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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 19, 2017 20:39:16 GMT
And this will only get worse with Brexit and which will put more jobs into Dublin and so attract more people there from the country. Agriculture will suffer most from Brexit and so another fatal blow for rural Ireland. Rural clubs are fighting a losing battle here and the powers that be have no interest. South Kerry is fortunate in that it has a world class tourist industry that has proven to be resilient in tough times and then we had Star Wars back whest. Tralee is getting an advance IDA building so that will also draw youth if and when anything comes of it. Parts of rural Ireland are bleak beyond belief and Kerry is no exception. If the government addressed the imbalances in society then it would help, and that is a BIG IF.
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Post by glengael on Jan 20, 2017 17:57:35 GMT
Those are fairly stark statistics alright.
At times, we don't help ourselves either. A small illustration. A good friend of mine had occasion to call South Doc GP service, as his mother was ill over the Christmas period. A house call was needed as she wasn' well enough to go into their centre. The doctor duly arrived and saw to the lady in question and thankfully, all was well.
In conversation with my friend as he was leaving, the doctor remarked 'God ye're very remote out here, I don't know how ye live at all'. The house in question is on a national primary route , 10 miles from the nearest large town. If that's remote, God help people in Portmagee or Lauragh or Ballyferriter.
I realise that's only one person's view but if that's in any way indicative of the narrative that goes on in medical circles, it's no wonder things are as bad as regards services. Ideas like that can eventually spread into policy which ultimately affects what services are provided for people and how easy they are to access , depending on where you live......
(And before asks the doctor who made that comment is from Kerry and has to the best of my knowledge lived and worked here most of their life).
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Post by Annascaultilidie on Jan 21, 2017 0:08:11 GMT
Ballyferriter is seven miles from Dingle which has reasonable medical facilities.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Jan 21, 2017 4:19:15 GMT
Those are fairly stark statistics alright. At times, we don't help ourselves either. A small illustration. A good friend of mine had occasion to call South Doc GP service, as his mother was ill over the Christmas period. A house call was needed as she wasn' well enough to go into their centre. The doctor duly arrived and saw to the lady in question and thankfully, all was well. In conversation with my friend as he was leaving, the doctor remarked 'God ye're very remote out here, I don't know how ye live at all'. The house in question is on a national primary route , 10 miles from the nearest large town. If that's remote, God help people in Portmagee or Lauragh or Ballyferriter. I realise that's only one person's view but if that's in any way indicative of the narrative that goes on in medical circles, it's no wonder things are as bad as regards services. Ideas like that can eventually spread into policy which ultimately affects what services are provided for people and how easy they are to access , depending on where you live...... (And before asks the doctor who made that comment is from Kerry and has to the best of my knowledge lived and worked here most of their life). The reality is that there is only so much money and if some are paid more than they are worth and/or are on the fiddle raiding the public purse, then others will be paid less than they are worth and so there will be gaps in services. Brexit threatens to slap 50% of a tariff on agri exports from the EU to the UK, and that will hit Ireland hardest as we are the most exposed by a long way. The 40,000 job losses will be felt more so in rural Ireland and Kerry being a good farming county will suffer. Some production was already moved to the UK by Kerry Group and the other worry is that it will make more and more farms unviable, and so another blow to the rural population, and so a kick in the teeth for rural clubs. No offense to the rest of the county but North Kerry will be hit most if only because there is more good land there. Then again mountain lamb being hit will also be hard. What about fishing I wonder?
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Post by glengael on Jan 23, 2017 10:41:44 GMT
Ballyferriter is seven miles from Dingle which has reasonable medical facilities. Yes I appreciate that. But if one were were listening to people such as this doctor and didn't have much local knowledge, you would most likely think otherwise. My larger point, which maybe I should have emphasised, is that there are plenty people within Kerry who seem content and all too ready to talk down their native place. The Healy Raes and others have made hay for years berating the 'Dublin 4 and Dublin Media' for doing it but I don't think that's the full story. Yes there are stark realities about rural life to be confronted, as that Examiner report indicates. But there is no great value in others within the county creating problems where they do not exist.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Feb 2, 2017 13:23:30 GMT
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 3, 2017 16:12:09 GMT
8 fold increase in Milltown population over a decade Milltown is the fastest growing town in Kerry, the population of the town has exploded, growing from 250 to 2000 in ten years.
A meeting about the socio-economic future of Milltown took place last night.
Kerry native and lecturer on rural development in UL and Mary Immaculate College, Limerick, Dr. Brendan O’Keeffe was commissioned by Kerry County Council to undertake a socio-economic study of Milltown. Dr. O’Keeffe says the challenge for Milltown is to develop in order to meet its population’s demands. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Copied from Radio Kerry, hope I'm not infringing copyright, don't want Garda sicíni after me!
Anyone put meat on the bone (pun not intended!) as to how Milltown expanded at such a rate as other places were ravaged by emigration?
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Post by ballhopper34 on Mar 3, 2017 16:23:40 GMT
8 fold increase in Milltown population over a decadeMilltown is the fastest growing town in Kerry, the population of the town has exploded, growing from 250 to 2000 in ten years. A meeting about the socio-economic future of Milltown took place last night. Kerry native and lecturer on rural development in UL and Mary Immaculate College, Limerick, Dr. Brendan O’Keeffe was commissioned by Kerry County Council to undertake a socio-economic study of Milltown. Dr. O’Keeffe says the challenge for Milltown is to develop in order to meet its population’s demands. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Copied from Radio Kerry, hope I'm not infringing copyright, don't want Garda sicíni after me! Anyone put meat on the bone (pun not intended!) as to how Milltown expanded at such a rate as other places were ravaged by emigration? I'm sure it serves as a satellite town for Killarney - buy a house in Milltown and you will be able to buy a car for commuting and still have money left over when compared to buying a residence in Killarney. Rathmore, Glenflesk and Firies are something similar. Fossa probably too close to Killarney and already high-priced for housing. From a GAA viewpoint, these villages/small towns will be the County League Div 1 teams soon, hoping proper coaching personnel and facilities are in place to facilitate the new population.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Mar 3, 2017 16:50:32 GMT
8 fold increase in Milltown population over a decadeMilltown is the fastest growing town in Kerry, the population of the town has exploded, growing from 250 to 2000 in ten years. A meeting about the socio-economic future of Milltown took place last night. Kerry native and lecturer on rural development in UL and Mary Immaculate College, Limerick, Dr. Brendan O’Keeffe was commissioned by Kerry County Council to undertake a socio-economic study of Milltown. Dr. O’Keeffe says the challenge for Milltown is to develop in order to meet its population’s demands. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Copied from Radio Kerry, hope I'm not infringing copyright, don't want Garda sicíni after me! Anyone put meat on the bone (pun not intended!) as to how Milltown expanded at such a rate as other places were ravaged by emigration? I'm sure it serves as a satellite town for Killarney - buy a house in Milltown and you will be able to buy a car for commuting and still have money left over when compared to buying a residence in Killarney. Rathmore, Glenflesk and Firies are something similar. Fossa probably too close to Killarney and already high-priced for housing. From a GAA viewpoint, these villages/small towns will be the County League Div 1 teams soon, hoping proper coaching personnel and facilities are in place to facilitate the new population. So Killarney is growing rapidly too? Maybe it is less dependent on the UK for tourism than other regions? Rural Ireland will take a bettering here with Brexit and God help our emigrants with Uncle Sam - watching Prime Time last night I will never know how we let 'em down with all the connections we have and all the US companies here -maybe we can lever this Apple tax issue, it is the least we could do after they having to leave to earn a crust. You can't help but feel there is an 'out of sight, out of mind' aspect to it - lip service, NIMBY, etc, moreover as these characteristics are so alive in other aspects of public admin. The Editor of Irish Central had a lot to say recently about how unwelcoming Ireland is even to emigrants returning voluntarily - redoing driving tests, waiting years for health insurance - there is a long list. Shameful, moreover in the context of the GAA - the emigrants are the first 'go to' demographic when we need help, and they never let us down. Look at what they contributed for Currans, charitable while they are discriminated against, there is no more noble a gesture. And their kids may never even see it?
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Post by glengael on Mar 4, 2017 10:10:04 GMT
Miltown's reasonably central location and affordable housing has undoubtedly helped. It is suitable for travelling to Killarney, Tralee and Killorglin plus it has a good and now a brand new secondary school.
The more detailed figures from Census 2016 are out later this year. I'd expect Firies to have increased also.
Kilcummin is a huge size parish with a lot of houses built over the last say, 30 years or so some an overspill from Killarney. I would have thought they would have the numbers to be at least holding their own at the top level but they seem to have slipped back a little after a peak in the 2000's.
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 1, 2017 8:19:21 GMT
A bit on the plight of our Northern cousins from Brexit, won't help the Slaghneils of the world. Lord God but if I got as technical on the subject as Peter does here I'd be scolded -hard to beat the common touch!
Quinn: Brexit will seriously damage rural clubs in the Six Counties
Every year one billion litres of Northern Irish-produced milk is sent south for processing because there isn't the capacity to carry out that function in the Six Counties.
The relevance of such a fact is wrapped up in the consequences of Brexit and, by extension, its impact on the GAA as outlined by former president Peter Quinn in an address to a Club Tyrone gathering this week, where the UK's move to disentangle itself from the European Union was discussed.
Quinn's background is in economics and pragmatism always couched his words.
In stripping back the layers, he got to the heart of where he wanted to go. In the likely event of a 'hard' border being restored, something he sees as inevitable, the logistics of such transportation in a reconfigured Customs Union would be seriously compromised.
To build the same processing capacity in Northern Ireland would cost €100m. But that, he pointed out, is more than the entire income from farming in the same constituency, excluding grants, from 2016. There may be ways around the processing issue, he admitted, but there will be limits.
"I have a concern about the future of Irish agriculture," he warned. "And I would be worried about the dairy industry in the North."
And if agriculture faces such a threat then the GAA, inevitably, can scarcely avoid the trickle-down.
"The GAA has always had a huge rural and agricultural constituency," Quinn pointed out. "The farming community is crucial to our clubs, not just those in border areas but right across this entire island. If they suffer, our rural clubs will suffer too.
Impact "It is probably too early to be sure, but clearly Brexit has the potential to damage significant parts of rural Ireland, its clubs, the players who represent them and sustain those communities because of the impact it will have on the viability of the rural economy.
His assessment struck a sombre note for Northern Ireland and, consequently, the GAA.
It would be far, far better for the GAA in Ulster and nationally if Brexit did not occur," he said.
The economics of it lead to stark conclusions. Brexit will inevitably lead to formal or informal devaluation of sterling, he cautioned, and with that comes the certainty of big inflation.
For the GAA, that will mean higher running costs, a squeeze on big investments, higher admission costs for Ulster Championship matches, potential emigration as unemployment kicks in and a growing chasm between units North and south.
Quinn says inflation is already evident pointing to rises in the last four months; 1.2pc in November, 1.6pc in December, 1.8pc in January, 2.3pc in February.
"You don't need a ruler to project what it's going to be like in a couple of years' time," he said. "They are the highest monthly increases in several years. And it's going to continue. In my view, until it reaches double-digits at least. And I think that's a conservative estimate."
Quinn recalled the impact of the oil crisis and how it knocked 24 cent off every pound, and he can't see anything different now when the process is completed in two years' time.
"The cost of running teams and county boards will rise," he said. "But the only question will be, 'how much?' Followed in the case of the GAA, by 'how will an amateur organisation fund the rises?'."
Behind rampant inflation will be unemployment as competitiveness is lost, with emigration back in focus.
"In my view we run the risk of seeing that again in this part of Ireland," said the Fermanagh-based economist.
"Fortunately it will be much less likely in the Republic, which will be operating with a different currency. Brexit may have some effects there, but they will be on a much lower scale than what will apply in the North.
"While devaluation and inflation are virtual certainties, emigration is somewhere between possible and probable. If I was betting my money, it would be on a noticeable increase.
"For an organisation like the GAA, whose primary focus is on youth and on providing social, cultural and sporting activities and proving outlets for young people, Brexit raises the whole issue of investment in job creation."
Quinn smarted at the notion of electronic devices tracking movement across the hundreds of roads that link North and south.
"Forget all the rubbish of a soft border within the island of Ireland that Mrs May or Mr Brokenshire (NI secretary) think possible," he said.
"They haven't a clue what's likely to happen. To quote Mrs May, 'Brexit means Brexit'. Converted to what that means for people in our area, Brexit means a hard border.
"What boundary between any member country of the newly configured EU and a country which is no longer a member will involve a soft border? It won't. It's cloud cuckoo land stuff.
"We lived with it but we got used to not having to worry about that and there is going to be a culture shock if there is a hard border."
For the GAA, surviving Brexit will involve similar remedies to what worked from 1974 to '78, Quinn suggested.
"Admission prices will have to go up," he said. "That's inevitable, whether those in Dublin will see things that way or not. Secondly, and crucially, costs will have to be cut. In inflationary conditions, those who refuse to cut costs rarely survive unless they have an unique product. We in the GAA have a product that is pretty unique.
"The modern GAA is top-heavy from a cost perspective. And that is creating spending commitments, some of which may have to be broken.
"Thirdly we'll have to be very circumspect about investing. In my opinion it may be time to start shelving some investment proposals. If you want to build Casement Park, whether that's wise or unwise is a matter of opinion. Those issues will affect clubs and counties in the Six Counties and our units in Britain while having very little impact on most of the rest of Ireland. That imbalance has to be a major concern."
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Post by Mickmack on Apr 1, 2017 10:30:08 GMT
I think its southampton that has the deep sea port into which most of the goods from china and everywhere else is shipped and the stuff is then moved onwards to europe etc. Well... Foynes matches southampton it seems as regards deep sea port....it could be the new southampton apparently ....in time .....if it gets developed ....with the demise of southampton after brexit takes hold. It would be a boost to the nk area.
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Post by hatchetman on Apr 1, 2017 11:32:56 GMT
we'd probably need to build a tunnel to France to distribute the containers ... the possibilities are endless
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Post by Ballyfireside on Apr 1, 2017 16:49:13 GMT
Rotterdam might have a strategic advantage in that it is actually on mainland Europe lads.
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