig later became Asdee who famously had big Jack Walsh playing for them who won 4 (?) All Ireland medals. An rArm were obviously an Army team based in Fort Shannon, Tarbert during the war who formed their own team and won the NK championship- some of them were instrumental in Shannon Rangers winning the county championship in 1942. |
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 4, 2015 19:19:47 GMT
Just been looking for a few myself. Came across a few. Roughty Rangers played in the hurling championship during the 70s and 80s i assume that was a Kenmare and Kilgarvin team? Also Na Fianna played in the football championship around this time, where were they from? Im assume they were a divisional team? Also i seen one year Iveragh and Southern Gaels both playing in the football championship. Were they both south kerry teams?
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Post by ballybunion on Nov 4, 2015 19:48:58 GMT
St Vincents in the 60's/70's,a North Kerry divisional county championship team.Broke away from North Kerry included Listowel,Moyvane,Tarbert possibly more.Interestingly what was left in North Kerry after breakaway went on and won county championship.
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 4, 2015 20:09:47 GMT
Were St. Vincents basically the same as Feale Rangers, i.e. same clubs?
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 4, 2015 20:17:37 GMT
There was a team called Gweesteen Rangers or something along those lines around in the 80's, I think they were a divisional team put together for the championship. I don't know who or where they were from but they did exist for a while. Does anyone know anything about them? They were a divisional team, near Killarney. Almost certain that Listry and Kilcummin were involved, along with maybe Beaufort and Fossa. At this point, I think that Rathmore, Glenflesk etc. played in the County Champ. as Clann na nGael. Gweestin Rangers: Fossa, Listry, Kilcummin, Firies Clann na nGael: Spa, Glenflesk, Rathmore When these combinations were playing, in the mid-1980s, Gneeveguilla were senior. Someone mentioned Na Fianna, from what I can see NaFianna were renamed as Gweestin Rangers. It seems that Eoin Rua were renamed as Clann na nGael. Eoin Rua was in honour of Eoin Rua Ó Suilleabháin, a Sliabh Luachra poet. They included Gneeveguilla. Southern Gaels were formed in 1979, and were comprised of Waterville, Dromid, Sneem and Derrynane. At this point, the other South Kerry team in the Championship were Iveragh. This did not last long, and they were back as South Kerry in 1980, and of course South Kerry won the Co. Champ in 1981 and 1982. Na hAghasaigh are another former divisional outfit, from West Kerry. They made their debut in 1972. This was Gaeltacht, Lispole and Dingle. They lost the County Final to Stacks in 1973 (Stack's first win since 1936) and won Comartas Peile na Gaeltachta in 1974. At this stage it seems that the rest of West Kerry played with St. Brendans. There is a report of a team dominated by Castlegregory with one or two from Annascaul and Churchill. |
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Post by southward on Nov 4, 2015 20:33:15 GMT
Were St. Vincents basically the same as Feale Rangers, i.e. same clubs? Not quite. Feale rangers are (generally) Listowel, Finuge, Duagh, Senans, Moyvane, Clounmacon. Tarbert are part of Shannon Rangers. |
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Post by ballynamona on Nov 6, 2015 17:34:19 GMT
Jerome Conway, former chairman of County Board is currently doing some research into teams of the past and archiving team lists etc; apparently the County Board have paper lists of teams dating back to the 1920s; teams mentioned in NK , now defunct were Behins, would think this team would now be possibly St Senans & a team in Duagh parish called Islandanny- I know there was a school by that name in Duagh now a long time closed. Interestingly, a county board meeting held in Tralee in 1890 had a Knockanure delegate named in attendance. That's a really good idea. They would have records going back even further except the County Board offices were burned by the Black and Tans in 1920. Richard McElligott's book Forging the Kingdom is an excellent piece of scholarly work. He lists the teams that played in the first Co. Championship in 1889: Football Ashill Alderman Hoopers Barraduff Daniel O'Connells Brosna Castlegregory William Allens Castleisland Desmonds Irremore and Lixnaw Kenmare Daniel O'Connells Kenmare Shamrocks Killarney Dr. Crokes Killorglin Harringtons Killorglin Laune Rangers Listowel Feale Amateurs O'Brennan Tralee John Mitchels Rathmore William O'Briens Hurling Abbeydorney Ballyduff Kenmare Daniel O'Connells Kilgarvan Shamrocks Kilmoyley Robert Emmetts Ashill would appear to be the first club in Ballymac. They seem to have been renamed as Ballymacelligott Alderman Hoopers soon after, and the appendage was dropped at some stage. Alderman Hooper was an Irish Parliamentary Party member and was mentioned in Ulysses no less. O'Brennan would also be in the Ballymac area. Barraduff are a predecessor of Glenflesk. Irremore would I believe equate to St. Senans. Interesting that the Iveragh peninsula is entirely absent. I must read Dr. McElligott's book properly and may gain some insight into this. I know that South Kerry players always felt they had to struggle to get recognition from county selectors and maybe the roots of this lay in their absence from the fray in 1889. Or maybe I'm talking rubbish! |
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Post by kerryexile on Nov 6, 2015 22:37:59 GMT
Hurling territory in Kerry has ebbed and flowed over the decades but the county finals below show a selection of hurling clubs that most people never heard of.
It’s hard to imagine Banna vs Dingle (1940).
1969 Killarney 2-6 Austin Stacks 2-5
1940 Banna 5-3 Dingle 2-3
1939 Crotta O'Neill's 8-6 Shannon Rovers 6-0
1937 Kilflynn Pearses 7-1 St. Brendan's, Ardfert 3-1
1936 St. Brendan's, Ardfert 5-1 John Mitchels 1-1
1933 Lixnaw 2-1 Kilflynn 0-3
1932 Causeway 3-7 Rathmore 2-2
1928 Rock Street 4-2 Boherbee 0-2
1926 Tralee 7-7 Listowel 2-1
1925 Tralee 8-5 North Kerry 2-3
1920 Lixnaw Tralee Parnells or Kenmare GAA championship abandoned before final
1918 Tralee Parnells 1-10 Kilgarvan 4-0
1917 Tubrid bt (game abandoned) Kenmare
1916 Tullig Gamecocks 2-4 Kenmare 2-1
1914 Kilmoyley W/O Lixnaw Davis'
1911 Tralee Mitchels 5-3 Tralee Parnells 1-2
1902 Kenmare 2-2 Tralee Celtic 0-3
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 13, 2015 9:19:49 GMT
St Marys hurling club were from about the Mid Kerry area. What ever came of them? Were quite strong at Intermediate and Junior level from what i remember
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Post by homerj on Nov 15, 2015 22:25:28 GMT
Didn't Brick Rangers have 2 or 3 Kerry Seniors on the panel in early 90's?.
I gather they don't have any team now.
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Post by sidelined on Nov 15, 2015 23:20:55 GMT
Didn't Brick Rangers have 2 or 3 Kerry Seniors on the panel in early 90's?. I gather they don't have any team now. they had 4 i think conor kearney started off playing with them then transferred to laune rangers for football bernard mceillegot [sp], pat slattery and ? o connell who also played hurling with ucc and maybe won fitzgibbon with them. the year was 1990, mickey neds first year in charge got hammered by cork in puc. |
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Post by hurlingman on Nov 17, 2015 10:06:53 GMT
Didn't Brick Rangers have 2 or 3 Kerry Seniors on the panel in early 90's?. I gather they don't have any team now. I think they had 4 during on NFL campaign, about 92/93 |
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